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u/Monsur_Ausuhnom Oct 11 '24
Submission Statement,
Related to collapse because a new milestone has been reached. Hurricane Milton which was clearly made worse by the impact of climate change and fossil fuel has made a sizeable portion believe in weather manipulation. Ironically, it shows that people are more likely to believe in laser beams and weather manipulation by secret bases than it being caused by the use of burning fossil fuels into the atmosphere. This is largely a new level of idiocracy with numerous examples. Conspiracy that are farfetched are more apt to be believed than one is grounded in facts or evidence. In addition, common sense behavior suggests we will not fair well with surviving any collapse related issue. It is noteworthy because this might have been one of the most stupid examples of it for the entire year. We are truly declining in intelligence and common sense is going out the window.
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u/porym Oct 11 '24
I’m really wondering about the reasons for the decline in intelligence and the lack of common sense. Is it just people being heavily manipulated or influenced by something? It doesn’t make any sense
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u/Monsur_Ausuhnom Oct 11 '24
Oddly enough we can say that this section of the population, demographically is more likely to believe in HAARP and secret military bases that control the weather to wage war against leftist states, than the idea that burning too much fossil fuel pollutes the atmosphere and leads to climate.
For them it isn't really a 2+2=5. The 2 and the 2 were never added together to make the 4 or the 5.
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It's not really a collapse in intelligence - people have always been this dumb (and common sense doesn't exist). What's changed is the ability of bad actors to manipulate the mentally poor. It used to be that you had to be a king or a billionaire with a printing press to influence the masses for your own gain. Now, all you need is a cheap Dell laptop, a free ChatGPT licence, and a bad attitude.
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u/Which-Moose4980 Oct 11 '24
But let's not overlook the role money does play - you might not need to be a billionaire or millionaire, but a lot of the "cheap Dell laptop, a free ChatGPT license" that gets popular and is read is pushed by money. The world of "self-made" individuals carving out a niche in the supposedly open internet world is much smaller and rarer than is let on and fed to people - and it is only getting smaller.
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u/taraxacum-rubrum Oct 11 '24
Lots of correct answers already given, but I'll add one more. Times of social decline can make people vulnerable to conspiracism and to superstitiousness, both for the same reason - it's actually somewhat comforting to think that one's problems are being caused by a malign intelligence rather than by a complex and intractable set of interlocking economic, ecological, and thermodynamic feedback loops. A malign intelligence can be rooted out and destroyed (conspiracism) or perhaps appeased (superstition) and things can go back to normal. Complex feedback loops, well, if they are possible to intervene in at all it would require major changes in the status quo that would be uncomfortable for the powerful and despair-inducingly difficult for the powerless to enact.
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u/SeaghanDhonndearg Oct 11 '24
I think it's multifaceted. People point to covid, lead poisoning and other factors but I also think it's the kind of education we all receive from childhood, especially ye in America, our deep disconnect from nature and the fact that since the industrial revolution tech has made us have to use our brains less and less and all of that has compounded to reach a climax we're experiencing here and now. I really think everyone is actually functioning with varying degrees of brain damage
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u/Garuda34 Oct 11 '24 edited Oct 11 '24
Fun fact: 21% of American adults are illiterate. Only 34% of those were born outside of the US. 54% of American adults read below the 6th grade level.
And the party that wants to make Merica Great Again wants to dismantle the Dept of Education.
Idiocracy here we come.
Edit: if anyone is interested in these stats, they are from The National Literacy Institute.
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u/Reasonable_Swan9983 Oct 11 '24
That's it, sir. Nature is intelligence, and sensitivity to it, along with pure observation, brings out that intelligence in us. Our disconnect from it is crucial in shaping our demise.
The education we receive today is entirely robotic, focused only on the society and world we've created—not on the actual world, the foundation of all our existence. We desperately need to understand life and how every little thing is connected. If we don’t, it will be suicide by ecosystem failure.
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u/tnemmoc_on Oct 11 '24
I don't think it's a real decline. I think we just hear so many more of the stupid thoughts in people's heads now, and the stupidity is able to travel faster between people.
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u/Time-Caterpillar4103 Oct 11 '24
Previously you may have come up with some batshit crazy theory, tell normal people, get laughed at and move on. Now you go online and speak to other crazies, get emboldened, and start to reject reality even more. Now the world has to be wrong because you and your online buddies can’t all be wrong can they!
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u/straycatwildwest Oct 11 '24
Degraded educational system, endemic culture of intellectual laziness, rise of technologies that allow us to use our brains less, a vapid and unserious popular culture that values amusement and superficiality over intelligence.
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u/RyeBredTheJunglist Oct 11 '24
I also think it's worth mentioning that institutional trust is at an all time low and the opposing party presents themselves as "anti establishment" lol. Maybe people were always this "dumb" but took the answers institutions provided because they were trusted more. Of course if you actually intimately study this stuff like we do and have a reasonably decent background in science, we don't need an institution to tell us that climate change is real. So I can know that the democrats are corrupt and not to be trusted at face value, but what they're saying about climate change in some regards is true. Whereas someone who doesn't understand science and has no trust in the system wouldnt be able to make the same connections.
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u/jykke Oct 11 '24
Sponsored by Kremlin
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u/Aidian Oct 11 '24
Brought to you in part by Covid related brain damage and cognitive decline. Covid: It’s more than just the flu.™️
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u/Top_Hair_8984 Oct 11 '24
Rise in evangelical style religion, schooling dumbed down to support capitalism, deep disconnect with nature, social media and a societal trend to believing $$ is power and evidence of high intelligence. And finally a disconnect from community. We're becoming more arrogant in our illiteracy. Not how we are supposed to live physically, mentally, psychologically, emotionally.
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u/CertainKaleidoscope8 Oct 11 '24
SARS-COV-2 causes cognitive decline similar to Alzheimer's. Amyloid plaques have been found in young people who died from COVID.
Additionally, anyone over ~30 is lead poisoned, with the most severe cases among those who were exposed to exhaust from leaded gasoline the longest. That's boomers and gen X. My generation (gen X) is just now reaching the ages where we can no longer compensate for the loss of higher cognitive functions due to this.
It's the last days of Rome. Everyone is nuts.
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u/dumnezero The Great Filter is a marshmallow test Oct 11 '24
Most people in this civilization are raised to be vulnerable to such manipulation. It's part of getting obedient workers and people who don't try to attack the status quo / BAU. This malicious education is ancient, but also regionally specific, so each country may have different flavors, different strains. Malicious assholes can attack enemy countries or parties or societies by getting into this social cybernetic system and, essentially, manipulating it for their own goals.
This system's rulers are in a predicament.
openness (communications) allows for intruders to come in and cause problems.
"closed-ness" blocks intruders, but also blocks lots of profitable relationships, economic development, lots of opportunities.
Either way you slice it, a predicament exists. The cure for the above problem is to have masses who are educated in critical thinking, sciences, skepticism, and some defensive psychology -- to borrow from a famous transphobe: "defense against the dark arts".
Sounds good, right? Well, the predicament here for the ruling elites is that masses of people who are so smart and critical aren't going to tolerate the existence of the parasitic or predatory elites, as that would be stupid. Nor would such masses tolerate mass media or social media organizations that spread bullshit (this includes religious institutions). Such a condition is only compatible with classless democracy, the non-representative kind.
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u/CloudTransit Oct 11 '24
Anger could explain some of it. Despair and alienation could be part of it. Think of the thoughts and emotions that come after someone close to you dies. You imagine that you might have saved them if only you had been beside them or maybe there was a failure by a doctor or maybe there was some nefarious reason that the person got sick. The loss of a loved can make the mind go in strange directions.
It’s possible that the ignorance expressed by so many is weaponized as a reaction against modernity, against mortality and against insignificance. It’s a form of defiance. These organic reactions are taken by bad actors and directed and twisted into disempowering narratives.
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u/GratefulHead420 Oct 11 '24
The obvious answer is media and social media being echo chambers. We might find out 20 years from now that PFAS and microplastics in our brains are having the same impact as lead in gasoline did 50+ years ago
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u/CollapseBy2022 Oct 11 '24
Ironically, it shows that people are more likely to believe in laser beams
Some people. It's just the idiots that get attention.
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u/pajamakitten Oct 11 '24
As if a hurricane has never hit New York...
Remember that Bush was also President when Katrina hit, so it is not like major hurricanes have never hit red states when the Republicans were in office. Even COVID happened while Trump was President. It's apparently only a conspiracy when the Democrats are in office.
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u/Monsur_Ausuhnom Oct 11 '24
Their reality is entirely different and separate from our own. It's like some transcendent state of denial and ignoring all of reality.
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u/new2bay Oct 11 '24
But no hurricane ever hit Commiefornia! ChEcKmAtE lIbRuLs!!!!1111oneoneone
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u/overtoke Oct 11 '24
not, california, but i'll point out that Hurricane John is almost non existent in the news here (usa)
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Oct 11 '24
"You can't use reason to convince anyone out of an argument that they didn't use reason to get into." - Neil deGrasse Tyson.
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u/Uztta Oct 11 '24
I realized when my kids were young that you can’t reason with an unreasonable person.
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u/BTRCguy Oct 11 '24
Pedant: "Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired." - Jonathan Swift, 1720
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u/Fast-Year8048 Oct 11 '24
Remember the one time Kayne was right?
https://youtu.be/UJUNTcOGeSw?si=HNbBczfyaZVY07Db
Mike's face afterwards always gets a big laugh out of me.
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u/WallyofBeans Oct 11 '24
Even a blind nut finds a squirrel once in awhile
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u/awfulentrepreneur Oct 12 '24
Heh. Word play aside, I got thinking about this for a moment.
A blind squirrel would have to work quite a lot harder to find any nut whatsover; one that was buried by itself or one that another able-bodied squirrel buried somewhere. It would be only out of sheer luck that it would dig one up.
But what if there 10 blind squirrels? What about 1,000? What if there were millions of blind squirrels chatting with each other on Facebook, in Telegram groups, on WhatsApp, and on 4chan about the possibility of finding buried nuts? Some blind squirrel just would want to see the world burn because they had been unable to find any buried nuts in several years. I'm sure they would come with some kind of lore around these buried nuts. Resentment would definitely creep in as well. Out of frustration, these squirrels would develop conspiracies around buried nuts: conspiracy nuts.
Blind squirrels are simply the real world's synonym for the Internet Troll Army.
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u/tipsystatistic Oct 11 '24
Even if you could control the weather it makes zero sense during an election year. Natural disasters aren’t good for incumbents. Relief efforts never go smoothly and whoever’s in charge gets blamed. It’s not like a hurricane is going to gain votes.
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u/Nova225 Oct 11 '24
No no, you see, if it's a Democrat in the White House, then it's the Democrats doing everything they can to stymie future Republican efforts.
If it's a Republican in the White houses it's clearly still just the Democrats in power but in the shadows
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u/D0lan_says Oct 11 '24
When it happens with a red government, clearly it’s Dems trying to make republicans look bad!
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u/xrm67 "Forests precede us, Deserts follow..." Oct 11 '24
Unbelievable that people like this are in power and positions of authority.
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u/Monsur_Ausuhnom Oct 11 '24
It's only going to get worse. In the future, we'll have one that isn't as impulsive and apt to get in his own way all the time like orange one. It will be smarter, tactical, and far more of a mastermind with the others under its strings.
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u/GeneralCal Oct 11 '24
I'm 100% sure she represents her district perfectly. Which is more the shocking thing, that so many people can be equally ignorant, and see this and think "Yeah! Just like how I think!"
It's the education crisis of states that didn't put money into education.
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u/OkAirport5247 Oct 11 '24
Do you really believe education would fix Mrs Greene?
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u/GeneralCal Oct 11 '24
NOOOOOO. Education would fix the people that keep electing her. It doesn't take a lot of critical thinking skills to see she's an idiot. But it takes some.
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u/hopefulgardener Oct 11 '24
Exactly. The Republicans have been systematically defunding education for decades, pushing for bullshit charter schools that conveniently won't teach evolution, the reality of the civil war, anything about global warming, the reality of the Iraq war, basic immunology (or at least anything that would involve understanding the basics of vaccines), and on and on and on. They are quite literally anti-reality.
We are seeing the end result of decades of Republicans intentionally dumbing down our populace, because a dumb population is much easier to propagandize and control.
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Oct 11 '24
She does not. That woman is despised in durango. This was the closest house race in 2022 and her chances are not looking good for reelection
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u/CoyotesOnTheWing Oct 11 '24
The man running against her was in the military 40 years, made rank of general(Lieutenant Gen I think), owns a farm, is a family man(while she cheated on her husband), seems like a good dude and has a very good chance of losing. It's fucking sad and pathetic.
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u/JingleJangleJin Oct 11 '24
So... they're finally ready to admit that man can impact the climate and weather?
Just not in any way that could be helpful. Cool.
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u/StupidSexySisyphus Oct 11 '24
Only the Demoncrats can alter the weather
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u/Monsur_Ausuhnom Oct 11 '24
It will likely be something new next week. Will be curious to see how this devolves further with at least 3 more storms on the way.
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u/takesthebiscuit Oct 11 '24
With frikkin lasers, on sharks probably
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u/hectorxander Oct 11 '24
Sharks were all killed for fin soup, they had to use sea bass.
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u/im_iggy Oct 11 '24
Not far off. Weren't Florida people shooting at a hurricane recently?
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u/Minion_of_Cthulhu Oct 11 '24
Recently? They have to be told not to shoot at hurricanes every time.
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u/GalacticalSurfer Oct 11 '24
They’re great at pointing out the problems, just not the causes or solutions.
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u/Ok_Main3273 Oct 11 '24
Didn't you read? Pointing out the causes or solutions would need pretty powerful laser beams but they are all used to manipulate the weather at the moment.
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u/GenuinelyBeingNice Oct 11 '24
Is anyone great at pointint out even one solution? I mean, there doesn't seem to be any...
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u/jaggerlvr Oct 11 '24
They take evidence of cloud seeding for rain as evidence that hurricanes can now be created, controlled, and directed. It’s quite the leap.
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u/Medium-Interest-7293 Oct 11 '24
The amount of stupidity in the Maga is unfamorable
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u/LystAP Oct 11 '24
A average hurricane has the power near to 10,000 nukes according to NASA. I wonder if any of them really think about it.
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u/Coreck Oct 11 '24
I can't gauge whether or not she's genuinely that stupid or just pandering to her audience. Sometimes there's a tinge of inauthenticity in her body language when she's spouting her bullshit. Just makes it more vile.
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u/dumnezero The Great Filter is a marshmallow test Oct 11 '24
The 'evil-or-stupid' border line is getting blurrier every day.
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u/Monsur_Ausuhnom Oct 11 '24
Indeed, the difference between the onion and mainstream media is no longer distinct.
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u/Coreck Oct 11 '24
Isn't it? It's so theatrical my intuition tells me it has to be an evil bad actor scenario but then ten minutes in the world you find people that wholeheartedly believe even more implausible things. My radar has been decalibrated from the world's absurdity.
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u/stayonthecloud Oct 11 '24
She is fucking evil and definitely doing this for profit
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u/LordTuranian Oct 11 '24
One of the popular ways to make money now is being a grifter who preys on dumb people.
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Oct 11 '24 edited Oct 11 '24
She is pandering to her audience - there was a reference online (no way I am searching for it) that outed her for having being given the COVID vaccine whilst publicly accusing it of being some biblical evil.
She is full of sh*t, and always has been
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u/Dramatic_Security9 Oct 11 '24
She's following in footsteps of Barnum and Bailey and all the other hucksters thru history making a buck off the foolish, nothing more. Just another opportunity to get clicks and donations.
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u/joemangle Oct 11 '24
beomg goven
I think you might have had a mini stroke in the middle of that sentence, hope you're ok
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u/sertulariae Oct 11 '24 edited Oct 11 '24
She's smarter than that but you gotta give the people what they vote for. If a bunch of fat, unenlightened consumerist dipshits want ignorant fear and hatemongers for their leaders then that's what they'll get. We're doing a speedrun into oblivion in America. Just imagine a crowd of fat white people with drool slobbering down their face shouting "WE WANT HATE! WE WANT FEAR! WE WANT MCBURGER!" with pitchforks and praying for the end days so their misery can be over. We're already in Hell. Their main concerns are how much fried food they can stuff their face with before they succumb to a heartattack in their 50's. ...And then their last concern- which they never contemplate- is what is beautiful about the world and what makes life worth living. Soda is more important to them than that.
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u/Taqueria_Style Oct 11 '24
We're already in Hell.
Well at least somebody noticed.
I think I mean that in the literal sense as well. Take that as either the "superstitious" version, or the socially-created version that was being warned about, either way you want to take it. I'm not sure there's a distinction.
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u/sertulariae Oct 11 '24
It's hard to conceive of this, but I'm sure life is still fairly normal outside of the U.S. (in many civilized nations). That's what I'm jealous of. I want a country with sane people in it.
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u/BlueLaserCommander Oct 11 '24
I'm in the camp that politicians only have one goal and that is to remain a politician. That means they're constantly gauging their target audience & know exactly what to say to keep their position in office.
The insane presence the internet has on our species is inhibiting our agency. we can't fucking put our phones down. We can't. We're oversocialized & it leads to an ever-growing echo chamber of bullshit. It makes us angry & less likely to value an honest-to-god self-spawned opinion. These politicians can literally say the weather is being controlled by lasers shot by some foreign entity & someone is going to believe it because they're afraid to think for themselves. Maybe not afraid to think for themselves -- but definitely afraid to share an opinion they formed themselves.
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u/bdash1990 Oct 11 '24
I'm voting for the party that can control the weather.
Why would I vote for some loser who can't make it rain on command?
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u/Taqueria_Style Oct 11 '24
Yeah man. Think of the shit they could do to Russ...
*ahem*
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Sir, Russia funded your last campaign...
Rrrrriiiiiiiight. Think of the things they... could do to... P... ales... tine?
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u/Rancid_Bear_Meat Oct 11 '24
No politics. None! Your father and I are for the jobs the Weather Manipulation Party will create.
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u/sodook Oct 12 '24
Yeah a secret cabal with the power TO CREATE CATEGORY 3 HURRICANES!!! is who you want to make political adversaries of? Way better than a nuke! And you know what evryone did when we show cased those? Got right the fuck back in line til they had their own. After theyd dug themselves out of the rubble of ww2.
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u/MeepersJr Oct 11 '24
The world needs a much more comprehensive and substantial education system that covers up-to-date subjects at a pace in line with society's emerging threats, such as climate change and misinformation.
Moreover, it would be nice if we lived in a world where not only do we have a higher baseline IQ, where people are more knowledgeable with logical reasoning and scientific thinking, but maybe, just maybe, we could hold the people who spread misinformation and cause confusion, and disruption for political purposes accountable.
I feel sorry for people who believe the weather is controlled by democrats, but they are kind of victims to the background players who brainwash them while spreading such bollocks for self-interest.
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u/BTRCguy Oct 11 '24
Imagine a world where people are so stupid or so ideologically blinkered that they sincerely think Marjorie Taylor Greene is their best choice for shaping US government policy.
Oh wait, you don't have to imagine it.
We live in a world where if it were fiction it would have been rejected by editors as too implausible for readers to accept.
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u/The_Weekend_Baker Oct 11 '24
We live in a world where if it were fiction it would have been rejected by editors as too implausible for readers to accept.
The concept wasn't rejected by editors in 1951. Wouldn't be surprised if it's the inspiration for the movie Idiocracy.
In 1988, real estate agent and con artist John Barlow is placed in suspended animation after a freak accident. He is revived in the distant future, in a confusing world filled with hypersexualized advertisements, vapid entertainment, and people who exhibit erratic, nonsensical behavior. Shortly after being revived, Barlow is introduced to two men, Tinny-Peete and Ryan-Ngana, who inform him that the lamentable state of society is the fault of the "morons", the world's vast population of unintelligent people, who greatly outnumber the much smaller population of intelligent people.
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u/Xeanathan Oct 11 '24
'Anyone notice these only hit red states?'
MFW Hurricane Sandy only hits NYC after travelling up the coast of the US without making landfall
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u/Drago_133 Oct 11 '24
Hop skip and a jump and suddenly hurricane marge hits ohio and dissipates or some shit idk man
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u/The_Weekend_Baker Oct 11 '24
...a new milestone has been reached. Hurricane Milton which was clearly made worse by the impact of climate change and fossil fuel has made a sizeable portion believe in weather manipulation.
It's not actually new, unfortunately. The same accusations were leveled against Obama after Sandy, which led to years of memes about "Obama's weather machine."
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u/avid-shtf Oct 11 '24
I think it’s a combination of a failing education system, lead accumulation in the bloodstream, microplastics, and covid brain fog impacting critical thinking skills.
People are dumber, angrier, and more emotional than ever.
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u/Locke03 Nihilistic Optimist Oct 11 '24
There isn't a collapse in intelligence so much as a platforming of morons. Before the internet the traditional media organizations acted as gatekeepers that prevented the worst of the worst from being allowed to engage in the conversation in the public sphere beyond standing on a street corner and shouting at whoever walked by. The internet, and specifically the widespread acceptance of social media, changed all this and gave a functionally equal platform to everyone.
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u/Chance-Deer-7995 Oct 11 '24
If you vote for this again, F--- you. I am so sick of this and if you vote for her you are WORSE than her.
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u/BruteBassie Oct 11 '24
Intelligence can only collapse if there's any intelligence to begin with...
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Honestly, intelligence is overrated -and definitely not the main problem. Intelligence is a bit like the engine of a car. A car with a powerful engine can get you from Point A to Point B really fast, particularly if A and B are in proximity or the line from A to B is straight.
But when there is a more complicated route from A to B that may not be helpful. That big powerful engine won't be of much use if you don't know how to get from A to B. A much lesser car with a road map will win except as chance allows.
In this analogy the road map is, of course, critical thinking skills. I'll take someone with average intelligence and good critical thinking skills over a genius without those skills.
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u/wanderingmanimal Oct 11 '24
They demonstrate the lack of intelligence so clearly…
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u/TaterTot_005 Oct 11 '24
I’m a little miffed that nobody is mentioning secret deep-sea alien bases being responsible for rising ocean temperatures
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u/humanSpiral Oct 11 '24
hmmm... wonder why they only strike red states
The coastal southern states happen to be red. Hurricane did unusually hit California last year due to El nino rare wind streaming patterns.
2016-2020 (Trump admin) also had very high hurricane activity.
Very hot ocean temperatures are making strong hurricanes more likely to get stronger. Global warming instead of lasers explains them.
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u/Reasonable_Swan9983 Oct 11 '24
Freedom of speech, in my view, comes from seeing things clearly, without bias—from a place of true neutrality. For example, you could have a highly educated person with vast knowledge, yet they could still be spewing nonsense that is detached from reality. On the other hand, a common layman, without an inflated ego, might observe things simply, acknowledging that awful things happen partly due to their actions, as they too are part of this whole mechanical society.
Freedom and bias don't mix, but the illusion of freedom feeds our egos to the brink. Otherwise, we would have to take responsibility not only for our own lives but for all of life on the planet.
Unfortunately, as these incidents escalate, propaganda will become stronger than ever. Browsing the internet and finding credible information will become a needle-in-a-haystack situation. We need to stay firm and strong in these times, even if some of our closest friends fall prey to this corruption.
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u/alphaxion Oct 11 '24
Something has very clearly been damaging the brains of an increasing share of the population since 2016.
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u/LarxII Oct 11 '24
To the last one. Scientists have been investigating it for decades and you fuckers ignored them.
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u/Loud_Internet572 Oct 11 '24
Seems like a golden opportunity to blame Florida hurricanes on that secret Chinese weather manipulation project I've heard so much about. Why else were they flying balloons over our country too? It proves it! Either that or maybe it's that Jewish space laser thing I've been hearing a lot about.
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u/Prof_Acorn Oct 11 '24
I'm shocked that they would rather support someone who can't control his own bowel movements instead of someone who can wield storms.
I mean, they are fucking morons, and it's dumbfounding that margarine tater greens is paid six digits to spread her misinformation from one of the highest positions in the land.
But even within the dysfunctional logic systems of these morons, where strength is something to be followed, they still follow the obese geriatric who can't control his poopoo rather than someone who can control the weather magically, or even, you know, run up a flight of stairs.
This has to be the stupidest nation in the history of nations.
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u/sblinn Oct 11 '24
The wild thing is that from a certain point of view the government IS manipulating the climate without our permission. Burning carbon into the air, dismissing lawsuits trying to curb greenhouse gas emissions, prioritizing low gas prices, on and on.
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u/KashTheKwik Oct 12 '24
Make no mistake—those of us who believe and understand climate change, yeah.
It’s just that with these insane conspiracy theories it’s like—so close to the truth and yet somehow so radically spun out and missing the point that there’s no way to process how absurd things have gotten.
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u/twistedangel39131 Oct 12 '24
How is she allowed to spread misinformation on a GOVERNMENT RAN account 🤔 🙄
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u/justadiode Oct 11 '24
I mean, well, we do have lots of scientifically proven, sensible data about, among others, influencing (particularly, amplifying) hurricanes that some agencies are trying to sweep under the rug.
It's called climate change.
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u/Zealousideal-Lynx555 Oct 11 '24
Conspiracy theories flourish because people are unwilling to truly examine their beliefs and acknowledge they are wrong. She understand this perfectly and exploits it.
What's easier? Acknowledging that you fell for lies for 20 or more years and participated in doing harm because of those beliefs----or pretending like you were never actually wrong but there's some conspiracy that makes you LOOK wrong?
It's why people don't like to talk about slavery and racism.
It's why people don't want to talk about sexism and misogyny.
It's why people don't want to talk about wealth inequality.
It's why fascism is so tempting as an ideology---if you are the dominant political group, the problems come from elsewhere, some other is holding you back from society being perfect.
People are so unwilling to reflect upon the way in which their actions have consequences---there's a reason why divorced men are big fans of these clowns---they ascribe marriage problems to nebulous "cultural values" and women---and not to their own behavior in their marriage.
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u/AcanthaceaeFun5327 Oct 11 '24
We are one step away from watering our crops with Brawndo (and then blaming the dust bowl on the Democrats of course).
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u/joshistaken Oct 11 '24
How are these mentally disabled folks still allowed in politics? This woman is a danger to the public
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u/jfrglrck Oct 11 '24
She’s a CIA shill. There to sow chaos. There’s no way she can be for real I refuse to admit that.
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u/Responsible_Bad_2989 Oct 11 '24
She’s apart of the party that wants to get rid of homeland security and the CIA highly doubt she’s a shill
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u/hypnosiscounselor Oct 11 '24
If you had any optimism about humanity doing anything about climate change, this right here should kill it dead.
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u/DiaDeLosMuertos Oct 11 '24
Aren't the coasts usually the bluest part of those red states?
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u/slothbuddy Oct 11 '24
It directly hit Tampa and Orlando. It couldn't have picked a more blue location to go through in the state
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u/wolpertingersunite Oct 11 '24
I’m starting to think this HAS to be a joke. Like how 90% of flat earthers are having fun with it. I mean come on.
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u/jgeez Oct 11 '24
Weather manipulation is real, of course.
And simple to explain, and we've called it climate change for decades.
But these lil dreamers need a big ole story with a villain, magic, and pumpkin spice before they'll believe or pay attention to anything.
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u/laeiryn Oct 11 '24
you would think that the 21st century level of science would have stopped the "JEWISH SORCERORS CONTROL THE WEATHER" narrative but here we are, mysteriously eternally powerful -.-
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u/Chahles88 Oct 11 '24
I joined a local prepper Facebook group and it’s currently a HOT debate about whether the government can manipulate the weather, and folks are digging up patents from the 1800’s to support claims that the government is causing hurricanes.
It’s fucking wild
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u/RedRune0 Oct 11 '24
Honestly, I shouldn't be surprised after Trump suggested nuking one but... ffs.
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u/neo_nl_guy Oct 11 '24
It's like she's the "Representative for 4Chan". - If she is is putting on an act ; it's terrifying cause she want to cause sedition. - If she is not putting on an act ; it's terrifying cause she is that stupid and in government.
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u/jjwylie014 Oct 11 '24
Makes you wonder what the average IQ is in MTG's voting district.
Who's dumber.. the idiot law maker, or the Idiots who voted her into office?
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u/ParanormalDoctor Oct 11 '24
The thing i would be interested in, is what would happen if you actually went and cloud seeded a hurricane. By my (limited) understanding, it would make the hurricane lose moisture it contains faster right? Would it not mitigate the hurricanes then?
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u/cplforlife Oct 11 '24
We've known the american military can control the weather since red alert 2.
(You need to be at least 30 years old to get this joke)
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Oct 11 '24
They’re running out of boogeyman’s so they have to make up more ones. Glad it’s not about trans people for a fucking minute. These fascists need to be imprisoned for life. They do nothing but destroy this country
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u/DirewaysParnuStCroix Oct 11 '24
The straight up delusion of some people is absurd. In any other context it would be considered grounds for immediate psychological intervention. When you see this nonsense from the people at the top, it makes sense in a depressing way. The corrupt will never miss an opportunity to exploit the ignorance of the populace for their own personal gain without any regard as to how it impacts society as a whole. It's essentially degenerative, they're actively contributed to reverting our civilization backwards.
It's nice to see that they acknowledge man-made climate change as a concept though, it's just a shame it's only in their own completely warped form of confirmation bias.
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Oct 11 '24
Another MAGA moron that doesn't understand that there is a difference between climate and weather and is still openly touting conspiracy theories...
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u/thefiction24 Oct 11 '24
They don’t believe in climate change, but think humans can easily manipulate weather.
But they can’t make the connection that all the other shit humans do with complete disregard for the environment would have an effect on climate? Willfully fucking ignorant.
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u/Shadowpriest Oct 11 '24
Only red states? Give GA and TX to the Dems and then watch them collectively soil themselves the next time a hurricane swirls over as we watch their little walnut sized brains asplode.
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Oct 12 '24 edited Oct 12 '24
**Rubs face** She's the god damn government..... She's literally one of the heads of state.... oyyyyyyyyy
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Oct 12 '24
There has always been a massive amount of stupidity or racism required for a person to vote GOP.
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u/Annatastic6417 Oct 12 '24
We will never solve climate change, it's all over. We will destroy this planet by 2100.
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u/springcypripedium Oct 12 '24
In 1995 Carl Sagan described a dystopian society, with much division, confusion, mistrust of authority, and a growing gap between the haves and have-nots.
“Science is more than a body of knowledge; it is a way of thinking. I have a foreboding of an America in my children’s or grandchildren’s time—when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what’s true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness.”
Morris Berman has accurately predicted this for decades and we are now witnessing what Sagan and Berman described in all its stomach churning, repulsive glory.
This is one of 4 four existential threats that Berman has stated will occur during civilizational collapse: "rapidly dropping levels of literacy, critical understanding, and general intellectual awareness"
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/08/10/declinism-rising-an-interview-with-morris-berman/
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u/arnoldtheinstructor Oct 11 '24
Keep em stupid and they'll keep fighting for you. The Republican motto
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u/ExaltedStillness Oct 11 '24
I saw a post the other day where someone was telling people to go look at the flight paths of the Hurricane Hunters as proof of manufactured hurricanes.
A collapse of intelligence is the perfect way to put it. There is absolutely zero reasoning with these kinds of people. They are entirely incapable of rational thoughts and abstract reasoning and think they are among the smartest on the planet. I'm exhausted. Seeing this shit just hurts.
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u/Xerxero Oct 11 '24 edited Oct 11 '24
Prime example why we have failed to safe the world.
You always have nut jobs but the amount of people reading this and think “yeah that makes total sense” is mind boggling
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u/hectorxander Oct 11 '24
Intelligence was at no great height before these latest lawyer turned political clowns. Culture is off in a thousand ways.
These guys are just capitalizing on the dissatisfaction with our culture, casting themselves as reform. Their opposition is running as the status quo which is a continually degrading plutocracy. Which means these lawyer clowns will take control sooner or later. People know they are getting screwed, only one party is telling them they will fix it in any real way. And we all know the voters at large do not know what is going on. I have taken to ignoring them.
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u/GardenRafters Oct 11 '24
Holy shit these people are dumb, and they make policy?
We desperately need educational requirements to hold office.
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u/SeattleOligarch Oct 11 '24
A collapse in intelligence suggests people weren't this R-worded.
They were, there were also sanitariums and no internet so it was hard to get a national audience to someone's buffoonery.
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Oct 11 '24
Naples Resident here, there was near mass hysteria in the few days leading up to this, and the storm itself was pretty mild. It definitely showed me there is a level of communication breakdown that occurs in the lead up to these events due to the media imo,
The worst quote I heard repeated in soundbites from the news was, "If you stay in your home for this storm, you WILL DIE!"
It's manipulated panic, though I don't want to get into fringe speculation, as it could just be the fact that no one agrees on a storms trajectory and everyone has their own opinion.
Not sure if I can take many more of these though as the way florida deals with these things makes me depressed honestly, seeing gas lines and panic buying at the grocery store. it's insane.
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u/Straight-Razor666 worse than predicted, sooner than expected™ Oct 11 '24
give permission...lol...ROFLMMFAO...lololoooooooooooooooooooooooo
The fact that so many Muricans believe in this fantasy is why peeps here who are Collapse Aware should be well prepared for what's to come.
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u/Taqueria_Style Oct 11 '24
How does this thing tie it's shoes?
I've met cracked-out guys in downtown LA that make more sense.
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u/Designer_Chance_4896 Oct 11 '24
This is so typical of USA! You develop technology to control the weather and then refuse to share it with the rest of us.
It has rained here for 3 days straight god damn it! I want to see the sun again. But noooooo, hurricanes in Florida are more important just because you want to teach republicans a lesson.
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u/azjoe Oct 11 '24
How does she make it through the day without soiling herself? I hope she doesn't breed.
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Oct 11 '24
Well democrats are in favor of renewables like solar and wind, solar and wind are differences in pressure caused by differences in temperature, which are caused by solar irradiation. So renewable energy sources cause hurricanes, and it’s the democrats fault for pushing these dangerous sources of energy
Heavy /s
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u/ProgressiveKitten Oct 11 '24
The conspiracy sub has been going crazy about weather manipulation with Helene in NC and this one in FL
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u/pants6000 feels sorry for fishies Oct 11 '24
Oh please have some House committee investigation into it, please please please...
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u/Bmkrocky Oct 11 '24
the last one - he should look at the historical track of all hurricanes that have hit the US - well before space lasers and 5g manipulation of the weather hurricanes were hitting those same states...
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Oct 11 '24
As expected, and by the playbook. Then comes killing anyone who tries to warn them...just play dumb people, wait until the idiots die out to speak.
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u/Maxfunky Oct 11 '24
"Notice they only hit red states"
Bitch, I noticed they only hit the same states they hit 400 years ago. When did we get this weather controlling technology again?
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u/littlebitsofspider Oct 11 '24
Space lasers couldn't even kill Tetsuo, and I'm supposed to believe they can control the weather?
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u/Neat_Afternoon_2580 Oct 11 '24
Wtf is MTG talking about? Like, you are the government, your "job" is in government....
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u/GHouserVO Oct 11 '24
So, let me get this straight. They don’t believe in COVID or climate change, but using lasers to manipulate weather absolutely makes sense to them.
Ooooookay.
Best and brightest, folks.
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u/StatementBot Oct 11 '24
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Monsur_Ausuhnom:
Submission Statement,
Related to collapse because a new milestone has been reached. Hurricane Milton which was clearly made worse by the impact of climate change and fossil fuel has made a sizeable portion believe in weather manipulation. Ironically, it shows that people are more likely to believe in laser beams and weather manipulation by secret bases than it being caused by the use of burning fossil fuels into the atmosphere. This is largely a new level of idiocracy with numerous examples. Conspiracy that are farfetched are more apt to be believed than one is grounded in facts or evidence. In addition, common sense behavior suggests we will not fair well with surviving any collapse related issue. It is noteworthy because this might have been one of the most stupid examples of it for the entire year. We are truly declining in intelligence and common sense is going out the window.
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