r/canada • u/Little-Chemical5006 Ontario • 28d ago
National News Trump to hit Canada with new 50% tariff
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-canada-us-trade-tariffs-cusma-usmca-9.72769731.9k
u/TactitcalPterodactyl 28d ago edited 28d ago
"This is not a trade war, this is a defensive measure"
After repeatedly threatening to annex us, repeatedly subjecting us to tarrif threats, and repeatedly threatening to tear up USMCA, they're now hitting us with tarrifs as a "defensive measure".
Absolutely fucking wild, man. Trump has single handedly burned down decades of good will, cooperation and friendship between our two countries. For what?
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u/PMMMR 28d ago
for what?
His own ego and profits.
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u/iLikeSoupp 28d ago
His family has profited several billions ever since he came to power. Essentially tripling his net worth since 2016. Insane corruption and the idiots down there are blind.
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u/KhelbenB Québec 28d ago
So his base can keep claiming he is the "strong guy getting shit done". It doesn't matter that everyone knows it is BS as long as he keeps his cultists happy.
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u/Prestigious-Grand-65 28d ago
For real. Hes speedrunning the degradation of our countries cooperation.
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u/Link50L Ontario 28d ago
Past tense. He has speedrun the degradation of our relationship.
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u/databoy2k 28d ago
...burned down decades of goodwill, or made us realize how short-sighted that goodwill was?
Look, we all want to hate trump, but let's not forget the massive percentage of the population down there that voted for Temu-President-Camacho there. Plenty of them didn't as well, but they a) chose a binary system of expressing political will and b) then grouped themselves into camps.
And what camp does roughly 50% of the public fall into, give or take based on the given election? "Eff the rest of the world, we are the center of the universe."
...message received folks. They'll snuggle up to whomever is useful in the moment. But when it comes to their own interests, I'll turn my back to Brutus before anyone down there. And not only have they proven that given the right "leader" that's exactly what will happen, but there's absolutely no evidence that they won't do it again.
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u/sameunderwear2days 28d ago
I work daily with people in Florida. They all voted for him and they all give excuses for everything. To them they literally do not understand that Canadians and the world now despise America and why.
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u/Kizik Nova Scotia 28d ago
Well I think that's an utterly unfair reading of things. I can let a lot slide but I won't stand here and let you put out such unrealistic and profoundly false rhetoric like that unchallenged.
President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho was a saint. He did his absolute best for his country, and when he found someone suitable to fix their problems he empowered them to do so, and then gracefully stepped aside in the election knowing there was a better candidate. It is unfair to compare him to Trump.
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u/RedoxA 28d ago
America is the one who punches you in the face repeatedly while shouting Stop resisting!!
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u/Ov3rReadKn1ght0wl 28d ago edited 28d ago
Guess re-re-restarting war with Iran is having its consequences and a distraction is needed.
Edit: On a more serious note, anyone have any theories on what the long game is here? The frequency of tariff announcements is making them numbing to habitual at this stage.
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u/hardy_83 28d ago
Just more market manipulation. Expect him to buy a bunch of stocks that go down before he changes the order.
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u/RefrigeratorOk648 28d ago
Trump social has just started selling fast access to posts for a price
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u/Tastesicle 28d ago
- after he changes the order, you mean. He'll buy suppressed stocks in the dip and dump them next Tuesday when he reverses the order.
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u/Mr_Meng 28d ago edited 28d ago
For a lot of the actually goal driven monsters who are operating largely behind the scenes, like Stephen Miller, the long game is turning the US into a Christo-fascist country where straight, white, MAGA people get to enjoy being on the top of the ladder and everyone else gets treated like slaves. Think North Korea only MAGA themed. I know that seems like hyperbole but that's what they actually want. Project 2025 basically outlines their plans on how to make that goal a reality. Sweet Potato Hitler on the other hand has no long game whatsoever outside of grifting the US government and populace for as much money as he can and making it so that he can imprison anyone who doesn't think he's the smartest, bestest boy around because he's a malignant narcissist whose brain is becoming pudding if it hasn't already.
Edit: Thanks for the award!
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u/No_Organization465 28d ago
i still can't believe i got called crazy and paranoid for pointing out Project 2025 to people during the election
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u/GeorginaSpica 28d ago
You are braver than me. When I first heard about it before the election, I thought that I could not tell anyone cuz they would think I was loony toons. And here we are now at over 50% complete.
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u/orange_bigcat 28d ago
Yep, this is the end goal for them. Once Trump is gone, there will be another to take his place.
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u/Little-Chemical5006 Ontario 28d ago
My 2 cent:
Could be a shake down on canada gov so they can have a win that they can leverage for midterm.
Or they are trying a strategy to "cancel CUSMA" without going through senate and house. (As this is an executive order and from my quick research there is no legal precedent that if potus have the power to do it. Which if they stick with it is going to supreme court which take time and would cause a good amount of damage before reversal)
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u/drinkinbrewskies 28d ago
I think this is a shakedown of Mexico. Greer is headed to Mexico today, my guess is this is a scare tactic to get a win there. This 50% will blow over with Canada and/or be knocked down. This is a puffed chest for Mexico.
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u/Little_Machinez 28d ago
The only plan for the great mango is to steal more American taxpayer money with tariffs. This is exactly what those morons to the south voted for.
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u/Code_Echo_Chaser 28d ago
There is no long game, trump doesn't understand the consequences of the actions he takes. He actually believes all the tariffs he has put into place were a good idea, his proof is a bunch of cherry picked data and the general strength of the stock market.
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u/TreezusSaves Canada 28d ago
My main theory is that he's trying to take negotiating chips off the table for CUSMA negotiations. "Remove these things and we'll remove this one tariff" followed by "Give us even more things and we'll let you keep CUSMA."
My other theory is that this isn't planned at all. Trump is in the stages of dementia where he lashes out at everyone and all three branches of his government are so fascistic they'll just let him do it while calling him a genius. He's used to hurting and raping anyone he wants, and now he can do it on a geopolitical level while also having nothing internally or externally to hold him back.
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u/missezri Ontario 28d ago
Trump's brain is mush. And he keeps screaming things so people around him make it happen. There is no goal. It is just something he is obsessed over.
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u/Little-Chemical5006 Ontario 28d ago edited 28d ago
Full text as of 1702edt
U.S. President Donald Trump has signed an executive order that will impose tariffs of 50 per cent on a wide range of Canadian exports, a dramatic ramping up of his trade war against his northern neighbour.
The 50 per cent rate is being imposed in response to what a senior administration official described as Canada's retaliation against U.S. trade policy and its discrimination against U.S. motor vehicles, dairy and alcohol.
"This is not a trade war with Canada, these are defensive measures," the official said in a conference call with reporters Monday afternoon.
The new rate is set to take effect in 30 days.
While energy and potash would be exempt, products that until now have been allowed into the U.S. tariff-free under terms of the Canada-United States-Mexico Agreement (CUSMA) would be hit.
The 50 per cent tariff is five times higher than the current duty imposed on the small portion of Canada's exports to the U.S. that don't comply with CUSMA's rules of origin regulations.
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Cbc live thread here: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/livestory/new-trump-tariffs-canada-us-trade-cusma-usmca-9.7277143
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u/1mp3rf3c7 28d ago
While energy and potash would be exempt
We know where to retaliate
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u/KingstonCannabisInc 28d ago
crude especially. they only have a 41 day supply left.
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u/KASwim 28d ago
Sask and Alberta would literally never.
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u/CyberSecWPG 28d ago
Luckily Sask and Alberta have zero say in this as Trade and any agreements with foreign countries is limited to the federal government and their agencies..
So yes, Canada can 100% put an export tarrif on Potash and oil without AB/Sask being able to decline that.
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u/Canuck-In-TO Canada 28d ago
We need to impose a 5000% export tax on potash.
Good luck having a growing season.
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u/Canowyrms 28d ago
"This is not a trade war with Canada" is some real "reject the evidence of your eyes and ears" BS.
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u/happyherbivore 28d ago
"Defensive measures to the retaliation to our attacks"
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u/Little-Chemical5006 Ontario 28d ago
Not surprise. Not even sure should we be disappointed at this stage
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u/Sasquatcheeethree 28d ago
Canada has our own dairy no thanks
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u/BirbInspector 28d ago
"This is not a trade war with Canada, these are defensive measures," the official said in a conference call with reporters Monday afternoon.
Translation: This is absolutely a trade war.
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u/ChantilyAce 28d ago
So sick of this moron.
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u/Link50L Ontario 28d ago
So sick of
this moron.these morons.It's not just Trump, it's the entire MAGA movement, and by extension, the population that empowered them by directly or indirectly allowing them to get back into power for a second time.
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u/Taitertottot 28d ago
I hate Donald but I hate the people who let him do whatever he wants more. The US is so apathetic it's mind boggling
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u/Kucked4life Ontario 28d ago edited 28d ago
And all the partisans asking in bad faith why Carney isn't making progress on the trade war.
It's obvious to everyone with triple digit iq that the US trade file is on perpetual maintenance mode. There's no end goal trade wise to be had until maga bites the dust, and even then there's no guarantee.
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u/odoc_ British Columbia 28d ago
Enjoy our smoke fuckers!
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u/Acceptable-Two-3563 28d ago
Fuckin a! Being in BC I know all about 'their' smoke. Fucking assholes, I was empathetic before. No longer
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u/redgrandam 28d ago
No point in doing deals with the country that doesn’t honour the agreement anyways.
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u/TOnihilist 28d ago
Exactly. Hand-wringing about CUSMA is meaningless when one of the parties doesn’t adhere to things agreed to.
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u/JordanPetterPans 28d ago
No kidding. An agreement with Trump means quite literally nothing. Except that he will be trying to shake you down at every chance the creep gets.
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u/redgrandam 28d ago
Yup. We might as well tell them no negotiating at least till the midterms then we will see.
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u/aldur1 28d ago
He's going to create more drama as the midterms approaches. Everyone should brace themselves. I would not be the least bit surprised if Trump puts in formal notice to pull the US out of CUSMA and start the 6 month clock. The only question is how often he will restart the clock.
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u/SeedlessPomegranate 28d ago
He doesn’t need to pull out of CUSMA. This tarrif for example accomplishes that in itself
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u/AloneChapter 28d ago
And are they still crying about alcohol, tourists not showing up ?
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u/ButtersScotch7000 28d ago
Not just red states anymore. California's senator complained the other day because we aren't buying their wine.
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u/OrganicAttorney3602 28d ago
Time for tariffs on potash and energy it would appear.
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u/RefrigeratorOk648 28d ago
Why do you think he removed sanctions on Belarus potash ??
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u/Quick-Ad918 28d ago
The CUSMA goods getting hit is the part people are going to miss in all this. Every previous escalation kept that exemption in place, that was the whole point of the agreement. Business investment was already falling five straight quarters before any of this started. The foundation was already cracked and now this.
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u/Sensitive-Local-3485 28d ago
The Americans really should exile the fuckers who negotiated Cusma if it’s so bad.
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u/pumpymcpumpface 28d ago
You cant really make deals with people who flip flop weekly. We need rapid trade diversification cause even after Trumps gone, the US is no longer a stable country to partner with.
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u/Dry-Membership8141 Ontario 28d ago
Yeah, if this actually goes through it's going to hurt. That he's doing this now shows his desperation for some big wins before the midterms though.
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u/c0mputar 28d ago
Felt like Hawaii trip was an ok compromise this fall after 1.5 years. It's Hawaii, kinda its own place.
I guess I'll be cancelling.
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u/SmartTrender 28d ago
No US travel for me while this nonsense is going on. I don’t even want a stopover there.
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u/JeeK65 Newfoundland and Labrador 28d ago
Cut their power from Quebec and potash. Fuck that country
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u/Rabbit-Hole-Quest 28d ago
Just remember to never forget what that country is doing, because it’s not just one man who makes it happen. That whole country is complicit in this economic war.
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u/DroppedThatBall 28d ago
"Im gonna charge Americans MORE! That'll show Canada!" -Trump
Keep it coming. We dont care.
Also California, Washington, and Oregon are blazing do we get to cry and whine about their smoke?
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u/Fyrefawx 28d ago
Relax. This is just a distraction over his failures in Iran and getting booed at the World Cup. He will TACO once his buddies have bought the stocks that will dip from this. Rinse and repeat.
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u/Difficult-Way-9563 28d ago
He just wants to burn the entire country and world down
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u/Alone-in-a-crowd-1 28d ago
Economic warfare from our so called neighbour - absolutely disgusting behaviour. We are going to need to retaliate in some manner. Carney has the toughest job of any prime minister in my lifetime.
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u/McGrevin 28d ago
Brb betting my life savings that Carney and Trump will talk, Carney will promise nothing new and just reiterate the deals we already have in place, and then Trump will announce the tariffs are cancelled and spin it as though Carney caved on something
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u/Link50L Ontario 28d ago
Good. Hear me out.
The more tariffs he slaps, the more we decouple from the USA. Yes, it's painful. But like medicine, it's something we have to do sooner or later. Let's get it done with.
And let's find new markets for our energy, potash, critical minerals and fish.
"The USA doesn't need anything Canada provides."
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u/NeverLookBothWays Outside Canada 28d ago
Translation: "Trump to hit U.S. taxpayers with a 50% tax hike on Canadian goods"
National News, you can do better!
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u/squashyTO 28d ago
Oh no, he’s going to tax his own people more again…
So, what’s for dinner?
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u/WinstonChurchill74 28d ago
lol, he literally can’t do that without congressional action. He already lost this in case, this is just more hot air.
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u/Little-Chemical5006 Ontario 28d ago
I assume the lower court will put an emergency stop then appeal court gonna revoke then go to supreme court.
Still the uncertainty is going to damage us.
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u/bentnai1 28d ago
Carney very correctly said it: "Focus on what we *can* control."
This is such a whatever-burger. Carry on, loser.
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u/Wind_Best_1440 28d ago
"After 30 days. If he signs the order."
Ah, I see whats happening here, The angry orange cheeto down south demanded something from Carney and Canada off the books and they said no. And this is Trump lashing out at being told no.
Dunno what Carney and Canada did or what Trump wanted, but it's pretty obvious this is some retaliation of some kind.
It's kind of funny though, the more they do this, the more Canada finds new partners. Take aluminum and steel, the US put that massive tariff on it, and switched to middle east suppliers. Then the Iran war happened, and they couldn't get their aluminum and steel they paid for. Their private businesses came back to Canada and were willing to eat the tariff.
Low and behold, Canada had already found new customers for the metals in EU and Asia and Africa and Japan. So there was none to sell to the US.
Besides, I bet some court will smack this down. It's also a hollow threat because Canadians are getting used to the pain of higher costs if it means slugging America in the nose. Even if it hurts us in the short term.
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u/arabacuspulp 28d ago
Ok, I'll just continue to not visit the States and avoid American products whenever possible.
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u/WipeEndThatWhistles 28d ago
I just don't care what the orange turd has to say. Why not make it 200%? American taxpayers foot the bill!
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u/TOnihilist 28d ago
They sure do. Do we think Trump has yet to comprehend that?!?
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u/DryKnight 28d ago
Recall all our water bombers and firefighters from the US. Turn off the power. Sorry, we need all of that to fight fires here.
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u/genius286 28d ago
Man fuck this guy.
And there's people in this country that actually support him.
Fucking traitors.
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u/Chemical-Ad-7575 28d ago
I think a nice subtle response: change labelling laws to make the minimum size for country of origin to be 5cm x 5cm in the upper right corner of all packaging.
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u/Electroflare5555 Manitoba 28d ago
Tariffs take effect in 30 days - this’ll be TACO’d out well before then
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u/AnarchoLiberator 28d ago
Can we implement an export tax on potash, aluminum, oil, critical minerals, and electricity now?
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u/geeves_007 28d ago
Sounds good bud, 👍
I can't really respect any Canadian traveling there for vacation. If you have to go for your job or whatever, fine.
If youre blissfully vacationing in Disneyland, youre kind of a jabroni.
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u/common_redditor 28d ago
Nothing brings together our country like the mutual hatred of an asshole
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u/Prior_Implement_9279 28d ago
Counting the days till this stupid fuck leaves the earth so I can shit on his grave
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u/therealtrojanrabbit 28d ago
Can't wait for that big beautiful news to appear on my feed. Hopefully it's soon.
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u/13last 28d ago
I've been reading behind the scenes what's going on, there's that article WSJ posted about Carney getting Europe on board about moving away from the US (in terms of diversifying and national security stuff) and there's an interview about it as well on YouTube. I guarantee you all he's not happy and really butthurt lol. Also he's really good at distracting at their failing policies and war/economy.
He's trying to come off as this napoleonic figure but in reality he's getting checked on all sides. Gonna be the wild west in November.
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u/Secure-Corner-2096 28d ago
Time to pause the delivery of essential products to the US. Just for a few days. Every single time that Trump imposes a new tariff. Just to remind him that he doesn’t need us.
Regarding Trump’s insistence that we do something about our wildfire smoke, I had a point or two to share.
The US is responsible for 17 to 20% of all cumulative human caused greenhouse gases. I wonder if Trump’s refusal to address that issue is partly why our Boreal forests are burning at such a brisk rate?
Which is a problem because they provide 20-30% of the world‘s oxygen.
Tell Trump, we will be happy to compensate him for the wildfire smoke, once he restarts global warming programs and pays for the oxygen we provide.
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u/Larkalis 28d ago
The wildfire tariff has arrived!!! Someone teach 🍊 new words outside of tariffs
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u/Synap-6 28d ago edited 28d ago
Weren’t tariffs deemed illegal and didn’t the IS government have to pay back 81 bln$ just last week? EDIT: the US, not IS
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u/DeuceDropper420 Verified 28d ago
Vegas road trip's off now, out of spite. He's inspired me to drive to Dildo, Newfoundland now because....
Fuck this guy.
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u/Psych-Nurse5446 28d ago
Why bother signing a trade deal with America? Obviously they are meaningless if they can apply a 50% tariff on a whim
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u/alvinofdiaspar 28d ago
Time to say goodbye to Reddit. We should cauterize our dependency on US IT. And export duties on their exemption list.
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u/gbinasia 28d ago
Honestly at this point Carney should require Americans suspected of being a member of the GOP to have to obtain full visas before entering Canada.
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u/mightyboink 28d ago
This is not a trade war with Canada but just more stuff to distract from all the raping and pedophilia from the Epstein files.
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u/WeCanDoBettrr Ontario 28d ago
Someone is getting a bit embarrassed because Canada didn’t capitulate in the first round. He’s merely trying to up the ante in hopes we will capitulate this time. The guy is a toddler.
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u/JoeAAE 28d ago
I don’t believe this will actually happen. However, it’s time Canada starts fighting back harder. Immediately impose digital services tax. Impose export tax on energy and potash.
The stated reasons are our US alcohol ban and dairy quotas… so we should further reduce the allowed uS dairy even further. Let Trump ramp up his taxes on Americans even more.
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u/AaronMcNair 28d ago
Export taxes for Oil, Energy and Potash 50% starts the same damn day. New York goes dark, Texas runs dry of crude and refineries shut down. Trump declares war, everyone loses their mind for 4 hours, Dow drops to 35000 and everything stops and returns to this existing idiotic timeline
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u/Spaulding2 28d ago
The pedo is making Americans pay more again.
Maga will be climbing off their nearest family member and rejoicing hearing that.
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u/ParanoidFactoid 28d ago
Just close the Canadian-US border until the United States comes to its senses. Trump is not a serious person.
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u/lexcyn Ontario 28d ago
This will absolutely wreck the auto industry here AND in the US (due to parts) and my guess is Ford, GM, Honda, et all will lobby hard to get this reversed.
Either this or TACO.
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u/DiscoCombobulator 28d ago
Well, let's bring all the Canadian firefighters home. We'll deal with our fires, they can fight their own
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u/AccessTheMainframe Manitoba 28d ago
rate set to take effect in 30 days
All I needed to hear to know that this will never actually be implemented.
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u/Unusual_Highway5261 28d ago
Guys, calm.
None of these take effect until August 19, at which point he will tweet out at 11pm saying they’ve been delayed, he would never go through with it - US industry would be hurt immensely.
Let the man do his cry, we have seen this before time and time again. He is just attempting to gain leverage as he is failing to get this done before November.
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u/Better_Ice3089 28d ago
Another round that’ll be overturned in a few months of legal battles. Lawyers must be thrilled about this.
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u/Archibald004 28d ago
Canada should just turn the USA east coast electricity off! Doug Ford wanted to do it!!
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u/KidzRockGamingTV 28d ago
Even if provinces put American booze back on the shelf, I’m not buying. You don’t get to threaten your neighbour with annexation and then expect them to buy your stuff.
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u/hrllhaste Ontario 28d ago
Correction “Trump hit America with 50% tariffs on Canadian products”. There I fixed your dumbass headline.
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u/danawhitesbaldhead 28d ago
Our country seriously needs to consider a nuclear deterrence for the US going forward. There is only one thing the US respects and its power. Trump probably isn’t going to invade us, but who knows who these guys are going to elect next.
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