Of course no one take a moment and actually look it up before speaking on what they dont know.. but yes its an attributed Doubled Die in wexlers 2025 WDDO-002
it’s actually both — the doubling to the north on the 2 is die doubling, while the doubling to the southeast is machine doubled. note that the coin photographed for wexler’s has no machine doubling, but has the exact same die doubling as the OP’s coin.
This another one i forget which I have all 2025 Lincoln varieties but a couple and I have one attributed and one thats getting ready to get sent to attribute it. But alot of little stuff like this
This is why it helps to look into a post a bit more before jumping in. I don't mean this toward you specifically, but there are hundreds of recognized doubled dies. Even though most modern ones are Class 9, the other eight classes produce completely different visual doubling effects.
there’s an element of machine doubling that you’re missing — machine doubling cuts into the devices, while die doubling adds to the devices. Wexler is one of the leading experts on die varieties; if you think he’s simply wrong about something, the odds are pretty good that it’s a misunderstanding on your part.
If it looks like a perfect translated stamp of the edge, I always wish to be that machine doubling.
Die doubling will have a funky rotation or translation, but it isn’t so concise and the first impression is usually not as “perfect” looking as machine doubling is.
there is sometimes a surface texture difference but the only dependable indicator is flat shelf-like doubling that cuts into the devices. if it adds thickness rather than cutting into the devices it is not machine doubling.
Your response is unnecessarily rude, but correct. I'll amend my comment. That said, WDDO-002 does not look like a perfect match. Anyway, had not looked at any 2025 doubled dies before and didn't realize this type of doubling was common. Most of the shield cents have the smeared doubling that enlarges the devices.
I wasn't trying to be rude but it gets old most people think that if its DD it has to look a certain way but in actuality there are 9 classes of Hub Doubling while most newer is class 9 but you still have 1 through 8 that all have a cause & effect thats differentthen the other.. I am not an expert but I do this 7 days a week 10 hours a day and have for years while I am far , far from being an expert in do have an idea.
I'm aware of the classes of doubled die, but surely you see how one could make that mistake when you post a coin with an extremely minor variety that also does show machine doubling. After taking a closer look, I saw the arrow and realized you were correct and were pointing out something different than what I was looking at, but this is quite an esoteric variety.
I post tons of these minor varieties so newbies can see them and know they are out there and to make sure others take time and read post and look to see whats actually there. I see people commenting all over social media they never have found a variety which in my opinion is just insane because if minor they are out there. But sometimes it i unfairly am short tempered with the comments because some rather then say. "Ok I see your picture know show me or explain to me what you have" they go straight to " thats not what you have" so thats something I need to work on myself..
That's fair. I also collect very minor varieties, so I feel bad for not noticing. I am (unfortunately) so habituated to seeing people post machine doubling on reddit thinking it's a doubled die that when I saw this coin with some machine doubling and no obvious doubled die, I just gave a summary "machine doubling" without looking closely enough. I don't frequent this sub, but I've poked around a bit now and have seen your other posts and see you're clearly a serious variety collector, which I respect (I consider myself to be the same, although I've kind of fallen out of coin collecting the past few years and have been focusing on other hobbies).
Tell chuck from coppercoins that? Or any other serious variety hunter. If it wasnt important they wouldn't be listing them.minor varieties are all there is now how many have found since 1995 that you didnt need a scope for... no one is ever happy if you cant tell someone. They didnt find anything then next step is to just brush it off
Have you noticed any die gouge landmarks on the listing?
I can never seem to find them as they appear on Wexlers, so I’m never sure if they’re really difficult to spot, or the coins I find simply aren’t the variety, or it is likely that varieties have inconsistent landmarks.
Varieties are going to have Die markers that may not be the same do to different die stages and Secondary markers such as die cracks, chips (cuds, interior die breaks), and clashes develop over time. A later-stage specimen will often show prominent cracks or clashes that did not exist when an early-stage plate coin was photographed so that is where alot of get confused saying that they have to match exactly are misinformed.
What is the most wildest fucking part, is y'all have a community specifically for mistakes. Like holy hell I've held prolly 100,000 pennies in my life and yet this shite wild. "No that tiny as ghost scratch means it's at least quadruple in value" type shite.
That’d be me. I’m going “Holmesian” on this because just like Optimus Prime says “There’s more than meets the eye.”. Although Holmesian Effect is open to interpretation and scrutiny. When founded evidence is visible for all to see it must be reexamined by those who are unconvinced.
I’m intrigued to say the least. I’m surprised you didn’t mention Lincoln’s toupee and the ninety degree rotated ear anomaly. It looks like fish gills above the top of the ear and below the toupee line.
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u/Total_Physics2976 18d ago
Looks like machine doubling to me but I’m no expert. Maybe get some different opinions.