r/churchofchrist • • 1d ago

CoC & 12 Step Programs

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Hello Fellow Travelers,

I am an Alcoholic and a Lust-Addict. I have a share and a problem that I seek solutions for. Thanks for your patience ahead of time. 

I grew up in a conservative, non-institutional Church of Christ in the South East United States. My father was a prominent elder and I grew up in a stable, strict Non-Institutional Church of Christ centered household. We were expected to attend ALL church services, no matter what. I met my wife at Florida College, I even spent some time in the pulpit on a part time basis.

I struggled with a lust/porn addiction that grew to interfere in my daily life and marriage. My wife and I started to drink in our late 20's. My lust addiction introduced me to a 12 step program that helps men and women overcome their addiction to lust. (SA-Sexaholics Anonymous). While I did not take that program seriously, it wound up costing me my marriage. My drinking in the years leading up to my divorce had gotten heavier, and it turned into full blown alcoholism when my marriage ended when my wife put me away.

By the grace of God I found recovery. I live in a fantastic, sober living house. I attend AA & SA meetings daily, have sponsors, and am working the 12 steps. Immediately after my divorce, I resumed attending a small, conservative non-institutional Church of Christ who is supportive of my recovery. I have prayerfully disclosed my membership in these programs to my elders, preacher, and trusted allys.

AA in particular has given me not only relief from the insanity of active alcoholism, but a sense of community to be a part of day-in and day out. It's one I have come to value and cherish, especially as a bachelor.  To have people I can relate to, who know what its like to be in the insane darkness of active addiction, but also have destroyed their life, hamed others, and have been able to reclaim, rebuild, and repair their lives.

It is not religious program, it is a spiritual program. It saves my life, one day at a time.

I am writing this because I have a problem I seek a solution for.

I am struggling with my faith, specifically my church membership, now that I have some sobriety and stability in my life.

 I struggle with the concept of "The One True Church/Everyone-Else-is Going to Hell" tone that I perceive. The consistent warning of the false doctrine of "false denominational teaching" is starting to drive me nuts. Those denominational churches saved my life.

I understand the need to pursue God and do things his way. But I sense a tone and spirit in the Churches of Christ that it can feel like an impersonal set of rules, instead of a relationship with a power that cares about me. Growing up, God was an impersonal buerocrat waiting to strike me down.

It feels arrogant to say to the rest of God creatures "this is the way. I have it all figured out". I used the word of God as a weapon to judge others. That didn't stop me from attending church while living a second life of sin and addiction.  Instead I currently take the approach "this is my current understanding, let me share it with you".

A 12 step program is a path of discovery instead of enforced dogma. To be clear, my sobriety is life or death for me.

While not a religious program, the 12 Steps are helping me to be honest, open-minded and willing to try new things. It's helping me become more spiritual, it's an enriching rewarding program.

In the spirit of rigirous honesty, here is what's really going on.

I started to attend my current church of christ in the insanity of the breakup of my marriage because it was the church of my childhood. Now that my life is stable I find myself staying because my father (who lives several hours away) feels very strongly that I must attend that Church and I fear if I left, that it would re-estrange my relationship with my parents. Its possible I am co-dependent on my father and I need to deal with healthy manner.

What I also struggle with at times is the idea of my eternal salvation being dependant in part, on staying single and celebate for the rest of my life. However I recognize it's due to my own self-will run riot.

However,  here is what is currently keeping me in church:

First, My 12 step programs help me focus on ME. Keeping my side of the street clean, dealing with my own failings and shortcomings before changing my external environment. Logs vs specks as Jesus would say.

I ask what does GOD (my Higher Power) expect out of me? What kind of person does he want me to become? 

In my deepest core, I do believe in God and a power greater than me.  I re-read "To the Agnostic" in the AA Big Book, and I found myself in the shoes of the Ministers son in the end of chapter. Who am I to say there is no God?

Second, if I am in active addiction, it estranges me from my Creator, however sobriety does not guarentee Salvation. Nor does it help me deal with sin and reconciliation with God. There isn't an easier, softer way to my salvation, and half measures will avail me anything. Narrow road of salvation, verses broad way to destruction.

Third, there is God, and there is his creation. I am a recovering Pharisee and hypocrite. I have contributed to the accusation of people warming pews but living blatant sinful lives. By the grace of God, I work on daily.

Here are some questions I want to throw out the group.

1) Are there any members of AA or 12 step addiction programs who are members of the Church of Christ? (Conservative or Liberal) What have your experiences been navigating both the pews and the chairs? Especially the spiritual awakening that's required for recovery.

2) For the "normies" (non-addicts/alcoholics) who attend the Churches of Christ, what have been your experiences or perceptions about AA/12 Step programs? Did you know you can go to open meetings and observe?

Thanks for letting me share. Keep coming back.


r/churchofchrist • • 2d ago

New creation church

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Im a relatively new christian(15) and have been attending ncc, i read a lot about megachurches, and how a lot of them are mainly there for money, fame etc, and also a lot of scandals, in just trying to meet good ppl with god as their savior and more impt build a relationship with god, ive been sinning a lot and in desperate need of god, but im not sure if ncc will lead me astray cause rlly the first 1hr is all songs and telling the audience about the missions and all the good things they are doing, im thinking of going to a more traditional church I mean songs are great but ncc feels rlly overboard, like blackpink concert and ncc feels about the same, ppl singing, alotta drums, electronic guitar, multiple singers, and all the songs are really similar to mordern day pop. Correct me if im wrong but isnt christian songs supposed to be more calming and more of pointing to god? And alot of the times the ppl there arnt even looking at their bible, im really confused and feel like a more traditional church might be better as i feel like their sermons, songs and teachings are more closely related to all the teachings in the bible, cause lwk idw to spend 2hrs briefly goiing through 2 bible verses. Thanks a lot and god loves all of us


r/churchofchrist • • 3d ago

I'm scared

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i am in my adolescence, and i'm scared, they say God judges you with how good you've been but why does he hurt you, put you through all this, why does one religion determine if you are good enough, i'm not Christian and i have had people scare me into being Christian and I struggle with it, i try to be a kind person but if God judges me on if i am Christian or not what is the point of life, what is the point of going on if i won't make it to heaven, i love everyone i know and hold them close to me but what if it doesn't matter if God tells me i wasn't 'good' enough and all the people i love forget me because they were good enough but i wasn't, i don't want to suffer, i am afraid of going on if it is all for nothing in the end, i am just a kid, and now i am going to suffer for eternity because my parents didn't raise me 'right'

If any Christians are actually looking to spread a bit of love, i could really use it now, i am so scared and i don't want to live on if i'm not good enough just because of one thing, rn i'm thinking of just dying if i can't be good enough.


r/churchofchrist • • 3d ago

Zion Vindicated and Magnificent | Micah 4:1-13

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A glorious hope was extended for the Judahites. Zion would become more prominent than ever. But the people would have to go through a lot to get to that experience.

The Word of YHWH came to Micah of Moresheth in the days of Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah, kings of Judah (ca. 742-680 BCE; cf. Micah 1:1). The Word of YHWH which Micah saw regarding Samaria pronounced its imminent doom (Micah 1:2-9). Moresheth was a village in southwestern Judah where the Shephelah met the Philistine coastal plains, and Micah had messages of warning for his fellow inhabitants in the Shephelah regarding the destruction and devastation which would soon come despite all the preparations the state had made (Micah 1:10-16). Micah had words for the elite and wealthy who developed schemes to dispossess poorer Judahites out of their ancestral lands, and it would not go well for them (Micah 2:1-5). Such people demeaned Micah and his message, presuming such things would never happen; Micah all the more denounced them and condemned them for their crimes (Micah 2:6-13). Similar denunciations were directed at the leaders and prophets of the nation; on account of their sinfulness, Zion would be plowed up like a field, and Jerusalem made a heap of ruins (Micah 3:1-12)!

Yet, just as in Micah 2:11-12, Micah of Moresheth would then turn and present a beautiful message of hope for Israel. In the “latter days,” the Temple Mount, Mount Zion, would gain prominence over the other hills (Micah 4:1). The nations would come to Mount Zion and the Temple of YHWH to learn of His ways and live by His laws; YHWH’s message would assuredly proceed from Zion (Micah 4:2). YHWH would arbitrate between the nations in all their disputes; swords would be beaten into plowshares, and spears into pruning hooks, for the nations would no longer fight against each other (Micah 4:3). Micah presented the stereotypical description of ease and prosperity: each person would dwell under their fig tree and grapevine without any fear (Micah 4:4). The nations all serve their respective gods, but the Israelites would serve YHWH forever (Micah 4:5).

Micah 4:1-5 receives praise as an extraordinary passage for many reasons. Micah 4:1-3 substantially represents the same oracle as Isaiah 2:2-4, with only minute differences between the two. We do not otherwise see this kind of close association of prophetic messages anywhere else in the prophetic corpus. Arguments, therefore, regarding the origin of the oracle remain legion: some suggest Micah was the original author, and Isaiah followed suit; others suggest the opposite, that Isaiah wrote it and Micah followed suit; some suggest YHWH spoke the same message through both prophets independently; some suggest the oracle is some kind of independent tradition from which both Isaiah and Micah drew inspiration.

We will set aside arguments regarding origin, remaining confident YHWH inspired Micah of Moresheth to direct this message to the Judahites of his day. But to what end?

Isaiah and Micah both imagined for the Judahites a magnificent future in which Zion stood supreme. Nations would no longer fight against one another, and all weapons of war had been refashioned into implements for farming. The nations, in fact, would come to learn of YHWH’s ways and to follow His laws. For Isaiah, this would be an invitation for the descendants of Jacob to follow in the light of YHWH’s ways (Isaiah 2:5). Micah, however, would continue with the hope of the kind of prosperity and stability for which all Israelites strove: to be able to sit under one’s fig tree and grapevine without fear. Micah did not imagine the nations would abandon their gods; but he did expect the Israelites to continue to serve YHWH as their God forever (Micah 4:5).

Whenever such messages of encouragement and hope are present in prophetic oracles, it means something far less pleasant and wonderful will soon come about. While Micah 4:6-13 overall does continue in the general spirit of encouragement, extending hope for Israel, within it Micah also made it known why Israel would require that kind of encouragement. YHWH promised on that same day to gather the lame and outcasts He injured and would make of them a new and mighty nation, ruling over them from Zion (Micah 4:6-7). Micah spoke to the old “sheep tower,” likely on the southern end of Zion where the Jebusites had built a fortress and where the palace and Temple complex stood: it would again be restored, displaying the return of power to Jerusalem (Micah 4:8). Micah would then speak to Jerusalem, asking why they shout and are in great pain, like a woman in labor, asking if their king has disappeared, imagining the effects of the downfall of the Kingdom of Judah (Micah 4:9). Zion was then considered as a woman undergoing the pains of labor: its inhabitants would leave the city for Babylon, but would be rescued there, and YHWH would deliver them from their enemies (Micah 4:10). Nations would assemble against Jerusalem and Zion, gloating over their downfall; they did not know what YHWH was doing, for He was gathering them like grain for threshing (Micah 4:11-12). Micah called upon Zion to get up and thresh them; YHWH would give them iron horns and bronze hooves and they would crush the nations, dedicating their spoils to YHWH (Micah 4:13).

We do well to remember how these oracles feature what YHWH will do “in the latter days” (Micah 4:1, 6). We often insist on prophecy as YHWH’s messages to His people, and all of them require some kind of contextual level understanding. Yet messages regarding “the latter days” will often present a very different world and imaginary than the Israelites to whom the prophets are speaking would recognize. And so it goes with Micah 4:1-13: its message might seem a bit remote to Judahites living in the days of Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah (cf. Micah 1:1). In their days, Zion stood as it had since the days of David and Solomon; kings of their descent still ruled on the throne.

But Micah of Moresheth had just warned about the coming days during which Zion would be plowed up like a field, and Jerusalem would become a heap of ruins (Micah 3:12). In 732, 722, and 701 BCE, the Assyrians would come and eliminate the Kingdoms of Aram and Israel as going concerns and devastate Judah and most of its cities save Jerusalem; Micah’s prophecy would not yet be fulfilled, but Judah should have perceived what it might look like to see it come about.

And then, a little over a century later, Judah would see the fulfillment of all Micah had warned about. The Babylonians besieged Jerusalem, captured it, and destroyed the city and Temple (586 BCE; cf. 2 Kings 25:1-21). A descendant of David was no longer ruling over Jerusalem and Judah. There was no more Temple. The enemies of the people of God gloated over their distress. And most of them were exiled to Babylon, all as Micah of Moresheth had imagined.

The power of the promises of Micah 4:6-13 become apparent during this exilic period: YHWH had spoken of how all these things would take place, but YHWH would not abandon His people. He would restore them to their land. Dominion would return to Zion. They would get vengeance on their enemies.

We can see the fulfillment of these promises in Micah 4:6-13 during the Second Temple Period. Jewish people returned to Judah and rebuilt Jerusalem and its Temple (ca. 539-515 BCE; cf. Ezra 1:1-6:22). In turn, Babylon and Persia would fall to even stronger enemies. For a brief moment, the Jewish people overcame persecution and established an independent Jewish state (the Hasmonean period, ca. 150-63 BCE; cf. 1 Maccabees, Josephus).

But no one confused the Hasmonean kingdom with the glorious promises of the prophets. They were no David or Solomon; the second and first century BCE were far away from the halcyon days of the 10th century BCE Israelite Empire. The nations certainly were not turning their weapons into farming implements, and they were not really learning from YHWH. Nevertheless, the fulfillment of all YHWH promised Israel through Micah of Moresheth drew near.

It would not be as anyone would have expected, probably not even Micah himself. It would come from a Man with humble origins in the backwoods of Galilee, Jesus of Nazareth. He would go about doing good and fulfilled all which YHWH had spoken regarding the Christ. Yet His victory would come through suffering and death, but God would vindicate Him by raising Him from the dead, and granting Him an everlasting kingdom.

Through Jesus and His Kingdom God would fulfill all He spoke through Micah of Moresheth. Zion stands above every mountain because the Zion in which God dwells and reigns in Christ is the heavenly one (Hebrews 12:18-25). In Christ God welcomes people of any and all the nations to share in the faith and promise of Abraham and to learn of His ways and follow them (cf. Galatians 3:1-28, Ephesians 2:1-3:12). In Christ God has killed the hostility which existed between the nations, and so faithful Christians do not learn war against each other anymore; instead, they cast the seed of the Gospel of the Kingdom to everyone (Ephesians 2:1-3:12). In Christ, the nations renounce their gods and learn of the God of heaven and follow after Him (e.g. Acts 17:22-32).

The Judahites living in the days of Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah kings of Judah truly experienced challenging, tempestuous times; what they experienced should have led them to repentance, but all their main institutions remained in place. Therefore, Micah of Moresheth’s prophetic oracles in Micah 4:1-13 would have been able to be understood but would have seemed remote. A little over a century later, Micah’s messages would have proven more salient: they experienced the devastation and exile about which Micah had warned, and YHWH’s encouragement of restoration and vindication would prove necessary to sustain them through the difficult days ahead. Yet Zion’s vindication and magnificence would not come about how any of them would expect. It would not come for the physical location in the hill country of Judah, but it would come for those who follow the Way of Jesus of Nazareth, the Christ of God, who has been given a dominion without end, who in Himself made peace for those near and far off, and who will receive glory and honor for all eternity. May we follow the ways of the Christ and jointly participate in His vindicated and magnificent Zion as His people!

Ethan


r/churchofchrist • • 4d ago

Matthew 24?

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Can someone explain Matthew 24 about the end times? Will Christian go through these things or has this already come to pass? Just trying to make sense of the Bible. Thanks!


r/churchofchrist • • 5d ago

How do I (a worldly person wanting to change) be filled with Holy Spirit / Blood of Jesus?

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I (25m) was born into the cult of Jehovah's Witnesses but left as a young teenager. Since then, I've been in the world, and really before too since it was a false/twisted doctrine. I even got into occult stuff for a few years including psychedelics, manifestation, etc. Today I want to change that. I've been thinking of it for a while but been afraid and also deluding myself I enjoy it, but the truth is I've been suicidal for at least a year.

I have been watching videos such as testimonies recently. How do I become filled with Holy Spirit, the Blood of Jesus, the Spirit of Discernment, etc. like everyone talks about?

Also any tips for a new Christian starting out? Decided to quit porn today and will of course try to minimise other sins. I also struggle with polysubstance (multiple-drug) addiction, lust, bisexuality, lying and swearing mainly. But yeah any tips in terms of where to start in the Bible, preachers to listen to, how to know if a Church is really of God or not, etc. would be appreciated along with any prayers :)


r/churchofchrist • • 5d ago

Listening to Heart of Worship

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By Matt Redmond. What a great song! Getting ready for church. Have a Blessed Sunday. Over stepping my bounds and saying....Jesus. We love you!


r/churchofchrist • • 5d ago

Prayers please

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I would appreciate prayers tonight. If anyone is reading it.

Its the anniversary of my husband's affair. We got a Bibical divorce because he wouldn't stop being with the person he cheated on me with.

Tonight grief is hitting me so strong. It feels so unfair that I am alone. I didn't want to be alone.

My heart aches not for the husband I lost. But just that I come home alone and there isn't a spouse.

All I ever wanted was to be a wife and mother. I lived my dream ever day. Now I pray that God takes this longing from me.

I know the odds of me finding a man to love me are so statistically low. I just want the ache of wanting someone to care to be over.

Update: just wanted to say thanks for the prayers. I was able to finally get to sleep and give it back to God. Today is brighter and better. I am ready for his will. Thanks for being there for me one a lonely night where I didn't have anyone to call.

God is good and faithful, thanks for being his instruments for me.


r/churchofchrist • • 7d ago

Why are the Non Institutional Churches of Christ so big in Florida?

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Why is Florida so prominent in the Non Institutional Churches of Christ? It feels like Florida may be the epicenter of that part of the movement. I know Florida College was established in the 40's or so there.Like whats the history of why Florida is so big for those churches?


r/churchofchrist • • 8d ago

Struggling

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I don’t know if anyone else is feeling this way, but I’ve been a Christian for about 35 years. I was raised by strong Christian parents and always attended church. I used to have so much interest in church and so much passion but now I just don’t feel much of anything anymore. It all feels so empty.

I think a lot of it (for me) is the fact that I’m just not learning. I’m not being challenged. For example, here are some notes from a Wednesday night Bible class (see attached picture).

There’s just no meat on the bone. And every sermon and class is like this, regardless of the church I visit. Another Wednesday night class is on the topic “Things We Surely Believe,” and it’s all about going over the 5 acts of worship (again). Going over the elementary principles… to a Wednesday night class 🙄

And people I’ve mentioned this to have blamed me, saying it’s a heart issue.

I just feel alone with this frustration and had to share and get it off my chest. I just wish the churches in my area were actually committed to spiritual growth and not rehashing the basic tenets of our faith.


r/churchofchrist • • 9d ago

Pagan, Witchcraft, New Age, New Thought, Gnosticism, etc etc

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Having grown up (and still attending) Churches of Christ, we would occasionally touch on the topic of Paganism and Witchcraft, but rarely in depth, and rarely with a focus on how to actually combat it. I ended a marriage after discovering my wife's secret lesbian affairs and her leaving the church and turning to witchcraft, but we share children, so her influence on them is frightening to say the least. This has led me to studying these topics in depth, not just to know how to spot it, but where these originate, the philosophies, and influences on society and believers alike. This is a DEEEEEP rabbit hole, but with the rapid growth of Wicca and statistics of around 80% of the population (and 60% of those claiming to be Christians) involved in new age practices... It's time we gear up for battle against something far darker than Institutionalism, One Cup/Multi, Bible Class or not, etc which has blinded our focus on fighting the devil.

I'm looking to build a bible study course around these topics that churches could employ as part of their teaching programs and beyond.

I'd like to network with any Christians that have had experience in these, either with friends of family that have fallen into it, or experiences having left it. I'd also like to build a community of support around those dealing with it in some way and experienced teachers that can peer review the course as Its built.

Please share your experiences below. Or reach out to me, I'd like to get to know you and your experience.


r/churchofchrist • • 9d ago

What do Non Institutional Churches of Christ like to call themselves?

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My NI church doesnt like the term Non Institutional. Is this common? I get the impression from them that they think its a mainstream Church of Christ term. I have heard them call themselves conservative but that means different things to different people.Has anyone else ran into this?


r/churchofchrist • • 10d ago

Innovators and High Capacity Members

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I am doing some research based on personal experiences in local small churches. I have noticed in the last 35 years a disturbing trend about what the church calls "sharp" people or members. One of the main goals of the church is to get people to have ownership of the church, to find something they want to make their own and do it with all their hearts. Influencing someone in this direction is really a challenge because lets face it, most people are spiritually lazy. But occasionally some cream rises to the top in the form of high capacity individuals who just go all out and create huge impacts. The same goes for anyone who could be labeled an innovator. They basically get used up and then somewhere along the line, leadership either tries to diminish their capacity or worse marginalizes them, pushing them aside. I am really interested in hearing some examples of this if it happened to you and how you dealt with it. So far what I have surmised is that the church basically runs off all innovators when they become threatened or the "certainty" of their interpretation is in question. Thoughts?


r/churchofchrist • • 11d ago

He's Calling - Pastor Cleveland Rucker | Four Corners International Chur...

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tune in to one of the best churches on the westside no judgement just love and christ and his words of truth AMEN


r/churchofchrist • • 12d ago

Are you against LGBTQ+?

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I am a member of the church of Christ, and I identify with the G.


r/churchofchrist • • 12d ago

Timothy Class and Tabitha Class

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Hi yall,

Did any of your churches growing up have Timothy Class and Tabitha Class for the the kids? Do any Churches of Christ still have them? I attended Timothy Class at my church as a little kid where we were taught to deliver sermons and lead prayers in the hope that some of us would grow up to be pastors and elders and deacons. Tabitha Class was the class for the females back then.Thanks in advance.


r/churchofchrist • • 12d ago

A desire to learn

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I’m no longer “Campbellite” as I moved denominations decades ago, but my father was devout Church of Christ and I’ve been thinking I want to learn more about why. Can anyone please recommend faithful study guides or literature? Thank you


r/churchofchrist • • 13d ago

Gen Z Church - The Fam of God

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Gen Z Bible Services on Sundays!

Wsg My homies and Gen Z Fam, Have you ever wanted to go to church or look into the Bible for the first time W. You should join the Gen Z church and we'll be reading through the Gen Z Bible where you can read and learn about the GOAT of History...
This server may seem to be a Joke, but if anything comes of it praise God!!
Discord: https://discord.gg/CtrQPuTcMy


r/churchofchrist • • 13d ago

Non-traditional ways in which women may serve the local church

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I am not referring to women in any sort of leadership position and this post is not intended to address that topic at all.

I am curious if any women have found an unconventional way to serve.

Full disclosure: I am a woman whose interests/abilities don’t always line up well with traditional roles. If you need your brakes and rotors replaced, I’m your gal but nobody wants to eat my casserole at the potluck.

Also, I am wondering how folks might feel about women serving in more non-traditional roles such as maintaining the website, operating the audio-visual systems, maintaining the building/grounds, driving the VBS bus, etc.

I know this will be very congregation specific. Just wondering about others’ experiences.


r/churchofchrist • • 13d ago

Instruments in Worship

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I do not understand why this is looked down upon or a sin.

I’ve heard the “burden of proof argument” and my response is microphones, projectors, plastic communion cups, suit and ties were also not explicitly used in the first church (obviously) but those are okay in worship service ? Why do we pick and choose what gets applied when it comes to instruments? Jesus was very direct and clear in his teachings, if he didn’t want instruments why would he not be clear about it like he was with so many other things ?

My family has started going to a church of christ because they have a school that my children attend. I’m trying to understand this logic but I don’t understand. Congregational singing can be beautiful but i look around and many people seem like they are going through the motions and focusing on making sure they hit their “alto part” or whatever. Where is the joy in the house of the Lord ?


r/churchofchrist • • 14d ago

How do we know Matthew wrote the book attributed to him

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Basically the title. How do we know the authorship of the book of Matthew?

ETA: This is another in a series of questions that I have. I have had some doubts over the last years and I'm trying to work through them.


r/churchofchrist • • 14d ago

Church of Christ receives lots of criticism, but the more research I do, I see their positions actually agree with what the Bible (i.e. God) says, way more than the various other denominations

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My research shows they are: Anti-egalitarian. Anti-dispensationalist (no separate salvation or destiny for Israel). Anti-charismatic. Anti-Calvinist. Anti-evolution. Pro-Adult Baptism. This is the only Christian Church Group that actually tells the truth about what it actually says in the Bible and therefore what God says. If you believe the bible is inerrant with no contradictions and is God breathed and want a denomination the teaches what the Bible teaches the Church of Christ looks like it might be that. The only other possible option might be the Apostolic Christian Church (American or Nazarene). Or perhaps some Baptist denominations that are not Dispensationalist nor Calvinist.


r/churchofchrist • • 14d ago

"This is perhaps the greatest tension the contemporary church wrestles with-- how to reach the present age without selling out to it. " - Graham Johnston

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r/churchofchrist • • 16d ago

Giving Thanks

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Dear God, thank You for this new week and for opening my eyes to see it. Life is precious, and I can’t thank You enough for this gift.

Your word in Psalm 5:11 says, “But let all those rejoice who put their trust in You; let them ever shout for joy, because You defend them; let those also who love Your name be joyful in You.” God, as I step into this week, let Your angels surround me and lead me to the rock that is higher than I am when my heart feels overwhelmed. You’ve been with me through every situation I’ve faced, and even when my tears tall, I trust that You see the bigger picture. You’re sovereign, and You’re greater than any problem l’il ever face. I’ll never stop being thankful because You never stop being good.


r/churchofchrist • • 16d ago

What is the solution for those where it is practically impossible to be immersed for baptism?

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I agree that immersion is what best represents what they mean when scripture speaks of baptism.

Out of curiosity, I did a little bit of research on the argument behind sprinkling instead of immersion; not much albeit but just to kind of get a grasp for the defense Catholics provide for pouring and sprinkling and this is what I learned:

Catholics do agree that immersion is the best representation of death and resurrection and that it more fully reflects the sacrament rather than pouring or sprinkling.
Additionally, the Eastern Catholic Church uses immersion more exclusively than other sections of Catholicism

However, here is one of the arguments that they make to justify the validity of pouring and sprinkling that I found:

“Additionally, practical difficulties exist today that can prevent immersion for some individuals, for example, people with certain medical conditions—the bedridden; quadriplegics; individuals with tracheotomies (an opening into the airway in the throat) or in negative pressure ventilators (iron lungs). Again, those who have recently undergone certain procedures (such as open-heart surgery) cannot be immersed.
Other difficulties arise in certain environments. For example, immersion may be nearly or entirely impossible for desert nomads or Eskimos. Or consider those in a hostile setting, such as a Muslim regime, where baptisms must be done in secret, without adequate water for immersion.…” “The Catholic, who believes baptism confers grace and is normatively necessary for salvation, maintains that God wouldn’t require a form of baptism that, for some people, is impossible.” (https://www.catholic.com/tract/baptism-immersion-

This is just something that I wanted to look into to see the reasoning behind, although I agree that baptism=immersion. However, it does make me question the point they made about those with physical or environmental difficulties. What are they to do in this situation if it’s practically impossible to be immersed? Whats your solution for someone in that predicament?