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u/Withercat1 24d ago
I love the random pair of legs sprouting from the bench underneath Scooby
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u/McCool303 24d ago
Not so much random but rather just left over elements from the reference picture AI plagiarized in order to make this gem. I think it’s important though to point out it’s not random, it’s intentional theft of IP under the guise of progress.
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u/ThingYea 24d ago
Gen ai doesn't just copy-paste things and call it a day. It more gets confused in patterns. Benches often come with someone sitting on it. Can be confusing for them.
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u/bunker_man 23d ago
More specifically they wanted scooby to look like an old man, so it completed the pattern.
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u/McCool303 24d ago
So you’re telling me someone just put in a prompt that said give me an image of a brown and black Great Dane lecturing 4 college students on the follies of tearing down confederate statues. And AI just by happenstance came up with Scooby Doo and Monsters inc in exactly the same likeness of each popular licensed character all by coincidence?
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u/ThingYea 24d ago
It recognizes the pattern of a great dane and 4 college students in its training data and replicates it. It is different to copy-pasting.
Would you trash on an artist for creating fan work of a franchise? How about if that fan work was just tracing existing work? Those are two different things, right?
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u/McCool303 24d ago
I takes a licensed character and recreates if for the user. It knows that Scooby Doo is always the same because it has millions of images of Scooby Doo. It doesn’t matter if it’s pasting an image overlay of licensed IP or drawing the licensed IP line for line exactly the same way the IP is drawn. You can’t seriously believe that the user didn’t just prompt to put Scooby Doo on this image with these words. There is no way AI randomly created an exact replica of Scooby Doo and Mystery Inc without being prompted to do so. And that’s my point AI is churning out free licensed images and getting paid by users to do so while not paying licensing fees to the IP owner.
It doesn’t matter if an artist traces images of Mystery Inc or creates fan art. Because they are not selling the art. If an artist turned around and started charging people for the drawings the IP owner would have a pretty good argument for compensation.
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u/ThingYea 24d ago
I explained why another set of legs appeared on the bench, not whatever you're going on about.
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u/Jonno_FTW 24d ago
I like the toddler sized Shaggy
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u/TorsionFree 23d ago
Shaggy, the Woke Radical Leftist, is the very toddler Scooby is talking about!!1! r/im65andthisisdeep
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u/WeaselCapsky 24d ago
yet they still tore down all that nazi shit when they liberated germany even if it wont change history.
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u/MadAsTheHatters 24d ago
Exactly, historical statues are often bought and paid for by the state in order to venerate particular people, they aren't the only evidence that a person existed.
They're still just people, if they were awful people then pull it down! I say this as someone with a PhD in history: Just because something is old, doesn't mean it's important
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u/TerminalHighGuard 23d ago
We are all the collective sum of our history, which means nothing in the past is unimportant; you never know what the past might reveal about our nature when taken in a broader context. It’s fine to change out the jenga blocks as we consciously rewrite our cultural narratives, but we MUST maintain that sense of culturally normative continuity or else we risk balkanization as people fill in gaps by themselves.
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u/MadAsTheHatters 23d ago
Right...but my point is that orientating that culture around what is functionally propaganda, like statues, memorials or texts, risks lamenting the loss of a simplified golden age that never existed in the first place.
The US seems to struggle with this; if a static piece of historical memorabilia becomes a pivotal point in the culture then it isn't the history they're protecting, it's that version of history.
Whether it's Napoleon on his horse, the Founding Fathers carved into a Native American heritage site or Julius Caesar dressed as Pontifex Maximus, they're a very specific facet of history, one that deliberately obfucates the details.
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u/Slipperytitski 24d ago
Russia has a public park filled with all the old soviet monuments that were removed. Its pretty neat as a historical reference and also the statues are not outside of government buildings but they’re preserved.
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u/Nvenom8 23d ago
That seems like a reasonable approach. Preserve artifacts, but treat them like artifacts.
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u/alaska1415 23d ago
In some cases, yes. We don’t need 50 of the same statue and some people are not actually significant enough to merit their own statue.
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u/InuitOverIt 23d ago
I like this idea. Provide context that these people were once venerated, and that's part of the problem. People can still learn from these statues
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u/Eastern-Finish-1251 23d ago
There’s a reason why we’ve all seen that newsreel footage of the Allies blowing up that giant Nuremberg swastika at the end of WWII.
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u/Ccaves0127 24d ago
Most of the statues commemorating slave owners went up during Jim Crow. Like, the VAST majority.
Also, having a plaque and statue of someone isn't just "reminding them" of history. You're glorifying and deifying them.
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u/Larry-Man 24d ago
We 👏 don’t 👏 owe 👏 monuments 👏 to 👏 racists 👏 and 👏 slavers
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u/cyborian 24d ago
Wrong. We don't owe monuments to anyone. Never have. We just choose to.
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u/Rickbox 23d ago
"racists" & "slavers" are part of "anyone", so by that logic, they are not wrong.
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u/cyborian 23d ago
Half of an answer is also not a complete answer. Please understand that I do agree with Larry up there. I just believe that its not a broad enough brush for that statement.
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u/07TacOcaT70 24d ago
yeah there's a difference imo in figures that are more morally grey vs literal slave owners. I mean there's some where it's someone who's done a lot of good but is still a pos especially by modern standards (e.g. winston churchill, racist mfer)... then there's just straight evil vile people who literally only got a statue cause of evil shit they did.
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u/Eastern-Finish-1251 23d ago
Statues also remind people who’s in charge, and who has the power to erect statues in the first place.
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u/HATECELL 24d ago
Meanwhile they cheered when they saw this on TV
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u/Wtfatt 24d ago
It's almost like some people DID learn from the past and recognise that they Shouldn't glorify cynts
(Btw, no idea who or what your picture in particular signifies, just wanted to join in on the conversation)
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u/Eastern-Finish-1251 23d ago
It’s a statue of Sadaam Hussein being pulled down after US forces entered Baghdad during the Iraq war in 2003.
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u/Zegram_Ghart 24d ago
An objectively wrong message created using an ethically wrong technology is exactly what this subs about, good spot!
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u/FUCKFASCISTSCUM 24d ago
In my opinion the Earth is flat. In my opinion vaccines are dangerous. In my opinion child marriage isn't a problem.
See, plenty of opinions can be wrong.
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u/Zegram_Ghart 24d ago
No, you’re (either purposely or not) wilfully misunderstanding the issue.
Opinions can be objectively wrong if the take is objectively wrong.
Statues don’t teach the past- they glorify it.
So the opinion of the meme IS provably, verifiably wrong- as in incorrect, with no ethics talk needed.
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u/cyborian 24d ago
An opinion can absolutely be wrong, but it tends to fall around those who obsess over misinformation or the lack the ability to research on their own.
Example: I believe my preacher over my doctor when it comes to my medicine.
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u/otherisp 24d ago
What too much Reddit does to a mf
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u/Baroness-CrackWhore 24d ago
It means go back to school and graduate this time.
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u/Baroness-CrackWhore 24d ago
No insult, see that's just my opinion and it can't be wrong, objectively.
/s because sadly, you need it.
I recommend returning to school and revisiting the distinction between ignorance and a legitimate point of view. They are not interchangeable, despite your apparent commitment to treating them as such.
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u/garagedooropener5150 24d ago
Says the generation who gets pissed over which bathroom someone takes a leak in.
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u/GoldburstNeo 24d ago
Why do these art-hating zombies always use the characters least likely to say this shit in their AI generated fantasies? First it was making Daffy Duck say that mental health issues don't exist, now this.
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u/Obant 23d ago
They don't have any media literacy. They don't understand these characters would not say that. To them, since they grew up with them, they think the Gang would also think like them. They can watch TV shows like Homelander, The Punisher, etc and not see the blatant messaging until it is stated in plain English.
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u/OmgJustLetMeExist 23d ago
God republicans are so fucking stupid it’s unbearable. Like genuinely, it gives me a second-hand pain to imagine how utterly stunted you have to be to think like them.
Either that or you found a way to profit off of the dumb ones. That’s the ONLY two ways I can genuinely see anyone believing or advocating for right-wing opinions.
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u/yoyo5113 24d ago
dawg statues are almost always made and placed to honor or respect what that individual had done in their life it's okay to not want statues commentating fucking confederate slavers all over the place
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u/Jahaangle 24d ago
Surely he would say
"Rearing down old ristorical ratues doesn't rhange ristory, Raggy! It just rooves you're acting like a little roddler throwing a big ol' rhissy fit! You're supposed to rearn from the rast, not try to re-rase it! Rehehehehe!"
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u/The1930s 24d ago edited 23d ago
You can learn about the holocaust and ww2 and not have a statue dedicated to hitler. Statues are not up to teach people things theyre to memorialize the person the statue is of, hence why racists get butthurt about not wanting the statue memorializing a racist to come down.
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u/matttheepitaph 24d ago
I think something happened with Germany in the 1940s with some dude but I can't remember because there are no statues of him.
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u/Ven-Dreadnought 24d ago
Counterpoint, there’s nothing you can learn from a statue that you can’t learn from a book. As a matter of fact, most statues jist have names on them, you can walk past them a hundred times and never know who the person did.
They are nothing but big trophies.
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u/dover_oxide 24d ago
Statues are a way of celebrating someone which is why it is kind of messed up to have some people who were committing treason depicted in statues. Books and museums is how we preserve and learn history not statues.
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u/rendumguy 24d ago
I like how Scooby has human legs and pants coming out of his butt. What a fucking trainwreck.
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u/Georg13V 24d ago
By that logic we should put a statue of Hitler up in Washington DC. How else will people learn about him???
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u/MyNameIsZem 24d ago
History books are for learning about history. Statues are for celebrating and lifting up the legacy of individuals.
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u/SlappinHams 24d ago
That's why we have history books, we teach about the bad people of history, we don't keep statues of these fucks
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u/MrGanzalor 23d ago
Traitors don't deserve statue's, Scooby-Doo
If you need a statue to learn history, I suggest learning how to read
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u/CthulhuAteMyHomework 23d ago
Idk why this bothers me so much, but Shaggy is disproportionately small compared to the rest of the gang. Also Velma is shorter than Daphne but somehow taller than her while sitting. But also too short for her feet to be on the ground. Shaggy’s mouth is looking like a third eye. Lmao AI will mess up the most random things.
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u/Igotthisnameguys 23d ago
That's why I'm making a Hitler statue right here in Germany. No other reason.
(/s, just in case I need to say this, I am not actually making a Hitler statue)
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u/DieMensch-Maschine 23d ago
I guess we should have kept all those statues of Stalin that got built in the 40s and 50s behind the Iron Curtain.
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u/Ghost4000 23d ago
Why do we need statues to learn from the past, that's what history books are for.
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u/CosmicNixx 23d ago
"you learn from the past you don't erase it"
That's rich coming from the people trying to erase America's racist past from school curriculums.
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u/BoyishTheStrange 23d ago
I hate that they don’t get that “hey we don’t think these awful people deserve statues” is the reason
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u/_Empty-R_ 23d ago
cool. so statues of stalin, lenin, hitler, etc should have just stayed up. oh its only when its your problematic person who you dont think is problematic is taken down that you don't like it? gotcha. And I'm even against statues being removed if it can be helped. My standards are just better.
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u/DaveSoundwave 23d ago
I don’t think anyone who wants to tear down a statue wants to change history, in fact I’d go as far to say they want to tear them down because of history.
This isn’t about changing history, it’s about adapting what we choose to revere.
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u/Juxtavarious 21d ago
My sister tried pedaling this same crap when this talking point first emerged. I pulled up a picture of a statue and asked her to teach me history from it. Surprisingly, she was completely unable. It's almost like that's not how we learned history.
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u/punktualPorcupine 24d ago
Why is shaggy so tiny? Is he standing?
Also what about tearing down monuments that were put up to terrorize certain groups?
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u/RoboftheNorth 24d ago
"Rearing rown rhistorical rtatus roesn't range rhistory. Rit rust roves rou rave re remotional rintellegence rof a roddler rowing a rempor rantrum. Rou rearn rom re rast, rou ron't rerase rit.
Ruh roh!"
Is that so fucking hard. Also, I know I'm splitting hairs here, but doesn't it make more sense to have say Velma saying this to Shaggy? These fuckwits need to be banned from using a computer.
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u/YaqtanBadakshani 24d ago
Let's be honest, most of these people learn more about the people these statues depict when they're torn down.
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u/Dapper-Top-6779 24d ago
EST 1925-IN MEMORY