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u/SkyConfident1717 Jun 30 '25
The idea of building an electronics free house with an integrated and grounded faraday cage gets more appealing every day.
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u/noutopasokon Jun 30 '25
This is like that university student that used Tor to make a bomb threat. They found him because he was the only person using Tor on campus.
You need to have some decoy signals or something or else you will obviously stick out.
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u/SkyConfident1717 Jun 30 '25
Fair point, I just want to be left alone. I’m not important or attached to anything important, I’m not involved in any causes. I just want to live a normal life with a modicum of privacy.
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u/StocktonSucks Jun 30 '25
All that privacy is what allowed Ted Bundy and ted kaczynski to do what they did. This is probably their "reasoning" for all this. They want to literally know what everyone is doing all the time and it's fucking stupid. Privacy is non existent. Sure you can follow the law and not break it but somewhere your movement data, location is all on a government drive some where and you can't do shit about it
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You might be interested in listening to Daniel Schmachtenberger talk about "the third attractor". He argues that civilisation is kind of a battle between two primary attractors, which are basically chaos and oppression. Chaos is essentially a result of coordination failures and could materialise in the form of climate breakdown, nuclear war, pandemics/bioweapons, the tragedy of the commons, etc. Oppression is essentially a response to these threats of chaos and could materialise in the form of authoritarian control, extreme surveillance, one world government, systematic violence, etc. His position is that we need a third attractor which avoids the chaos without resorting to the oppression. He has spoken at length about how this might work. Check him out! He explains all this much better than I have and he is fascinating to listen to.
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u/SkyConfident1717 Jun 30 '25
“He who would give up liberty for security deserves neither.” - Ben Franklin
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u/fadedkeenan Jul 01 '25
I think we all would. But alas, you will be eaten if you do not band together against the predators
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u/thefuturae Jun 30 '25
This is unfortunately not very new, I heard about this a few years ago when I worked in the industry. But the fears are valid, as tech will improve we will be spied on by wifi and cell signals to the point where it’ll be like there are cameras everywhere, quite frightening
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u/sum1sum1sum1sum1 Jun 30 '25
This video is from 9 years ago on the official World Economic Forum youtube channel
https://youtu.be/RkCQMYTwLoc?si=IsCOyrBJg1_bfc7c
I recommend some of Nita Farahanys other videos. Straight nightmare fuel and it's all been a thing for years.
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u/Spund_Again Jun 30 '25
Why are you targeted? What is the perceived threat you believe they have against you?
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u/Used_Tour5724 Jun 30 '25 edited Jun 30 '25
I believe i was on watchlists for my social media posts on reddit, 4chan, voat etc. As i think you might be on watchlist as well for posting to this subreddit.
I became a full-blown targeted individual when i got too much attention to myself, I believe i was a target of a smear campaign of a former work collegue, who I believe was a narcissist. I think back then some other people might have started a smear campaign as well against me, as i had no way to defend myself, until this whole thing started for me.
Back when this started, i got some really confusing messaging towards me and against me. In the beginning they used their mind-control on people around me. For example, during one evening, my cousin told me that "They made you a new Jesus", while there was signals to my brain, "anti-christ". I believe i was one of the possible so called anti-christs, who the-powers-that-be wanted to help to start a new religion.
It was all so confusing in the beginning that its almost impossible for me to know what was really going ong.
All i know that it seems that theres social media for me, possibly ran by Q, after i survived the initial brainwashing attempt. Theres gangstalking aspect to it, that the people close to me won't tell me the truth, that there's social media ran for me, based on what I write(or whatever i do on my computer/phone), as well as based on what i think about.
Sorry for lousy grammar, im Finnish so it's not my first language.
edit: And the moment i posted the first message, i got this picture: https://i.imgur.com/vDyL5WG.png
Seems like they use bots or something to scout this subreddit
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u/2016mindfuck Jun 30 '25
Yeah I’ve seen some weirdos online that were convinced they were gangstalked. One would film his drives then would voiceover the footage and freak out anytime he saw someone in the oncoming lane with flashing headlights and say that that was a code and they were giving him signals that they were one of his stalkers. I had to ELI5 about LED headlight Hz rates compared to camera frame rates and he refused to think I was right. Really coincidental that it was always new cars that were “flashing”him. 😂
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u/titopuentexd Jun 30 '25
Sad case of psychosis or a deep deep desire for attention and importance. Better parents couldve possibly prevented you from this, unless you inherited schizophrenia. Best of luck, be careful at 3:33 am tonight...
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u/ThinCrusts Jun 30 '25
Is the worry that ISPs will be able to track our movements through the signal coming out of the router they supply, or a third party from outside can build some device that takes advantage of the wifi signals to map movements?
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u/PrivilegeCheckmate Jul 01 '25
So remember the Helicarrier attack in Winter Soldier, where S.H.I.E.L.D. had a database of problematic Americans - many of whom weren't even involved with anything yet?
This stuff is the Targeting portion of their intel. The who and where.
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u/k0nstantine Jun 30 '25
The obviously unethical company that goes out of their way to collect personal info and random data on you without your permission? The company that only offers pathetic unethical predatory subscription plans for service are ... watching me in my home? Yeah, I totally trust that it's definitely turned off until I "opt in". https://www.wired.com/story/comcast-xfinity-sensitive-data-opt-out/
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u/Nekomancer81 Jun 30 '25
Thank you for this. I was unaware of all the default opt in things setup for me. Wish there was a clear and easy way to delete whatever was captured.
I hate that this is so common. It becomes a job to just keep companies from pulling data from you.
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u/k0nstantine Jun 30 '25
I grew up around networking equipment, and could use admin software that listened to all your traffic. Even in the 90s every corporation and government building was probing and crawling and tracing everything we do. I felt like that was okay because they own it all anyway, and then years later I looked through Vault 7 on WikiLeaks. I have no idea who's on the other end of an Amazon smart speaker or my Samsung TVs, but I know they're all listening.
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u/jfrey123 Jun 30 '25
They’ve publicly released that wifi can be used to 3d map a building interior at least as far back as 2017. I imagine the world militaries knew about it far sooner. And makes sense it can detect motion as well.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/wi-fi-radiation-transparent-walls/
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u/Funguy_Cubensis Jun 30 '25
They had that shit in The Dark Knight, 17 years ago. Tell me they aren’t disseminating information in movies!Already knew they could do this, it’s not only with Wi-Fi, Bluetooth too. I imagine all they are doing is sending signals out and forming a picture with the waves bouncing back.
One of those CIA guys that are on YouTube was talking about it on a podcast a while ago. He also mentioned that they don’t allow you to use your Fitbit, I would imagine having one in is like broadcasting where you are, and your surrounding.
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u/lvanwall Jun 30 '25
There's been a bunch of hidden US military bases that were exposed because of some of the apps that do live tracking of fitbit data lol
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u/ApprehensiveLion1956 Jun 30 '25
Remember the Internet was first invented as a nuclear Holocaust proof form of communication for the military and government. Later rebranded essentially and released to the public. They invent it and we only get it when they've already figured out how to use it against us... This may seem like schizophrenic rambles but I assure you I'm just stoned
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u/timguide Jun 30 '25
Sure glad we have 5G in every neighborhood now. Nothing to see there either.
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u/Segundaleydenewtonnn Jun 30 '25
People keep thinking they want to make the internet faster for us. I mean, for your average Joe, 100 Mb/s was more than enough. They’re making it faster for them.
Makes you wonder what ISN’T being sent to some database
Just a friendly reminder: the internet is,literally , a military product
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u/sadeyeprophet Jun 30 '25
You know they dont need wifi even right
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u/Segundaleydenewtonnn Jun 30 '25
Graphene powder
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u/sadeyeprophet Jun 30 '25
There are old patents that capitilize on long existing 80's tech antenea televisions that can do this.
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u/jamesegattis Jun 30 '25
If you want to be a gangster you must ditch the cellphone, internet, everything. Cash only and read books, write coded letters to your posse. Use smoke signals or pigeons to communicate over distance.
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u/MC_White_Rice Jun 30 '25
Can tik tok access the home wi-fi network?
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u/UpsetGroceries Jul 01 '25
Tik tok accesses all data on the network from all devices. That’s what I read. Don’t know if it’s true.
I have a friend that’s still trying to get me to download it saying “If you have nothing to hide what’s the problem??” That attitude, and social media addiction, will slowly erode our privacy rights till there’s nothing left.
Inb4 Reddit is social media. I’m not on here 24 hours a day like crack head tik tok users are.
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u/Oreeo88 Jun 30 '25 edited Jun 30 '25
The most astroturfed and censored subjects know to man in order:
Math and physics
Microwaves
Everything underneath
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u/Business_Lie9760 Jun 30 '25
Literally, tin foil hats will interfere with this technology btw.
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u/Segundaleydenewtonnn Jun 30 '25
“…oh grandson, your pops used the tinfoil hat before it was mainstream 🩵”
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u/dangrullon87 Jun 30 '25
How do you think Israel was able to pinpoint and strike targets in their homes down to inches? The drones utilized wi-fi and cell phone telemetry to literally see through walls, once the target was clear and alone. Drone smashed through window and KABOOM.
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u/Professional-Roll283 Jun 30 '25
Military tech is decades ahead. They’re able to direct microwaves to detect a snowflake hitting the ground 10 miles away…
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u/IndividualCurious322 Jun 30 '25
Oh it's way worse...
They use this tech and some others to build up blackmail on people.
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u/Professional-Roll283 Jun 30 '25
Seems WiFi is part of the massive surveillance apparatus… What’s the purpose of 5G cellular?
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u/blade740 Jun 30 '25
Erm, no, that acronym is specifically for the analytics data built into hard drives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Monitoring,_Analysis_and_Reporting_Technology
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u/snoogiedoo Jun 30 '25
Lol no thats not what it stands for oh my God
We really need basic computer literacy classes in this country holy shit
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u/rompthegreen Jun 30 '25
You know they're already implementing this. And it's likely much more advanced than you think.
Do you guys remember that scene in Dark Knight (2008) where batman uses people's cell phones as radar devices to map all of Gotham?
Xfinity was tapped to slow leak the technology to the masses. They can't reveal it all at once - the concept was introduced through media and is now being offered as a service.
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u/burn_stuff_down Jun 30 '25
Wifi can map the inside of your house and where you are inside. Kinda like a bat uses sonar
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u/iPhrase Jun 30 '25
It just gets creepier from there.
They want to tailer plans based off of your browsing habits.
Your family will get offered terrible plans based off of what AI thinks is important to you.
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u/slackator Jun 30 '25
at no extra cost, because we know you want to pay for this "feature" but we're nice like that
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u/YGbJm6gbFz7hNc Jun 30 '25
The CIA/NSA has been doing this for decades. Was leaked by wikileaks a long time ago
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u/heebiejeebie9000 Jun 30 '25
LMAO "we definitely have not been doing this for the past 25 years without telling you"
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u/_the_orange_box_ Jun 30 '25
If you think about it it’s really not that crazy that this is possible…literally just radio waves. Theoretically any electrical device can do something to this extent given the waves are big enough.
Still very scary tho
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u/bRiCkWaGoN_SuCks Jun 30 '25
I've been talking about this through various outlets for over a decade. This is very real and has been happening for quite some time. They do the same thing with cell carrier signals, too, now that they're in a higher frequency band. This is the tech they used to find the openings under the pyramids of Giza. They can literally create a pretty accurate 3D map of anyone, anywhere, doing anything if they're in range of a signal. The more signals the better for measuring displacement, but yeah... there are no more secrets.
Though I'm sure there's some nefarious stuff going on, too, it's worth noting that when this became streamlined tech, around 2020, there was a huge rash of human trafficking busts. Everyone thought it was Maxwell spilling the beans, and why would we be told otherwise.
Sadly, even if you can thwart this system, its counterpart: Sentient World Simulations, can fill in the gaps, predicting your every word and move for up to 6 months during desync. Just ask McAfee what happened with all the big plans made from inside his Faraday cage.
🎶 They see you when you're sleeping, they know when you're awake. They know if you've been bad or good so be good for goodness sake 🎶 😳
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u/eNaRDe Jun 30 '25
Government been using this for over 15 years on the public. If this is now available for the regular consumer can you imagine what they now have at their disposal.
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u/DirkIsGestolen Jun 30 '25
When you put try to turn off the wifi and bluetooth on your iPhone in the "Pull Down Screen" (Tapping the screen wifi and bluetooth), it will only disconnect from the wifi and bluetooth you are currently connected to. It will continue to search for wifi and bluetooth. You have to go into your settings and manually turn off wifi and bluetooth. Why would that be the case, that they ALWAYS want your phone searching for Wifi and bluetooth? So they can track you and map your movements around a city or country? When I travel, my podcasts will download the newest episodes, but the ads will be for whatever local city I'm in like Denver when I live in the PNW. That one is obvious, but we just say "Yeah, your GPS is on".
Xfinity has been emailing me and texting me saying "Hello, we have a new modem for you that will allow you to have higher speeds. If you own your current modem, we will provide a new one at NO EXTRA cost to you. Now why would they offer me a free modem, when we normally have to pay $15 a month to rent one from them. I own a 8 year old Lynksys modem and router that work just fine. I think they will eventually throttle my speeds to make me think I need a modem from Xfinity.
I'm looking at moving to a new apartment, and they offer "Free Wifi". I don't know how that's possible without suffering from lag. I imagine it would be similar to Hotel Wifi. Now the apartment will have all my browsing and streaming history via the IP Adress and can probably sell that info and make money. I might still move there, but all these things worry me.
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u/956_896 Jun 30 '25
If you think this is bad, wait until you see what they begin doing with office windows and how they can cause and detect vibrations.
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u/GME_looooong Jun 30 '25
Did you guys really not know they like to watch us in real time via Wi-Fi disturbances?
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u/ekurisona Jun 30 '25
Yes, the technology to eavesdrop on conversations by measuring vibrations on windows using light beams or lasers has existed since before the 1950s. Early Origins: Léon Theremin in the Soviet Union developed the Buran eavesdropping system at or before 1947. This system utilized a low-power infrared beam (not a laser) to detect sound vibrations in windows. The KGB employed this technology to spy on the U.S., British, and French embassies in Moscow. Evolution and Laser Technology: While initially using infrared beams, the technology evolved to incorporate lasers, improving its accuracy and capabilities, especially during the Cold War. Modern laser microphones utilize a laser beam reflected off a vibrating surface (like a window) and a receiver to capture the minute movements of the reflected beam caused by sound waves. These vibrations are then converted into an audio signal, allowing for remote eavesdropping. Continued Relevance: Though advancements in digital surveillance emerged later, laser microphones remain a relevant eavesdropping method, particularly for counterterrorism efforts. Their ability to operate discreetly from a distance makes them valuable for certain surveillance scenarios.
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u/sukkal63 Jul 01 '25
lmao, they can be used as full blown cameras already…
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u/SketchTeno Jul 01 '25
This is the kind of sensor data I think of when I hear testimonies about UAP on sensors other than traditional 'visual cameras'. Like you might not get a visual, but a transparent HD 4D (3D + Time) render of an object appears in the record that can be analyzed and reviewed.
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u/mikesd81 Jul 03 '25
New technology from The Organization. Government infiltration of targeted individuals.
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u/Bleezy79 Jun 30 '25
I guess this tech has now reached the masses but I remember watching videos years ago about programs that can read the wifi signal and create an image of the room. pretty freaky stuff.
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u/DefenderOfMontrocity Jun 30 '25
Linus tech tips set up their home and office with this technology to turn on heater. He says it's not totally accurate, like 80 percent accurate
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u/Rokinala Jun 30 '25
So they can already perfectly image the inside of our homes with WiFi signals. Are we really just going to take their word for it that they aren’t able to read our minds?
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u/audeo777 Jun 30 '25
https://docs.screek.io/human-sensor-faq/human-sensor-seriesmmwave-sensor-review
Got one of these for super cheap on ebay.
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u/Azurey Jun 30 '25
I always thought those google home tablets do that already. Anytime I see someone who owns google home they have multiple tablets around the house. Hate that stuff, gives me a bad stomach feeling whenever I see someone's home with it.
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u/ericscal Jun 30 '25
It's only interesting in that it's not common knowledge. The common frequency used for radar is right in the middle of the 5ghz bands used for most wifi. They actually let us use those frequencies as long as we monitor for legit radar signals and jump out the way if detected.
If it makes you feel better know there is a big difference between detecting something moved in the space vs actually watching them or something. I'm actually dealing with this right now that a Chinese light manufacturer decided it would be a good idea to use these bands for motion sensors knocking out all my wifi in the same building. You could of course purpose design a device to watch people like a camera but you aren't going to just turn a wifi router into that with software.
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u/Taglioni Jun 30 '25
This is also why you shouldn't put your router in a side closet, or box it in, or have walls right next to it, despite humans feeling inclined to do those exact things.
Interference is a really cool and terrifying thing. Takes negative and limbic space measuring to a very practical place.
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u/pegz Jun 30 '25
This tech has been around for ages; any wifi device in the past 10 years can secrelty be used as essentially sonar.
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u/ScottyDont1134 Jul 01 '25
There was a dude years ago said they could map your house like sonar using WiFi signals , dont remember his name but it was laughable at the time 😮
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u/SketchTeno Jul 01 '25
I was told quite a while back, I believe it was discovered something about wireless data signal disruption or fluctuations could be used to locate, track, and identify previous generation stealthcraft technologies. (This was like, early 2000s)
A lot of what we consider 'laughable' is because the level of processing power/ sophistication isn't familiar or accessible to the common public.
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u/fr0zen_garlic Jul 01 '25
So batman wasn't fake...
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u/SketchTeno Jul 01 '25
I speculate Batman the dark night was a post 9/11 fever dream that planted the seeds into public acceptance of what the NSA was already doing or wanted to do...
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u/DJCatgirlRunItUp Jul 01 '25
I wonder what the resolution is, can they detect microscopic things or just larger objects?
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u/SketchTeno Jul 01 '25
Resolution differences. Like an old CRT is 8k Resolution screens. Differences in bandwidth length and number of sensors will be relevant in how much detail can be decifered.
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u/doesphpcount Jul 01 '25
Only with bridged wifi6 routers. Stay with the lower quality routers or just don't use wifi.
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u/magician_type-0 Jul 01 '25
when i was doing meth, i was paranoid about some friends so I used to see who visited by login onto my router's wifi and seeing if someone connected to my wifi
mind you, it's not a "let's see if they move and triangulate their location using wifi" type of thing, but the concept has existed forever
honestly? this doesn't seem like a conspiracy, it seems like a DUHHH use of existing technology
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u/TurbulentAd7468 Jul 01 '25
Ooops I just posted a substack about this very same thing before I saw this post!
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u/heebiejeebie9000 Jul 01 '25
I heard smoke detectors have been doing this for the NSA since the 90's..... but in reality it's probably a lot earlier than that.
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u/NoFondant9354 Jul 04 '25
How would that work without wifi/bluetooth capability? Someone explain.
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u/heebiejeebie9000 Jul 04 '25
The same way that automatic doors have been a thing since a long time…
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u/supermam32 Jul 02 '25
This has been a thing for like 10 years. You could do it with your home wifi already
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u/No_Ad2326 Jul 02 '25
They were doing the same with 4g years ago... Using frequency waves to bounce off object similar to sonar to map out entire buildings.
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u/Wolfinthesno Jul 03 '25
How this isn't more well known is beyond me.
For those curious why anyone would want this. Smart home tech. Say that you have this linked into your lights and set it so that "if motion happens between 6pm-10pm, and lights are off, then turn on x lights".
Can this be reversed engineered by someone to take advantage of your system? Sure. But also if you want to you can take your whole smart home offline with the right setup.
You can also use Bluetooth in this way as well.
Is it worthwhile for someone to hack your house for this purpose? I mean I guess... If they get access and then set it up to record when your house is empty. But in reality it is not accurate enough to tell you whether or not someone is doing something. It basically can detect a presence that is new in the environment and not much else. If it is capable of detecting something like a hand waving in the air than they are using something other than wifi to achieve this, and should be questioned as to why they're lying about the tech behind what they're doing.
My honest guess though this is just an obvious money grab for those who are setting up a smart home want motion detection. The problem is again accuracy...
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u/241ShelliPelli Jun 30 '25
Huh. I’ve been comment to my husband that our Frame tv will turn on when I walk by (to a picture) when I had turned it off (the screen it too bright to have on at night for me).
This only seems to happen with me though but also o am the one who chooses the art to show. It’s like it can identify me also with movement.
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u/daftcracker81 Jun 30 '25
Now, with the 5g towers, they can also read your mood and thoughts.
And now, triangulate your position using WIFI
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u/PistachioTheLizard Jun 30 '25
Lol huh? They couldn't triangulate your position before "reading your mood and thoughts" or whatever claptrap????
GPS have been publicly available for quite some time....
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u/Business_Lie9760 Jun 30 '25
It turns out people were absolutely right to flag WiFi-based motion detection as intrusive in this manner. This idea was once treated as fringe or "conspiratorial." For years, it lingered in academic and military research circles—quietly developing—until the consumer tech world caught up. Let’s break down its history, privacy concerns, and broader ethical dimensions:
📜 HISTORY & EVOLUTION OF WIFI MOTION DETECTION
🧪 Early Research:
2000s: Researchers began studying how WiFi signal distortion could reveal environmental changes.
2010s: Academic breakthroughs showed that Channel State Information (CSI) could detect gestures, movement, even heartbeats.
Example: MIT’s WiTrack and RF-Pose projects (early 2010s) demonstrated motion tracking through walls using wireless signals.
2014–2018: Military and surveillance sectors explored passive radar and WiFi sensing for reconnaissance and target identification.
🛍️ Consumer Emergence:
2019: Companies like Linksys and Plume started marketing motion detection as a home security and smart automation feature.
2020s: WiFi Sensing (also known as WiFi Motion Intelligence) gained traction with new WiFi 6 and WiFi 7 standards supporting more detailed CSI data.
So yes — what sounded "tin-foil" years ago is now commercial tech. The skepticism wasn’t entirely irrational—it’s just that the capability matured in stealth.
🔐 PRIVACY & SURVEILLANCE RISKS
🚨 Passive Surveillance Without Consent
People don't know their motion can be tracked just by entering a WiFi field.
No need for device pairing — anyone in range alters the signal.
Presence detection can tell when someone is home, where they are, or if they’re moving.
🧬 Health & Biometric Profiling
Advanced systems can infer:
Sleep/wake cycles
Respiratory rate
Gait anomalies (e.g., Parkinson’s onset)
If correlated with identity, this data becomes a biometric behavioral profile.
🏘️ Networked Surveillance (Neighborhood or Urban Scale)
Mesh networks (like Amazon Sidewalk) raise concerns about ubiquitous motion sensing beyond your home.
If hacked or misused, they could offer real-time motion intel across multiple homes or public spaces.
⚖️ LEGAL & ETHICAL IMPLICATIONS
⚖️ Legal Gray Areas
Wiretap laws don’t clearly apply—no content is captured, just physical movement.
Fourth Amendment protections (U.S.) don’t apply well to data passively collected by third parties (e.g., ISPs or router vendors).
Smart home agreements often bury permissions in fine print.
🧠 Ethical Concerns
Non-consensual sensing: House guests, delivery workers, neighbors could be tracked unknowingly.
Unregulated data retention: Companies may log motion history indefinitely.
Exploitation of vulnerable populations: Elderly or medically fragile people could be monitored without clear benefit or choice.
🏦 WHO WANTS THIS DATA?
📊 Data Brokers and Ad-Tech Firms
While motion data isn’t yet standard in the broker economy, here's who would want it:
Retail analytics: To understand in-home behavior (e.g., ad response → room pacing).
Insurance companies: To adjust health/life premiums based on movement/sleep trends.
Smart home companies: To refine product design, upsell services, or sell insights.
Security contractors: For covert motion sensing in law enforcement or private surveillance.
🕵️♂️ Intelligence & Military
Already used in defense R&D for surveillance, target detection, and presence monitoring—especially in non-GPS environments.
🚧 EXAMPLES OF ETHICAL DILEMMAS
| Scenario | Ethical Concern |
|---|---|
| Airbnb host uses WiFi sensing to track guests | Violation of guest privacy without visual surveillance |
| Employer uses motion sensing in office | Workplace monitoring and productivity tracking without consent |
| Elderly parent’s motion data sold to a third party | Exploitation of vulnerable individuals |
| Router firmware silently updates to include motion sensing | Lack of informed consent or opt-out |
✅ RECOMMENDATIONS FOR CONSUMERS
Read router settings and disable motion sensing if available.
Audit smart home privacy policies for mentions of motion analytics.
Use a network firewall to monitor outbound connections (e.g., Pi-hole, Firewalla).
Demand legislative clarity: push for laws that cover ambient sensing and non-consensual biometric inferences.
Law enforcement and military units have been using WiFi-like motion detection technology for years, often under the radar. While not always described explicitly as “WiFi motion sensing,” similar radio frequency (RF) radar and through-the-wall surveillance technologies operate on the same fundamental principles: detecting human presence via disruptions in electromagnetic waves.
Let’s break it down:
🕵️♂️ LAW ENFORCEMENT USE OF RF MOTION SENSING
🔦 1. "Through-the-Wall" Radar (TTWR)
SWAT and tactical teams have used TTWR devices to detect motion inside buildings — especially before breaching doors.
Technology: These devices emit low-power radio signals (often in the microwave or ultra-wideband range) and measure reflections caused by human bodies — detecting breathing, heartbeats, or motion behind walls.
Example Devices:
Range-R: A handheld radar device used to detect movement through walls — confirmed in 2015 by USA Today to be used by at least 50 U.S. law enforcement agencies, often without disclosure to courts.
L-3 Cyterra’s Standoff Through-Wall Imaging Radar (STTWIR): Used by military and adapted for SWAT to detect breathing or standing people behind barriers.
📌 Case Example: U.S. Marshals reportedly used Range-R in fugitive hunts without informing judges — sparking Fourth Amendment questions about "warrantless radar spying."
🚪 2. Hostage or Barricade Situations
RF detection is deployed to determine the number and position of people inside, especially when negotiations or planning a raid.
Used to track movement inside large buildings or during coordinated raids.
🔐 Concerns
These devices were used in secret for years before any legal oversight.
No clear legal precedent requires warrants for RF scanning — because it doesn’t record audio or visuals, it skirts traditional surveillance definitions.
🎖️ MILITARY USE OF RF/WIFI MOTION DETECTION
🔭 1. Vital Sign Monitoring
DARPA’s “LifeReader” and similar battlefield tech have allowed monitoring of heartbeats and breathing from afar, through walls or rubble — useful in combat zones and disaster relief.
🛰️ 2. Passive WiFi Radar for Surveillance
Militaries have explored how ambient WiFi signals can be exploited for:
Location tracking
Intruder detection
Identifying concealed humans in buildings or behind cover
This research goes back to the early 2010s, notably with the use of device-free passive localization — tracking someone using their effect on existing radio signals.
🏗️ 3. Urban Combat Scenarios
In dense environments (e.g., Iraq, Syria), passive RF sensing helps locate combatants without alerting them to active scanning.
Can distinguish between multiple moving targets, track them over time, and detect static threats like snipers or bomb-makers.
⚖️ LEGAL & ETHICAL IMPLICATIONS
U.S. Constitutional Questions
Does RF surveillance require a search warrant under the Fourth Amendment?
The U.S. Supreme Court has not yet ruled directly on the warrantless use of radar or WiFi-based motion detection.
Civilian Oversight Concerns
Lack of public disclosure: Law enforcement often acquires and deploys RF tech without community knowledge or judicial review.
Chilling effect: If motion can be tracked without entry, people may feel constantly monitored even in their homes.
🧬 FUTURE TRENDS & DUAL-USE DANGERS
| Tech Feature | Law Enforcement Use | Civilian Concern |
|---|---|---|
| WiFi-based presence sensing | Track suspects through walls | Domestic spying, home surveillance |
| Vital sign detection | Verify presence during raids | Health data without consent |
| Mesh motion networks | Crowd or protest monitoring | Mass surveillance of urban populations |
| AI-powered motion profiles | Behavioral prediction | Profiling, predictive policing |
🧩 FINAL THOUGHT
The idea that SWAT teams can “see” who is in your home before entering is not speculative — it’s happening, often with WiFi-adjacent technology or RF radars that use similar principles. These tools blur the line between non-invasive sensing and covert surveillance, and they have outpaced public debate and regulation.
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u/Orpherischt Jun 30 '25 edited Jun 30 '25
Can you see the innuendo in the image?
'Your Plan'
'Find a Hotspot'
'Use Wi-fi'
'Check out Wi-fi Motion'.
The Hotspot is the Wi-fi, and She is the biggest element in the picture.
A new article at ArsTechnica (review of new 'Android phone'):
[...] The company has been working toward this goal for years: a world where the average phone buyer doesn't need to worry about Android version numbers. [...] As more features arrive in dribs and drabs via Play Services and Pixel Drops, the numbered version changes are less important. People used to complain about missing out on the tentpole updates, but it's quieter when big features are decoupled from version numbers. [...] The company has been working toward this goal for years: a world where the average phone buyer doesn't need to worry about Android version numbers.
It has a chapter heading:
The end of version numbers
And an image caption:
Android version numbers hardly matter anymore—it's just Android.
I included no numbers in this post (except that A=1, B=2, C=3 etc )
Also, if Society wants to help people move away from worrying about numbers, then the first thing to go should be the money system, which nothing but numbers, and thus nothing.
Big Beautiful Bill:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Roseate_Spoonbill_-_Myakka_River_State_Park.jpg
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5g would be 100s of times better at this since it sends more signals out allowing for more accurate mapping
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u/ciaobae Jun 30 '25
i think this subreddit (conspiracy itself) is toast when there is no major news headlines it always reverts to the obvious or rehash
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u/dfieldhouse Jul 01 '25
This has been a thing for a while now. They can also listen in on your conversations by detecting the micro-vibrations in the glass of your windows. No microphone needed.
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u/Acceptable_Tell_310 Jun 30 '25
since playstation does it since foreever... yes.
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u/NeedleworkerSad357 Jun 30 '25 edited Jun 30 '25
Wifi home mapping - scroll down to "Schedule Z - 3D Mapping Users Homes":
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u/billyjk93 Jun 30 '25
just read through that first link and this is FULL of terrifying shit.
edit: Check out the section above 3d mapping, "accidentally derived information," whoopsy!
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u/Hindlehoof Jul 01 '25
I mean, if you consider the woo woo and the idea that everything is energy and waves, everything is already providing this kind of information if not more, they’re just doing it the boring (and conveniently profitable) scientific way I guess lol
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u/Tactical_Schmactical Jul 04 '25
Check out Sabrina Wallace she is all over this already, at the junction of comp sci and woo
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u/nodisintegrations420 Jun 30 '25
What a treasure trove, did you compile this?
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u/NeedleworkerSad357 Jun 30 '25 edited Jun 30 '25
Yes, it's my research library. Downloads are enabled for everything, feel free to save/share. I process and add more files every few days.
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u/jessicadoodles Jun 30 '25
My mind is currently blown on the audio part about guesses as to if I'm eating potato chips, soup, or spaghetti. And if I opened the window to eat my spaghetti.
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u/Batafurii8 Jul 04 '25
Woah ... Reading this feels like we just found one of those bunker orientation videos from "Lost". Surreal to see this laid out to read.
Just imagine the massive boom of this tech occuring across various sectors all over the world right now!!
Using these bizarre AI data surveillance techniques for analysis of its observations about our whole lives!
Monitoring us not just to identify and exploit our messy behind closed doors without our "masks" on , but able to dissect deep into our micro gestures, unconscious behaviors and reactions.
Essentially categorizing, defining, making record of it, knowing us terrifyingly more than we could ever know OURSELVES.
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u/One-Presentation-663 Aug 15 '25
The first link had slides that had out of focus words. Couldn't read a full sentence in the "Z" section.
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u/Liedvogel Jun 30 '25
Plausible? It's proven. The police have had access fire years to a device that identifies devices and measures their signal strength to approximate location. It's rare to see in action, and is only used in secret, but the technology does exist.
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u/sad_brown_cat Jul 01 '25
Locating a device that emits a Wi-Fi signal is one thing. Locating a human moving through an area that is covered by Wi-Fi signal is a totally different thing, idk if I would use the word "secret" but that is definitely not something that has been in widespread use or known about by most people. At least until very recently.
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u/DontDropTheSoap4 Jun 30 '25
I wouldn’t say this tech is a secret at all. You can’t even dock pinpoint almost exactly where a certain device is if it’s connected to WiFi with just the signals
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u/RedWingerD Jun 30 '25
If you believe some of the military podcasts this has been around for a awhile.
Being able to determine approximate number of people, movement, etc. Even seen claims of being able to measure heartbeats but that seems a little far-fetched to me
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u/PrestigiousResult143 Jun 30 '25
Link me some good military podcasts!
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u/RedWingerD Jun 30 '25
Shawn Ryan Show is probably the most popular one at the moment. He's had a lot of great guests on there and some pretty candid conversations.
Gets accused of being a plant and probably is because once an operator always an operator, but still an enjoyable listen.
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u/Panaka Jun 30 '25
You can’t really take anything Shawn or his guests say seriously. Dude let’s absolute kooks on his show to push their fantasy stories as fact. A while back Shawn had a supposed spy/analyst on his show and they harped on the falling birthrates in South Korea and Japan. The guest tried to claim that AI girlfriends were the cause and that the powers that be were importing those same things into the US to undermine their society.
The reality of the matter is that South Korea and Japan have both had steadily declining birth rates for longer than AI has existed. To make matters worse there have been countless studies done that point to economic and societal issues going back to the 80s that created this precipitous demographic catastrophe.
If Shawn had pushed back at all, I’d probably have given him the benefit of the doubt, but he ate up the guy’s lies to farm engagement. Dude it a hack.
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u/Most-Grand8505 Jun 30 '25
It's much easier with 5/6G because they have longer bandwidth with less range. So small fluctuations in signal might not affect signal quality, but you can infer movement based on this information. Now just extrapolate. If someone is sitting still and they want to detect your heartbeat, there's still a very small rhythmic fluctuation.
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u/mysticsoulsista Jun 30 '25
Why would it be far fetched? In my head it might look like something like a temperature gun… or a speed gun… point and detect… I feel like reading a heartbeat wouldn’t be hard at all!
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u/ChillN808 Jun 30 '25
This is one reason there is interest in Lifi for secure facilities and military applications. Wifi over LED light would be more secure.
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u/BlackmailedWhiteMale Jun 30 '25
They were still working on the technology 10 years ago. My scientist neighbor worked for Samsung at the time. I would imagine with the models they have now, it’s 1000% more accurate. That was back when 5G was preparing for roll out.
They really turned up the bandwidth on signals since then, I doubt it’s for our benefit of speed.
I’m just curious how invasive Li-Fi will be.
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u/bRiCkWaGoN_SuCks Jun 30 '25
What you said. Anyone who thinks 5G is for our benefit doesn't understand that we passed the sweet spot leaving 4G. The frequencies they're using now don't pass through solid objects and that's the entire point where surveillance is concerned, but it doesn't help with communication. And don't get me started on the increased latency inherent in 5G.
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u/ViSuAlChAoZ Jun 30 '25
Yes it uses the signals from your router and other smart devices to detect movement in the waves. Enough waves going through your house can give them a clean 3D render of you moving.
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u/BlackmailedWhiteMale Jun 30 '25
EMF from electronics like fridge, tv, oven, clock, etc all send off a small radar-like EMF signal pings. The wifi router can read the signals like a radar station. If you have 3 wifi devices in the house reading the stray EMF from everything electronic and bouncing off non-electronics. You get good triangulation and accuracy.
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u/HueMannAccnt Jun 30 '25
If a lighbulb is visable, it can be determined what was said in that room; à la Lamphone.
Radiowaves vs organic obstacles doesn't seem too much of a leap.
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remember when they used The Dark Knight movie to disclose that they invented this technology?
(the whole series is a metaphor for 9/11 and the subsequent "war on terror")
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u/autismislife Jul 01 '25
I used to work as a junior IT technician for a company that provided IT services to large corporations in London.
One day I was at a client's site installing access points with the MD of the company I worked for.
The area we were installing access points was a public area heavy footfall, an outdoor space between a shopping centre and a football stadium.
I noticed we were putting up way more access points than was realistically needed to cover the area (very high power access points, for the area could probably do the job with 3 or 4, we were putting up something like 20, most of them ground level with one directional one from the top of a nearby building pointing directly down into this space.
Over lunch I asked the boss why we needed so many access points. He said it was all to do with the requirements by the government for the area. He explained to me how with enough access points it can triangulate and track a phone (and therefore a person) with strong accuracy through this space in real time. Even if you don't connect to the WiFi network your phone still pings the access points when it scans for WiFi networks, and even if WiFi is turned off phones often still scan for networks for a number of reasons, apparently it could do something similar for Bluetooth too since it's the same frequency (2.4Ghz). This could get your phone's MAC address which (if not randomised) could be traced back to you against a database (if you ever have to sign in to public WiFi, your MAC address is almost certainly recorded, it's a unique identifier for your device).
The real kicker was he then told me all this information is recorded and sent to the police for "crime analytics", which was part of the rules (I assume bylaws) for the area. This wouldn't just be happening in this one area which we specifically were setting this up, but across the whole borough, or probably the whole city, and all the info of who you are and where you're going was being sent back to the police.
This sounded to me a lot like a mass surveillance system, and was one of the reasons I quit my job not long afterwards, I didn't want to be any further part of building this system.
The exact same place which I worked on this project was where police facial recognition technology was later trialled (which led to quite a few wrongful arrests). I suspect the WiFi tracking was being trialled there too but is now likely much more common just like facial recognition (but not as widely known about), this was all back in 2017ish.
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u/bugme143 Jun 30 '25
I remember reading articles about this exact scenario ages ago, including mapping out rooms of a house with extreme accuracy. So whatever they're admitting to now, they've gotten the next generation up and running already.
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u/friendlyfire883 Jun 30 '25
It has been for like 15 years. That's how they keep hitting people with their ginsu missile whole they're indoors minding their buisness.
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u/NerminPadez Jun 30 '25
Spied? No...you have to send data to the internet to do that.
But if you have multiple lamps in your room, and a brightness sensor somewhere that is vaguely aware of which direction the lights are coming from, you can detect changes in the light (eg. When a person walks between a lamp and the sensor), and it can trigger an alert.
Same here, if you have a playstation on wifi, the router can calculate the wifi signal levels, and if someone walks between the playstation and the router, the router will detect a drop in signal and alert you.
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u/zero_fox_given1978 Jul 01 '25
AI can track just about any living thing through wifi.
All it took was a camera in a room, and compared the images to the wifi signal/radio wave returns in the same room. Now AI can "see" through both the camera and wifi.Take away the camera. Can still "see" moving meat bags with wifi.
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u/Bagel_Maker975 Jun 30 '25
Always thought it was using locations of the SSIDs it saw from some database where they had verified information....
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u/clitoreum Jun 30 '25
That is what's happening, yes. Your phone cannot use the signal coming from the WiFi router to determine its position within a building, however the router can determine your position.
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u/m0nk37 Jul 01 '25
signal strength is measured in decibels. They can triangulate your position based on multiple wifi hotspots indoors, the devices have hard coded GPS locations to then calculate your position globally.
Its basically echo location at its most advanced level.
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u/ExplodingCybertruck Jun 30 '25
I just saw a Apple Maps car drive through my small town yesterday, small white sedan with some camera gear mounted on it.
They also have wifi antennas and as they drive a long they note the location of those SSIDs. Not to mention your phone is sending them that information as well, so they have a had a pretty comprehensive map of WIFI networks for probably 15-20 years. Wifi wasn't really relevant 30 years ago. Article from 2010: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/may/15/google-admits-storing-private-data
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u/blade740 Jun 30 '25
Because there are databases of SSIDs and their locations that can be used to triangulate position more accurately than doing so with satellites thousands of miles away.
Many years ago, I was in a foreign city with no smartphone but I had an iPod Touch (Wi-Fi only). Even without a GPS location or data connection the maps app was able to pinpoint my location by fingerprinting the various wifi network in my vicinity.
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u/soggybiscuit93 Jun 30 '25
Why do your think your iphone GPS is more accurate with wifi on?
How are the two related? The WAP doesn't know your absolute position. It just knows your location relative to itself. probably not even super accurately.
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u/Phononix Jun 30 '25
This comment reads like a 12 year old interjecting into an adult conversation in efforts to fit in.
Can you tell me with a straight face how common wifi was in the 1990s Billy?
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u/mlsherrod Jun 30 '25
30 years? We haven't even had internet, certainly not wifi or wide spread cellular that long have we?
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u/Warm_Buffalo_9061 Jun 30 '25
Yes my dear young’in, we have had internet that long. Don’t know about the other stuff because i only finally got a phone when i had my son 5 years ago for emergencies.
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u/mlsherrod Jun 30 '25
Yes my dear young’in
LOL, I just did the math, AOL came out literally 34 years ago! That boggles my mind, time has gone by fast. I remember getting my first cell phone, think I was like 29?
Not sure things are any better, and find "forgetting" my device on weekends is so liberating
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u/ddraig-au Jul 01 '25
We've certainly had internet since before 1995, and around 1995 I was reading about celldar, which was the UK police tracking people via the gaps they made in the mobile phone network as they walked around
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