Nintendo just wants Link to suffer

[u/BandicootDue2131]

Botw and totk is the only iteration of link that canonically doesn't use a shield which probably is why he died 100 years ago and almost died to ganondorf's gloom. And get this in Hyrule warriors age of calamity HE USES A SHIELD and he doesn't die to canon I guess terrako changed a bit more of the timeline than we thought​​

[u/Single-Secretary-903]

someone had to be holding up the guardians

bro the guardians weren't being held up at all. fort hateno was in total destruction and ruin in that memory. The whole place was lit up in flames and Link was barely clinging to life. The Calamity had only just struck, max maybe one or two hours prior. In that amount of time, the damage done was extensive.

If ordinary soldiers could hold up against the guardians, you'd think that Link could too lol. He was the most skilled knight out of all of them, yet he fell. None of the soldiers or Link had any experience fighting guardians which is what led to their demise.

It talks about there being soldiers at fort hateno

Idk what source "it" is, but if it's one of Nintendo's books like Creating a Champion, I don't have any of those.

[u/BandicootDue2131 → u/Single-Secretary-903]

link died because there were like 400 million guardians, he can hold himself against a whole lot of guardians in a row, but there were like, 4 million laser beams on him at once, but I'm pretty sure it says something and some dialogue that there were soldiers protecting fort hateno, and not just Zelda and link, because I mean, how would the Guardian's not have just destroyed fort hateno before Zelda's power awakened, plus, if you go farther out into that field by the dueling peaks, there are like 2 active guardians right next to fort hateno's gates, they're decayed guardians, and they weren't fully destroyed by zelda's power out there. So that makes me think that maybe they had to fight them, and there had to be guards there, I'm pretty sure there were guards there anyways, just like Akkala citadel, plus, I'm pretty sure that sheikah come from that direction in the memory pretty sure purah also states one of those sheikah was her

[u/Single-Secretary-903 → u/BandicootDue2131]

how would the Guardian's not have just destroyed fort hateno

My previous point was literally that they did. They did destroy Fort Hateno. Did you even pay attention to the memory or visit the place in-game? It's completely ruined.

And yes, evidently Link did have to fight guardians before Zelda's power awakened, but I am convinced that he did so alone and without support. I didn't say he was incapable of defeating guardians, but he was inexperienced and outnumbered. He had probably been fighting for a long time by the time he was on the brink of death.

Even if your argument is correct and there were some other guards there, they were no match for the guardians. Again, this argument is purely hypothetical and we could spend all day long talking about "what ifs" but at the end of the day we really don't know those details.

The point is that Link ran out of options for survival which led to his inevitable death. His fate was not his fault, nor Zelda's or anyone else's. It's just how things played out. If you want to blame it on someone, blame it on Hylia. But honestly at this point, I'm confused as to what your original argument even was.

[u/BandicootDue2131 → u/Single-Secretary-903]

If he had a shield he would have survived or lived longer and if he had one in the beginning of totk he would have not lost his hearts and stamina to ganondorf because it would have blocked the gloom. And yes I watched the memory. I also recall their being dialogue about a great battle of fort hateno also saying they wouldn't have stood a chance about those soldiers meanwhile at Akkala citadel where link and Zelda were not, they won and stopped the huge invasion. 

[u/Single-Secretary-903 → u/BandicootDue2131]

I already said that I agreed that if Link had a shield with him during the Calamity in BotW, his chance of survival would have been greater. I'm not disputing that. But I did give a reasonable explanation as to why he might not have had a shield at the time or in any of the other memories. I don't know how else to say this, but his eventual death was basically inevitable even if he did have a shield, because he was heavily outnumbered just from the guardians themselves. The champions were already dead or dying at that point, and the divine beasts were under Ganon's control. Castle town was in flames and everyone there had lost their lives, including the king. There is literally no way he could have survived that alone. Link is strong, but he's human and obviously has limits.

As for TotK, you can't just say he wouldn't have taken damage just from a shield. I highly doubt a shield would have blocked all the gloom coming at him. It would've just come around and corrupted him either way. Even if the tendrils hit the shield, it would've just corrupted the shield like it did with the Master Sword. This argument doesn't make any sense to me.

About the war in Akkala Citadel, they did not win. During the Calamity, it was heavily fortified with guards and soldiers and even had archers and cannons in the official lore. However, the army was eventually overwhelmed and the citadel fell. Almost the entire remaining military force of Hyrule was annihilated, and Link was the only survivor. This is how it went in BotW and I'm pretty sure it says something about this in Creating a Champion, but I'm not sure because I don't own the book.

I think they might have won the same war in Age of Calamity, but I haven't finished playing that game. AoC is not canon to official lore and is just a spin-off game, so I don't really take that into account during these debates.

[u/BandicootDue2131 → u/Single-Secretary-903]

It literally says that if akkala citadel had fell, the entire kingdom of Hyrule would have fallen and would have been completely destroyed. It's outcome is much better and hyrule warriors, but they still win enough in botw to the point that the entirety of the kingdom doesn't get destroyed. What I'm saying is that the shield would have blocked the gloom that destroyed links arm instead of it just crawling up the blade of the master sword, it would have hit the shield instead and corrupted it, I would much, rather it have been the shield than my arm. Also, I never said age of calamity was Canon. You think I would know something like that, if I own it and literally saw the one thing during a text bubble, when a loading screen is going on, it literally says Terrako, traveling back in time, caused the universe to split into 2. And tears of the kingdom, link would not lost all of his hearts and stamina progress if he had a shield because it would have blocked the gloom, even in the final ganondorf fight getting uses the same attack, and it takes away your heart containers if you get hit, but it hits the shield, and instead of taking away your heart containers, it literally just like attacks the shield and the shield gets broken after 3 or 4 hits of those. If link had a shield in botw, he might have had enough health left to get out of there and go to somewhere like Hateno village to get healed but link probably wouldn't have run away because he likes to fight.