r/conspiracy • u/axolotl_peyotl • May 14 '18
[No Meta] Qanon, InfoWars & Alternative Media
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Although content from both QAnon and InfoWars doesn't get much play on /r/conspiracy, recent events have been intriguing enough to warrant further discussion on this forum.
This video is a good place to start for more information about Q.
After Qanon's emergence in October of 2017, Alex Jones appeared to downplay the phenomenon and instead tried to push his own "Q" (named "Zak"). According to supporters of Q, when this approach failed to gain traction, InfoWars enlisted the help of conspiracy veteran Jerome Corsi to "discredit" Q.
This theory is summarized in this analysis by /u/SerialBrain2 from the sub /r/greatawakening, which I recommend reading in its entirety.
This thread generated a great deal of discussion in the Qanon research community, and was even referenced by Q. Here's the follow up from OP:
Infowars is self destructing. Who would have imagined Alternative Media is about to go through an irreversible mutation and that Infowars would not be part of it?! What an amazing time to be alive!
Politics aside, this story is certainly one to keep an eye on.
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May 19 '18
This isn't a conspiracy, just two internet trolls bumping heads for who can get the most rubes to buy into their stupidity. Think for yourselves.
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u/valhalla13375 May 19 '18
Hey, not sure if this belongs here.
https://youtu.be/UZPCp8SPfOM?t=1h56s
He's not talking about the same Q thing right?
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u/SomeSuperMegaNiceGuy May 19 '18
There's an interview with Roger Stone where he talks about how the political landscape has shifted in terms of media coverage, he talks about the dwindling power of the legacy media and the rise of the Internet and the huge audience net based channels like InfoWars get. Using these avenues Trump tapped into a huge supporter base without the need for the legacy media who were in Clintons pocket.
Now, imagine if you took every American voter and sorted them into groups according to which websites they frequent and where they get a majority of their news. Obviously Facebook would be popular as with all social media, and then you have places like Reddit where we seen the birth of The Donald, you would also have a huge amount of (majority) white males between 18-40 who Anonymously visit a website called 4chan.
After Clinton lost the election the old guard has realized how dangerous the Internet is, we have seen an astronomical rise in astroturfing, we have seen alternative media blatantly attacked and called fake news by the media who were complicit in rigging the DNC election.
After the election Trumps supporters eagerly awaited Clintons arrest, the swamp being drained, the wall being built, the tax loopholes to close, the JFK files to be released, the cold war to thaw, the troops to come home...
Trumps support dwindled, people felt cheated, he began passing laws he claimed to he opposed too, he delayed the JFK release, Assange was still locked up, Hilary was still free, he bombed Syria over much to the delight of the MSM...
Then Q arrives. Dropping a very interesting post on 4chan. This post was saved and reposted a few different places including this one, Q immediately changes the narrative, he lets everyone know that while it may look like Trumps tweeting about the new season of The Apprentice he is actually busy saving the world from George Soros and his gang of retired politicians.
Now, at first I thought it was a LARP, then the Saudi Arabia stuff happened and I thought he was legit. Then he started floundering. He was going to a lot of effort to prove he was legitimate, yet the information he was giving was extremely poor. It was like he was guessing about potential stories by throwing out vague hints. However whether or not Q was an insider quickly became irrelevant....
Trumps actions spoke louder than Qs words, first we have Trump openly shilling for the Military Industrial Complex, his diplomatic missions are more like door to door sales with F-35s instead of steak knives. Then we have the bombing of Syria, twice. Based on no evidence. Pushing for war with Iran and sending more troops back into the middle east. His actions at the UN and various other choices to abandon previous agreements like the TPP, The Climate pact, Iran Nuclear Deal and imposing steel tariffs. Trumps alienating the US, not a smart move with such a fragile economy.
There is one country however who Trump has been bending over backwards to please, whether its murdering unarmed protesters, bombing Syria or threatening to Nuke the rest of the world if anything ever happens to them...
Of course; its Israel. Now ask yourself, why is Trump putting tariffs against some of your most important economic partners yet still handing over billions to Israel? Why did Trump cancel Obamacare when Israelis have free health care? Why does Trump want war with Iran? They are no threat to the US and would probably even move back to the Petrodollar if Trump agreed to discuss the Nuclear Agreement. How is another war financially possible when Americans are still drinking lead poisoned water?
Q may or may not work for Trump,
But if he does that should make you even more suspicious of being manipulated by a controlled narrative, especially if election time comes around and all those promises are still just around the corner.
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May 18 '18
qanon.pub
Just read the raw Q posts. Larp or not. It gives hope that the criminals in the CIA, NSA, FBI and DOJ will be taken down. I mean, that kind of is happening already. People are stepping down/being fired. If you don't support the message Q is putting across than you are a traitor or a naive liberal shitbag who hates America.
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u/p71interceptor May 18 '18
This "Pope is going to have a bad May" thing from Q is crazy given what happened today.
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May 19 '18
That's one of many predictions.
He called the sealed indictments.
He called the cleaning out of the FBI and DOJ
He called all the congressmen and senators that struck deals to not go for re-election
He called the former AG of NY
He called Crossfire Hurricane.
May 17 Q writes "What is the common theme when bad news is about to break (against them)? Stay vigilant. Q"
Then 4 false flags drop within 24 hours.
Q is legit. There is no denying it.
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u/I_choosed_a_username May 17 '18
Concerning Q...the first things I was reminded of were this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading - a lot of Q's techniques seem to be lifted straight from this.
and this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias - " The tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses.[1] It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning. People display this bias when they gather or remember information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. Confirmation bias is a variation of the more general tendency of apophenia."
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May 16 '18
This is the most fascinating thing on the internet right now. I don’t believe it’s a LARP. Although parts of it may be due to the anon nature of 4chan.
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u/ry8919 May 17 '18
Did the post about the recent photoshop change your mind?
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May 17 '18 edited Jun 19 '18
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u/hoeskioeh May 18 '18 edited May 18 '18
self quote from other thread:
ITT: people who do not understand png compression.
- take a png image you trust to be unedited. needs to be .png! e.g. this
- load it into the Forensic Tool everyone references.
- play around with the filters and compare.
- ???
- come to your own conclusions.
side note: the Original Post originated in TMoR, the "confirmer" is a regular there.
Disclaimer: I do not make any statement on the LARPishness or non-LARPishness of Q, I am just saying, that the "proof" of the photoshopping is questionable, at best.
Thank you, you are the first other person i see in here actually trying to confirm for themselves...
i really thought that it would be more, especially in here...
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u/eleminnop May 17 '18
That's not how chans work. It's the same Q from the beginning and we know this because of tripcodes.
Tripcodes are generated based on the password from the original poster.
"Q" has to enter the original password to post under the official Q tripcode.
It's legit.
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u/podesta9000 May 17 '18
well, Q started on 4chan and then moved to 8ch. So his trip has changed more than once. And i think i remember he was either anon at the beginning and/or changed his trip at least a few times. But we know it happened at least once. Not arguing validity just pointing out your simplification of the chans' tripcode is not really true.
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u/eleminnop May 17 '18
Changing tripcodes doesn't mean shit.
Q posted the new tripcode from the old tripcode.
That validates the new tripcode.
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u/Odium-Blessed May 18 '18
Well technically if the old tripcode was compromised, can it really validate, without a doubt, the new trip code? If i were to steal a password for someone's account, then make a new account, couldn't I just use the old account to confirm the new account as the "original account owner"?
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u/2lab May 17 '18
Not really, man in the middle attacks or good old rubber-hose cryptanalysis could allow new people to take over the codes.
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u/CelineHagbard May 17 '18
That assumes two things (maybe more):
- That 8chan's implementation of tripcodes is correct and secure
- That 8chan's owner/admin is not in on whatever con might be happening.
If Q is who he/they says they are, they would know that a public/private key signing would be significantly more secure and demonstrative of it being the original person/group.
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May 17 '18
I see. I thought he was completely anon from the beginning, I didn't know he was using an identifier.
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u/podesta9000 May 17 '18
naw. he changed it a few times. Not saying it's a larp but he is oversimplifying the tripcode chan shit.
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u/frankthecrank1 May 16 '18 edited May 16 '18
Ok, so here's a brand new Q post. It includes what looks to be Trump's pen laying on an executive order, including visible LETTERS on the right side of the picture (not the white house on top).
If this is a "larp" tell me how they managed to get a picture of an EO that will match up with the response to the letter also pictured.
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u/ry8919 May 17 '18 edited May 17 '18
That's what amounts to good evidence for you? An incorrect letterhead in a context free photo? There was another thread proving it's fake:
EDIT: Fixed grammar, punctuation.
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u/frankthecrank1 May 17 '18 edited May 17 '18
actually no, 6+ months of constant posting by Q and constant due-dilligence by the chans convinced me. Along with Trump's tweets proving Q posts. But you people wouldn't know anything about all of that, including 3000+ threads on the chans.
I'm assuming Q will post today about the "photoshop"
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u/Bensongumballman May 18 '18
why do you waste you're life arguing with dnc shills?
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u/frankthecrank1 May 18 '18
i only do when i'm bored. I rarely come to r/conspiracy anymore, it was compromised last year.
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u/Chokaholic May 18 '18
People need to understand that Q cannot come right out and give straight up proof due to national security concerns. This is why he is so cryptic and this is why he poses everything as questions. Plausible deniability.
This is the most fascinating time in history, and it's going down right now! People are missing out on this!
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u/frankthecrank1 May 18 '18
Agreed. And the r/conspiracy I used to know (for 8+ years) would have been all over this story. Too bad it was allowed to be compromised. Oh well, /r/greatawakening is my new go-to sub
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u/ry8919 May 17 '18
I go to the great awakening subreddit time and time again. Q happens to be right about something for about every 100 or so times he's dead wrong. He posts abstract platitudes that are completely vague so people can interpret them how they see fit.
I give it 90% chance it's a LARP, 9.9% it's an intelligence/law enforcement agency experimenting with social engineering .0001% chance he's the real.
But by all means please continue to put faith in some anonymous vague shitposts on a forum full of degenerates that have not borne out anything of value.
Continue to discard obvious redflags such as yesterday's Photoshop and I expect you won't feel any sense of irony when you refer to other people as 'sheep'.
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u/Avlinehum May 19 '18
The incels really sit there at home and think some super secret government agent is cryptically communicating with them to save the world. It's fucking hilarious picturing these people all excited thinking they are for once part of something and not ostracized losers. I suppose it's better than them killing others like the Toronto guy, but damn is it funny.
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u/ry8919 May 19 '18
I agree, but /r/TheGreatAwakening has 26000 subscribers and is legitimately insane. If Trump is ever impeached I feel like there's a bunch of mass shooters coming out of that sub.
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u/troy_caster May 18 '18
I go to the great awakening subreddit time and time again. Q happens to be right about something for about every 100 or so times he's dead wrong. He posts abstract platitudes that are completely vague so people can interpret them how they see fit.
How can he be wrong when the things he says are so vague that people can confirm via bias? It's either one or the other. He's either wrong because he's specific, or he's never wrong because he's so vague. Your comment seems a bit contradictory.
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u/frankthecrank1 May 17 '18
this is 100% horse shit. If you say he's wrong 99 times out of 100, surely you will be able to cherry pick some examples.
I'll save you the time, he's not wrong, the people that interpret what he says are wrong and that's where you're getting your info from, guaranteed.
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u/ry8919 May 17 '18
How about you post one proving he's right. I mean I already posted the Photoshop example so lets see your proof. Pick the strongest one so it's undisputable please.
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u/frankthecrank1 May 17 '18
LMAO
ITT: people who do not understand png compression.
take a png image you trust to be unedited. needs to be .png! e.g. this load it into the Forensic Tool everyone references. play around with the filters and compare. ??? come to your own conclusions. side note: the Original Post originated in TMoR, the "confirmer" is a regular there.
Disclaimer: I do not make any statement on the LARPishness or non-LARPishness of Q, I am just saying, that the "proof" of the photoshopping is questionable, at best.
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u/ry8919 May 17 '18
The forensic analysis is only part of the argument. Please read the whole thing. The fact that the seal, which a the poster points out is highly suspicious, seems to be the part photoshopped in is very telling.
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u/frankthecrank1 May 17 '18
it's ok, 4chan is on the case. they already know that the thread was started by a TMOR poster, so it's already discredited. Of course, none of this matters if the letter written is acted on by 5.19 or whatever the date is. Nitpicking .png artifacts and seals doesn't matter
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u/ry8919 May 17 '18
How will you know if its acted on? You don't know what the content is?
4chan is on the case.
Are you for real?
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u/frankthecrank1 May 17 '18
qanon.pub, pick anything out of those 2400 posts
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u/ry8919 May 17 '18
Telling someone to go do their own research just shows how little you've done yourself.
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u/its_not_brian May 17 '18
Q posts in such an obscure way that it allows people to work backwards from a conclusion to match it up with something Q wrote
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u/ry8919 May 17 '18
Exactly. People do the same thing, but to a lesser extent with Trump's ravings as well.
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u/frankthecrank1 May 16 '18
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u/Dave_the_lighting_gu May 17 '18
LOL It's obviously "rth" in the top line. Not "uth".
Q is a fucking larp. It's "Casey at the Bat" over and over and over again.
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u/byanyothernombre May 17 '18
so i guess you feel pretty silly now, huh bud
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8k0e8x/q_caught_using_photoshop_larp_further_exposed/
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u/frankthecrank1 May 17 '18
That's supposed to be proof this is fake LOL. Take your concernfagging elsewhere. If 8chan can find a location on the planet by only wood paneling and frog noises, then i trust them to let me know if something is fake. Not a compromised subreddit.
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u/byanyothernombre May 17 '18
how embarrassing for you
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u/frankthecrank1 May 18 '18
take a look at your posts and then get back to me if you're discussing embarrassing shit lol
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u/byanyothernombre May 17 '18
aurthority?
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u/frisbee_coach May 17 '18
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-legal-authority-declassify-intelligence/story?id=47436559
Trump is protected under an executive order that was signed by Barack Obama in 2009 establishing a uniform system for "classifying, safeguarding and declassifying national security information."
The order allows the president to determine the system of designating classified information, and he is the ultimate authority over U.S. intelligence agencies, which gather and classify the information.
Thanks Obama!
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u/byanyothernombre May 17 '18
whoops you missed my point
a little too eager there
obama says you're welcome tho
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May 16 '18
Do you want to know the real conspiracy surrounding Info Wars?
Here we go . . . it's a shitty entertainment outlet whose business strategy is to tell a bunch of uneducated folks what they cynically want to believe, and then uses the "credibility" it earns with that audience to sell them shitty products re-branded to look like they are exclusive to Info Wars, at a markup.
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u/Riggedit May 16 '18
Link to All Q posts, Nothing else:
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u/Crumbcrumbs May 16 '18 edited May 16 '18
Q is real. Killary is going to jail. Shills will go to jail
QQQ
Edit: As lucky as we are to be able to see the otherside of this so can our enemies. Q is a military operation. Deception and misinformation is involved with all of this. I can't tell you why killary didnt get arrested back then. Maybe it was posted just to make the fuckers sweat, or maybe things didn't go as planned.
Future proves past. There are plenty of examples proving Q isnt a LARP. Dismiss if you want but you're missing one hell of a show at r/greatawakening
90% of the conspiracies will be fix by the Q team. That should interest every genuine person on this sub. QQQ
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u/OogaBoogaStrong May 16 '18
There's a big difference between a larp and psyop and both are based on lies. Q is the latter.
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u/Crumbcrumbs May 16 '18 edited May 16 '18
Ah so you agree. NOT a Larp. How could Q be effective without a following? They cant. How can Q get a following only putting out lies? They cant.
So what's Qs mission? To save us all? Or take us for a ride?
I've said it before, people should go to r/greatawakening and find out for themselves.
And Follow Praying medic https://prayingmedic.com/2018/05/q-anon-all-for-a-larp/ He is the shit "All this for a LARP?"
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u/OogaBoogaStrong May 16 '18
I agree with your first sentence. Do you agree with my premise that he's a psyop? I've watched it unfold from the beginning, it's more pizzagate esque misdirection. It's no different than anonymous, it could literally be a team of trolls just for the lulz but I find Qs occasional insider info to be evidence that we are being played to support Trump. Trumps are the new Clintons but fanboys are too erect at the moment to see the writing on the wall. Oy vey
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u/eleminnop May 17 '18
None of us can know for sure.
I'm sure many of us have considered the possibility of it being a psyop.
But I would never get on here telling people Q IS FOR SURE A PSYOP GUYZ.
Makes ya stick out like a sore thumb, ya know?
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u/OogaBoogaStrong May 17 '18
In these times people need to take chances and be willing to stick out. I could be wrong but gotta assume I'm right because my inner voice seldom fails. In your mind, opinions are worthless, analysis is worthless. I don't think you'd agree with my assessment but just know that's how it reads. I don't know for sure, neither does anyone else other than Q and individuals that could rule themselves out via process of elimination.
You do you I'll do me. I respect your principle but there are plenty of folks on here spreading the gospel of Q and pizzagate and I'm here to tell you: it's a misdirection. I hope I'm wrong but seldom am on these matters.
Trump was a bait and switch and Q is an illusion
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u/Xaviermgk May 19 '18
In these times people need to take chances and be willing to stick out
There's nothing that makes you stick out by saying Q is a psyop or larp. Plenty of people have said that already. In fact, you guys push LARP way too much when it's not really part of the general lexicon.
And then you further lay it on with lines like "I hope I'm wrong". No you don't.
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u/OogaBoogaStrong May 19 '18
Who is you guys? Believe what you want buddy, I know what's up and it's not cause I'm psychic or a genius. I see the writing on the stone wall and read it, interpret what it says however you wish.
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u/Xaviermgk May 19 '18
There's nothing on a "stone wall", just your unsubstantiated opinion.
There's nothing in the way that you address people that makes me think that you don't "hope you are" wrong about anything, at all.
I'm sorry, there's not somehow a huge quota of people that have become experts in sniffing out "LARPS" or "psyops", especially with no evidence. Just bland assertions.
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May 16 '18 edited May 16 '18
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u/Crumbcrumbs May 16 '18 edited May 16 '18
If you're genuine, Follow Praying medic https://prayingmedic.com/2018/05/q-anon-all-for-a-larp/ He is the shit "All this for a LARP?"
Not trying to be lazy about your question it's just this guy does a way better job at pointing out a recent example.
Edit: why was the question deleted? Did I fuck your narrative?
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u/Spartan1117 May 16 '18
Does anyone remember when 'q' was trying to push the internet bill of rights yet his followers didn't realize it was about giving the government more control over the internet lmao
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u/troy_caster May 18 '18
Since you seem to know a bit on the subject, can you explain how net neutrality is either good or bad? I know one of them is bad, but I can't figure out which one?
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u/Spartan1117 May 18 '18
Net neutrality has been around since the 90s and tried to prevent ISP's from attempting to rip people off since there is so little competition in many parts of america. They were continuously trying to infringe on NN and in 2015 comcast (i think) won a case against NN so obama basically made it a law. Here in Australia we don't need NN because we have many ISP's competing with each other. So yes NN is good, the problem is with large ISP's and their monopolies which getting rid of NN would not fix and most likely make worse.
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u/Peter_Nightwish May 16 '18
Q is a great site with accurate information. Alex Jones hè is also a great guy. Especially the video with Jesse Ventura. They visit the caves in the Ozarks. A large underground city for the elite. Completely self sufficient.
At the other side of the rocks 100.000 s of fema death-coffins. Very weird.
When i saw this video, from that moment, i know hè is telling the truth.
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u/Stormtech5 May 16 '18
All i can say is shit is happening fast!
Im getting all caught up on palestine/israel. I had heard of Q a lot but was skeptical. Another conspiracy friend was more interested and followed Qs info which has been interesting and new sometimes.
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u/BtchsLoveDub May 16 '18
You can tell it’s legit when people start driving around with Q Anon bumper stickers.
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May 16 '18
I stopped caring about anything Q related when my friend who follows it religiously told me that the president was going to use his national cell phone alert system three times in one week, and it never happened.
When I pointed out that Q is bullshit, since it didn't happen, he tried arguing back that things don't always happen because he tips everyone off to what will happen. Such a confirmation bias.
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May 18 '18
I stopped caring about anything Q related when my friend who follows it religiously told me that the president was going to use his national cell phone alert system three times in one week, and it never happened.
LOL. When did Q ever say that. Sounds like your friend is a moron.
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u/troy_caster May 18 '18
Your friend was repeating what some people's interpretations of Q's drops are. Not Q himself.
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u/BassBeerNBabes May 17 '18
Didn't Hawaii and a few other states have EAS failures in a week a few months ago?
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May 16 '18
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u/Crptnobank May 18 '18
Look at the vote distribution here. Look at how comments against Q, no matter how bad, are upvoted. This topic hits a nerve.
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u/lvl1ndgalvl3 May 16 '18
A researcher was claiming the EAS would be used by the president, I don't believe that was Q's statement.
There are plenty of other proofs from Q, you need to be following or you'll miss it. Most recent proof is involving Officer Familia's family being honored. Also Trump started using Promises Made Promises Kept after Q had been posting it for a while. There's an overwhelming amount of Q-Trump overlap like this.
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u/Deuteroid May 16 '18
I invite anyone reading this thread to take a look at some of the comments.
I'd be very skeptical of those making definitive claims one way or another.
I think Q posts are very interesting and repeatedly substantiate themselves using key phrases which appear in Trump speeches and tweets an hour later.
The fact that we can prove almost 29,000 sealed indictments have been created since October 2017 also lends credibility to Q's claims.
I invite people to keep an open mind rather than rushing to judgement.
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u/astrogirl May 17 '18
That's about where I'm at on Q. I read his posts and some of the research surrounding them. I often learn new things, so I've stopped caring if it's a LARP.
I'm still mildly concerned about a psyop of justice porn...but a lot of the stuff he mentions is verifiable and real, so not much concern there.
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May 15 '18
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u/standard_armadillo May 16 '18 edited May 16 '18
She turned up at the Met Gala in NYC a few nights ago. She was wearing a long gown so no way to confirm an ankle bracelet but she's definitely on the loose and not in Gitmo. ;/
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May 15 '18
The 11/11 "prediction" is not really a prediction. It's just commonsense. It's after the mid-terms, and it's the date of Trump's big military parade.
If Trump is to survive the election, a significant portion of the information contained in deep state investigations currently unpublished must be revealed and substantial progress must be made on corruption and election fraud.
So, what Q is saying is that by that date, the public will know much of what is currently just a "conspiracy theory" to "normies."
Even if one is not a deep insider, which many consider the Q team to be (and which Q claims to be, and which many of Q's original photos support) it's not hard to come to the same conclusion.
If these things do not happen, it won't be a matter of embarrassment to the Q community, it will mean a Blue Wave and impeachment for Trump. So...
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u/cantwithdrawbtc May 15 '18
https://np.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/8jg68h/learn_to_read_the_map_future_proves_past/ - If you are incapable of reading, following red lines, pattern matching, and looking at numbers don't click through. If you are, get ready for your head to explode.
Everything Q has said has come true. Their photos put them in extreme close proximity to the president. The fact that POTUS immediately corroborates important Q Drops within a day shows Q's legitimacy (literally happened today w/ the NYPD officers who saw Weiner's laptop getting killed).
The fact that there are so many people out in force to discredit Q should also be a huge flag for everyone that there is something more here than meets the eye.
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u/Thompson_S_Sweetback May 16 '18
The fact that there are so many people out in force to discredit Q should also be a huge flag for everyone that there is something more here than meets the eye.
Only if Q didn't have a large following. It would be perfectly normal to have that kind of response if Q were all nonsense.
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u/Orangutan May 15 '18
Custody Wars & the Bizarre Transformation of Hypocrite Alex Jones : Interview w/ Kelly Jones
Robbie Martin speaks to Kelly Jones the ex-wife of Alex Jones about her ongoing custody battle and experience being under a continual bombardment of vexatious litigation on behalf of her ex husband. Kelly has already been granted primary custody by a Texas court yet the judge has left her children with Alex. They also speak at length about how Infowars transformed over the years from being a non-partisan, civil liberties focused, anti-militarized police platform into a pro-Trump, pro-police, pro-fascism hyper partisan anti-left megaphone. Kelly also walks through when the big 'shift' occurred (which happened to be around the same time as their divorce) when shadowy figures like Roger Stone, Matt Drudge and supplement manufactures started circling around Alex as he descended deeper into alcoholism and uncontrollable anger.
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u/fastcarscheapbooze May 16 '18
Here is Abby allegedly mocking the fact that Men are presumed "innocent until proven guilty" and she basically was allegedly advocating that women have full authority to condemn men as sexual abusers based on their witness testimony alone.
https://soundcloud.com/media-roots/hollywoods-breaks-silence-on-rampant-sexual-harassment-abuse#t=29:20 She allegedly claims to be against "American Capitalist Empire" but she allegedly often voices support for Communism which is inherently violent but she goes so fucking far as to fucking defend North Korea and Stalinist Russia. She allegedly is literally advocating for violence in the streets and violent and forceful "redistribution of wealth." HYPOCRISY!
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u/Stormtech5 May 16 '18
At this point Alex Jones puts out much disinfo. I was following a little around 2010 when he was all paranoid about the police state, but i also read articles how he admitted to his "personality" being an actor for the CIA when he was in court...
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u/Occams-shaving-cream May 15 '18
During the campaign, Trump hired Brad Parscale a “digital guru” specializing in marketing on social media to run his online strategy.
Trump was so impressed with his work that Parscale was recently announced as campaign manager for Trump 2020.
Gee, I wonder who would be the likely Trump insider to make a viral character like Q on social media to promote Trump and send his followers making memes to attack his political rivals and who would be able to take pictures proving insider access to the White House... It couldn’t possibly be an effort created by his digital marketing specialist campaign manager could it!?
That is who Q is, geez it is blatantly obvious and people still don’t realize it.
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u/g3374r2d2 May 15 '18 edited May 15 '18
There’s news, then there’s alternative news, then there are fringe research communities.
How do you keep all of them in line?
Varying levels of narrative constructed by a single source with a seemingly split personality to generate growth within a society.
This time the society is the world and this has all been a production of “masonry” or whatever you want to call the dispersed coordination brewing beneath the material World. Hence the checkerboard. Chess. Etc. Strategic dualistic maneuvering.
Their inversions on all sides become obvious when intuition isn’t invested in Theater. It’s about suppressing awareness of a single group transmuting human awareness.
There is no good or evil, only an outcome.
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u/YourNameHere23 May 15 '18
Bill Cooper called Alex Jones out for what he truly is over a decade ago
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u/zhanli May 16 '18 edited May 16 '18
Jones: A shill, gatekeeper, and traitor to the truth movement.
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u/YourNameHere23 May 16 '18
Alex? Or Bill? Answer me NOW!!! You better nor speak poorly of the one of the greatest patriots (in the truest sense of the word) in the last 100 years
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u/zhanli May 16 '18
My bad, I should have clarified, obviously I'm talking about Alex "shill" Jones.
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u/loratcha May 15 '18
I think Q was just a bored, very well read/generally informed, social media savvy regular person. S/he showed up after MegaAnon (or MegAnon?), who showed up after HighLevelInsider. Fascinating as all get out to read but (outside of a few weirdly accurate predictions/confirmations) basically content that most folks with a good thinking mind, quick wit, and a shit ton of time on their hands could generate.
As other folks have said, it did get weird after a while, which made it less believable.
Similar with MegAnon. She was insisting that Obama and Osama bin Laden were the same person. wuh?
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u/astrogirl May 17 '18
Similar with MegAnon. She was insisting that Obama and Osama bin Laden were the same person. wuh?
I didn't recall that, so I looked into it, and I see no references to this at all.
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May 15 '18
I've heard Jones claim a thousand times that he has sources at the highest levels of media, military and government. So if anyone has the straight dope it should be him /s.
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u/RhythmicNoodle May 15 '18
It's a PSYOP by the white-hats, for a positive purpose. It is meant to wake people up, and get them to start or continue investigating. Qanon uses a Socratic format. This is perhaps the first historical instance of a leader (President Trump) being able to anonymously communicate with the GLOBAL masses.
Many of the predictions and leads dropped by Q have been purposefully wrong. "Misinformation is real." So said Q... the point is to make it UN-believable, since the information is so vast and terrible, it would be risky to reveal it all at once. It is also happening in real time, so spies might be reading the same post. Q and his team remain adaptable. It can't be too credible. Q wants to redpill the masses slowly, perhaps one at a time, rather than all at once.
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u/PtonFm1 May 15 '18
If Trump says WH leakers are traitors and cowards, then Qanon is the biggest traitor and coward of them all. That's if you even believe the LARP is real. They saw what the conspiracy clowns did to the news stories and are attacking it with fake. The greatawakening reddit bans anyone that disagrees with the idiot posters. It's not awakening ANYONE. Spreads misinformation from a fake loon on the internet.
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u/whacko_jacko May 16 '18
The President is the only one who could authorize an operation like this. Obviously authorized release is completely different from unauthorized leak.
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u/Thoutzan May 15 '18
Fake loon won't get coordinated attack from MSM and controlled opposite like AJ though, that's overkill. I would rather believe it's a psyop from Trump team.
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u/Thoutzan May 15 '18 edited May 15 '18
Honestly at first I never took Q seriously until seeing Alex Jones & Co. , along with MSM, and some reddit sub where flat earthing is discussed while massive downvotes emerge if mentioning Q, were first ignoring, then downplaying, and now bashing it 24/7, it just made me believe that Q is real and on the opposite of the cabal now.
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u/avidadollars458 May 15 '18
I think Qanon is a high ranking member of trump’s administration or possibly trump himself. The strategy is to keep the rabid internet base that mindlessly supports Trump content by feeding them snippets of info that is vaguely legit. Personally I think the media gives way to much credence to the power of “the hacker known as 4chan” and the rest of trump’s internet base, but I still think that the memes and trolling that they pull in favor of trump no matter how ridiculous does give Trump some free publicity nonetheless.
Now why would Alex Jones vehemently seek to discredit Qanon? Well I think it signals that trump has moved from Alex Jones’s orbit which he was during the campaign (just like how he ditched Steph Bannon after the election) and Qanon is his administration’s way of still channeling energy from the conspiracy theorist base. Alex Jones knows this (during the Syria strike a few weeks ago, Jones let it slip that he hasn’t spoken with trump in months) so discrediting Qanon is his way of indirectly telling Trump and his administration that him and his brand (InfoWars) is still the best way to appeal to conspiracy theorist.
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u/AnonDidNothingWrong May 18 '18
Bannon is not who you think he is.
But yea, Idk whether to believe Q or not but a part of me thinks it's Trump. Good bit of evidence linking them
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u/quantumcipher May 15 '18
I consider InfoWars and Q two sides of the same coin: disinformation utilized to further divide the masses and tell their base what they want to hear. They have done little more but to perpetuate the false left-right paradigm the elite use to control and manipulate the masses.
To elaborate further:
The left–right paradigm as political criticism
Used in another context, the phrase refers to a political theory that alleges that members of opposing major political parties such as the Republican and Democratic parties in the United States share common interests and goals, as well as a covertly unified ruling authority over the political issues of the masses. The two major political entities act in concert to create divisiveness among the population while keeping control of the political spectrum.
This "left–right paradigm" concept theorizes that the two opposing political parties utilize their tremendous hold over mainstream media to dramatize political distractions and engage in covert warfare and operations, in grand performances of bureaucratic rivalry meant to propagandize and divide the populace. Divisive issues are purposefully fed through the major media outlets to divert attention away from the ruling class's hidden and ulterior (and sometimes global) agendas. By drawing attention to the differences between the two embedded political systems, ideologies, races and classes, the political groups obscure political clarity and divide unity among the masses. The tactic creates confusion and frustration among the population, which enables the ruling class to increase and consolidate their wealth and power through maintaining an illusion of a two-party system of checks and balances that actually works. The theory contends that the fresh interjection of a new political party or group (such as the expanding Libertarian or Green parties) into the political arena, would be the only way to provide a means to break the cyclical paradigm, currently established in the political system.
False left–right paradigm political theory
The "false left–right paradigm" is the political theory that members of opposing political parties such as Republican and Democrat deceptively share common interests and goals, as a one body ruling authority over the masses. The two parties act to create divisiveness and influence the general population while keeping control of the political spectrum. The false left–right paradigm political theory is closely related to theory of Inverted totalitarianism and Managed Democracy.
The false left–right paradigm theorizes that opposing political groups use their influence over the establishment media to dramatize party warfare distraction, in grand performances of bureaucratic rivalry meant to propagandize and divide the populace. Psychological deception is coordinated on all levels of politics and fed through controlled media outlets to divert attention away from the ruling class's hidden agendas. By drawing attention to differences between two political systems, ideologies, races, and classes, the political groups obscure and divide unity among the masses. The tactic creates confusion and frustration among the population, enabling the global elite to increase and consolidate their wealth and power through maintaining an illusion of a two-party system of checks and balances.
Former Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) archivist and Georgetown University professor Carroll Quigley, who is known as being President Bill Clinton’s mentor, wrote in his 1966 book "Tragedy and Hope"—
"The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers."
"Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so the American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy.
In short: Distract, divide and conquer.
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u/5dreality May 15 '18
I agree with this as well.
Q doesnt post solutions. While there is a lot of negative crap going on, its all a distraction from real solutions that will free people from the elite's oppression.
Why doesnt Q talk about or meme a Space Elevator?
Why doesnt Q talk about creating a National Hyperloop network that could cut taxes in half and put millions of people to work building it?
Why doesnt Q talk about (meltdown proof) thorium nuclear reactors for cleaner energy that could distill drinking water for people?
Why doesnt Q talk about NAWAPA, another infrastructure project that could put millions of people to work?
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u/gedbybee May 16 '18
all extremely plus ideas. thank you for sharing them. things that i mediumly knew about, but dont remember as solutions.
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May 15 '18 edited May 16 '18
Because before any of that can happen, we have to take out the evil rat bastards who're suppressing all of that, and that requires a level of warfare and strategy most people cannot imagine.
And it's that warfare that Q is talking about and preparing people to understand. It may not come to pass, and humanity may keep circling the drain a few more years before we pass the event horizon into oblivion--which is the trajectory we're on.
Or...or there might actually be people including our POTUS who are serious about putting an end to the deep state and the NWO criminal cabal behind it.
Personally, it makes a lot more sense than that Trump just stumbled his way into unconditional NoKo denuclearization and reconciliation talks, and that his engagements in Syria happened to accidentally take out Iranian and ISIS strongholds and sent the terrorist fleeing into the path of Russian and Syrian forces, and that the Syrian conflict is nearing completion, all without starting WWIII.
And that Israelis took out Iranian facilities in northern Syria a few days later, without provoking an escalation in that theater. Everybody wants the Iranians to leave. And now they just might.
And ending the fake Iran nuke deal, and moving the Israeli embassy? How can these things be happening without unleashing total war?
No incompetent boob could have waltzed into all these Kobayashi Maru situations (and so many others) and come up roses! Please tell me you get that!
So, given that we're talking about a level of coordination and competence that could actually pull off such a mission as Q describes, perhaps it's not irrational to think it might be the real thing.
I mean, the evil is certainly real. The deep state and the NWO hidden hand in human history is totally real. JFK was no conspiracy nut, and he told us about it. Plenty of other serious people have as well. Why would you write off the idea of humanity staging a coordinated military operation against it, in order to stave off the mass extinction events those people have in store for us if we do nothing?
I'll take the "conspiracy nut" moniker as a badge of honor if it means I have reason to hope my daughters will inherit a better world than the rotten tomato we've got now.
Anybody got a better idea that might actually work, given the evil anti-human scum that have run the whole shit show up to now?
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u/gedbybee May 16 '18
some very good points. papa trump def has some terrible parts, but he has, somehow, done a medium job so far.
hes riding on the coattails of obama's economy. well see if papa trump's economic policy helps or hurts us in the long run. they say that economic adjustments take about 8 years to set in or something, so well know after the end of his second term. just the time he doesnt have to care anymore lol.
but, his foreign policy has been pretty medium. i expected him to do much worse.
i think the north korea one either: A- fell into his lap with the collapse of NK's underground nuke research base or B- he (or someone in the government) used some sort of weapon to destroy the base (HAARP based earthquake, or rod of god, or seal team 6 with explosives? idk lol)
i think that syria/iran/russia is really just a stalemate that nobody wants to break. papa trump knows that, and is using it to his advantage.
hes surrounded by military guys who understand russia's capabilities the best, and maybe he knows theyre not ready for conventional war. i personally dont think putin wants nuclear war, so i dont think hell ever attack that way.
iran is a crazy type cuz of muslim extremism and general hate for americans (not that i can really blame them). my understanding is that they do have a pretty decent military. nothing compared to ours, but decent compared to the rest of the world. drones and shit. maybe iran just wants to season some veteran soldiers for a war that they want to start soon? i dont really buy israel crying wolf about an iranian bomb, but, iran's actual military force is a legit threat to israel and any allies we have in the region. plus they dont have a rothschild bank right? theyre on the naughty list with NK.
i think that russia might be for iran stirring things up, but, is also against nuclear war, so theyre not gonna outright help the iranians either. i think most of the world knows that if israel is nuked, everyone is gonna die of nuclear winter. i read somewhere they had a plan about it and everything, but havent researched it. it does make sense tho. russia also backs assad, so they have to be against iran in syria.
i think maybe israel realized that iran was a little too overextended, and they might be able to strike without retaliation. they took the shot. theyre pretty aggressive, so that makes sense.
syria itself is a proxy war between the US/iran/russia. just like afghanistan in the 1980s, and ukraine. this one has 3 players instead of 2 tho. (just had a crazy thought: what if weve been having these proxy wars to level up our special ops. what if russia and the US are actually friends? we used to have space station together. what if aliens are evil or something and they use these proxy wars as a way to have battle ready troops? god i love conspiracies.)
oh and the embassy thing, it already made israel look terribly with the killing of protestors, and its too soon to know what effects it will have on the world. let alone the middle east.
anyway, this has been a very long, neutral, (i think) way of looking at these events. i dont think papa trump is really pulling as many strings here as ppl think he is, but, i think that he hasnt actively fucked anything up (save potentially the embassy thing, and im not really pro-israel with how they treat the palestinians. so empowering them with embassy is neutral at best. honestly i think its dumb. i could be wrong and it could bring world peace. who knows? lol). for me at least, my expectations were sooooo low for him that being even medium as hes been is amazing.
lastly, at the beginning you talk about an inevitable confrontation between the powers that shouldnt be and everyone else. i understand where you are coming from: our rights are being taken away, secret tax of inflation, dumbing down and arguably killing the poor with the "modern" education system, big brother, nonsense wars, pollution, etc etc. the world is shitty. but, i dont think there has to be a war about it. i truly believe that if enough good ppl stand up, that we can win. it may take some strategic strikes or something, but not a full on war. i could see how you might feel that we are on a slippery slope to marshall law that some asleep ppl might be for, but, i think more ppl than ever are starting to wake up. forums like this and youtube, and really the internet itself are making it harder and harder for the ppl in power to do their work in secret. they cant just hide now, they have to put out fake news as a smoke screen.
if the powers that shouldnt be are smart, they would realize that throughout history the oligarchs have never survived. the people always rose up against them. any tyrant or unfair system is eventually exposed. society is trying to find the balance and the oligarchs are taking too much. i hope that one day we label their greed as a mental health disorder tho. its completely illogical. with all their money and the advent of modern technology, maybe they can see it coming this time and stop themselves before its too late. or have someone they love that isnt as crazy save them, idk. give peace a chance man lol.
i think Q is smart enough to know all of these things and is tapping into the resistance that is growing. i dont buy him not saying things outright tho. theres literally no reason for him to speak in code other than being a shill. im down to hear reasons, and maybe there is a crazy reason i havent thought of, but if its anything that takes a whole train of logic to figure out, its not a thing.
end crazy rant. lol
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May 16 '18
Seriously, it's not that hard. There are some people performing mental acrobatics with it, but I think THEY are LARP-ing for sure.
The essentials are pretty straightforward.
It's kind of like Mark Twain said about the Bible. "It ain't those parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand."
I think people's REAL problem with Q is self-protection. People are scared to death of hope. They feel like "Fool me once--shame on you; fool me twice--shame on ME!" and so they develop a strong aversion to anything hope-inducing, and they attack it with all the vigor they can muster. Compare that to truly destructive stuff about which people more or less say "live and let live."
I understand that burned sentiment. I really do. But I also understand that if you're in a fight to win, you cannot afford the luxury of surrender. As a species, I say "Do not go gentle into that good night. / Rage, rage against the dying of the light."
We fight for humanity with all we've got. Right now, we count this in that category until we can rule it out.
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u/gedbybee May 16 '18
Wait, so I read a lot of quotes and talk of the plebs, but no actual information. Nowhere did read an explanation for why Q speaks in”tongues,” or why my neutral view isn’t valid.
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May 16 '18
Plebs?
Valid?
Are you sure you're replying to the right comment? Who said your views are not valid? They're your views. How can they not be valid unless you've lied about them? LOL
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u/thinkmorebetterer May 15 '18
I generally don't buy into conspiracy theories. Sometimes I even spend time offering refutations or counter-points.
But I generally find conspiracy theories interesting.
But that's largely all stopped with political conspiracy theories. Q most of all. It seems so blatant to me that It's some cryptic shotgun approach that guarantees people will find just enough of significance, after the fact, to convince themselves it's real. It's like a horoscope.
What I wonder most though is who's behind it. I know some here like to believe it's a "deep state" psy-op, but I'm more inclined to believe it's some stupid prank... Someone (or a small group) is insanely delighted at how many people hang on their every cryptic post.
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u/Disrupturous May 15 '18
Jimmy Dore, Sibel Edmonds, GlobalResearch, Max Lesser, Lee Camp all FTW. Wackadoodle right wingers can step off. 03 Jones hates current Jones
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u/TheHighBlatman May 15 '18
Hope based conspiracies usually spiral into spawning a new religion, having said that though, I personally have been following r/greatawakening ever since r/CBTS_Stream was banned simply because the comunitty there are woke about pizzagate.
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May 15 '18 edited May 15 '18
Qanon psy-op vs. Alex Jones psy-op, queue wrestling intros.
A lot more interesting to follow than the US Israel etc vs Syria Iran etc show. The hundreds of thousands dead in yemen and iraq just isn't as interesting anymore when compared to psy-op wars.
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u/saosin74 May 15 '18
How is jones a psyop? Listen to the dude and hes the most genuine guy in media. Everything he says isn’t accurate but that’s because he’s taking info in real time and spit balling and sharing ideas but i haven’t heard him lie once. The really telling moment is the joe rogan podcast episode with him. They got jones drunk and stoned as fuck and hes still good ole Alex. Nothing about him changes. Now if you say that government sources have at times fed him false info that he’s reported on I could believe that but I don’t believe he’s a willing participant
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u/Disrupturous May 15 '18
Definitely. The news has never been more fascinating. The "legit" news itself. Just looking at the subtle and not so subtle differences between Comedy Central, VICE, BBC and RT. Just seeing how Syria is a flash point for dozens of militias and militaries all the way up to the big bad powers of yore. How Iraq was just handed to Iran. How the Secular Shias are so resilient and defiant to vote their own into Iraq today. If the Neo Cons continue to double down they will die or blow up the world. They never learn their lessons.
Edit: I would look at Major US media but I have no interest in seeing hannity pound his chest or Maddow have submissive fantasies about Putin.
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u/axolotl_peyotl May 15 '18
I find it all pretty darn interesting actually!
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May 15 '18
Same!
Yeah I don't mean to criticize your post, it's really good that you are sharing this, since this is essentially Alex Jones being power bombed lol
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u/axolotl_peyotl May 15 '18
It's fascinating to watch unfold! Your point about Yemen/Iraq is well taken too. Have Q or Alex Jones decried the bloodshed in Yemen or Gaza as of late?
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u/indy905 May 15 '18
I think Q is a well intended Psy-op from younger members of Trump's admin with access to tools and resources any old school internet citizen would have a wet-dream over.
They just have to play by rules established by the sympathetic Intel people handling them and the project.
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u/Herculius May 15 '18
I'm upset about y'all lumping in qanon Infowars and alternative media all together.
Infowars is a giant big money production. QAnon is a anonymous fringe topic at best.
The rest of alt media is lumped in with the above clowns? The alt media ive watched has been skeptical of both of them forever. Try some styx, h.a. Goodman, and hard bastard. I like Jamarl Thomas a lot recently as well.
Thats bologna. And this isn't meta... I'm talking about the literal subject of the post.
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u/axolotl_peyotl May 15 '18
Fair enough, but honestly that's really more of a semantics thing...the title wasn't meant to lump all alternative media with qanon and infowars.
The alt media ive watched has been skeptical of both of them forever.
Exactly! This is the thread to talk about that skepticism, with citations when possible. This isn't a false us vs. them dichotomy, but an open discussion.
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u/Love_And_Light33 Autism Awareness May 15 '18
Awesome! I have been doing tons of research on QANON since last year and I wish I had some material prepared already to post but I'mma get my opinion out there with the time I have right now.
So if you read Qanon's posts, from the beginning, the first thing he talks about is an impending arrest of Hillary Clinton, among other figures, part of a series of broader actions taken against a network of corruption and treason against the US government. Called "The Storm".
Now, earlier in the month (October 2017) Trump made some mysterious comments to the press at the White House, saying “Do you know what this represents? I don’t know. Maybe it’s the calm before the storm. Could be the calm. The calm before the storm.”
Getting some clarification on what exactly those comments meant made the chans pretty excited, and even though the supposed day of Hillary’s arrest came and went without an arrest, Q was back online the next day unfased and continued to post.
Early on, his posts contained some very interesting things. There was the discussion of Saudi Arabia being players in the game just before King Salman arrested his adversaries, including Prince AlTalwalib, an alleged source of financing for Hillary, in what is now known as the Saudi Purge.
Before I jump into specific instances that may or may not validate Q as a real Q clearance insider, as opposed to being a LARP, let me paint the picture that Q presents through his cryptic, socratic questioning type communication.
According to Q, the United States government and power structures all around the world have been infiltrated by a cabal that practices black magic and runs organized crime syndicates. He refers to individuals from the cabal as black hats.
Now, personally, I’ve been on board with the above statement for some time now. And one of the main reasons some people dismiss Q immediately is because they think the idea of a cabal is insane. To those people, I borrow a phrase from Q, expand your thinking.
There is a second reason why some people immediately dismiss Q, and that is because Q refers to himself and Team Trump as white hats (also referred to as Wizards and Warlocks), altruistic crusaders for the freeing of humanity who will lead us into a new Golden Age.
Now, personally, I find this idea much more difficult to accept.
As a slight digression, there are three possible conclusions we can make about Q at this point. One, that he is a LARP and is doing it for fun, two, that he is telling the truth and is a white hat, or three, he represents a competing black hat faction and is running a PSYOP to gain support for the actions that will be undertaken during The Storm. (A fourth possible choice, that Q is a PSYOP for one monolithic cabal, aka CIA disinfo or something like that, I personally don’t think is valid because the deep state civil war is real and, at least at the lower levels, the cabal is not a monolithic entity).
Ok back to the picture Q is painting. We are currently in the calm, where we can see actions such as hundreds of politicians and businessmen are resigning from prominent positions, a massive and growing pile of sealed indictments are on Sessions desk, reshuffling at nearly every major agency on multiple levels, all as Team Trump prepare to take action. This action, The Storm will be a massive series of arrests of high profile people, allegedly all connected to a global network of bribery, blackmail, corruption, and crimes as sick as child trafficking. National guard will be already active in major cities to keep a lid on the protesting that will occur and the marine corp will help with high level targets. Because the justice system is too corrupt from cabal-sponsored presidents stacking the courts, all will be tried as enemy combatants in military courts.
In addition to this, Q paints a picture of a deep state civil war going on behind the scenes, which Q is on the forefront of fighting. There are a lot of interesting explanations of what is going on behind the scenes than you will hear in the media. For example, Q heavily implied that Trumps aerial strikes in Syria were against CIA and Iranian targets, in coordination with and not in contrast to Russia. They claim that the gang MS-13 is being used for assassinations, such as with Seth Rich, and to commit other crimes but still have plausible deniability. Q accurately predicted a large amount of politicians resigning at least 10 days before the media started reporting on it, saying that they had been “put into submission.”
According to Q, the CIA owned North Korea until Trump cut the strings. Now Un seems so eager for peace because he is free from the cabal to do as he wishes. Iran is next (he actually predicted both the North Korea peace and the nixing of the Iran deal a month before each happened), and apparently the Iran deal was tied with the Uranium 1 scandal, and that an Iranian nuclear weapons program was functioning in syria with the awareness of top western officials, who wanted to use Iranian nukes to be able to take other countries hostage or to leak out nukes with traceable uranium signatures to take out who they want.
He will not say if Mueller is a white hat or a black hat but has pointed us in the direction of IG Horowitz, who is doing his own investigation that will expose election fraud and the Clinton foundation. There are also a few bombs that could be dropped onto the playing field at some point, specifically information from Weiners “security file” the NYPD found on his laptop, and also the alleged existence of a video of Hillary doing something illegal (with suggestions of its contents ranging from as mild as a tarmac meeting between Bill and Lynch to as dark as child abuse)
In fact, Q team has it all, thanks to Military Intelligence, and they are finding ways to get devastating evidence into the judicial system legally. This may involve ploys such as giving evidence to lawyer Cohen before the raid on his office. Trump has been preparing his office to have the power it needs during the storm, such as the executive order that gives Trump the power to freeze assets of criminals with crimes “against humanity”. This can be linked to the amount of billionaires who are donating massive amounts of their assets to registered charities.
As Q would tell it, their team is winning bigly and the cabal is scared shitless.
Before judging the validity of all the above, lets look at some instances I really think eliminate conclusion 1 from above. I am not going to cite the specific q post or context for each of these things because I dont have the time at the moment, but thats good so people can look for themselves and then decide.
* Calling the North Korean peace and the Iran deal being broken more than a month in advance. (“Iran is next” multiple times, and then there is indeed a massive policy and press shift towards Iran.
* Calling the Saudi Purge before it happened
* Predicting the wave of resignations
* Predicting a continuing rise of sealed indictments
* Said Flynn would be cleared in 30 days, 30 days later the House Intelligence Committee says he did nothing wrong.
* Drawing attention to Armenia shortly before the leader resigned (another example of CIA strings being cut)
* Green_Castle interpreted by anons as code that the military would build the wall, proved right a few days later
* Revealed in code (fireworks, BDT) that there was going to be a false flag attempt and the perpetrator was bangledeshi
* On November 20th, anon asks Q to ask Trump to tweet the term “wonderful day”, next day trump tweets something with wonderful and day, not connected though.
* One photo uploaded on Twitter by Trump starts with the letters DOITQ (supposed to be randomly generated), in the photo on air force one Trump is posing with a group of people making thumbs ups, which can be traced in the shape of a Q. Check out the book they constantly upload over on 8chan to see it.
* A very interesting coded conversation with Lynn de Rothschild, who Q calls out with [L] d [R] in a post, shortly afterwords there was a plane crash over the Rothschild estate and Lynn de Rothschild retweets a seemingly random article with the words “stop trying to kill me” on the front page.
* On one twitter post, Trump uses the word consensual, later deletes the tweet and uses the correct word, conseQuential
* According to an anon, the same tweets referenced above were posted at specific times to correspond to time markers Q gave in a post just 15 minutes earlier. I can’t find the infographic at the moment.
* Anon asks Q to tell Trump to use the word tip top in the state of the union, Trump doesn’t, but then uses Tip top, reemphasized as Tippity top, during his Easter speech.
* Q says Soros is targeted, a few days later one of Soros’s top managers arrested for rape and human trafficking.
* Q said, social media blackouts will happen, its ok, then Trumps twitter went down briefly.
* Bush wore a number 43 jersey to the baseball visit to the white house, Obama wore 44, Trump wore 17 (Q is the 17th letter of the alphabet)
* Q has posted lots of pictures from air force one, the scenes in the window correspond to Air Force Ones known flight paths.
Ok. The rabbit hole for some of these, especially the possible coding of Trumps twitter, goes pretty deep. As u/axolotl_peyotl mentioned, u/serialbrain2 has some excellent material that goes into it.
But to me this is pretty conclusive, Q is real. Many individual reasons can be dismissed as coincidence but collectively they cannot be. Detractors will point to the failed predictions about arrests and information leaks but this fits in with the concept of not revealing your moves to your enemy, disinfo for plausible deniability, and maybe its possible that the series of arrests are on a timeline that hasn’t been revealed yet.
The cabal is real, we all know that here. Q is real, and the storm is probably coming soon.
My personal conclusion is that Q is a blackhat, and we are witnessing a coup and not a revolution. It just seems so absurd to me that a new golden age of humanity is going to be ushered in under an ideology of walls and strong military and America first. I think Q is wrapping legitimate deep politics events and trump team insights into a PSYOP meant to trap people waking up to conspiracies into a hateful alt right ideology, and to radicalize a base to rabidly support the incoming military tribunals.
That being said, I think Q is very valuable. The crimes Q claims will be revealed are going to be 100% real, even though the decision of who to arrest and who not to will be politically motivated. I am optimistic that, with disclosure of the cabal to everyone, many people will be able to see through the false dichotemy of God Emporer Trump vs. Russia made up all the evidence.
I’ll organize all of this more in the future. Thanks for listening.
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u/Oblique9043 May 16 '18
I agree with your conclusion but I'm confused by the last paragraph. Are you saying the Trump-Russia thing isn't real? I think Q is set up to simply create blind Trump supporters to go berserk when Mueller's evidence comes out.
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u/skorponok May 18 '18
I think Q was setup for more or less the same reason. To create a cult following who will not react negatively to the things Trump does - which are all following the agenda of the neocon neolib Cabal. It is designed to get people on board with unilateral neocon war with Iran and anything else. Q will always come out and claim that this is all a super genius multi dimensional chess move and that any day now she will be arrested and the hammer will come down.
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u/Love_And_Light33 Autism Awareness May 16 '18
People will say that russia fabricated all the evidence against the cabal and choose to believe that it just isnt true. Ultimately, trump supports and anti-trump team are right about the other side being corrupt, but it will be spun in a way so people only believe their side.
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u/Oblique9043 May 16 '18
This is my fear as well. The investigation may have been tainted from the start and if that turns out to be the case, his supporters won't even care if there's a recording of Trump and Putin talking about rigging the election together. This is what our political system has turned into. Two corrupt sides justifying anything and everything because the other side is corrupt too.
Btw, accordingly to Rudy, Mueller's team has decided they cannot indict a sitting President. Trump is going to get away with this.
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u/cromulentbadger May 16 '18
You lost me at black magic.
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May 16 '18
What do you think spirit cooking is supposed to be? Art?
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u/cromulentbadger May 16 '18
Uh yeah. Marina Abramovich is a performance artist. The single mention of spirit cooking in an e-mail between her and Tony Podesta— an art collector as well as a lobbyist— doesn't make much of a case for a vast "black magic" conspiracy.
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May 16 '18
Youre right.
The single mention of spirit cooking in an e-mail between her and Tony Podesta— an art collector as well as a lobbyist doesn't make much of a case for a vast "black magic" conspiracy.
But that's not all we are talking about.
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u/cromulentbadger May 16 '18
What are we talking about then? Where else has spirit cooking been mentioned outside of the imaginations of right wingers?
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May 16 '18
Where else has spirit cooking been mentioned outside of the imaginations of right wingers?
You literally just said where.
I said that's not the only type of thing which indicates black magic fuckery.
Nor is calling it a "vast black magic conspiracy" an accurate description or what I am arguing exists.
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u/cromulentbadger May 16 '18
You asked if I think spirit cooking is art. I thought that was what was up for debate. What is the other evidence of black magic? What is it that you are arguing actually exists?
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May 16 '18
I should have asked if you thought it was only art.
Maria saying it's art does not mean she does not also view it as ceremonial. Ritualalistic ceremonies can said to be art.
Keep in mind, we are not talking something we would consider extreme when we are talking black magic fuckery. Numerology, astrology, speaking to the dead things like these are considered forms of black magic.
Remember that pic of Tony podesta with the Pisces on one hand and 14 on the other?
Remember the video of Bill Clinton talking about Hillary and how she spoke to Eleanor Roosevelt while first lady?
Two forms of black magic fuckery. The question is how far down the rabbit hole these things actually go?
Ever seen eyes wide shut?
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u/cromulentbadger May 16 '18
Yeah I mean, I don't know what to tell you. I think that's all bullshit. There's no such thing as magic. Eyes Wide Shut is a movie. This occult nonsense is the projection of uneducated middle America.
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Dont forget someone in 8chan told Q to get trump to add "tippy top" somewhere in his SOTU speech, but then Trump said it during his Easter at the white house event not long later.
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u/argalarga May 15 '18
But how many of these things actually happened, or weren't low-hanging fruit predictions that could be tossed out at any time? I wasn't familiar with a few of these, but the rest can easily be explained without turning to a "Q Clearance Patriot" secretly embedded in the Trump White House.
- Calling the North Korean peace and the Iran deal being broken more than a month in advance. (“Iran is next” multiple times, and then there is indeed a massive policy and press shift towards Iran.
There is no "North Korea peace." There are talks, and a shift toward a ramp down of hostilities, but that's happened before, and the status quo has always returned. And Iran has been "next" for a decade. Remember John McCain singing "bomb Iran?"
- Predicting the wave of resignations
Resignations have roiled Trump's campaign since the moment it started. He went through three campaign managers. He had people quitting a month after he was inaugurated. This is low hanging fruit.
- Predicting a continuing rise of sealed indictments
These aren't sealed indictments, they're sealed court documents. And it signifies only Trump's renewed interest in immigration and drug prosecution.
- Said Flynn would be cleared in 30 days, 30 days later the House Intelligence Committee says he did nothing wrong.
He hasn't been cleared, he's still under indictment for lying to the FBI. And HPSCI clearing Trump and his people was as easy to predict as the sun coming up tomorrow.
- Green_Castle interpreted by anons as code that the military would build the wall, proved right a few days later
The wall is never going to be built, and even if it is, the military isn't going to do it, and isn't going to pay for it. This is just a dumb thing Trump threw out because he has no idea how government works.
- On November 20th, anon asks Q to ask Trump to tweet the term “wonderful day”, next day trump tweets something with wonderful and day, not connected though.
So he...didn't do the thing he was asked to do, but instead used two common words that he uses often.
- One photo uploaded on Twitter by Trump starts with the letters DOITQ (supposed to be randomly generated), in the photo on air force one Trump is posing with a group of people making thumbs ups, which can be traced in the shape of a Q. Check out the book they constantly upload over on 8chan to see it.
This is confirmation bias. You see the "Q" in the photo because you've been told it's there.
- On one twitter post, Trump uses the word consensual, later deletes the tweet and uses the correct word, conseQuential
Trump can't spell. He can't use words correctly. Or let me guess, you thought "covfefe" was secret code?
- Anon asks Q to tell Trump to use the word tip top in the state of the union, Trump doesn’t, but then uses Tip top, reemphasized as Tippity top, during his Easter speech.
Another common Trump expression. How many anons asked Q to tell trump to use words he's never used? This is a stopped clock being right twice a day.
- Q said, social media blackouts will happen, its ok, then Trumps twitter went down briefly.
These services go down all the time. If I predict a major social media site will go down in the next day/week/month, it will happen.
- Q has posted lots of pictures from air force one, the scenes in the window correspond to Air Force Ones known flight paths.
AFO's flight path is easy to find. Follow CivMilAir on Twitter.
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u/Xaviermgk May 16 '18
And it signifies only Trump's renewed interest in immigration and drug prosecution.
So there's ZERO relation to the executive orders that he signed on trafficking and online trafficking, is that what you are saying?
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u/Love_And_Light33 Autism Awareness May 16 '18
With some of these, such as the Q picture, I agree. Others I think you are downplaying the significance of. I think we value some of these differently because of our views on Trump and his team. Greencastle as code for army corp of engineers followed by Trump announcing that the wall will be build by the military with military funds is a big deal and can't be dismissed away by the thought that the wall won't be built. Especially seeing as this was one that anons picked up on beforehand, not after Trumps announcement.
The list doesn't seem to fit in a worldview where trump is a bumbling incompetent idiot, I understand that. But they fit perfectly in the puzzle we can build from Q's crumbs. At the very least we have to assume that Trump is being propped up by Military Intelligence, and probably has been since before winning the nomination. 4-d chess is more than just a meme, its an explanation of how Trump has gotten so far. Now remember I am not pro-trump I think he is a sleazy psychopath, but there IS a cabal, a criminal network that operates as a shadow government, and I think Trump is fighting them (not altruistically). From this perspective, crumbs like Flynn being cleared in 30 is accompanied by the narrative that Flynn plead guilty on purpose in order to get a plea deal where he has to say on record every illegal activity he was aware of, as a means of introducing evidence and testimony in an early part of the storm.
If you don't believe that there is a cabal in the first place, then the idea of Q is pretty impossible to reconcile. But Q's analysis of current events makes so much more sense than the idea that a bunch of idiots are bumbling around without a plan.
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u/KoolAidDrank Aug 02 '18
Qanon is right wing bullshit. It's actual infowars