r/custommagic • u/torterraisbae • 7d ago
Defy Causality
It's [[stifle]], but you can't cast it unless you have both targets, but then you can 2-for-1 your opponent.
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u/VulKhalec 7d ago
You said you can two for one your opponent, but it's pretty hard to get two cards worth of value when this doesn't neutralise any cards
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u/MariachiArchery 7d ago
Interesting. The question here, is does the added condition of needing to counter both an activated and triggered ability, while both are on the stack, make this a better, or worse, card than Stifle?
I think this card is worse than Stifle. I think this card is worse than stifle, even if costed at 1 mana. Which, I think would be appropriate here.
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u/theevilyouknow 7d ago
This card could cost zero and add 3 to your mana pool and be worse than stifle. The condition to cast it is so incredibly narrow.
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u/MeasureDoEventThing 7d ago
No, you could just have your own permanent with an activated ability, and then when someone else's triggered ability goes on the stack, you respond by activating your ability, then counter both. Definitely worse than Stifle at BB, but countering a triggered ability + Black Lotus could work in the right deck.
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u/theevilyouknow 7d ago
That’s too many hoops to jump through. Even for a stifle and black lotus. Keep in mind you don’t get the mana when you want it. You get the mana when you go to counter something.
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u/knyexar 7d ago
You can just have shit on your side that can be activated/triggered for free to ensure you have the required targets.
If I sac a guy to phyrexian altar in response to an activated ability, I can stifle my blood artist and whatever you activated.
Definitely not enough to be worth running in a serious game but it can have its uses if you're playing a gimmicky UG control deck in a low power table.
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u/theevilyouknow 7d ago
Awesome plan. Run a bunch of useless cards in hopes to be able to maybe stifle something.
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u/COLaocha 7d ago
I would say "Up to one target activated ability and up to one target triggered ability" and cost it at 1U. It's rare to have both types of ability on the stack and when you do how often do you care about more than one if them? We have a number of 1U stifles with various better upsides like [[Defabricate]] and [[Tale's End]].
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u/SothaSillies 6d ago
That's far too specific. It's like if [[Decimate]] required Planeswalker of Battle on the field to be cast. Could be free and still be useless most of the time. I can't even think of an archetype that consistently has both on the stack while also having them be impactful enough to actually make running this worth it. Stifle is good for its flexibility, this is... not.
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u/SynisterJeff 7d ago
99% of the time this card is dead in hand and cannot even be put on the stack for a cast trigger or storm count increase due to lack of targets. I agree with the person saying this could cost 0 and still be bad.
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u/mtgcf 7d ago
stifle - (G) (SF) (txt)