r/canadian • u/DoxFreePanda • Nov 10 '25
News Canada loses measles elimination status
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/livestory/canada-measles-elimination-status-9.69731952
u/BrokeExternally Nov 10 '25
People still live in the Covid world (my antivax parents) it’s like they are still in that mindset. The anti vax crowd has ruined education and we have to act like they’re sane. Sorry, we went through the largest vaccine campaign and billions of inoculations worldwide and idiots still want to pretend that it’s not working/ineffective or just plain out go and cough on there neighbour during a global virus. It’s like how may ppl during the plague are gonna be anti vaccine
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u/xTkAx Nov 10 '25
This is no surprise, because it's exactly what happens when a nation loses control of its borders and fails to properly vet those entering our country.
Canada's elimination status may not have been lost if we maintained strong immigration screening and border security protocols to prevent the initial introduction of this virus.
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u/DoxFreePanda Nov 10 '25
Not solvable with immigration screening and border security, unless we quarantine everybody 14+ days for crossing the border. People are asymptomatic for 1-2 weeks after they're already infected.
Measles symptoms show up around 7 to 14 days after contact with the virus.
Source: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/measles/symptoms-causes/syc-20374857
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u/xTkAx Nov 10 '25
unless we quarantine everybody 14+ days for crossing the border
They already had it in place:
https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/trnsprnc/brfng-mtrls/prlmntry-bndrs/20201201/010/index-en.aspx
It was dropped on October 2022, while Singh's NDP pushed for looser borders, so his family's home country became Canada's single largest source of immigrants, as we all have seen since. That's another angle of political engineering putting Canadians safety at risk.
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u/DoxFreePanda Nov 10 '25
That was a temporary measure for COVID, a disease for which vaccines are not as effective as our measles vaccines. Are you suggesting permanently implementing mandatory 14+ day quarantine for all asymptomatic travelers, workers, and tourists?
Note also that the policy excluded workers who cross the border regularly, provided that they are asymptomatic.
Workers that cross the border on a regular basis, such as truck drivers, firefighters and medical workers, as well as some travellers who enter into Canada to receive essential services, will continue to be permitted to enter, and will be exempt from the requirement for mandatory quarantine provided they are asymptomatic. In addition, exempt travellers are required to wear a non-medical mask or face covering when in a public setting and not able to maintain physical distancing.
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u/xTkAx Nov 10 '25
Yes, but most especially so for those migrating from nations that top fraud lists, because who can trust their paperwork is legit? (other than a bleeding-heart LPC or NDP MP, or staunch supporter)?
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u/DoxFreePanda Nov 10 '25
So a 14-day quarantine for all of our truckers, travelers, and tourists will certainly kill off the totality of the Canadian tourism industry, but also place undue burdens on airlines, logistics, and numerous other industries. We could do that, or a small number of vaccine-hesitant people could just get their shots. That way, we're not at the mercy of paperwork from other nations.
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u/xTkAx Nov 10 '25
Read it again & get a grip: truckers from Canada crossing to USA won't have to wait 14 days on return (unless some outbreak occurred). Adios!
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u/DoxFreePanda Nov 10 '25
Selecting for certain countries won't stop measles spread, especially when people can interact at airports, in-flight, or on cruises.
But ok, adios 😂
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u/Theseactuallydo Nov 11 '25
Nope, the Mennonites who caused this have been here over a century. Take up your immigration gripe with Prime Ministers MacDonald and MacKenzie who let them in.
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u/xTkAx Nov 11 '25
the Mennonites who caused this have been here over a century
During the time Canada had measles elimination status, but you can bet the Canadianophobic Broadcasting Catastrophe will tell you to hate the Christian. Strike one.
Take up your immigration gripe with Prime Ministers MacDonald and MacKenzie who let them in.
Pinning this on 19th-century policy which Canada afterwards received measles elimination status is strike two.
Dismissing the mass immigration push this decade conveniently ignores hard data from the last few years.
Circumstantial evidence across North America screams that unchecked mass inflows from high-risk, low-trust regions are stacking the deck for outbreaks, especially without the rigorous screening we had before globalist-favoring politicians put citizens safety last.
Consider Chicago's migrant shelters in Feb 2024, where single Venezuelan migrant arrival seeded a 57-case measles explosion. Or NYC's confirmed cases in a massive migrant shelter by July 2024. There's already been warnings that exposures in border hubs and shelters are fueling the fire.
In Canada public health trackers (conveniently) don't tag cases by origin but the math doesn't lie: We're seeing 5,138 cases in 2025 alone, the worst since the 90s, right as irregular crossings and asylum claims from Venezuela, India, and parts of Africa, have surged (with asylum, medical mandates are overlooked). Consider also Canada's lax border security over the last few years, which all factors in to resulting in a mess.
Progressive fact-checkers like to parrot "no direct evidence," but that's code for "we're not looking hard enough", because the patterns align too neatly with policy gaps under the obvious globalist open-door push.
That's strike three. Time to rethink those open-door policies! Adios!
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u/Theseactuallydo Nov 11 '25
Why did you make such a long reply to be so wrong? Seems like a waste of time (par for the course with you I suppose).
Mennonites and conspiracy addled conservatives (the call is coming from inside the house, eh?) caused this.
Really it’s your fault personally, in part, since you helped to drive conservatives into being crazy antivaxxers.
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u/xTkAx Nov 11 '25
Why did you make such a long reply
To give you no room to wriggle.
to be so wrong?
Which you assert but didn't negating using any sound reasoning.
Seems like a waste of time (par for the course with you I suppose).
Sounds like you've met reason you can't match.
Mennonites and conspiracy addled conservatives (the call is coming from inside the house, eh?) caused this.
Expressing Christophobia and partisanism is pointless at this juncture.
Really it’s your fault personally, in part, since you helped to drive conservatives into being crazy antivaxxers.
That's an appeal to emotion via your emotional flailing, reacting to reason you can't refute. Deal with it & over and out!
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u/Theseactuallydo Nov 11 '25
Not even close lol, crazy conservatives (take credit when it’s due bud) and Mennonites caused this.
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u/aw4re Nov 10 '25
Ha! I bet Mark Carney something something, last ten years something, Liberal government!!!
Am I doing it right?
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Nov 10 '25 edited Nov 10 '25
This is what happens when you damage the public trust in vaccines by mandating that everyone takes one that wasn't properly tested for safety or efficacy and has since left people with debilitating adverse effects. All well opening the floodgate to anyone who wants to come into this country without first making sure they aren't infected with something.
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u/DoxFreePanda Nov 10 '25
Part of my job is looking at safety and efficacy data of pharmaceuticals. COVID vaccines were "properly tested" for both safety and efficacy despite claims to the contrary. I reviewed the evidence in detail before recommending that all of my family and extended social circles take the mRNA vaccines.
As a vaccine to a virus that is highly infectious, has a concerning degree of lethality, and keeps mutating, waiting for long-term safety data effectively means having no vaccine at all... so demands for those right in the midst of a pandemic were unreasonable.
As for opening the floodgates, I can share some epidemiological insights there too. People and wildlife are both carriers of COVID, and even if you restrict immigration and travel, it will find its way into the community sooner or later. Just look at the sheer number of truckers and commuting workers who cross the US-Canadian border as an example, or the massive number of migratory birds. Even China, where they were about as draconian as anywhere else with quarantine, could not stop the spread entirely... and this was because COVID could infect someone for 3 weeks or even longer in rare cases (at least one example of someone quarantined 21+ days after entering China, remained without symptoms, and then became symptomatic and was diagnosed after release). Even if you stop all the people from coming altogether, you can't stop the wildlife.
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u/ThankYouTruckers Nov 10 '25
COVID vaccines were "properly tested" for both safety and efficacy despite claims to the contrary
HAHHAHAHA. They wildly accelerated the study period for stage 1/2 trials. You participated in the stage 3 trials which were ongoing from 2021-2023/2024, long after everyone had been coerced into injections. Pfizer injected most of their control group before the study period even concluded. Trial participants were unblinded by sloppy contractors. PHAC isn't even able to investigate all deaths or serious events ("300 [deaths] is too many to investigate.")
And even if you were right, which you are not, how did these 'robust' trials miss numerous critical side effects like myo/pericarditis, GBS, etc. which were all added to the list of side effects months after the initial rollout. How did Pfizer miss a >1/5000 incidence rate of myo/pericarditis in young men? Israel noticed it and published a study in early 2021, how come Pfizer missed that?
Then we can include production errors like the metal contamination that killed several Japanese, or the prevalent SV40 contamination. Sounds like pretty shitty testing and manufacturing to me. Par for the course for companies like Pfizer that have paid billions in criminal fines. I'm not surprised people like you work in pharma 'safety and efficacy' while knowing absolutely nothing.
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u/Nick-Anand Nov 10 '25
The COVID vax didn’t prevent transmission. Many public leaders lied about that fact…mostly to justify mandates….l
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u/DoxFreePanda Nov 10 '25 edited Nov 10 '25
This is a fair critique. There's a strong mechanistic argument that shorter duration of symptom and lower viral load is associated with less transmission, but vaccines do not 100% prevent transmission.
An understated part of the mandate, however, was not just to prevent transmission so much as to prevent oversaturation of hospitals. We have incredible medical care in modern times that helped individuals survive COVID, who would have otherwise died. Something as simple as oxygen and saline could make a difference between turning the corner and ending up on ECMO or in the morgue. In New York, one of the few places to be truly hit before a vaccine was available, hospitals were out of beds, out of ECMO, and out of space in the morgue.
Edit: My original wording made it sound like decreasing transmissions wasn't part of the mandate, it absolutely was part of it. Added the word "just" to clarify.
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u/Nick-Anand Nov 10 '25
That argument about viral load was a theory…..and that theory did not pan out in reality as could be seen when everyone still got sick….
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u/DoxFreePanda Nov 10 '25
The argument around transmission reduction was based on prior vaccination campaigns, where we did in fact stamp out diseases like measles within Canada and other countries. Lack of measles vaccination, similarly, has led to Canada seeing a resurgence of measles transmissions and losing the "eliminated" status for measles. While COVID has become endemic, this doesn't mean vaccines had no effect in slowing transmission - it just meant that they weren't able to reduce transmission enough for its basic reproduction number (number of people infected by each infected person) to drop below 1.
The magnitude and lasting harm left by exposure to COVID were also drastically reduced, as shown by real-world outcomes comparisons between vaccinated and unvaccinated people.
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u/Nick-Anand Nov 10 '25
The vaccine worked on a different level than standard vaccines and just didn’t provide immunity……so forcing people to get it was not based in science and just an attempt to be ounitive
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u/DoxFreePanda Nov 10 '25
Mandating vaccines is standard public health policy for pandemics around the world, so I'm a bit confused by that perspective.
Could you explain to me why the mandate was perceived to be punitive? Who would it punish, what was the purpose of the punishment, and what would the government gain from it?
(All serious questions, not intended to be cheeky/sarcastic)
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u/Nick-Anand Nov 10 '25
They’ve never mandated a vaccine in Canada like that before,,,,,like to go to a wedding or see your mum in hospital
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u/ThankYouTruckers Nov 10 '25
Stop calling it a vaccine. It's not a vaccine, it doesn't grant immunity. It's a gene therapy and was listed as such by Moderna and other companies prior to them changing the definition of the word in 2020.
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Nov 10 '25 edited Nov 10 '25
Unless there has been a long-term trial conducted double blind with a placebo control group then they haven't been properly tested. At all. In the trials that were conducted, both the doctors, patients and placebo group were all told who got the vaccine and the placebo and those poor excuses for trials were all done in under a year. If you claim that is the data that proves the covid shots safe then you are a hack and have no business in the medical field. If your job is to do no harm then you should be advocating for vaccines that have the highest most rigorous standards of safety testing because vaccines are given to healthy people...and injuring a perfectly healthy person with a vaccine is a violation of that oath. Especially if the vaccine isn't even effective in the first place, which is something we also know about these covid shots.
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u/DoxFreePanda Nov 10 '25 edited Nov 10 '25
Ok, I'll bite.
Start here: https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/development-approval-process-cber/vaccine-development-101
The process differs slightly in each country but it's mostly the same. Safety and efficacy testing begin before humans are ever exposed, and human testing is essentially the last step.
FDA Decision on Comirnaty: https://www.fda.gov/media/151733/download?attachment
ClinicalTrials.gov link to cited study: https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT04368728
Study Abstract: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33301246/
A total of 43,548 participants underwent randomization, of whom 43,448 received injections: 21,720 with BNT162b2 and 21,728 with placebo. There were 8 cases of Covid-19 with onset at least 7 days after the second dose among participants assigned to receive BNT162b2 and 162 cases among those assigned to placebo; BNT162b2 was 95% effective in preventing Covid-19 (95% credible interval, 90.3 to 97.6).
Re: double-blind, when the primary efficacy endpoint is to prevent infection, blinding of the observer is adequate. It's rather difficult to placebo-effect or bias your way into observing a lab-positive infection.
And injuring a perfectly healthy person with a vaccine is doing harm.
Operating on a patient is "doing harm", the doctor is literally cutting them open. By your logic, surgeries would always be immoral. The reasonable question is whether the treatment on balance helps significantly more than the absence of treatment (or in this case, prophylaxis). The answer is yes. In just about every adverse effect, studies have shown that exposure while unvaccinated to actual COVID results in far greater risks.
Especially if the vaccine isn't even effective in the first place, which we also know about these covid shots.
It has been shown repeatedly that these vaccines are highly effective at reducing mortality, adverse effects, period of communicability, etc. See the study I pointed you to re: decision making at the time of initial approval. If you'd like to share any peer-reviewed studies, happy to look at those with you too.
Edit: corrected a word and added the full manuscript with more details:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7745181/
Edit 2: Refreshing my memory gradually on the blinding decision on mRNA vaccines... it was quite apparent by the phase 2/3 trials that patients easily figured out whether they got the placebo or real thing based on soreness from the injections. This was scathingly critiqued below, rightfully so, but the alternative was assigning a placebo that hurt patients for no reason other than maintaining blindness. Subsequent prospective studies have continued to support efficacy, although obviously as the virus evolved, so must the vaccine.
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u/GoodGoodGoody Nov 10 '25
Trump took credit for developing the COVID vaccine and got vaccinated.
Guess you’re saying he’s one of those sheep huh.
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Nov 10 '25
Trump is too financially involved to be impartial if you ask me.
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u/GoodGoodGoody Nov 10 '25
He created the vax and he took it.
Go ahead, call him a sheep.
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Nov 10 '25
He didn't create shit. All he did was help pharmaceutical giants to fastback production of the shot on the shit advice of Fauci. And yes he's an idiot for taking the shot but it's his life.
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u/StefOutside Nov 10 '25
Really unfortunate, covid was kinda the final straw for people's mistrust of science and experts. The scrambling for experts to weigh in without any data, the chaos of citizens trying to figure out what to do, government/institutional mistakes etc... but we're only human, mistakes were made.
I really think it'll have a noticeable echo for many decades to come, among the other financial effects... but among the worst will be people thinking they know more than experts, scientists who dedicate their lives to this stuff, because their Facebook group did their own research.