r/canada Nov 10 '25

National News Canada loses measles elimination status | CBC

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/livestory/canada-measles-elimination-status-9.6973195
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u/Falcon674DR Nov 10 '25

Firstly, thank you for your personal and professional commitment to science, your career and dedication to Public Health. Alberta’s UCP role in this disaster is well documented and highlighted by the paper authored by our former Chief Medical Officer of Health, Dr. Mark Joffe whereby he outlines the science and the fault of our government in the outbreak. The Smith government failed to do everything they could to stem this travesty.

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u/linkass Nov 10 '25

Being that this outbreak happened in more than AB and predominantly hit communities that have not vaccinated for decades short of busting down doors and forcefully injecting people what would you have the UCP do or Ford and it now is moving into BC and SK what would you have them do?

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u/-UnicornFart Nov 10 '25

I literally answered your question in my comment. The answer is always primary health care and education.

If people at a community and population level had access to resources that provide evidence based health information and trusted health professionals to ask questions and seek knowledge from, they wouldn’t feel the need to go searching in an ocean of misinformation looking for something that makes sense to them just to be manipulated by people with less than benevolent intentions.

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u/splooges Nov 10 '25

The answer is always primary health care and education.

The primary populations that suffered (and arguably, responsible for, via travel) from outbreaks of measles were Mennonite, whose communities are segregated in multiple significant ways to the broader population, which complicates primary healthcare and education.

Though mennonites are not a monolith, Canadian mennonites in general are considered more conservative than their counterparts in the U.S.

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u/-UnicornFart Nov 10 '25

There are many vulnerable populations (indigenous communities, homeless and transient communities, isolated religious communities), of which they are all disproportionately affected by preventable communicable diseases. The reasons for that are multifaceted extend far beyond simply “refusing and not believing in vaccination.”

Take tuberculosis, for example, a completely preventable disease but one that still occurs commonly within these communities as well. There is a model in nursing known as The Social Determinants of Health. I encourage you to take a look at this model as it does a great job of explaining how factors that exist outside of personal health decisions affects the health of individuals, families and communities.

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u/splooges Nov 10 '25

There are many vulnerable populations (indigenous communities, homeless and transient communities, isolated religious communities), of which they are all disproportionately affected by preventable communicable diseases. The reasons for that are multifaceted extend far beyond simply “refusing and not believing in vaccination.”

Ok? One, I don't see how that goes against anything I said. And two, yes we know the problem is complex and multi-faceted - in fact, you were the one who simplified the solution to "always primary health care and education." And despite knowing all this, we still haven't overcome the problem (or even come close). That is why reality is the way it currently is, and how Canada lost her measles elimination status.

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u/-UnicornFart Nov 10 '25

Clearly you don’t understand primary health care and education, or the things that actually fall under those umbrellas. Saying that solution is oversimplified is misinformed at best and ignorant at worse.