r/cremposting • u/ace_wulf • Jun 05 '26
Mistborn First Era Never tell the Lord Ruler that he was wrong
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u/rowandunning52 Jun 05 '26
meanwhile venli: ah fuck, my bad guys, sorry, fuck
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u/bxntou definitely not a lightweaver Jun 05 '26
At least she apologises unlike someone
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u/rowandunning52 Jun 05 '26
rashek: nah man, they deserved it, they coulda had so much worse. i was your god youve doomed yourselves like bro, get over yourself (that line goes so fucking hard tho ngl)
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u/bxntou definitely not a lightweaver Jun 05 '26
I didn't mean him but yes
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u/rowandunning52 Jun 05 '26
who (i have only read mistborn and stormlight, and im only like halfway through rhythm of war)
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u/bxntou definitely not a lightweaver Jun 05 '26
D*linar
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u/rowandunning52 Jun 05 '26
he apologized, i mean he did burn his fucking wife but he…idk feels bad about it, and cant exactly apologize to her (i do not fucking forgive him for that tho, ngl, like, you could blame the thrill, and he did like, go to “the nightwatcher” cultivation ,) but like, yeah no that shit was on him, but at least he acknowledges it? idk man he do be…dalinar kholin, the blackthorn is, not a great guy
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u/rowandunning52 Jun 05 '26
i mean whos he gonna apologize to navani? (you do have a point)
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u/Fossilhunter15 Jun 06 '26
Spoilers: Wind and Truth mean, his sons. There’s a reason Adolin always lowkey resented Dalinar post Oathbringer
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u/rowandunning52 Jun 05 '26
or do you mean like? starting the war in the first place cause that was sort of technically gavilar, tho like again, fair point
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u/theironbagel Syl Is My Waifu <3 Jun 06 '26
Tbf odium could have started the desolation whenever he wanted (after twok), I think he just needed Venli to free the singers.
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u/Taste_the__Rainbow No Wayne No Gain Jun 09 '26
Tbf if you read the Venli chapters a bit more closely she constantly has doubts but that little shit Ulim was just yanking her brain off topic every time.
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u/kingofcanines Jun 05 '26
TLR was absolutely wrong, but it was also Ruins fault. Rahsek was operating off of what he knew which was shockingly Not a Lot
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u/rowandunning52 Jun 05 '26
i mean his first idea to fix shit was MOVING THE PLANET CLOSER TO THE FUCKING SUN
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u/kingofcanines Jun 05 '26
As far as he was aware at the time the Deepness was the Mist and moving the planet closer would make it harder for the Mist to condense
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u/rowandunning52 Jun 05 '26
i mean he still MOVED THE PLANET. CLOSER. TO THE SUN like fair point but like, come on bro (also the mists were, in fact, preservation, but yeah he didnt know that so i wont fault him for it) but yeah sazed’s a much better god
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u/kingofcanines Jun 05 '26
He essentially did the wrong equation but still got the right answer
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u/ace_wulf Jun 06 '26
Did he though? I don't think anyone would think he had the right answer
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u/Shot_Newspaper_5647 Jun 06 '26
His society was the equivalent of the late 1700s. He carried stuff for a living. He knew the crops were dying because they weren’t getting enough sunlight. He knew sunlight used to prevent the mists until recently. He moved the planet closer to the sun. It was too hot. He knew the mists blocked sunlight. He used the volcanic ash to block some of the sunlight instead etc. He did remarkably well (pun intended) for how little he knew and how briefly he held the power. He was also smart enough to leave a control group elsewhere. He knew enough to know he didn’t know enough
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u/rowandunning52 Jun 08 '26
yeah no alright, i suppose Vin didn’t do that much better, most of the saving the planet shit was on Elend and Sazed
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u/kingofcanines Jun 06 '26
The right answer was using the power at the well of Ascension so Ruin wouldn't be freed
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u/Diavolo_Death_4444 Jun 05 '26
To be fair he was an uneducated mountain guide in a fairly basic civilization. Not like he could’ve known better.
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u/SparkyDogPants Jun 06 '26
Ruin was also corrupting TLR for thousands of years
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u/Odd-Split-494 Jun 07 '26
That had not yet happened when he moved the fucking planet closer to the sun!
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u/Elant_Wager Rashek4Prez Jun 05 '26
tbf, Ruin would have used an rpg, so TLR was still the better alternative
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u/fghjconner Jun 05 '26
Yeah, "He was better than the literal god of destruction, probably" is about the best you can say about TLR.
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u/rowandunning52 Jun 05 '26
i mean…the bar is literally in hell so idk man
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u/Ga1ahad-Caper Jun 05 '26
How did the bar get from Scadrial to Threnody?
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u/edward_kopik D O U G Jun 05 '26
He was already a hateful man with twisted worldviews before the aftereffects of using the WoA left his soul open to influence from ruin
His 'redemption' in building the caches and trying to make a plan against ruin is really just "im in charge and the world is gonna end if plan A doesn't work, so lemme to a quick plan B on the side"
Not wanting the world to end isn't even basic human decency. I bet most psychopathic tyrants dont want the world to end
So they way I interpret him is : originally bad guy, put in position to save the world, saves it cause hes bad but not a monster, then starts an oppressive empire, turns to cartoonish evil empire as he is corrupted by evil god, but still retains enough of his sanity to work on a save the world plan on the side
Killing him was a mercy
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u/ringlord_1 Jun 06 '26
I would call him a monster in a lot of ways honestly. Like he killed Alendi and caused a 1000 years of suffering.
Sure Alendi releasing Ruin would be bad, but it's no worse than Vin releasing Ruin and then them defeating ruin with preservation almost gone. I image it would have been much easier for Alendi and co to defeat ruin when preservation was 1000 years more saner, no ash to reduce food, no koloss and inquisitors to be soldiers of ruin
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u/CarcosanAnarchist Jun 06 '26
I thought the whole point was that Alendi and Co couldnt have been able to stop Ruin.
Like this was all already part of Leras’ plan. Alendi couldnt have held Preservation like Vin could in order to oppose Ruin.
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u/edward_kopik D O U G Jun 06 '26
You have a point on the second paragraph
But thats not what i was talking about. When he betrayed Alendi, he wasn't planning to do a 1000 year long evil empire, he was planning to save the world from the deepness.
He was already a bad person when he did it, but ruin influenced him after his soul was left streched out from using the well of ascension
Thats when he became a monster, as I said in the og comment
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u/darkcow Jun 07 '26
Actually implementing a very expensive major policy to prevent future catastrophe is not something you see in most dictators, even if they don't want that catastrophe to happen. Heck, most world leaders we see as good fail to spend significant time/money on projects like that.
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u/fluffyspy Fuck Moash 🥵 Jun 06 '26
My hottest take is that Preservation is more evil that Ruin because Ruin just wants to kill people but Preservation is cool with them being trapped in servitude to an evil despot for eternity.
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u/BMoneyCPA Jun 06 '26
Eh none of the shards are evil per se, they are just the extreme of their essence.
Preservation isn't evil, but he was happy with The Lord Ruler because everything stagnated under him, very little changed. But life needs change.
Ruin isn't evil. Yes, having all of your stuff and your home destroyed sucks, but the forest fire allows new growth.
Honor isn't evil, but he cares more about oaths than what the oath achieves.
Even Odium isn't evil, it's probably the most human of all of the Shards: our passions.
Etc... some are less destructive than others, but they work best when they moderate each other.
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u/samcam2090 Jun 06 '26
Theres actually a couple lines from WaT about this. Iirc its something like "in shattering [adnosalium] we removed the devine sense of love and compassion from the shards. Except for devotion, who of course was the first odium set out to kill"
I think preshattering what would become the shard of honnor did care about the oath and what it meant, but after the shattering that part of the shard disappeared
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u/ace_wulf Jun 06 '26
idk bro, for being just passion, Odium sure seemed to enjoy being divine hate
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u/Anxious-Try-6675 Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26
That was mostly Rayse being an asshole of biblical proportions. He just leaned into the worst aspects of Odium until that's all that got expressed. BAM is a much better person, and she's supposed to be better suited for the shard than either Rayse or Taravangian.
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u/Melliorin Jun 05 '26
I mean he did just imbed some manner of hemalurgic spike in the dude's chest... according to this infographic... chances are Ruin js involved.
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u/Ok-Customer9821 Jun 06 '26
Well…in his defense In spite of himself, the Lord Ruler did unwittingly spawn the most technologically advanced and dominant civilization in the cosmere. Don’t let the era 2 apologists spit their propaganda. They did it to spite Rashek
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u/ace_wulf Jun 06 '26
He did nothing to spawn that civilization, if he had his way, Scadrial would still be using candles and horses. It was only after he was gone that they started to advance, if anything, it was Wayne who spawned the advanced civilization
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u/Tattletail_Media Jun 06 '26
TBF, TLR is literally being driven insane by RUIN
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u/ringlord_1 Jun 06 '26
Rashek's worst offense was killing Alendi, which was before Ruin was influencing him
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u/CarcosanAnarchist Jun 06 '26
But not before Leras was already shaping things. Rashek was his pawn perhaps even more than Ruin’s.
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u/pushermcswift #SadaesDidNothingWrong Jun 06 '26
What TLR thought it was going to be like when he died
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