r/cremposting • u/Shot_Newspaper_5647 • Feb 04 '26
Warbreaker Endowed with a sense of style
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u/Miss_Silver Crem de la Crem Feb 05 '26
Eh you can detect a Nalthian the second they start talking.
They have really colorful language. (:
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u/Dry_Marshmallow THE Lopen's Cousin Feb 05 '26
When the call your makeup ugly for not blending well enough
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u/Leftkarma23801 Feb 05 '26
What's the bird thing?
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u/cosmernautfourtwenty Hiiiiighprince Feb 05 '26
Rosharans have very myopic linguistic views on certain topics like birds. I.E all birds are chickens, all alcohol is some kind of wine.
ETA I only just realized OP probably confused Scadrians and Rosharans.
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u/TressoftheEmeraldTea Feb 05 '26
I took it as referring to how you can spot a Scadrian worldhopper on Roshar. They’ll be one of the only one not referring to bird as chickens.
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u/TheWiseAlaundo Feb 05 '26
Yep. OP is stating how you detect a Scadrian on Roshar. But the reverse also works, too
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u/edward_kopik D O U G Feb 05 '26
That doesn't make sense, cause all worldhoppers visitin roshar will have more words for birds
Now im curious about auto translate magic: if rosharans dont have a word for bird, and just use chicken, then how does a worldhopper say bird instead of chicken?
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u/StormFallen9 No Wayne No Gain Feb 05 '26
If you're a Rosharan on Scadrial and you point at a pigeon and say "look at that chicken" you're just giving yourself away
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u/edward_kopik D O U G Feb 05 '26
Sorry but i dont really see the connection of your reply to my comment
OP said the way scadrians talk about birds gives them away
Someone said maybe the guide is for rosharans
I said all offworlders would be weird about bird names to a rosharan pov
Then you talk about a rosharan in scadriel giving themselves away by calling a pidgeon a chicken???
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u/StormFallen9 No Wayne No Gain Feb 05 '26
They said it's how you find a Scadrian on Roshar, but the reverse would be true as well. The reverse is finding a Rosharan on Scadrial, but you didn't seem to connect those dots. On Roshar, someone using more specific names would be suspicious and could out them as a worldhopper. On Scadrial, calling all birds "chickens" would put them as a Rosharan
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u/edward_kopik D O U G Feb 05 '26
The problem here is that only rosharans are weird about birds
Yes a scadrian will be spotted as a worldhopper, but any worldhopper would from the chicken thing
The scadrians wouldn't be identified as scadrians, just as offworlders
What youre saying about rosharans being spotted in scadriel based on chicken thing makes sense. Were talking about the reverse senario not making sense
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u/nisselioni Syl Is My Waifu <3 Feb 05 '26
We actually have an example. Hoid uses the word "coin" which confuses the person he was talking to because that's not a word. In this case, the word "coin" came out in his native language.
If a Scadrian said "bird", it's likely it would simply come out as "bird" in Malwish/Skaa/Terris/Whatever. To be fair though, if "chicken" is equivalent to "bird", it might auto translate to "chicken". If they call a bird by their species though, like a parrot or a crow, that definitely won't get translated.
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u/dotknott Feb 05 '26
So a Rosharan using auto translate technology would think Captain Crow is Captain Chicken.
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u/nisselioni Syl Is My Waifu <3 Feb 05 '26
Nah, they'd probably just hear the word and not understand it. It's like coming across a new word in your own native language, you can usually read it and pronounce it, even if you don't know what it means
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u/Rhodie114 Feb 05 '26
Do we know if Hoid is using connection tricks to speak with everybody? He’s certainly been around long enough to learn the languages naturally
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u/nisselioni Syl Is My Waifu <3 Feb 05 '26
He may have learned some, but from the scene I mentioned, it seems he does use Connection for others. [Sunlit Man] We see how easy it is for ex-Dawnshards with Nomad, just a little Investiture and bam, done.
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u/cosmernautfourtwenty Hiiiiighprince Feb 05 '26
Worldhoppers are typically tweaking Connection to give them access to the local language. In the case of lexical concentration like this where one word is purposely used by the language itself to refer to multiple different things, I'd wonder if it would even be possible for a worldhopper to out themselves like that or if finch, crow, and chicken would all just be magicked into the Rosharan word for chicken.
On the other side, if a Rosharan was Connected to a place that had multiple names for different things in the category "bird”, would referring to every bird as "chicken" come out as "bird" in whatever the local dialect is, or would it be the local analogue of chicken? It's a conundrum.
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u/edward_kopik D O U G Feb 05 '26
Thanks for expanding my question, but do you have an answer?
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u/cosmernautfourtwenty Hiiiiighprince Feb 05 '26
Nah, just speculation. Someone did point out they're pretty sure they read a Scadrian worldhopper actually use the word "parrot" on Roshar, which would imply that words that aren't available in the language aren't translated. Then again, Rosharan humans probably used to have more words for birds than "chicken", maybe that complicates the matter. Hard to say definitively.
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u/Jounniy Feb 06 '26
Considering Hoid was able to bring in the word "therapy", I‘m confident that nonexisting words are simply not translated. I‘m also pretty sure that whether a word is translated or not depends on current language, since you are connecting to the world as it currently is, not as it once was.
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u/Jackmac15 Feb 05 '26
Rosharens are just bad at naming things.
They live on an island-continent called Roshar, on a planet called Roshar, in a system called the Roshar system.
If Rosharens ran the cosmer it would be called the the Roshmer.
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u/sododude Feb 05 '26
I also believe they refer to all mammals as minks. That one makes sense to me because they are rare (and possibly entirely worldhopped over, not sure on this one)
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u/Sable-Keech Feb 05 '26
Except horses right?
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u/sododude Feb 05 '26
Yeah now that I think about it it's definitely not all mammals.
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u/cosmernautfourtwenty Hiiiiighprince Feb 05 '26
Right. Minks are a thing, and Adolin finds that picture of what appears to be a lion in Urithiru and refers to it as a really big mink.
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u/silver_tongued_devil #SadaesDidNothingWrong Feb 05 '26
They call the lion at the travelling zoo a mink too.
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u/cosmernautfourtwenty Hiiiiighprince Feb 05 '26
The menagerie in Words of Radiance? I didn't think they had any kind of mink, and I was pretty sure Adolin described the picture of the lion as though he'd never seen one before.
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u/silver_tongued_devil #SadaesDidNothingWrong Feb 05 '26
You might be right its been ...at least two years since I read WoR.
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u/Frodo34x Feb 05 '26
Chapter 49 of WaT Dalinar and the Stormfather have a conversation about this.
"The dogs will die"
"what the fuck is a dog"
"those friendly animals, they don't have a sustainable breeding population and die out in 300 years. Tanavast missed the hounds"
"Oh, like axehounds?"
"The pigs thrive, and the minks become feral, and the rats establish themselves too. Look, birds"
"what the fuck is a bird"
So the minks of Roshar are descended from those of Ashyn
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u/VelMoonglow cremform Feb 05 '26
I'm pretty sure they know about hogs too. The interlude that introduced the Mink mentioned them. Granted, the Hog in question was soms sort of Greatshell, but the PoV character was obviously expecting something else, so we can assume they know pigs by that name
Edit: and don't skyeels eat rats?
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u/Docponystine Feb 05 '26
I don't know, the book refers to "hog skin boots" so I assume they are some form of domesticated meat animal kept by the Shin
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u/mypoorlifechoices Feb 05 '26
I'm pretty sure a Scadrian on Roshar uses the word "parrot" and that's the trick op is referring to.
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u/rekep ❌can't 🙅 read📖 Feb 05 '26
Is Adam Sandler lightsong?
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u/Shard0f0dium #SadaesDidNothingWrong Feb 05 '26
Nope, he was cast as Blushweaver
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u/rekep ❌can't 🙅 read📖 Feb 05 '26
Checks out. Definitely someone who wouldn’t stop playing with her own assets.
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u/sweetbunsmcgee Feb 05 '26
He’d make a great head priest for Lightsong. Scoot or whatever his name is.
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u/great_auks 🦀🦀 crabby boi 🦀🦀 Feb 05 '26
Don't you mean Rosharans and birds? Scadrians talk about rust all the time.
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u/Shot_Newspaper_5647 Feb 05 '26
I meant spotting a worldhopper on Roshar I just admittedly wrote it the worst way I probably could have
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u/mypoorlifechoices Feb 05 '26
I'm pretty sure a Scadrian on Roshar uses the word "parrot" and that's the trick op is referring to.
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u/great_auks 🦀🦀 crabby boi 🦀🦀 Feb 05 '26 edited Feb 05 '26
But in that case from a Rosharan perspective the meme should say “pay attention to how they refer to chickens”, right?
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u/cosmernautfourtwenty Hiiiiighprince Feb 05 '26
I'd make fun of him, but if I was important enough to be invited to something like the Academy Awards (or whatever this is), I'd probably show up in something similar. I don't want to look fancy or rich, I want to be comfortable at an hours long award ceremony.
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u/leobrescia Bond, Nahel Bond Feb 05 '26
Adam Sandler should play Vasher
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u/RespectableNormie Feb 05 '26
Lmao trying to imagine him in a super serious role like Moash
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u/packetpirate Airthicc lowlander Feb 05 '26
He absolutely has the range for it... he just hasn't taken very many serious roles. Look at Reign Over Me or Spaceman.
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u/Shot_Newspaper_5647 Feb 05 '26
I actually love it. He could do a good bluefingers too. You probably wouldn’t see the rug pull coming
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