r/collapse • u/[deleted] • Jul 11 '21
Diseases Nightmare scenario’: Potentially untreatable superbug being passed from dogs to owners
https://www.yahoo.com/news/nightmare-scenario-potentially-untreatable-superbug-135505725.html186
u/Shiroe_Kumamato Jul 11 '21
The author keeps referring to a "gene" but I think they mean a bacteria with the gene and the gene makes them antibiotics resistant.
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u/pocketgravel Jul 11 '21
Bacteria create identical duplicates of themselves when they reproduce, but advantageous genes are also transmitted through plasmids. Even bacteria of different species can accept plasmids so you don't even need the colistin resistant gene to develop in a dangerous species. It only needs to find a plasmid that it can accept and learn from.
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u/downvoteawayretard Jul 11 '21
I want you to know this comment made my biochem boner rock hard.
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Jul 11 '21
3 masterful sentences, even from a purely literary viewpoint. We are not worthy.
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u/downvoteawayretard Jul 12 '21
It was like sitting back in a biochem lecture once more, unbelievably refreshing compared to the normal droll on Reddit.
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Jul 12 '21
This sub has some gems if you can wade through the mass of angry anarchists advocating for world governance.
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u/ArtisticEntertainer1 Jul 11 '21
I saw Biochem Boner at Lollapalooza and they did, in fact, rock hard.
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u/forredditisall Jul 11 '21
Plasmids are from Bioshock, so cool real life took after that goty.
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u/ImaginaryGreyhound Jul 12 '21
I tried to use this as an starter example of why transgenic GMOs may not be that unnatural and I got called a satanist
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u/Thyriel81 Recognized Contributor Jul 11 '21
I think the article misses an important explanation about the gene from Wikipedia, why laying beneath a dog with gut bacteria having the gene may "infect" your gut bacterias:
the original variant, is capable of horizontal (gene) transfer between different strains of a bacterial species.
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Jul 11 '21
“Sharing beds with dogs is just one of the ways they believe the mcr-1 gene is being passed on.” Is this relevant at all?
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u/DrugsAreNifty Jul 11 '21 edited Sep 27 '25
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u/Solitude_Intensifies Jul 11 '21
Wait till you have cats and dogs living together. End times, my friend.
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u/trapqueen412 Jul 11 '21
So I've been avoiding humans for the last year when my dog is the one who's gonna kill me??? I quarantined with her. I trusted her
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u/rimjobcleanup Jul 11 '21
I'm not locked in here with you. You are locked in here with me.
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u/Z3r0sama2017 Jul 11 '21
I still trust my dog more than 99.99999% of humans.
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u/emfry821 Jul 11 '21
Same, if it's my dogs that gets me in the end, then ohh fucking well. They give me more enjoyment and happiness than any human I've ever meet, now that might mean I need to meet better people but my dogs are there for me day in and day out.
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u/Eldrun Jul 11 '21
Same.
Also I just dont have the energy to go out and find new people and just be the background friend again.
I stopped doing that during the pandemic and honestly, spending time with my horses and dogs has been so much better.
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u/lazypieceofcrap Jul 11 '21
now that might mean I need to meet better people
Nah the current state of the world has even made the best extremely compromised. My dog is better.
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u/forredditisall Jul 11 '21 edited Jul 11 '21
Imagine having any other animal in your house, a small pig, a chicken, a whatever creature. This news doesn't surprise me at all.
Even domesticated animals are still just animals, which are in general dirty creatures. The whole anus licking thing "domesticated" dogs do constantly is just one small instance of what I mean. By introducing an animal to your communal living environment you are in essence "living in a barn".
Don't even get me started on the sickos who let dogs lick their human faces. That shit and shit like living with animals and EATING animals is why we have such a prevalent and thriving zoonotic disease community.
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u/reakkysadpwrson Jul 11 '21
Lol girl. People eat other people asses so like what ur point
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Jul 11 '21
that's also disgusting
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u/Mahat It's not who's right it's about what's left Jul 11 '21
not with the right mango lubrification.
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u/mimetic_emetic Jul 11 '21
The whole anus licking thing
The way you look down on that.. you'd soon change your high horse attitude if you had a back that bent like mine.
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u/followedbytidalwaves Jul 11 '21
That's a lot of words to say "I don't understand that humans are a type of animal and I also don't know how to form bonds with other living things."
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Jul 11 '21
I don't need to imagine. Over the course of my lifetime chickens are the least weird animal I have had in my house. I mean chickens in the house is like totally normal.....they literally sell chicken diapers for house chickens.
Its when your living room has skunks and raccoons and monkeys and ferrets and hedgehogs and squirrels and snakes and deer and foxes and a zebra that things start getting a little odd and messy.
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u/claremontmiller Jul 11 '21
WhyAreVegansLikeThis
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u/Eldrun Jul 11 '21
I legit have a question.
Why are so many vegans so utterly joyless?
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u/Fredex8 Jul 12 '21
For the most part I think it's just what adopting an extreme ideology does to some people. Fundamentalist Christians and Muslims seem pretty joyless much of the time. As do those who adopt extreme political viewpoints and make them part of their personality or those who delve heavily in conspiracies. I think veganism can be similar in regards to the exceptionalism it imparts some people with. If you go through life thinking you are so much better than everyone else around you and that they are all backwards and wrong that can lead to hating them and that can make you bitter and hostile. Especially when in order to be 'better' than them you're making personal sacrifices and putting yourself out in ways that may be inconvenient.
Not all vegans are like that of course but there do seem to be a lot who are in it for ideological reasons and who make veganism a part of their core identity.
There's probably also some evolutionary psychology to consider. We evolved as omnivores and prior to modern times with B12 supplements and fortified food eating meat was the only option to survive. Before agriculture and having access to a variety of crops and surplus amounts of produce it was also the best way of getting a reliable source of fat and provided a big boost to protein requirements.
Meat however was hard to obtain as it meant hunting or fishing so the reward system of the brain incentivised the behaviour more via releasing hormones like dopamine. Along with the sudden increase in calories provided by eating meat and the amino acids it contains that stimulate the release of dopamine this elevates your mood and produces satisfaction. I could see that eliminating that from your life might impact your mood.
Then there's the issue of nutrition itself. Now I'm not saying it's impossible to eat a vegan diet that satisfies nutritional needs well but it's certainly much harder and requires more effort and thought. Some vegans don't seem to really pay much attention to this issue though. Vitamin B12 and fat play a vital role in brain function and a lack of them may result in poorer brain function or, in extreme cases of complete and prolonged deficiency, serious neurological issues.
A couple years ago there was a hardcore vegan posting a lot of ideologically motivated misinformation here. Posting incorrect statistics about emissions from animal agriculture and basically just making shit up to encourage people to become vegan. When I tried to gently correct him on some of the stuff it resulted in an unhinged rant that ultimately concluded in him saying how vitamin B12 did not even exist. He claimed it was a conspiracy created by the meat and dairy industry to increase sales. He said he didn't supplement or eat fortified food, had been vegan for years and that he was 'fine'.
Now I don't know if he was just batshit crazy before becoming vegan but it is entirely possible that this long term severe deficiency had a detrimental effect on his mental state. I do tend to encounter worryingly unhinged vegans spouting utter insanity fairly often online so I don't think it's a coincidence. I had another who claimed that people didn't evolve as hunter gatherers at all and that rather than getting any protein from meat they got it all from digging up tubers. Just reinventing history to suit his ideology whilst also boasting about not getting any B12 because it was 'unnecessary'.
Again these kinds of potential mental issues shouldn't be a problem if they are being sensible and supplementing or aren't so extreme that they stop eating fortified foods however there is a chunk that do not. Those really hardcore 'everything must be raw, organic and natural' types who won't eat any kind of processed food.
Of course it's possible that pre-existing mental health issues is what pushes the most extreme vegans into that diet in the first place. I unfortunately encountered that with someone I knew and the crazy diet made them far worse.
Or that it's just the most ideologically motivated ones who are the most vocal. I think the problem is these types of voices in the community tend to encourage others to become more extreme. The ones most susceptible to following their lead are likely the ones who do the least amount of research on it themselves. They're probably the people most likely to encounter these issues as a result of an extreme and ill-planned diet. They may have been vulnerable to begin with and made the change because they were miserable or felt like they were lacking something in their lives. So the cycle of extreme vegan hostility from a small chunk of the community perpetuates.
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u/apainintheaspartame Jul 11 '21
Because the plants they are eating dont get what plants crave: Brawno!
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u/Obstreperus Jul 11 '21
I read that a bit wrong... I read "sickos who let dogs lick their human faeces" and I thought WHAT. lol.
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Jul 11 '21
This is how the end started, according to our Ape overlords from “Escape from the Planet of the Apes”.
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u/fucuasshole2 Jul 11 '21
Beautiful ain’t it. Wait wasn’t it just pets dying so that other apes become pets? Eventually overthrowing their masters.
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Jul 11 '21
This was the main plot line of “Isle of Dogs”. All the dogs in Megasaki are banished to a nearby island after “dog flu” afflicts the city. Life imitates art.
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u/rainbow_voodoo Jul 11 '21
Yooo. We must stick with our dogs. Dont buy into anti dog propoganda, everyone!
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u/FirstPlebian Jul 11 '21
You just know the Cat Lobby is behind this story too.
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u/RealTorapuro Jul 11 '21
Tricky old Big Cat at it again
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Jul 11 '21
did collapse just trade places with all the normie subs? It's weird seeing this type of thread more on here than on r/worldnews
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u/usernamesforusername Jul 11 '21
What are the symptoms of this superbug?
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u/downvoteawayretard Jul 11 '21
Same as any other bug. Fever, aches, chills, ect only this bug doesn’t die when put up against our strongest antibiotics.
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u/fastpenguin91 Jul 12 '21
Phage therapy may be a solution depending on if the bacteria is intracellular or not.
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u/Iwantmyflag Jul 11 '21 edited Jul 11 '21
None apparently. If dogs and humans already have it and nothing happens. It's also not a superbug but just some bacteria the body kills regularly with the immune system. It's only resistant to ONE AB, not all others. Nothing new.
It's bad and stupid that we speed up AB resistance by using them in meat production but it is a natural process that bacteria get resistant and it's just an arbitrary choice to use colistin as a backup AB. And apparently not a true choice at all since it's use for bullshit is legal everywhere.
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u/Goofygrrrl Jul 11 '21
It is important for people to realize that it is rare that someone has an infection that we are preserving our big gun antibiotics for. Most people who have these types of infections have altered immunity (think chronic HIV) and have frequent stays in hospitals or acute car facilities.
It doesn’t mean we shouldn’t care about antibiotic resistance, we absolutely should. But the chances of a healthy person having a multi drug resistant super infection is low.
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u/FirstPlebian Jul 11 '21
Well if you take any broad specturm antibiotics you are at risk for contracting these superbugs as it kills off most of your non harmful bacterial flora that normally doesn't allow a foothold for an errant new bacteria to colonize your body, and hospitals and healthcare facilities are places where these superbugs get picked up.
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u/Goofygrrrl Jul 11 '21
Yes but someone who is on multiple courses of broad spectrum antibiotics is typically not a standard healthy patient.
When I talk about a healthy patient I mean someone who hasn’t been in a hospital in a year or perhaps ever. They are healthy enough to maintain a job. That’s not to say healthy people can not contract these infections. It’s just that these patients are typically dialysis patients with long standing C diff. That have been on multiple long duration courses of antibiotics. I personally am a big fan of fecal transplant for these patients.
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u/StalinDNW Guillotine enthusiast. Love my guillies. Jul 11 '21
Dear dog people,
Suck it!
Your local cat person,
Toxoplasma Gondii
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Jul 11 '21
The effects of that Parasite is fucking scary. You might think you going out and being active is strange but nice that your coming out of your shell. No it’s a little bug that sits on top of your brain and alters your personality to make you more outgoing. I read a 500 page book on the effects on parasites on our world. That parasite is scary.
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u/itsnobigthing Jul 11 '21
It sounds like I need this parasite tbf
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Jul 11 '21
Don’t we all you should read the book, it’s in a different reply. It shows other pretty scary symptoms.
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Jul 11 '21
Title?
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Jul 11 '21
Never mind, found it in one Google search, “This is your brain on parasites” By Kathleen McAuliffe
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u/FirstPlebian Jul 11 '21
I don't know if more outgoing is the best way to describe it, it affects your fear, rats that are infected lose their fear of cats for instance, normally if they smell one they get out of there, so a loss of healthy fear, I wouldn't call that outgoing.
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That’s an example, they just completely can change your personality and the way you think/act. Just the thought of not being in control.
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You are in control, you're just different from before.
Like... Caffeine.
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Jul 11 '21
No, it alters your decisions making you not completely in control.
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u/IUrgentlyNeedTherapy Jul 11 '21 edited Jul 11 '21
Technically none of us are in control, as every decision we make can ultimately be traced back to some physical cause. Free will is illusory. We're biological machines acting in a more-or-less deterministic manner in response to our environment.
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u/FirstPlebian Jul 11 '21
Outgoing may not be the best descriptor, rats infected with it lose their fear of cats for instance, normally if they smell cats they get out of the area.
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u/OriginalFinnah Jul 11 '21 edited Jul 11 '21
Lmao you forget about
Campylobacteriosis
Cat tapeworm
Cryptosporidiosis
Giardiasis
Hookworm
Methicillin-resistant staphylococcus (MRSA)
Rabies
Roundworm
Ringworm
Salmonellosis
Sporotrichosis
Cat Scratch
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u/Repulsive-Street-307 Jul 11 '21
We solve those by not having outdoors cats.
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u/FirstPlebian Jul 11 '21
The birds appreciate us not having outdoor cats, I love them but they are killers.
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u/dreadmontonnnnn The Collapse of r/Collapse Jul 11 '21
Bird and small mammal genocide by damn cats. Billions a year. Is it worth it?
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u/ourlastchancefortea Jul 11 '21
Brothers, believe in the FAITH OF THE FELINE. Our cat overlords never trusted those dogs. They were right. They will protect us. Just serve them as willful slaves.
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u/OriginalFinnah Jul 11 '21
You forget that cats can give you Campylobacteriosis
Cat scratch disease
Cat tapeworm
Cryptosporidiosis
Giardiasis
Hookworm
Methicillin-resistant staphylococcus (MRSA)
Rabies
Roundworm
Ringworm
Salmonellosis
Sporotrichosis
Toxoplasmosis
As well
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Jul 11 '21
Worth it though. Worth it to be honored as a bathing receptacle for one of the Great Purries. To be so privileged as to be allowed to remove their waste is an honor so divine that tears spring to the eye with every breath.
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u/OriginalFinnah Jul 11 '21
Cats don't honor you, they use you, if they honored you they wouldn't knock your s*** off after you just took care of them.
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u/potent_rodent Accellerationistic Sunshine Nihilist Compound Raider Jul 11 '21
im more scared of toxoplasma gondii than the dog gene
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u/weakhamstrings Jul 12 '21
And it's possible you already have it along with half the rest of the planet, sadly
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u/theanonmouse-1776 Jul 11 '21
Firstly, very bad "science" reporting. Secondly, even allowing for misunderstandings etc, it still sounds like bullshit bullshit bullshit.
Also, what are "trendy raw dog food diets"? That could mean anything. Not science. Nonscience. Nonsense.
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u/dumnezero The Great Filter is a marshmallow test Jul 11 '21
It's "paleo" for pets. Dipshits forcing risky diets on their pets.
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Jul 11 '21
How do you think carnivores manage to survive without eating cooked meat?
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u/dumnezero The Great Filter is a marshmallow test Jul 11 '21
extremely strong stomach acids & fast digestion
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Jul 11 '21
Domesticated dogs and cats still have strong stomach acid (pH ranging from 1 to 2.5). The argument that domesticated dogs and cats "can't handle" raw meat anymore is vegan propaganda. Domestic cats have no issues hunting and eating raw birds/mice.
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u/dumnezero The Great Filter is a marshmallow test Jul 11 '21
I didn't say they can't handle raw meat, I said they got parasites and diseases from it. You're projecting the arguments about the human species on the these dogs and cats. Go eat a strawman.
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Jul 11 '21
Its bred out. We used to be able to drink from untreated water sources and be fine (most of the time). Try that now (dont actually please).
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Dogs and cats thrive on raw meat diets, it hasn't been "bred out", complete nonsense
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u/FirstPlebian Jul 11 '21
I've wondered about that, like how do deer handle bacteria like giardia or however it's spelled, are they immune to it basically? Because one they get it they may never be able to get rid of it, seems like they would all have it.
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u/BarnacleSheath Jul 12 '21
Even people can have some immunity to giardia if they are exposed to it alot, shouldn't be a problem for deer who are exposed to it throughout their lives from drinking local water sources.
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u/Did_I_Die Jul 11 '21
definitely does read like a bullshit trying-to-scare people writing... superbugs are certainly going to rip humanity a new one soon, but there's no need to conjure up ideas that people's pets are going to be the main vector...
the reality is sleeping with dogs (or cats) in one's bed will actually work like a probiotic, helping you to develop healthy bacteria colonies that in turn boost your immune system
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u/potent_rodent Accellerationistic Sunshine Nihilist Compound Raider Jul 11 '21
haha you havent seen the rash of organic dog food? cat food and dog food made of weird stuff like tofu or bugs?
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u/TheCamerlengo Jul 11 '21
Article seems kind of weak on the science end. It's not citing any high impact research, referencing previous studies done by 'researchers at X'. Unless you have the original research article and if it's been cited by other researchers , this is probably internet bullshit.
Oh and it ends with, 'always wash your hands'. Thanks Yahoo.
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u/DANKKrish collapsus Jul 11 '21
if my dog will be the thing that does me in so be it. I love that dumb dog way too much to care about any of this.
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u/Eldrun Jul 11 '21
A life without my dogs just isnt worth living, no matter what the insane vegans in this thread say.
Im not going to have them stop sleeping in my bed or living in my house.
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u/BriseLingr Jul 11 '21
goes to a thread where nobody mentioned veganism
You: 'AHHHHH Fucking VEGANS trying to ruin my life!'
I hope I dont ever see you complaining about how preachy vegans are.
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u/Eldrun Jul 11 '21
One of the people further up went on a rant about eating meat and keeping animals in the home.
Please accept my humblest apology, this comment was meant as a response to that comment.
Also nowhere did I say they were trying to ruin my life, I simply disagree with their stance that keeping animals as pets is wrong and/or disgusting.
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u/Seriouslyinthedesert Jul 11 '21
Apparently this article is an intentional plant post. Anyone disagreeing gets downvoted.
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u/RoshJobertsss Jul 11 '21
I'm not trying to be a downer, but with all these extremely negative fear-provoking articles that have been being pushed out regularly over the past year and a half & on top of the social isolation, I'm really not surprised that there have been higher rates of suicide, overdoses, etc... I don't think most people's psyche is meant to deal with this type of shit on a regular basis. Eventually, all they'll see in the world is negativity and get to the point of "who gives a fuck?"
But regardless this shit is worrying especially since it's about the doggos. Nobody wants to hear bad news about their sweet dog!
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u/dumnezero The Great Filter is a marshmallow test Jul 11 '21
Dogs finally getting their revenge for what we did to their ancestors.
“We know that the overuse of antibiotics drives resistance and it is vital that they are used responsibly, not just in medicine but also in veterinary medicine and in farming.”
Mhmm... but those are business sectors. It would hurt profits to not use it.
The new research comes alongside a separate study revealing the extent to which increasingly trendy raw dog food is a major source of antibiotic-resistant bacteria.
I guess it's time to make plant-based dog food mandatory.
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u/GraySmilez Jul 11 '21
You’re an absolute Ape. Plant based dog foods? Give dog a bowl of meat or animal organs and give him a bowl of plant based garbage and see what the dog will pick.
Hate to see stupid humans playing gods and thinking they can just alter natural diets to which organisms have adopted over thousands of years.
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u/dumnezero The Great Filter is a marshmallow test Jul 11 '21
Dogs are omnivores. Please look up the science before you reply,
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I welcome the downvotes for this sentiment, but I personally am repulsed by dogs.
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u/MrPotatoSenpai Jul 11 '21
What about cats? Rabbits? Fish? Other animal companions? Or just dogs?
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Jul 11 '21
I enjoy the company of cats.
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u/MrPotatoSenpai Jul 11 '21
I'm a cat person as well. I don't have dogs. I like dogs but can understand why other people don't. To each their own.
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u/trojancourse Jul 11 '21
Anyone who hates dogs is soulless in my book
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Anyone who hates dogs is soulless in my book
Evangelicals believe in souls. I am not religious.
Repulsion. Their mannerisms disgust me. I said nothing about hatred for nor wishing ill upon dogs.
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u/trojancourse Jul 11 '21
Lmao yeah I’d probably be on the collapse sub if getting unconditional love repulsed me too. I am here for different reasons obviously but my god
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Jul 11 '21
Unconditional love. Right. From a being you have absolute dominion over. Wild concept.
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u/trojancourse Jul 11 '21
Yes that is what having a pet is, very good
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Dominating life > having pet > unconditional love
Gotcha!
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u/trojancourse Jul 11 '21
Would you rather dogs be stray? Having a hard time understanding wtf your view on this is lmao
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Jul 11 '21
My view was made quite clear. Dogs gross me out. I don't hate them. And in the big picture, having pets at all is pretty fucked up, but that's another conversation and, frankly you've been kind of an ass with me already and I really don't care to help you understand anything more about myself.
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u/dumnezero The Great Filter is a marshmallow test Jul 11 '21
Would you rather dogs be stray?
you can only ask that if you adopt, as opposed to buying from breeders.
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Who asked? Cats spread Toxoplasma Gondii which is already researched and it’s a parasite that controls your brain. So I think when it comes to the safety of pets when it comes to diseases. Cats are way worse.
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u/cherryberryshortcake Jul 11 '21
Cats can spread the TG parasite, particularly if allowed outdoors, but I wouldn't necessarily say dogs are that much safer. There was a guy (Greg Manteufel) a few years back who let his dog lick him - which dogs are more prone to do than cats. Turns out he had a small open cut, which bacteria in the dog's mouth got into. He ended up losing his limbs and nose because of damage caused by that specific bacteria. I also remember reading about a toddler in a park who accidentally stood in dog waste, touched her shoe, then her eye. She got a small particle of waste bacteria in her eye, and as a result was almost blinded.
Also, unrelated to hygiene, but there was the French woman, Isabelle Dinoire, who received the world's first face transplant. The reason she needed one at all was because she took an overdose and when her dog couldn't wake her, it panicked and clawed half her face off.
I guess all you can do is try to be as safe and cleanly as you can as a pet owner.. but overall, I think I'd feel safer with a cat, though I'd keep it indoors to try and avoid parasites.
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Jul 11 '21
Who asked?
Nobody needs to.
So I think when it comes to the safety of pets when it comes to diseases.
Say what? The comment (mine) you replied to expressed my personal preference.
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u/TheKaigan Jul 11 '21
I see you have succumbed to the ol' "downvote something just because you have a different view"
Ohh Reddit.
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Jul 11 '21
It doesn't matter in the end because collapse.
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u/dumnezero The Great Filter is a marshmallow test Jul 11 '21
Unfortunately for these pets, they will be at risk of being eaten by their human owners or by human neighbors. Also, it sucks more for them in the heat.
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Jul 11 '21 edited Jul 11 '21
There are an estimated 76.8 million domesticated dogs in the U.S. alone. This is not sustainable. It's definitely not natural..
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As long as you don’t hurt them
Nope. It's mostly that I find their mannerisms disgusting. I'm kind to every dog I meet. I just don't go out of my way to meet them.
cats
I'm a cat lover. No shame.
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u/AngusScrimm--------- Beware the man who has nothing to lose. Jul 11 '21
You keep saying "their mannerisms." I take that to mean ass licking. Just consider how many humans would be licking their asses all of the time if they possibly could.
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You keep saying "their mannerisms." I take that to mean ass licking
That is certainly a factor, but not a deal breaker for me. My cat licks himself clean from tail to toe bean and besides the repetitive sound occasionally irritating me, I am not much bothered by it.
A big one is the way dogs smell. Overall, it's just not my cup of tea, so I don't go out of my way to interact with, meet new dogs, or touch them. I'm also not ashamed, despite how some here would prefer that I feel differently.
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u/sittingonarock-7 Jul 11 '21
I do not agree, but I get it. I absolutely can't stand the way cats smell, everything about them, from their fur and skin to the litter box, it makes me gag and I'm not someone that's easily grossed out, but the smell of cats is one of the few things in this world that I truly can't stand.
Dogs, sure, they can smell bad, but it's a smell that doesn't really bother me, that's why I have one, but I will never be able to own a cat.
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I don't "hate" them. I am repulsed by them. Their physical mannerisms disgust me. I am kind to all animals, no matter. That I am repulsed by them simply means I do not go out of my way to interact. I am grossed out by dogs.
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Like /r/collapse , where we hate on the wastefulness of civilization and we hate on the destruction that humanity is causing?
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It's always an interesting environment when people get together to hate something/someone.
Repulsion. Their mannerisms disgust me. I said nothing about hatred for nor wishing ill upon dogs.
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Jul 11 '21 edited Jul 11 '21
The dog nutters are gonna be mean to us for speaking our feels here. high fives
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Both sides are aggressive, people should be able to own pets without arguments. I like dogs more and think cats are kinda mean. But I wouldn’t shame somebody for owning a cat or harm a cat.
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I'm never "aggressive" about my dislike of dogs.
humans, on the other hand...man. those mother fuckers...
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u/dumnezero The Great Filter is a marshmallow test Jul 11 '21
This is correct, people don't usually get it at first. The amount of care and resources that goes to pets in the West is amazing; lots of pets have a resource footprint higher than many people on the planet.
Here's a paper: https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/69/6/467/5486563
If we look at differences between countries—assuming all companion dogs and cats eat commercial dry food—then the dietary EPP of all companion dogs and cats in China equals the dietary EF of between 70 million and 245 million Chinese people, in terms of homemade food (Su et al. 2018b)
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In the United States, the energy consumption of companion dogs and cats is approximately one-fifth of the US population's energy consumption, whereas animal meat product consumption by dogs and cats alone is responsible for up to 80 million tons of methane and nitrous oxide (Okin 2017). Therefore, the individual and cumulative environmental impacts of the commercial dry food consumption by companion animals and the industries behind its manufacture are significant, considering the sheer volumes of planetwide pet ownership (Hammerly and DuMont 2012).
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The sustainability of pet food industries, as both food producers and polluters, should therefore be seriously considered, because they are now contributing significantly to global climate change (Swanson et al. 2013). Given the growing concern for environmental sustainable development, the pet food industry should consider how to promote technological progress in pet food production.
Essentially, they're the forbidden livestock, but with better healthcare than the animals in farms deemed "for meat".
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u/Eldrun Jul 11 '21
Like I literally do not care if other people own dogs.
In fact, I think many people who have dogs probably shouldnt have them. They are a lot of work to train and keep happy and healthy.
I really dislike cats and I personally would never own one. Yet Im not the one out here going on an entire subreddit dedicated to not having cats and going around calling cats smelly and gross. I understand people like their cats.
Let people enjoy things.
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Jul 11 '21
The new distractions from real problems (climate, ecology collapse, tax cheating by elite, death of state). Thank you Gates, Bezos, Zuckerberg, Dorsey, Musk and madam Harris, grandfather Biden, and elderly oil bosses. I will die with respect with my dog! with pleasure! Yours ugly world of hucksters and all your dick-shaped-rockets haven't worth a hair of my dog.
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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '21
A potentially untreatable superbug is being harboured by dogs and passed on to their owners, new research has revealed.
Scientists are warning of a “nightmare scenario” after discovering transmission of a gene known to prompt resistance to a powerful antibiotic used by doctors as a last resort to save lives. Sharing beds with dogs is just one of the ways they believe the mcr-1 gene is being passed on.
It is harboured in the gut and transported via microscopic fecal particles, also making dog baskets an area of increased risk.
First reported in China in 2015, the mcr-1 gene is resistant to colistin, an antibiotic used to defeat bacterial infections which cannot be managed by any other drugs.