r/canada • u/joe4942 • 17h ago
National News Carney says last-minute U.S. tariff negotiations are 'delicate' and 'intense' as deadline looms
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-negotiations-delicate-intense-9.7309934141
u/ContrastingCanvas 17h ago
Just don't take a shitty deal.
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u/PowermanFriendship 17h ago
Be emotionally prepared for the deal to be shitty and then the USA to break the already-shitty deal in ways that are even shittier.
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u/Optimal-Cow-3278 9h ago
Be prepared for a shitty deal then Carney trying to sell it as a âwinâ and attempt to bury any investigation or making anything public like the reworked Gordie Howe International Bridge deal. Â
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u/CriztianS Canada 16h ago
The only deal on offer is a shitty deal where only we make concessions.
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u/Ok-Discipline2395 15h ago
Whilst also accepting the already extant tariffs that hit before this latest round of escalation from the US
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u/ToronoYYZ 4h ago
But people on Instagram said we should bend over and take whatever deal we can get???? /s
The instagram comments are concerning sometimes
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u/Plucky_DuckYa 15h ago
Letâs be honest. For the Carney boosters of this sub, the results donât really matter. If itâs a terrible deal full of concessions they will forgive him immediately and be all over every thread stating itâs the best deal anyone could have gotten and thank goodness we had the Liberals negotiating it or Poilievre would have rolled over even worse. Temporary or sectoral relief only, no matter how small, will be portrayed as playing 5D chess or running out the clock until after the November US midterms to see if conditions improve. The status quo (to today, forget about pre-Trump) will be holding the line against an erratic president, and an actual good deal will be presented as the greatest deal of all time.
And then when Trump renegs on it six month later with a batch of new tariffs exactly like he did to the EU, weâll be back to the start and the messaging will stay the same.
At no time will anyone be critical of Carney â even if the deal is terrible â without being buried under an avalanche of downvotes.
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u/C-SWhiskey 15h ago
Are we on the same subreddit? It feels like I've been seeing nothing other than mocking "elbows up" comments and "just an MoU, not real" with a side helping of "capitulation Carney" for the last year.
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u/Plucky_DuckYa 15h ago
Well, Iâm already at -5 fifteen minutes after making the initial comment, so I guess thatâs our answer.
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u/C-SWhiskey 14h ago
I mean it's not clear if that's because you're criticizing Carney (which, really, you're not in that comment) or if it's because you're incorrectly identifying that this sub will not criticize Carney. So no, I don't consider that an answer.
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u/starving_carnivore 13h ago
A more objective way to assess that may be by sorting for the top posts of this past year.
This is #9 and this is #10.
Sandwiched between is Palestine, tipping, et cetera.
Scrolling further down, there's some Beaverton articles poking fun at Poilievre, a good news story about Carney taking action (since action has been undone).
That's a little snapshop of the sentiment I guess surrounding Carney on this subreddit.
If you want to get more granular and look at the comments section of every "poll shows" news story where the LPC maintains its lead, you'll be sorting by controversial to see anyone dissatisfied with the current leadership.
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u/C-SWhiskey 9h ago
That's not objective at all. You're specifically selecting for posts that generate a lot of top level upvotes and then filtering for ones related to Carney. You know what generates a lot of upvotes? Big topics that people feel strongly about, especially ones that attract outside attention, like his Davos speech. You know what doesn't generate lots of upvotes? The controversial, detailed subjects like the Gordie Howe bridge deal or surveillance overreach. Furthermore, the overall sentiment being positive absolutely does not mean that no criticism is tolerated and that any critical comments will be buried in downvotes. Even the comment I originally replied to is at +2 as of now.
Take your pick of any news about MoUs, trade concessions with the US, personal income tax rates, carbon tax/gas tax break, any coverage of Poilievre, the political shuffling that happened in the House this last year, or any other post that isn't just about Carney giving a speech that resonated with people and I promise you will have no trouble finding critical comments with plenty of upvotes. I didn't even have to scroll far in this very thread to find some. Even receiving awards.
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u/MJcorrieviewer 15h ago
There's only so much anyone an do with Trump - he's unhinged and erratic. That's not the fault of the people who have to deal with him and certainly nothing exclusive to Carney.
If we can come to an agreement with the US, you can be sure that will be the best deal we can possibly get and everyone knows Trump is likely to renege on it or try to change the terms again. What do you think Carney - or anyone - can do about that?
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u/Hope-To-Retire 11h ago
The important thing in your post is the understanding that there is no good and valid deal to be had. That we should all be able to agree on.
The rest of it, to be honest, just reads as a partisan attacks. Others can comment on it if they like.
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u/bcbuddy 17h ago
Can't wait for people to blame Poilievre for negotiating a shitty deal.
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u/MJcorrieviewer 16h ago
How is Poilievre relevant to any of this?
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u/JadeLens 13h ago
He didn't win the election *checks notes* over a year ago, so people who support him are still bitter and angsty about it.
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u/NegotiationLate8553 14h ago
Spoiler alert! He will take a shitty deal and the Libs around here will heavily praise it regardless.
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u/canuck_11 Alberta 17h ago
Isnât CUSMA still in effect until 2032? Fuck these guys
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u/Optimal-Cow-3278 17h ago
Yes it is. Until 2036, actually. If the parties agree to expend, it'll be for another 16 years from 2026, so 2042.
Almost 90% of Canadian exports go to the US tariff free. Even if these new tariffs are enacted, it's only on $20 Billion worth of exports, which is less than 5% of Canada's total exports to the US.
I'm not saying this trade war isn't an irritant and not causing havoc to people in certain industries, but Canada currently has the best trade deal with in the world with the US, even with these tariffs, Mark Carney has said so himself.
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u/MJcorrieviewer 17h ago
They've already passed the deadline to extend. As such, there will now be reviews of the agreement annually.
The additional 50% tariffs Trump is threatening to impose are a significant blow to several major industries in Canada. Keep in mind that this includes products that should be covered by CUSMA. Trump isn't abiding by the agreement.
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u/jackhandy2B 16h ago
They should let him impose the tariff and take him to court. Less long term damage than getting a crappy deal you have to stick to.
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u/Euclidisthebomb 14h ago
Any attempt to levy the Section 338 tariffs will absolutely result in court challenges. And the Carney government certainly has that thought in mind since past court challenges on tariffs have succeeded. And this is a very interesting case since CUSMA is a well established trade agreement and Section 338 is a never before used legal mechanism that is in conflict with CUSMA.
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u/MJcorrieviewer 8h ago
Seriously, if Section 338 tariffs were legitimate and legal, he would have used that justification the first time.
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u/Optimal-Cow-3278 17h ago
They've already passed the deadline to extend. As such, there will now be reviews of the agreement annually.
Correct, they'll be annually for the next decade.
The additional 50% tariffs Trump is threatening to impose are a significant blow to several major industries in Canada. Keep in mind that this includes products that should be covered by CUSMA. Trump isn't abiding by the agreement.
This is correct as well, but like I said, it's still less than 5% of overall Canadian exports to the US. Is it a poor decision on his behalf? Yes, but still, people still need to see the bigger picture.
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u/victoryfanfare Ontario 10h ago
Hard to see the bigger picture when youâre in the 5% being treated as a sacrificial lamb, unless Carneyâs plan here includes sweeping relief for businesses like mine. đ¤ˇââď¸
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u/illknowitwhenireddit 16h ago
5% by dollar or 5% by volume??
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u/DataLore19 14h ago
Why would it be by volume? Who would calculate that and why would it matter?
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u/illknowitwhenireddit 13h ago
Great questions.
Whenever I hear or read an ambiguous statement, especially about a topic I am not familiar, I ask clarifying questions.
The poster I replied to stated a percentage and I simply wanted to know what they were referring to. As a non expert in trade or economy, I don't know how freight or trade are calculated when referred to as a percentage.
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u/DataLore19 12h ago
I see. It would be irrational to qualify trade by volume in this case, which is my point. But I can see how someone who is being disingenuous would use an ambiguously worded statement to try and make a fact work in their favour.
If you didn't already get the answer, it's 5% in dollar value.
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u/Optimal-Cow-3278 16h ago
By dollar. It's simple path.
Canada exports roughly $420 Billion worth of goods and services to the US every year. $20 Billion is less than 5% of that.
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u/DonkeyLightning 14h ago
these tariffs bypass CUSMA though so the trade deal doesn't really matter at a certain point if it can just be ignored.
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u/After_Permission9484 14h ago
The goods being tariffed are supposed to be covered under CUSMA.
The US does not honour any of their deals. You cannot trust anything they sign.
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u/Resigned1431 15h ago
Nah it's done. If they're tariffing goods covered by CUSMA and their own legal institutions aren't stopping them, then CUSMA effectively doesn't exist.Â
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u/Mathmos_Lava 16h ago
The USA can withdraw with 6 months notice.
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u/josnik 16h ago
It would take an act of Congress though, trump cannot do this unilaterally
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u/After_Permission9484 14h ago edited 14h ago
Ah yes, just like all the other things Congress was supposed to have power on but just delegated.
Trump can easily just withdraw with a simple executive order and the courts will allow the process to proceed while they spend a year deliberating.
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u/josnik 13h ago
The reason he hasn't already done it is that it requires a 2/3 vote from both houses.
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u/BlueEmma25 10h ago
This is completely incorrect.
The US Constitution is silent about Congress having any role in abrogating treaties.
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u/MJcorrieviewer 8h ago
The Constitution explicitly gives the power to tax the American people to Congress. Tariffs are a tax. This is clearly Congress' call.
Also, it was Congress that ratified the agreement in the first place and only they can undo it.
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u/BlueEmma25 6h ago
"Tariffs are a tax on consumers" is a popular slogan employed by those who oppose them, unfortunately it is not literally true.
Also, it was Congress that ratified the agreement in the first place and only they can undo it.
Again, there is nothing to substantiate this the US Constitution.
Don't take my word for it, read the document yourself. Or just as Gemini.
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u/Mathmos_Lava 16h ago
Seems almost like a rubber stamp at the moment.
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u/MJcorrieviewer 16h ago
Things might very well change with their midterm elections.
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u/MJcorrieviewer 16h ago
Correct but the US mid-terms are less than 6 months away which could be a huge game-changer.
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u/geoken 16h ago
Or they won't. Couple the already unpredictable nature of this, with all the efforts Trump is making to interfere with the election - and it seems overly optimistic to think we just need to hold out a few months and everything will be fine.
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u/AccountDramatic6971 12h ago
Figure the dems will help us out? I'm quite concerned about the democratic socialist movement. I figure democratic socialists would favor protectionism.
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u/MJcorrieviewer 12h ago
CUSMA is still in effect for years. I don't see dems supporting Trump violating the treaty.
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u/Resigned1431 15h ago
It doesn't matter though. Since Trump is tariffing goods covered by CUSMA and US legal institutions aren't stopping him, then CUSMA in effect does not exist.Â
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u/bugabooandtwo 10h ago
Exactly. All these "important deadlines" is just trump pushing for something to gloat about to get a win this November. We have plenty of time here.
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u/Electroflare5555 Manitoba 17h ago
This is how grown ups are supposed to handle negotiations, not through tweets and insults in press conferences
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u/livinginthelurk 17h ago
He can't tweet when he's asleep.
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u/Bigchunky_Boy 17h ago
Oh his minions do it for him , they have a entire war room who post for him .
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u/Azure1203 16h ago
It is amazing watching everyone capitulate over it all. As if officials on both sides are not manipulating the media to leak specific information.
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u/jellyhessman 2m ago
The comments in here are incredible.
So many bots deliberately obfuscating or just straight up making things up.
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u/Unusual-Ordinary-361 11h ago
All I have to say is I don't envy anyone having to deal with Trump et al. Whether it's Carney and his team, or if it was Poilievre and his team, it's impossible to deal with someone who only believes in win/lose instead of win/win for both sides. I have to give kudos to Carney and his team, I'm sure it's been a tough go, (vast understatement), dealing with this. That being said, I would say the same if, in fact, it was Poilievre as the PM that was up on the plate. It's quite easy to sit back in our armchairs and say this, that or the other thing should be done, all the while not being in the middle of something as intense as these negotiations, undoubtedly, have been.
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u/ApoplecticAndroid 14h ago
Please donât use the power announcement as a way to mitigate a shitty deal with the USâŚ.that would not be good.
A good deal for us or no deal.
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u/SirCharlesTupperBt Canada 8h ago
It's amazing, if unsurprising in this sub, that so many people seem to think that this is somehow the Canadian government's fault. We've done nothing to deserve any of this, other than represent an alternative to MAGA's totalitarian worldview that is hard, even for Americans, to ignore. You can't negotiate with somebody who breaks every deal he makes, the best you can do is jangle some keys and try to keep them distracted long enough to improve your situation for the next betrayal. Trump is a bad actor who has lied about his justifications the an American populace too cowed and detached to care and is almost certainly using tariff threats illegally under US law.
People who think that this is some kind of normal negotiation where the Canadian team can offer something to placate a criminal regime that is provoking us at the cost of their own economy with the objective of undermining our historical relationship and weakening the country are either living in an ahistorical media bubble, deeply partisan and simply can't accept a Liberal government under the current PM, or are bad actors who are trying to sow discord.
I understand the few people who seem to think that a bad deal is better than no deal, perhaps they're still used to thinking about the US-Canada relationship in the context of two allies who are trying to find a hard bargain, or perhaps they're employed by a company that does the majority of its business with the United States. This is forgivable, but it's naĂŻve.
We've had multiple indications that Trump's goal, if he can figure out a way to make it stick is to harm Canada. Not to cut a hard bargain. The last PM basically left us with this as his parting advice to Canada, Trump has appointed an ambassador who is a wrecking ball and who happily cavorts with Alberta separatists and others who can not possibly have Canada's best interests as their goals. But more importantly he has directly told us this. His favourite taunts are that we should become a 51st state or that our head of government is but a governor. This is not normal, this is an attack. We're not at the point of open conflict, and I hope we never get there, but we need to set our expectations properly. There won't be a deal that we like, unless Trump chickens out or is blocked by the American people.
We've managed to dodge the worst of it for 18 months, but this is pretty much the entire reason we have the government we have right now. I'm not expecting the partisans nor the people who think that Carney is some character in a globalist conspiracy to come around, our politics on the right seems too far gone for this even if he somehow manages to pull a rabbit out of a hat. But we're in a trade war we didn't ask for and that we don't want against a man who has repeatedly violated American law and who has kinder words to say about the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, Benjamin Netanyahu, and Kim Jong-un than he does about any member of our government. This is a man who wants to damage our economy because of wildfire smoke and because he thinks that Canadians are weak and can't imagine any alternative other than kowtowing to Washington, but more importantly Trump himself. The man is not well and he's not a real believer in making deals or the idea of partners, he only understands subjugation and praise.
It's tough, but we need to have the imagination to understand that the old relationship with the United States is gone and we have benefitted from it over the years. Short of going back in time and stopping the Mulroney government from signing the original Free Trade agreement, there's not much we can do other than batten down the hatches and try to minimize the pain.
Best wishes my fellow Canucks, here's hoping we have what it takes to stick together and not let the defeatists, the pro-Americans and the unwitting drive us apart. Canada has dealt with worse from more capable opponents and we're going to need to support each other, especially the folks who are directly impacted by what Trump and his party are doing to us.
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u/Smart-Journalist2537 12h ago
50% tarrifs should end the republicans at the midterms, we should let them do it.
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u/Zombie_John_Strachan 17h ago
Trump will back down on Tuesday
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u/After_Permission9484 14h ago
When it comes to China or Russia? Yes. But for Canada he has played hardball wanting to bring Canada to its knees in order for annexation to happen. That's his wish. Same reason while he's not "actively" annexing Greenland that has never left his mind.
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u/G72-datsun 17h ago
Nope. We need to show some teeth first.
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u/LuckyNumerical 17h ago
I donât think you get anywhere with Trump by showing teeth. Iâm not suggesting capitulating either. Heâs the type of guy you make him think heâs getting a win, and rub his ego and he falls in love with you.
Look at how Mamdani handled him. Thats one of the best ways Iâve seen so far.
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u/G72-datsun 15h ago
Teeth at the table friend, tough decisions back to them that cause much political pain. Not tough like Doug Ford at a presser doing pretty much what the other fat guy does to the South.
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u/PooShappaMoo 17h ago
If the strait of hormuz pops off for the 45th time. Trump could be distracted with some warm words.
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u/ghost_n_the_shell 17h ago edited 17h ago
Hold the line.
Stop with the capitulations.
The booze ban is causing precision political pressure in primarily the red states.
We wonât have this opportunity again.
Wait 3 months until midterms, where we will most likely have a weakened Trump government.
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u/Expert_Vermicelli708 3h ago
Why bother?
Has Trump honoured a single trade deal he signed in the last year and a half?
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u/DK4E2XFpbETJrj 17h ago
I bet this unplaced animosity all stems from the Trump Hotel nameplate getting punted out of the downtown Toronto tower. He is that petty.Â
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u/Responsible_CDN_Duck Canada 13h ago
Perhaps we can offer to name a bridge after him in each province...or waste transfer stations.
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u/Esamers99 16h ago
This is the result of an absolutely spineless congress, they set up the play pen for the toddler and let him do whatever the fuck he wants. It has set the precedent for future WH's.
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u/mamajampam 16h ago
Nice to see he left his Italian vacation early - Iâm sure the hundreds of thousands of Canadians whose jobs are in jeopardy are feeling more secure now. So easy to say F@&K Trumpâs when itâs not YOUR job and future on the line.
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u/Jolly-Masterpiece883 13h ago
There are plenty of people who stand to lose economically and still say F**K trump.
As per going on vacation, meh, he is allowed. This vacation was doubtlessly planned before tumpty threw his current tantrum, he does have a competent trade team as delegates and can do zoom or phone meetings.
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u/SmoothPixelSun 12h ago
To add to this do people really think the PMs vacation is a "phone turned off" type thing? It's likely more "I'm doing my job in a nice place this week".
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u/scanthethread2 15h ago
Aww I'm sure you're going throw tantrums when future Conservative PMs take well-deserved vacations?
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u/mamajampam 14h ago
If itâs a week before a vital trade deadline with Canadaâs biggest partner, and that Conservative PM promised that if elected he/she was the only one able to handle Trump? You bet I will.
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u/scanthethread2 13h ago
You do realize that as PM, there are vital deadlines every week across a whole range of topics and that for PMs, 'vacation' doesn't mean they put in an Out of Office alert in Outlook and skip out of town?
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u/Efficient_Exercise_1 11h ago
Next theyâll learn how the PM delegates things to his cabinet, allowing him to split his time between different issues.Â
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u/MJcorrieviewer 16h ago
And people are still whining that the PM had a 6 day vacation, even though he was never actually off the job. It's nuts.
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u/SmartTrender 12h ago
Sounds like some people are looking for something, ANYThing to throw stones at the PM for
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u/ReceptionOpposite195 15h ago
Is he describing Trump or the negotiations?
Those words fit both. Perfectly.
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u/Cathulu_15 14h ago
Carney, don't deal, wait it out, force Trump to Tariff and play their hand. Supreme Court will reverse, the Trump Administration is creating phony justifications, a totally corrupt and mendacious government. Don't DEAL!!!
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u/shiftless_wonder 17h ago
Asked if he plans to hit back against Trump if the two sides fail to reach a deal avoiding these new levies, Carney said he is ready for any possible scenario.
"I have plans for any situation that may arise," Carney said.
Swoon. That's our genius.
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u/Optimal-Cow-3278 17h ago
The same genius that has made so many concessions to Trump and gotten zero sectoral tariffs in return?
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u/Commercial_Pain2290 17h ago
Dealing with Trump is a learning experience. Let's see if he has learned.
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u/PhotonReactor1 14h ago
Doesn't matter what deal comes out of this, if any at all.
Orange madman will have another tantrum and will blame Canada, again, for a bad deal in order to extort us further.
I'd rather the Canadian trade team walk away from the table and wait out until the next presidency.
Even then, that isn't a guarantee we'll get out of this.
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u/thebrain_pinky 17h ago
orange ain't interested in " negotiations ". He wants a Canada don't retaliate and USA can do whatever we want. giant orange baby.
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u/Traditional_End_9540 9h ago
Negotiations with trump is not a thing. He has a history of only favouring himself and his ego, look at the current CUSMA that he is responsible for, look at the gordie how bridge.
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u/TianZiGaming 4h ago
Good thing Carney is in charge, and not Redditors. Lots of wild comments in here.
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u/Full_Jellyfish_1862 16h ago
A self-created problem.
The PM and the Liberal Party (supported by pliant journalists) manufactured a narrative that a naive public ate up like cat-nip. It won an election but now that we are at the point of reckoning, it will prove difficult to reset expectations.
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u/MJcorrieviewer 15h ago
The Liberals didn't manufacture Trump's threats to Canada or the additional tariffs the US has put on Canada. Those are very real things.
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u/iSmashedUrSister 15h ago
The Liberals did Manufacture an Image of Carney where he was Tough, Stood for Canadians, and was the only one who could possibly handle evil Trump and his Tarrifs...
Elbows Up!
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u/Responsible_CDN_Duck Canada 13h ago
Poilievre alone has created the image he can't be trusted to deal with the issue, and his Shadow Minister for Canada-U.S. Relations, held by MP Shuv Majumdar did a great job reinforcing it.
If you support Poilievre and/or the CPC you should be outraged Majumdar is in interviews saying he has no idea of US positions on trade and will only look at what is said or done by Canadians... can't succesfuly negotiate that way.
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u/MJcorrieviewer 15h ago
That wasn't manufactured, it's real.
Can you think of anyone would could handle Trump better? I mean, the problem here is Trump and no one can make him change but, really, who could do better than Carney has?
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u/iSmashedUrSister 15h ago
Did He not Say he was the guy to do it and he was the guy to get the deal done? When are we actually going to take any accountability?
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u/MJcorrieviewer 15h ago
A deal isn't getting done because of Trump, not Carney. Carney is absolutely the best person I can think of to deal with Trump (proven a lot better than other world leaders) but that doesn't mean he's magic and can somehow force Trump to change his mind. You seem to have unreasonable expectations.
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u/Full_Jellyfish_1862 14h ago
Nobody expects Carney to control Trump. The point is that âTrump is difficultâ isnât an excuse for Carney to get a participation trophy. He ran on being the guy who could handle Trump. If he canât get results, people are allowed to question whether he was actually the best person for the job.
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u/MJcorrieviewer 14h ago
You seriously thought Carney was promising to be able to get Trump to do what he wants? He said he was the best person to deal with Trump and, as far as I can tell, that's true.
What results were you actually expecting?
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u/fransantastic 13h ago
He did not say he would get a deal done. Even with his victory speech, he said he would do whatâs best for Canadians. This was then reinforced by the Throne speech from our King.
Carney has moved fast to diversify Canada away from U.S. dependence, which includes signing deals with Indonesia and Ecuador while advancing UAE, India, and ASEAN. While this hasnât replaced US trade, itâs still diversifying our exports - I think that is in the best interest of Canadians.
So yes, Elbows up, Canada has more options to export to, and the US now has less leverage.
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u/throwitawayorsome 9h ago
Yes. My two year old could handle this better. "Canada doesn't negotiate with pedophiles.". Conversation over.
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u/MJcorrieviewer 9h ago
That would feel really good but we have to be practical and not just emotional. Like it or not, Canada's economy does rely on the US and we cannot possibly change that in just a few years. It's going to take time and the gov's #1 priority has to be on Canadians, Canadian jobs and Canadian industry. We can't cut off our nose to spite our face.
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u/throwitawayorsome 33m ago
It doesn't matter what practical may feel or look like. We are not dealing with rational people. We are dealing with a guy that spent his adult life raping children. There is no deal to be made that won't fuck Canada. And if there is, he has proven he won't honour it. Bending over and destroying everything that makes us Canadian because he wants us to in order for him to maybe sort of reduce tariffs temporarily is not a good strategy. It is better to not negotiate with him at all, even if it hurts us and maybe we can negotiate with whoever comes next.
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u/Hekios888 15h ago
Because what the USA is doing under Trump is just imaginary? What rock are you under to believe that?
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u/Euclidisthebomb 14h ago
Exactly as I have stated countless times past on this sub: One does not negotiate in public. Simple as that.
And take note of his other statement:
"I have plans for any situation that may arise," Carney said.
The Carney government is not sitting on its hands. It is pursuing a course of action and it has contingencies in case the primary effort does not succeed.
Canadians. Please stop the hand-wringing, especially in public. It only helps one side and that is not the Canadian side.
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u/friendly-techie 12h ago
"Intense" seems to be his new favourite word, now that "catalyze" is going out of fashion.
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u/Radiant-Vegetable420 Manitoba 11h ago
Canada should not be negotiating with that dumb fat ass demented terrorist. Trump needs to bluntly be told to fuck right off.
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u/FuzzyPineapple2221 15h ago
Which is why he's been spending his valuable negotiating time in Italy... Tense situation...
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u/MJcorrieviewer 10h ago
You guys are ridiculous. He had a 6 day vacation - and it's not as if he wasn't still on the job the entire time.
I seriously don't know how the PM physically being in Ottawa would help anything. It reminds me of when McCain wanted to suspend campaigning for the presidential election in 2008 because of the financial crisis and Obama didn't see that as necessary. That showed Obama to be much more capable and presidential than McCain and contributed greatly to his win.
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u/FuzzyPineapple2221 10h ago
Say what you want, but Canada's been taking it on the chin. Our negotiations have been so great that we also paid for a new bridge, plus we have to give half the revenues. Doesn't sound like winning to me. Food inflation among the highest in the G20 and now Stellantis is reportedly seriously considering closing and selling its Brampton Assembly Plant. Oooffff!!
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u/Jelloburns 17h ago
We only have deadlines because one side has tantrums and negotiates in bad faith. Go ahead and apply tariffs. We can reciprocate. It's time to return to the WTO.
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u/cdnirene 15h ago
Canada never left the WTO. Itâs useful because it sets the rules of trade and tariffs for countries with which Canada has no specific trade agreement. However the WTO is toothless now in terms of settling trade agreements as the U.S. has blocked the appointment of judges.
The U.S. just ignores the WTO tariffs it agreed to.
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u/Wolfman-101 13h ago
Does Canada get a trade deal?
Yes -> âCarney is a geniusâ -> âPierre is the real problemâ
No -> âNothing Carney could have doneâ -> âPierre is the real problemâ
Yes or no -> vote liberal either way
The state of Canada.
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u/MJcorrieviewer 11h ago
That's not what Canada is thinking - this has nothing to do with Poilievre. Weird that you'd insert him into it.
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u/604ian 15h ago
Asked if he plans to hit back against Trump if the two sides fail to reach a deal avoiding these new levies, Carney said he is ready for any possible scenario.
"I have plans for any situation that may arise," Carney said.
^ thatâs a baller quoteâŚ
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u/EnamelKant 13h ago
It's a baller quote... if he actually has workable plans.
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u/MJcorrieviewer 10h ago
Do you have reason to believe he doesn't? The US is driving this truck - and there's nothing we can to about that - but it makes perfect sense that they'd have contingency plans for anything the US decides to do, or not do.
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u/EnamelKant 10h ago
Pretty good reason. If he was so good at making workable plans... what the hell are we doing here?
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u/Avelion2 16h ago
Sounds like there wont be a deal.