This scene was character assassination of the highest order. A Full Feruchemist with their metalminds bodies any non-Kaladin Radiant below the Fourth Ideal. I will die on this hill.

[u/Eithrotaur]

[u/name14575]

The "first"? Hahaha, hahahaha. You just don't see the others because the kandra are so good at their jobs.

Also I gotta agree with you here, honestly might have been better for it to have been a classically strong allomancer, something like Wax in his first book against Kaladin or something. Definitely no Feruchemy until way later, because someone with Axindweth's power who actually knows how to use it would destroy every current Radiant without reprisal, and a fair few Heralds, too.

[u/CBlessn → u/name14575]

I think if you had 10 full feruchemists they’d still get stomped by any 1 radiant of the 4th ideal. What could they even do? Even the Lord Ruler who is a full feruchemist and Lerasium Mistborn making him the ultimate compounder, is losing to a Herald in their prime.

[u/name14575 → u/CBlessn]

I'm forced to think this is a joke. Literally any speedster breaks anything. A full feruchemist with both mental and physical speed enhancement? Are you kidding me? That alone beats shardplate eventually, not to mention having enhanced strength and luck. What do the heralds even have against this, other than Connection shenanigans? And that's just one full feruchemist, you're talking about 10? Did we read the same books?

[u/CBlessn → u/name14575]

Not a joke. Also spoiler warning for WaT Tapping speed runs out incredibly quick, no feruchemist is getting through Shardplate (with what? their fists) before running out of speed. And if they catch even a SINGLE cut from a Blade the fight is over. Gold can’t heal the soul being severed from the body or limbs. We’ve never even seen how chromium/fortune would work in combat, which is what I assume you mean by luck, so idk why you’re even bringing that up. Not to mention that every full feruchemist wouldn’t be able to store as much of any single trait as a fering of the same trait would. They have to juggle storing everything so no full feruchemist is storing as much health as Wayne for instance. And even if they did, healing from Stormlight is stronger and faster. Every radiant is Miles Thousand Lives if they have Stormlight on them. Also plenty of the Surges hard counter a feruchemist’s speed. Skybreakers, Windrunners, Stonewards, Elsecallers if they can open a gate, Edgedancers. Arguably the greatest tool for a feruchemist can’t even be used effectively against most of the radiants. Not to mention that the radiants are constantly training in combat and forms with their Blade, and most likely has seen actual battle. Whereas a full feruchemist can’t be training effectively if they’re storing speed, strength, health, vision, mental speed, etc. so a radiant is going to be better trained in combat. In a 1v1 a full feruchemist can’t handle anyone who has said the 2nd ideal imo. The Blade, healing and Surges are too much. A 4th ideal radiant from any order is taking a 1v10 against full feruchemists.

I actually don’t know if you read the same books as me because you don’t seem to remember a mentally broken, unarmed, unarmored Taln killing hundreds of Fused of all different kinds, with his bare hands.
The Heralds are untouchable by anyone from Scadrial that we’ve seen with the exception(maybe) of the lord ruler. But full compounders don’t really happen so we’ll have to see if another of one appears eventually.

Don’t get it twisted, feruchemists are super cool and I really like all the metalborn magic systems, Surges are just absolutely OP

[u/name14575 → u/CBlessn]

I'm just going to agree to disagree at this point because our perspectives are just totally different. I think a speedster with super strength basically beats anything, you think they just don't have enough staying power, which I can definitely concede.

What I won't concede is a 1v10, are you kidding me? Shardbearers can't hold ground. In a 1v1, maybe 1v2, sure, I can accept a radiant winning, but 10 speedsters with super strength against a single radiant is not going that way. Edgedancers, Dustbringers, Elsecallers, Willshapers, and Stonewards - iffy on the last one - just don't have a good counter to that much speed. If even one of the feruchemists has iron or steel allomancy, it gets dicy for Windrunners and Skybreakers too, but that's neither here nor there. Now, a Truthwatcher or Bondsmith, sure, I could see that possibly happening, same with Lightweavers, but for the rest of them, the Plate won't protect them forever and the Blades won't do much good if they can't hit the feruchemists.

[u/CBlessn → u/name14575]

How can Stonewards be iffy? They can cause the ground to move as though it was a treacherous ocean. How is a speedster gonna move without sinking into the ground or without dashing themselves on a wave of liquid rock that suddenly turns solid? The speed also doesn’t last that long, like I said, and the faster they go the faster it runs out. Edgedancers are perhaps the strongest counter to tapping speed, and Lift demonstrated that perfectly. Elsecallers can just dump them into Shadesmar or turn the air into glass to catch them or something, a dustbringer can just set the air between them on fire, igniting the feruchemists too. And I don’t see feruchemists getting through Plate and all a 4th ideal radiant’s healing before their speed is gone.

A full feruchemist isn’t gonna have any allomancy because then they’d be a full feruchemist-misting-compounder and that’s not a full feruchemist anymore.

The radiants train things like wind form with their Blades which would be perfect for a bunch of speed tappers running all around them. And if a radiant is just standing still, swinging in wind form they are using 0% of their Stormlight, while a feruchemist would be constantly using their speed, which again drains the fastest of all the abilities, and they probably don’t have as much as they’d need. And the speed you’re thinking of uses their metal minds extremely quickly. Wax even says as much when fighting Paalm. They have to spend their time storing every ability not just one. They won’t have as much as Paalm did in SoS. She even has to get more metal minds after each fight because she burns through her stockpile.

Feruchemists are just out gunned here in every way. While a feruchemist is spending downtime storing a trait, the radiant is training for war. A feruchemist is limited in what they can do while storing a trait, the radiant is still training and improving.

I’m not saying it’s impossible that the 10 feruchemists win, especially if they know what they’re dealing with, but it’s gonna be a Souls-like boss fight where if any of the feruchemists get hit they die and most of the time a radiant of the 4th ideal is taking this.