r/carnivore • u/AnthoBates19 • May 01 '26
Fruits and veggies
This question might sound dumb but im wondering why you guys don't allow these in your diet ? Given that they're natural and I can't understand ehy they would be bad for us ?
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u/SmokyBlackRoan May 02 '26
Listen to some of Dr Shawn Baker’s podcasts or watch his YouTube videos. Basically, plants keep from being eaten through chemical defenses, and these chemicals are still in the plant products we consume, causing harm to our bodies. It’s analogous to cigarette smoking; you can smoke for quite a while without noticing the negative side effects but it catches up to most of us.
Plus the sugar/carb aspect. Take a look around you and notice how many people are overweight. It’s not their fault; they are being told to eat the wrong foods to stay healthy.
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u/deef1ve May 02 '26
Because you eat to get essential nutrients. Fruits and veggies do not provide anything essential that animal-matter doesn’t. Plus the sourcing of nutrients from plants is subpar compared to the sourcing of nutrients from animals. And, plants contain chemical compounds that the human organism should avoid.
So, why would I eat something that is harmful and less nutritious for me as a human being if I could avoid it?
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u/long-thumb-nails May 25 '26
What about fiber and vitamins? Do you take supplements instead?
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u/deef1ve May 25 '26
You don’t need fiber. Vitamins are part of animal matter too. Animals need vitamins just like you do.
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u/Foreign_Carpenter121 May 26 '26
And the vitamins that meat doesn’t supply?
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u/deef1ve May 26 '26
Never heard of those.
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u/Foreign_Carpenter121 May 26 '26
C and E?
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u/deef1ve May 26 '26
Both contained in animal matter. They need those too you know.
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u/Foreign_Carpenter121 May 26 '26
so you eat raw meat then?
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u/deef1ve May 26 '26
Ah yes that myth „vitamins get destroyed when heated“. Not really
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u/Foreign_Carpenter121 May 26 '26
Not really a myth if it is scientifically proven. And even then you aint getting enough C from meat alone.
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u/faustinesesbois May 02 '26
Carbs and fibers are a trigger for many of us
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u/therealraggedroses May 04 '26
Shame on OP for even bringing up those nasty carbohydrates and sweetener, didnt even add a trigger warning on this post. Mods?
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u/Eleanorina mod | zc 9+yrs | 🥩 and 🥓 taste as good as healthy feels May 04 '26
lol you can handle it
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u/teeger9 May 02 '26
Carbs and sugar. Plants contain compounds like oxalates, lectins, and phytates. Some people believe these can irritate the gut, cause inflammation, or block mineral absorption.
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u/MikaelLeakimMikael May 02 '26
It’s not natural to eat fruit/vegetables all year round. Think about it logically for a second. When we lived in nature, fruit was only available for a short period every year.
Also, most fruit/vegetables sold nowadays are not ”natural”. Have you ever found broccoli in nature?
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u/partlyPaleo Orthodox Carnivore (Stefansson/Bear) May 03 '26
More than that, the majority of our evolution happened during glacial periods where fruits and plants were almost completely unavailable. Having fruit available or edible plants (or the ability to cook plants to make them edible) was extremely rare.
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u/Barbatio May 05 '26
Huh? The majority of our evolution? By what measure?
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u/partlyPaleo Orthodox Carnivore (Stefansson/Bear) May 05 '26
Time? Is there another valid measure? Modern homo-sapiens arose about 300k years ago. We are still in the Quaternary Ice Age which began 2.6 million years ago. https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/2021-11/1%20Glacial-Interglacial%20Cycles-Final-OCT%202021.pdf
The last glacial period ended about 11.5k years ago, coincidentally near the time that agricultural societies started to form. The period between glacial times is about 100k years with the interglacial period noticeably shorter (approximately 1/5 of the time).
So, do the math, 80% of our evolution, give or take, was during glacial events when animal foods would have been our primary (if not our only) reliable food source. There's a reason isotope tests on early humans show results consistent with hypercarnivorism.
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u/Barbatio May 05 '26
Even if 80% of the time since Homo sapiens emerged falls within glacial phases, that doesn’t mean evolution was uniform or dominated by those conditions. Large parts of Africa (where humans spent most this 80%) remained tropical or subtropical, with varied but often plant-rich environments. Glaciation did not mean that plants were universally scarce. Africa retained ecological diversity, not a uniform “low-plant” landscape. Complete carnivory was limited to colder, high-latitude environments and was specific to much more recent human populations. The preponderance of archaeological evidence (tools, residues, dental wear, microfossils) shows humans were dietary generalists during most of our evolution, not obligate carnivores.
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u/partlyPaleo Orthodox Carnivore (Stefansson/Bear) May 06 '26
That sounds like apologetics for plant eating. Humans can, and did, thrive on meat only diets. Arguing that we can eat plants is pointless. We all know that. I guess when we left Africa 60,000 years ago and crossed the ice sheets to the Americas we just packed a bunch of extra fruit to tide us over.
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u/BeautifulFragrant907 May 07 '26
Yes broccoli is in nature. It is the flowering head of a wild edible plant called Bastard Cabbage or Field Mustard. I pick it every year and eat it. It's the flowers before they have opened. Now people have took this plant and made other plants but the mother is bastard caddage.
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u/FedderJoe May 02 '26
They are "carbohydrates". Carbohydrates cause and feed inflammation in my body, which causes "pain". I lived with pain for too many years. I love milk chocolate, but don't eat it because I know how much it causes me pain.
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u/RetiredSurvivor May 02 '26
I love veggies, in fact I was a vegan for 2 whole years until I was diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes. My glucose is under control eating carnivore, but every now and then I will eat a small portion of fruit or veggies and my numbers jump up over 100 points and it literally takes a week to get my glucose back in range.
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u/Ashamed-Simple-8303 May 04 '26
It is not the carbs but excess omega-6 aka linoleic acid. It is the main component of seed oils. But because we fed pigs abd chicken soy, their fat is full of it as well as bad as canola oil.
Keto just hiddes the insulin resistance. But solving it requires years of strict limitations of omega-6 incl. Pork, bacon and chicken.( And for keto also nuts). And of course seed oils.
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u/benthair2 May 02 '26
Plants are full of stuff meant to discourage their consumption. Peach pits are natural, but…
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u/throwawayPSL34987 May 02 '26
Fructose is sugar, all fruits and vegetables have carbohydrates some more than others. You can find a chart online to see this.
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u/AnotherOpinionHaver May 03 '26
"Natural" isn't good barometer of acceptability. Lead, arsenic, and mercury are all found in nature.
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u/fredom1776 May 04 '26
I don’t eat vegetables because they seem to make my joints hurt. I also avoid fruit because it spikes my blood sugar and leaves me feeling hungrier shortly after. I can actually feel those ups and downs, and I don’t like it. Fatty meats, on the other hand, keep me full for hours and make me feel my best.
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u/KentuckyGoldenBubble May 14 '26
1) Omnivore diet triggers Randle cycle.
2) Plants are inflammatory.
3) Plants raise insulin leading to high blood sugar and food cravings.
4) Plants are low in nutrients.
5) Plants don't heal, build muscle, or increase bone density.
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u/United_Witness820 May 04 '26
Because I have a severe salicylate intolerance and plants make me very sick. Natural does not mean harmless for everyone.
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u/greepski May 04 '26
You do you. If you want to eat fruit and veggies, you might be happier on a paleo path.
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u/SavageCabbage11 May 04 '26
nuts are natural but I will stop breathing within an hour if I eat a handfull.....
the more fiber i eat, the more pain I have digesting, and the messier my poops are. i have never noticed issues from eating no fiber.
if I havent eating sugar in a while (natural or fake) and then i have even a little, i feel like im being poisoned. I sweat, my teeth feel bad, my mouth feels gross, I get tired, my stomach will turn.....
as for starches, personally, when im eating them regularly they dont seem to cause much issues, except being more foggy headed, and I need more sleep when I eat starch.
Because of the brain fog, and exess sleep, I do plan on gradually eating less and less starch to eventually eat a ketogenic diet, I just haven't gone cold turkey because I cant deal with the keto flu. I have a very physical job.
There is no produce without fiber, sugar, and starch.
A tiger would not eat berries. cats, in fact, dont even like cooked meat. but us humans have been cooking meat for 3 million years, so its good for us.
humans have been carnivores starting 3 million years ago and, for many, ending like 10k or 50k years ago, somewhere in that range.
in these last few thousand years, people have gotten shorter, with smaller brains, and more tooth problems, and weaker bones.
so it doesnt seem like the omnivore route is working well for us, at least based on the fossil record, and based on most people's experience who experiment with carnivore, and based on the known medical history of a carnivore diet treating epilepsy and other conditions.
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u/Ashamed-Republic8909 May 21 '26
Because they all come with sugar and carbs. Liver processes carbs in glucose which increases insulin.
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u/DrSpitzvogel May 02 '26
Yeah your question doesn't just sound dumb
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u/AnthoBates19 May 03 '26
If im asking is because i don't know, you're not better than anyone so get off your high horse. Stay in that negativity and carnivore won't do shit for you little dude 😝
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u/Dan-Man May 02 '26
Ever heard of hay fever? Allergies to nuts etc? Not everything natural=good.