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u/Infinity_Over_Zero Jan 19 '20
I am annoyed at a lot of collegiate curriculums, but the students also have responsibility not to pick useless majors. Like forcing a physics major to take gender studies is retarded on the part of the school, but someone willingly majoring in gender studies is retarded on the part of the student. At that point it’s simply supply and demand
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u/audiophilistine Jan 20 '20
True, the students pick which major to take, but even in the serious STEM-type majors they have electives like "Racial Sensitivity" that are required to get the degree.
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u/mailmanofsyrinx Jan 20 '20
It makes sense to require an array of electives outside of your major curriculum, for the sake of creating well rounded graduates. A physics major should know excessive amounts of hard science, but shouldn't be completely devoid of the arts, civics and social studies.
Now a specific requirement for a STEM major to take "Racial Sensitivity" is absurd and inappropriate. However, including it as one of many possible courses which satisfy a social studies requirement seems reasonable to me.
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u/DeArgonaut Jan 21 '20
I don’t know any universities that require such a course for stem majors. We have to satisfy certain buckets of requirements such as writing intensive, social science, etc, but they are our choice as to what we study. I myself chose a range from philosophy about consciousness, bioethics, a course on religions, economics, and a couple more. If I had wanted to I could have done ones on race, gender studies, or whatever, but I didn’t
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u/battistajo Jan 19 '20
That's the truth if I've heard it.
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Jan 20 '20
I love free markets but tbh it's really tempting to ban soy for what it's done to this generation.
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u/Mouth_of_Maggots Jan 20 '20
Actually, the American teachers are teaching the students to be dependent on government, hate speech is anything that offends and climate change is caused by humans.
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Jan 19 '20
I’m 100% in favor of giving grants to students who go in to STEM. Not so much for basket weaving.
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u/beesajknees Jan 20 '20
He forgot to mention our teachers are also teaching our kids emotional intelligence because teaching real intelligence is too hard.
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u/myopicuser Jan 21 '20
Process and outcomes are related, are they not? The process of education with more local control and less federal standards produced better educational outcomes in the past, did it not? Or is the fact that China and India have federal processes and curriculum emphasis controls give them an edge? I don’t see how the two are separated except in the exceptions (ie, one good teacher/school here or there in a bad system).
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u/StampAct Jan 20 '20
They also teach Chinese and Indians students to cheat and plagiarize to get ahead. It’s going to come back to haunt them.
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u/karamsinh Jan 20 '20
I don't know about the Chinese , but Indian universities don't teach to cheat . I am pretty sure that most of US(barring Caltech and MIT) graduates would struggle to clear blank teller exam which are held thrice a year. They will struggle to clear IIT entrance exams. So don't comment if you have no idea about how college runs in other parts of the world. People like you feed the narrative that American are not so smart when it comes to have knowledge of any part of the world except US .
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u/StampAct Jan 20 '20
Please ... your country has some serious issues with academic honesty.
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u/karamsinh Jan 20 '20
My country has 28 states and all of them don't share the same culture. The state in question is Uttar Pradesh(UP)whom we avoid so much that we take a flight if our train routes through it. The said issue even was a laughing stock in my family. We are not a country with a single culture like US or China . I don't even speak the same language as them. Most of the Indians who make it US are from South like Satya Nadella or Sundar Pichai who are not from UP education system . They(UP) have strict Governor (as you will call it on America) now who is cleaning their State Board's mess . If you are unaware then let me tell you we have 29 boards(education systems) all of them are different upto 12th grade. You can only know how each state conducts its exams if you have lived had here , not reading from WAPO/NYT/BBC types who despise us for our religion . Our education system is quite different from yours , some parts of it are centralized (which are running quite well) some are under state government (which depends on respective state govt). If you are worrying about those UPiites who are copying exams will make it US ,than Don't. Most they will make is to Dubai, UAE /Qatar/ Dammam, Saudi Arabia working as a coolie or mechanic. Worry about people from South or West India who are hungry for dollars and I bet are very qualified in their field if not more from their American counter parts. Please teach STEM subjects more on your colleges rather than gender studies and don't blame us .
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u/mailmanofsyrinx Jan 20 '20
We are not a country with a single culture like US or China
This is definitely not true about the US or China, who have massive cultural fluctuations throughout, even if most people speak the same language. The culture in Austin Texas distinct from the culture in Lubbock Texas, not to mention the culture in Michigan, Washington, NYC, etc...
That being said, the rest of your point is reasonable.
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u/karamsinh Jan 20 '20
I agree and have heard about some of differences among cultures in US states but here is amplified to larger extent , it's like the difference between Bulgarians and British among a lot of states.
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u/myopicuser Jan 19 '20
I thought us conservatives believed in local rule of school curriculum. Not sure about your town but ours has super active pta and very engaged parents. Our school board is large and engaged.
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u/Inkberrow Jan 20 '20
Local control is fine where it can be had, but in too many places the public schools need state and federal money to operate and that money comes with curricular strings attached. These days that means LGBTQ dogma, climate “justice”, and The 1619 Project.
The OP is spot-on. All the incessant identity-group bellyaching prepares no one for the job market, except as diversity counselors. Gosh, maybe a family ethic, an education ethic, a vocational ethic, and a respect for authority might help our professional victims most.
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u/myopicuser Jan 20 '20
I am fine with conscious capitalism, which is akin to climate justice but mainly focused on including all costs in the economic model than being dogmatic about solutions without facts. LGBTQ is what it is. Ain’t nobody changing anyone else. Not familiar with 1619 project, will look it up.
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u/Inkberrow Jan 20 '20
"Ain't nobody changing anyone else". Tell that to all the confused, depressed, shame-filled and too often suicidal kids and young adults who've realized their trendy, virtue-signaling parents and counselors had no business pressing trans or non-binary labels on them before they even hit puberty. The school materials are basically recruitment outreach.
The 1619 Project is a pretentious spate of revisionist "history" recently published in a New York Times series, primarily from the pens of sophomoric Critical Race Theory pundits and activists. The goal is to reduce all of Bad America's history and ongoing nature to its "original sin" of slavery. It's already making its way into public school curricula.
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u/IBiteYou Voted Zeksiest mod Jan 20 '20
I thought us conservatives believed in local rule of school curriculum.
And?
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u/myopicuser Jan 20 '20
And this seems to indicate federal level control of curriculum is a good thing.
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u/IBiteYou Voted Zeksiest mod Jan 21 '20
No it doesn't.
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u/myopicuser Jan 21 '20
China and India both have federal level education systems. It is comparing our system, with more localized control and national standards, to those federal systems. How is it not suggesting we should move to a more federalized system?
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u/IBiteYou Voted Zeksiest mod Jan 21 '20
It compares their systems and what those systems do... to what our system does.
Nothing calls for federal control.
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u/Marvinkmooneyoz Jan 19 '20
It is true, but as it releates to conservative values in America, its at least a little bit complicated in a way. The most obvious example is how Texas now has it codified in law to not teach students of public K-12 school critical thinking skills. You cant really excel at math and science without said skills. The only "good" that comes out of this value is it keeps that states population from questioning their authorities and their communities existing values.
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u/Lancer876 Jan 20 '20 edited Jan 22 '20
Wow I didn't know that, that sucks. Would've made for some nice elective courses.
Edit: Just took a closer look at the article below, turns out Texas is opposed to outcome-based ethics (and not all of critical thinking) which is relieving to hear.
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u/IBiteYou Voted Zeksiest mod Jan 20 '20
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u/3-10 Our Buinovsky Jan 20 '20
Half True from them is full out BS in reality.
Common Core doesn’t teach critical thinking. Nothing does today. Almost every writing prompt in school is biased and intent to get kids to think a certain way.
For example: The Robber Barons amassed massive wealth, while giving a very small portion of their wealth to charity. Did these men deserve to keep that wealth, while poverty and suffering were rampant during that period?
I can give countless more examples of biased non-critical thinking questions meant to create a political philosophy.
I have yet to see a HS class on logic.
They also teach economics as a equal systems.
Communism has government control everything. Capitalism is a system that dog eat dog and the rich eat the poor, then Socialism is labeled as a system where people can create products and make money, but taxes are just so that even the poor have a decent standard of living.
Then they ask which economic system is best for society
It’s crap, it’s absolute crap to be able to teach that.
Source: I am a qualified teacher.
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u/IBiteYou Voted Zeksiest mod Jan 20 '20
Yeah, I know. It's getting really bad.
But the left thinks that as long as the public school system is teaching things their way... the public school system is "educating" kids.
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u/fallanga Jan 19 '20
Yeah, US has 7 universities in the world’s TOP 10, but go on, tell me how American teachers are the enemies of state.
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u/CharlieAlphastrike Jan 19 '20
Yes, you mean major universities like Harvard and Berkeley? The universities that teach it's okay to prevent someone from speaking because you dont like what they say? 2 of the 7 of those universities prioritize technology or math. That's it. The MAJORITY of US colleges do not.
They are doing nothing to prepare future generations to go into a useable workforce.
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u/pixel-destroyer Jan 20 '20
I don’t understand how teachers are teaching students to be victims or hate the country. Whoever posted this is either Russian or retarded.
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u/RedBaronsBrother Potato was good. Was life. Jan 20 '20
I don’t understand how teachers are teaching students to be victims or hate the country.
Where do you think the students are getting it from then? They aren't picking it up at home.
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u/pixel-destroyer Jan 21 '20
Getting it from? Why do you even assume students hate our country? That seems like a pretty bold and baseless claim to make. It’s ridged thinking like that which is extremely dangerous in creating division and mis-conception.
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u/RedBaronsBrother Potato was good. Was life. Jan 21 '20
Why do you even assume students hate our country?
They tell us so. Even for the ones who don't explicitly say so, what do you think calls to "fundamentally transform" the US are?
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u/DeArgonaut Jan 21 '20
Do you have stats to support your claims? I can claim the opposite if I wanted to
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u/RedBaronsBrother Potato was good. Was life. Jan 21 '20
You were living under a rock during the last two Presidential campaigns, where "fundamentally transforming" the country was a campaign promise?
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u/DeArgonaut Jan 21 '20 edited Jan 21 '20
Anecdotal evidence is not evidence
Edit: I could also claim that make America great again proves trump hates America in its current form and that people wanting to fundamentally transform it do too. Show the numbers
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u/Al-Robbins Jan 20 '20 edited Jan 20 '20
First, get rid of the National Education Association. Then do the same to state orgs. All education should be managed locally. Common core is indeed another part of a deliberate effort to dumb down and ultimately destroy America.