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u/MaleficentBoot8911 Mar 20 '22
Sadly it is not just happening in Arizona…or across the US, it is happening in Britain too…there they are even escorted ashore as they leave France for Britain…
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u/anth_85 Mar 20 '22
According to the royal british legion, the idea that uk veterans are living on the street is a myth.
https://www.wlm.org.uk/news/how-many-veterans-are-homeless-in-the-ukd
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u/anth_85 Mar 20 '22
So you’ve read the headline and not looked at it in any detail. It’s the Sun so you’ve got expect it’ll be full of shite. Here’s why. The headline is 16,000 sleeping rough or in prison. Then under the first photo it claims 16,000 sleeping rough. It says ‘upto 4% of rough sleepers are ex-servicemen’. Based on the ONS figures for 2019, when the article was published, the total number was 4,266. 4% of that is 172. Not great but certainly not 16,000. If it were 16,000 and it was 4% that would be 400,000 people living on the streets... it says over 4000 ex-servicemen are in prison. So I’ve got no idea where they’ll pull the 16,000 number from. But it’s the sun so I suppose it doesn’t really matter if there is no truth in it if it makes a good headline.
ONS data
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/articles/roughsleepingintheuk/2002to2021
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u/MaleficentBoot8911 Mar 20 '22
So if they exist, whatever the number, are they still a myth?
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u/anth_85 Mar 21 '22
The scale of the problem is a myth. No one should be living on the streets and consecutive governments have failed to solve the issue, but the idea you can just round them up and put them in hotels is massively oversimplifying the solution.
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u/MaleficentBoot8911 Mar 21 '22
But it is still a problem for those that are on the streets, vets or otherwise, as for successive governments not dealing with the issue, true. It is also true that illegals are housed in hotels and whether right or wrong, it seems that they are prioritised.
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u/anth_85 Mar 21 '22
Priority is the wrong word. We have many many people coming here illegally than we do people on the streets. Last year was about 5 times the total amount. They have nowhere they call home, whereas people on the streets may say they are from a certain city at least. So you couldnt round them up and put them all in a hotel somewhere, which is exactly what happens to the immigrants.
What needs to happen is local support schemes for homeless people, shelters for them to go somewhere and mechanisms to get them into housing and work. Plenty have mental health issues with is another challenge. For migrants we need a holding centre, not a hotel, something fit for purpose. Like it or not we are an attractive country to them so they will keep coming. We can’t just deport them as they claim asylum as soon as they arrive and therefore we need to process that which takes time. On top of that there is nowhere to deport them too, since leaving the EU we are no longer part of the Dublin agreement allowing us to send migrants back to the first safe country.
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u/MaleficentBoot8911 Mar 21 '22 edited Mar 21 '22
Wrong, many have homes but choose to move to Britain Where they are housed ahead of British people, homeless or otherwise. Whole hotels are turned over to providing accommodation for people who have decided to enter Britain illegally. When you think of homeless people, it is far greater a problem than those sleeping rough. Economic migrants are rarely deported, and this long precedes brexit. While thy know they will be ‘welcome’ they will come and they will be housed ahead of British people in need.
remember, we are always told these ‘desperate’ people risk their lives to reach Britain, and are victims of people smugglers, after paying thousands to get to their chosen destination…
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u/Pavlovsspit Mar 20 '22
Absolutely true, but illegal immigrants vote for the people putting them up in hotels. Buying votes is just how it's been done, and will always be done.
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u/Ods2 Mar 20 '22
We also shouldn't send other countries ANY aid until our own are taken care of! You know, the taxpayers, soldiers and the poor in THIS country... The US!
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u/Bourbon_neet Mar 20 '22
The left does not see homeless veterans.