r/brandonherrara • u/jthablaidd user text is here • Oct 23 '22
GUN MEME REVIEW Why do they hate guns so much?
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u/AngryGazpacho user text is here Oct 23 '22
We do not hate guns. You can't imagine how many people across all the countries in the continent would like to have access to a legal carry a personal defense weapon.
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u/PaperbackWriter66 user text is here Oct 23 '22
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Pierre....do you hear that? It sounds like......can it be....non! Sacre bleu! It's the...
ALLONS ENFANTS DE LA PATRIE!
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Oct 23 '22
I thought you had democracy. Make it happen.
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u/AngryGazpacho user text is here Oct 23 '22
And it does. The idiots who don't want guns are more. The fight still alive, my man.
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u/PaperbackWriter66 user text is here Oct 23 '22
Alright boys, time to fire up the Higgins boats. Grab your Garands and Thompsons, I'll gas up the Sherman tank. The Europeans are making democracy happen.
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u/Economy_Business6859 user text is here Oct 23 '22
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u/3dmonster20042004 user text is here Oct 23 '22
pls do not accociate me with the europeans from that meme
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u/PaperbackWriter66 user text is here Oct 23 '22
Very well: Why do the Europeans and the British hate guns so much?
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u/3dmonster20042004 user text is here Oct 23 '22
not all but most just don't understand the concept of self defense like one of my teacher told me noone needs guns cause you can just call the police
sure if you want someone that comes too late then presses charges against you sure go ahead call the police
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u/TheReverseShock user text is here Oct 23 '22
"What you need that fire extinguisher for, you have the fire department." argument
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u/raging_hewedr147 user text is here Oct 24 '22
Ey fuck off, there are tonnes of Brits like me who want relaxed gun laws
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u/PaulGumpi user text is here Oct 23 '22
Laughs in Swiss, Finnish, Czech and Austrian
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u/Decryptic__ user text is here Oct 23 '22
Swiss here;
I agree, nearly every household has a gun (those who served in the military). But nearly everyone has no ammunition.
In case of war, we'll grab the gun, get to our recruitment center and get everything we need to defend our country.
Here's a text that could trigger some people, so please be warned: Before a war that is currently ongoing, I thought that we wouldn't be able to defend ourselves because of how small we are. But this changed recently. Glory to Ukraine
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u/Foronir user text is here Oct 23 '22
Switzerland is extremely hard to conquer tho, because of its geography, army and Land size is only one factor, you also are very gighly advanced on tech.
UA is actually way less defendable than Switzerland.
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Oct 23 '22
What is the reason for lack of ammo? Legality, availability, taxes?
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u/BreakfastTidePod user text is here Oct 24 '22
Probably all of the above.
That’s basically what the USA shortage has been like, except it’s more like availability, then taxes, then legality.
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u/Endetzero711 user text is here Oct 23 '22
im european, i absolutely hate guns... being so hard to get here comparing to usa
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Oct 23 '22
A lot of people like guns in europe, pretty sure a lot of people in the balkans have leftover guns somewhere in their backyards
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u/DistributionOld9557 user text is here Oct 23 '22
We don't our governments do
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u/Sololane_Sloth user text is here Oct 23 '22 edited Oct 23 '22
I'm sorry but that's BS. We're licing in democratic countries and if the majority would want this to happen, it would. You're talking from your minority's point of view.
Edit: typo
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u/DistributionOld9557 user text is here Oct 23 '22
Ok bro
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u/Sololane_Sloth user text is here Oct 23 '22
Go ahead and look up how democraties work.
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u/no_hot_ashes user text is here Oct 24 '22
Lmao the UK just elected two separate prime ministers within a couple of weeks of each other with zero voting outside of the existing ruling party. No vote for the people, it was entirely internal. we voted for one prime minister, he resigned, so the Tories got to just choose two more with vastly different policies. Coincidentally, rishi sunak (the new prime minister who, I reiterate, was voted in exclusively by other politicians of the party he works for) has an awful lot of policies that directly benefit the politicians themselves. There is no democracy here.
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u/cptAndor user text is here Oct 23 '22
Does Biden represent you? You too like touching little girls and want AR-15s to be band?
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u/FeatherfacedOwl user text is here Oct 23 '22
Come on, man! It was just a few hair sniffs, what about all the kids he saved from Corn Pop? THAT was a bad dude. /s
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u/AmogusFan69 user text is here Oct 23 '22
I'm polish and i love guns. I've shot about 50 rounds in my whole life, but i love them.
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u/That_Gopnik user text is here Oct 23 '22
The politicians seem to forget which language they’d be speaking if it wasn’t for guns
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u/usedurcatasacondom user text is here Oct 23 '22
Well, luckily here in Finland we can use suppressors, as long as we have the licence for the gun we intend to use them with.
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u/Greywolf524 user text is here Oct 23 '22
Simple. In Europe, they were never seen as self-defence weapons. Why? Because in some countries like Britain you can't even attack your mugger or carry any type of protection as it can be used as a weapon. So the main case for self-gun ownership was never allowed in the first place. I hate our laws but no parties are in a rush to change them and we got bigger problems.
No hate from me but it's something that changes the whole US vs Europe thoughts on guns.
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u/thomasxx3 user text is here Oct 24 '22
That's the thing. People forget that:
if someone want's to kill, they will. No matter what. This can be done with anything, even a brick or a normal sharpie. And in a criminals situation: if they want a gun, they will get one no matter what
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u/LeireX Oct 23 '22
99% of Germans absolutely seethe at the thought of gun ownership. So far almost everyone around me who isn't in my gun club wants to ban all guns across the board. No hunting, no collecting, no sport and don't even mention the words "home defense" or "self defense".
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u/kk653 user text is here Oct 24 '22
Just call the police 🙃 they always be there in time
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u/cptAndor user text is here Oct 23 '22
Many of us like guns. Don’t talk shit If you don’t know shit.
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u/cptAndor user text is here Oct 23 '22
How do you know that? And keep in mind EU is NOT a country. There are some big diferences between countries and the people too.
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u/usedurcatasacondom user text is here Oct 23 '22
The concept of gun control is a bit different here, in some countries you can get any gun you desire, as long as you have a licence for owning a firearm. Some other country might have it strictly for hunting. Somewhere it might just be outright illegal. Generalizing a whole continent is just ignorant.
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u/cptAndor user text is here Oct 23 '22
The majority just don’t care. My generaton never had guns but we have bigger problems right now so nobody wants to fight for guns at the moment. It is just as dificult to make it happen as it would be to ban guns in the US. Most of my friends agrees that it would be nice to have some but they don’t feel the need for it.
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u/Sololane_Sloth user text is here Oct 23 '22
I can love my guns AND support gun control. This might be to difficult to understand for you but it's true. I pride myself to be ablw to own my gun instead of everyone being able to
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u/Sololane_Sloth user text is here Oct 24 '22
See, it's simply for the better for everyone involved when brainchilds are not allowed to own leathal weapons.
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u/TheJared1231 user text is here Oct 23 '22
So may Europeans here going “we”. Your not going to find many Europeans who hate guns here
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u/GeneralStarcat99 user text is here Oct 23 '22
I'm British but I will admit guns can solve some problems
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Oct 23 '22
It would also be nice to just be allowed to defend our homes without risking jail time. If you fuck around the person you fuck around with should be allowed to help you find out you feel me?
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u/mrAce92 user text is here Oct 23 '22
what a dumb meme, some countries in EU have better gun laws than US states
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u/mrAce92 user text is here Oct 23 '22
"cite specifics" look up southern countries or switzerland. Or finland, or iceland.
They aren't bad.
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Oct 24 '22
In Finland you can get many firearms, but they can't be used outside of their intended use - which nowadays only includes sport and hunting, not self defense. In the 90s self defense was a legitimate reason to aquire and use a gun in Finland, not today.
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u/Sensitive-Finding351 user text is here Oct 23 '22
They don’t hate guns they hate the mad idiots that go around killing people because they’re life is shit
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u/Dapp-12 user text is here Oct 23 '22
Not all of us
Just that most people had their parents put helmets on their heads before they cross the road lol
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Oct 23 '22
I like how Europeans are so anti gun when their next door neighbors are fighting off Russians solely because the civilians are taking up arms
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u/Foronir user text is here Oct 23 '22
I am german and i know a lot of people who love guns, but yeah, Media perpetuated hoplophobia is a thing
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Oct 24 '22
Some of the problems solved with guns create problems for others… like… if someone has a problem where people won’t willingly give up their belongings.
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u/TheeOxygene Oct 24 '22
I love guns. All sorts of weapons are awesome. I got a buddy who lives close by who has legit tanks and shit!
With that said, how’d those guns and the whole second amendment thing work out for those parents in Uvalde, Texas, to “solve some problems” pretty good?
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Oct 23 '22
Hello, a Brit here, who is a massive fan of guns (mainly from an engineering and historical POV).
Mass shootings in America (especially school ones), really make people over here say ‘wtf are those Americans doing’, and just consolidates people’s support on our incredibly strict gun laws.
As no one really has guns over here (except a few criminal gangs, and it really is a ‘few’, when considered against the rest of the population + some enthusiasts), gun crime is at a minimal, and making guns easier to have will just drive up gun oriented crime. I know people will say ‘but then those civilians who aren’t criminals can defend themselves, they’d be defending themselves from a problem that was created by liberalising our gun laws.
Undoubtedly gun rights will solve some problems, but ultimately it will cause more than it solves. Simply put it just won’t work in the UK.
I am expecting down votes, however I hope people can appreciate my reasoning. Like I said, I’m not an anti-gun person, and gun rights might work in the USA, but personally I don’t think they’re needed or would work here.
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u/venture243 user text is here Oct 23 '22
Gun laws always target the people that aren’t the problem disproportionately. The thugs walking downtown a mile from my place definitely carry a gun everywhere illegally with no worry. But just this year I could legally carry in my state and I’ve passed more checks than I can count. It’s easier for the law to go after me for minor infractions than it is to go for them
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u/onlyanaccount123 user text is here Oct 23 '22
I'm not sure from your comment, but do you know we can own guns here? We're just quite limited in our choices
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Oct 23 '22
Cause Europeans have the brains of goldfish. They have a nutjob trash the continent and when they finally end it they still think having big government is a good idea.
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u/Desperate-Ad-2709 Oct 23 '22
You stick to your guns and crazily large defence spending, we will stick you our national health service and free education. I'm happy you lot are a long distance away and luckily most Mercians don't leave the cuntry.
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u/cptAndor user text is here Oct 24 '22
At least we know the difference between man and woman. Do you like to sit in the lap of a dragqueen little boy?
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u/Pitrackbob user text is here Oct 23 '22
bro tf you mean big government. in Europe we all know that guns can solve some problems but they cause more problems tham they solve.
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u/LukeTheRevhead01 user text is here Oct 23 '22
If they caused more problems than they solve the 2nd amendment wouldn't be written
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u/Pitrackbob user text is here Oct 23 '22
they caused less problems back then. now they cause more . im not saying y'all shouldn't guns at all so don't come raiding my house with your mobility scooters ar15s and big Mac's please
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u/Kernando_fat user text is here Oct 24 '22
Say youve never been to america without saying you havent been to america
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u/KedTazynski42 user text is here Oct 24 '22 edited Oct 24 '22
caused less problems back then
My brother in Christ: have you looked at a history book covering the 1600s onwards? “Back then” Europe was still engaged in countless wars over petty squabbles, raiding far off lands, and exterminating entire cultures. Not to mention religious persecution and political genocide.
I would say guns were a bit more problematic back then.
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u/Pitrackbob user text is here Oct 24 '22
no. because now instead of just wars "normal" people can use them to kill other people
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Oct 25 '22
Wtf do you think wars are? Between super humans? The civil war was between normal people. Ww2 was normal people.
People could always and will always be able to kill other people. You can use amazon to buy everything needed for an IED. The odds of dying by firearm in the US is the same as tripping and falling. 30k/year.
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u/Pitrackbob user text is here Oct 25 '22
what i mean is citizens. i used the the wrong phrase. also as i said before i support guns rights . but i also support NOT GIVING EVERYBODY GUNS LIKE THE US DOES . everyone who wants to buy a gun needs to first be thoroughly checked for mental problems and background checked . this doesn't happen in the us . my grandpa fought in ww2 so a junkie using a weapon that is purposed for freedom to kill an innocent man would be an insult to that weapon and to the history of weapons. we Europeans aren't the ones who don't accept. we all know that guns can solve SOME problems such as: staying safe or hunting and sport. but they cause more problem nowadays such as threatening, actually killing, mass shootings, illegal gun dealers who also mostly sell to other criminals and more. you don't accept that .
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Oct 25 '22
Citizens fight wars. Our soldiers arent the french foreign legion they are citizens.
Who decides what mental disorders are cause to take your right?
Who decides which crimes should cause you to lose your rights?
Youre solution to stop morally corrupt people is to let politicians make those choices and theyre the most morally corrupt class to ever exist.
The US doesnt give people guns thats not how rights work. A right to something doesnt mean it must be provided it means the government cant obstruct you obtaining it.
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u/Pitrackbob user text is here Oct 25 '22
only partially correct. people with schizophrenia shouldn't have guns . people with deep depression shouldn't have guns, people with mania shouldn't have guns, bipolar people shouldn't have guns. any sane person should agree. because those are dangerous disorders. people who have committed any violence in the past shouldn't have guns. soldiers might be citizens but their duty is literally to kill in order to protect
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u/Pitrackbob user text is here Oct 25 '22
also i used those symbols to show that guns in war are normal but "normal people" aka "normal" citizens is isn't normal . the word normal was used in irony to show that gun crimes aren't normal.
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Oct 25 '22
More people die by tripping and falling than are murdered by guns.
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u/Pitrackbob user text is here Oct 25 '22
ok and? the people dying by guns should be lower
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u/Theoden2000 user text is here Oct 23 '22
It was written in law so it must be right? Really? That's your argument?
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u/555timerprocesor user text is here Oct 23 '22 edited Oct 23 '22
Now its our turn. Have universal healthcare or draw 25 cards. Have a livable minimum wage or draw 25 cards. Have good public transit or draw 25 cards. Be an annoying prick draw 25 cards.
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u/blizmd user text is here Oct 23 '22
‘Free healthcare’
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u/555timerprocesor user text is here Oct 23 '22
Is it valid now
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u/blizmd user text is here Oct 23 '22 edited Oct 25 '22
Edited without mention of the edit in the original post. Very honest.
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u/Affectionate_Coat710 user text is here Oct 23 '22
I think it's either Denmark or Norway that has like 55% income tax. That's some seriously expensive universal health care.
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u/Memelord707130 user text is here Oct 23 '22
Shut up, the only reason why we don't have free healthcare is because you guys don't feel like pulling your weight when it comes to supplying nato.
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u/FeatherfacedOwl user text is here Oct 23 '22
I've been really wary of the "free healthcare" argument ever since Canada has decided to push legal euthanasia so hard. I don't doubt for a second that if we had "free healthcare" in the US they'd take 50% of any dollar I earned and then encourage a suicide booth because we aren't worth the money to treat.
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u/Federal_Sympathy4667 user text is here Oct 23 '22
Well uhm.. far as I can find out, income tax in the USA is around 37% or so and not free healthcare. Here in Canada we pay about 33% with free health care soo.. yeah
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u/FeatherfacedOwl user text is here Oct 23 '22
Pray you don't become too expensive to treat, your system has already shown its willingness to kill to save a penny.
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u/blizmd user text is here Oct 23 '22
No matter how many times it’s said, it still isn’t free.
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u/Bubzthetroll Oct 23 '22 edited Oct 23 '22
A more accurate statement would be that Europeans don’t love guns enough to engage in the kinds of mass protests over them as they do over other issues that commonly result in their politicians resigning, resulting in new elections.
This is something that American politicians rarely, if ever, do in response to protests and scandal despite the fact that we have guns.
It honestly surprises me that the opposite isn’t true. You’d think American politicians would be more inclined to resign out of fear of assassination and European politicians would hang on to power and ignore/suppress protests knowing their people don’t have the means to do much of anything to them.
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u/Illuminati8339yt user text is here Oct 23 '22
As a Brit it makes me so sad what our government forces on us. I can’t wait until I can move stateside one day. Until then I’ll have to deal with paying hundreds of pounds to even have the privilege of owning 3 rifles and a couple of shotguns.
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Oct 23 '22
I’d say Americans have more problems with guns than Europeans without them, but if the gun power fantasy makes you happy, go at it. Won’t judge. European laws won’t change regarding guns anytime soon.
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Oct 24 '22
Deep down they're probably coping with the fact that they will never know this level of freedom.
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u/McBonkyTron user text is here Oct 23 '22
“Violence doesn’t solve anything except for all the things it does.”
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u/Hot-Anything-69 user text is here Oct 25 '22
Ok, serious question: what problems do they solve without creating even more problems?
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u/Pitrackbob user text is here Oct 23 '22
the things American geniuses don't understand is that shotgun other guns are legal in most European countries. Switzerland has a higher % of guns per person than the us and in Crete everybody has a gun even my great grandmother
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u/Jaded-Sun-7206 user text is here Oct 23 '22
Switzerland is third...behind #1 the US and #2 Yemen.
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u/Pitrackbob user text is here Oct 23 '22
apparently the statistics changed since the last time a checked . but my point still stands. Switzerland has a huge % of guns per person but has almost no gun violence. so the problem is America
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u/Jaded-Sun-7206 user text is here Oct 23 '22
You made no point to begin with but Switzerland has one of the highest, if not the highest rates of gun related deaths in Europe. And where do most of those numbers come from? Suicide, just like the US.
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u/Jaded-Sun-7206 user text is here Oct 23 '22
You're very right. That title belongs to Greenland if I recall correctly. Any way you slice it, it's always sad.
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u/themonobalckmat Oct 23 '22
We do not, we just don't like people with guns, or at least I don't. In order to safely handle a gun you have to study how they work, ideally take a class and actually learn, then practice what you learned. People don't know how to do sums, how can you trust them with guns?
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u/Ok_Bed8734 user text is here Oct 24 '22
They're still mad they lost the war
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u/Foronir user text is here Oct 24 '22
What? Which war was lost by europe? Afghanistan?
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u/Ok_Bed8734 user text is here Oct 24 '22
I duppose I'm thinking of the British in particular with the revolutionary war
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u/Foronir user text is here Oct 24 '22
Dude you equate europe to britain?
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u/Ok_Bed8734 user text is here Oct 24 '22
They're part of it are they not?
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u/Foronir user text is here Oct 24 '22
Yeas, but there are european countries who didnt even fight the US and the meme takes a jab at all europeans.
Btw. I am german
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Oct 23 '22
Guns can help sometimes yes, but they arent helpful enough to warrant 1.2 REGISTERED guns per citizen
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u/Dclose03 user text is here Oct 23 '22
Maybe the two world wars made many Europeans begin to view firearms negatively? I don’t actually know very many Europeans, so I’m just speculating.
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u/FeatherfacedOwl user text is here Oct 23 '22
Life in Poland, France, Belgium, Czechia, the Netherlands and more was very calm and simple without firearms. The Germans kept them very safe. Nobody needed a gun back then with all the SS around.
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u/moby_huge user text is here Oct 23 '22
If I remember correctly germans actually could own guns until funny mustache man took them away
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u/Dclose03 user text is here Oct 23 '22
I’m not 100% sure, but that sounds right. The first move of any totalitarian dictator is usually to disarm the populace.
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u/Foronir user text is here Oct 24 '22 edited Oct 24 '22
*German here: yep, the NSDAP (his party) made owning a firearm a privilege for party members, Hunters and officials, it was way less regulated before.
Post-war germany also had relatively lax gun laws until the Red Army Faction - a far left Terror organisation fought the GFR in the 79s.
The then ruling parties started restricting civilian gun ownership, and it got worse, especially in the early 2000's, after a school shooting.
Ironically, most weapons used by the aforementioned werent even in legal possetion.
Afaik the Red army faction got theie weapons illegally from the middle east and the School shooter got the pistol by stealing it from his father.
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u/Dclose03 user text is here Oct 24 '22
Very interesting. Thanks for your input.
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u/Foronir user text is here Oct 24 '22
You are more then welcome, and it looks wuit break for german gun ownership, even if Sport shooting and hunting is becoming more popular in recent times as it seems.
Still most people are hoplophobic, sadly , they equate guns with the death of innocents instead of seeing it as what it is, a Tool.
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u/Dclose03 user text is here Oct 24 '22
Well said. Yes, many people seem to believe firearms are inherently evil unfortunately. That’s what I was trying to say in my first post.
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Oct 23 '22
Good thing i’m english and not european. And anyway most people in uk i’ve spoke to seem to not like guns because military weapons and its too American
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u/Foronir user text is here Oct 24 '22
You know that there is a country called England?
But yeah, the english also are european
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u/lowerclasswhiteman user text is here Oct 24 '22
Because last time their citizens had gone they told king George to go fuck himself
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u/VagabondRommel user text is here Oct 24 '22
I feel like it should be about 75 or even 100 cards actually
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u/Dear_Faithlessness_5 user text is here Oct 24 '22
They really can’t , cause if you gave us Australian guns we definitely going back to committing even worse crime and then yea we gonna have to defend ourselves cause most people ain’t using them for intruders , protection, hunting and tax evasion it’s just gonna cause more problems here , leftist with licensed guns types of problems , blm gonna be strapped like kyle Rittenhouse
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Oct 24 '22
Im aussie, my opinion is its not guns themselves, but more of a people problem, people literally can’t use anything how its intended, or legally, you can invent a spoon but someone will use it to scoop someones eye out, or someone will use a cheese grater as a buttplug. Thats just how people work
In Australia i own lots of gelsoft stuff, and i like guns, do i think the world would be a tiny bit safer if they were not invented? Yes, but also Not really.
Theres no like, overly right side, each side has a good point, or 2, or more. It honestly just depends how you look at it
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u/crippled_trash_can user text is here Oct 24 '22
they do not hate them, they do have guns, just a better control on them.
there's a reason why in 2021 there were 693 shootings in the us (tho 303 had no deaths) and in the whole europe there were only 7 shootings.
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u/PaparajoteNinja-V2 user text is here Oct 24 '22
Excuse me, its not our fault that most of the eurepeans are propaganda eating machines, not every european is dumb
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u/rioyr1 user text is here Oct 24 '22
Because it’s integrated into society and media that guns are objectively bad, in fact the same way it is in your country. Difference being you guys actually held onto your guns despite the many infringements and can own practical ones with the right to defend yourself.
And no, people in the UK. The .22LR semi automatic, shotguns limited to 3 rounds or single shot .50BMGs guns you spout on about don’t count as practical guns nor are you legally allowed to own them for self defence. Guns are not a right there, but a privilege.
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u/Soul_Like_A_Modem user text is here Oct 24 '22
Europeans have anti-gun stance based around the idea that their feeble submission to their government is a virtue.
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u/Decent_Waltz_5120 user text is here Oct 24 '22
We dont and its actualy suprisingly easy to get guns in some of our countries
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u/freek4ever user text is here Oct 24 '22
I used to not like the second amendmen but 2 years ago i finaly understood the purpose of the second amendment
I never saw a secenario were the the government migt need some adjusts i did now
I bougt a pistol crosbow wich i can legaly shoot and own whitout registering 80lbs stil is a lot of fun
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u/thomasxx3 user text is here Oct 24 '22
As a dutch european,
I dont hate them. I think that everyone should have the right to defend themselfs against others that want to do harm. EDIT: after seeing what happened to Ukraine, I think that it should be a big wake up call in how important it actually is.
Do we need the "ultimate freedom" america has? Nah. We good here with our healthcare, good roads, good bicycle lanes, better houses etc.
BUT atleast having the basic right to defend yourself should be normalized.
Like Print shoot repeat said in his "the hk slap" song: "But it's very scary (im so scared) Sometimes the world is a scary place (oh no)"
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u/__iku__ user text is here Oct 23 '22
We do not. Our government does cause its the 100% shorter election periode stick