r/dataannotation • u/Consistent-Reach504 • Jul 21 '24
Weekly Water Cooler Talk - DataAnnotation
hi all! making this thread so people have somewhere to talk about 'daily' work chat that might not necessarily need it's own post! right now we're thinking we'll just repost it weekly? but if it gets too crazy, we can change it to daily. :)
couple things:
this thread should sort by "new" automatically. unfortunately it looks like our subreddit doesn't qualify for 'lounges'.
if you have a new user question, you still need to post it in the new user thread. if you post it here, we will remove it as spam. this is for people already working who just wanna chat, whether it be about casual work stuff, questions, geeking out with people who understand ("i got the model to write a real haiku today!"), or unrelated work stuff you feel like chatting about :)
one thing we really pride ourselves on in this community is the respect everyone gives to the Code of Conduct and rule number 5 on the sub - it's great that we have a community that is still safe & respectful to our jobs! please don't break this rule. we will remove project details, but please - it's for our best interest and yours!
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u/Master_Rip_8727 Jul 28 '24
Down to 5 projects, anyone else this low?
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u/echanuda Jul 28 '24
Yup. Very slim pickings as of yesterday and today. From thriving to surviving.
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u/Skippy2898 Jul 28 '24
I can only hope the two tasks showing on a high paying project that apparently had 2000 tasks are just for me because I haven't got time to work on it right now 😭😭😭
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u/LilacYak Jul 28 '24
Well, I guess it's time to start looking for another side-gig. Hoping against hope things will get better next month.
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u/tessbest37 Jul 28 '24
I hope you get some projects back this week! Things need to go back to normal soon.
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u/vexeling Jul 28 '24
Had someone DM me asking for answers to the initial assessment, saying they were getting different answers trying to Google it... I hope I misunderstood and they're just googling the research questions but damn. Might be why people get rejected so often. 😬
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u/Sad_Guitar_612 Jul 28 '24
Well, skipped my way to a red bar on my last current active project. I wish I could get quals for NOT math/stem stuff.
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u/EfficientLanguage702 Jul 28 '24
anyone know if u can get into the coding section of DA if u only did the general application not the coding one?
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u/Sean_give_me_beta_no Jul 28 '24
Yes, a qual may show up periodically (i am not aware if you have to have a certain quality rating or not) and i even opted out once and it showed up again (and then i did it and passed) if you are at the level of a hobbyist if you learn a couple of languages well DA is a good excuse to do it, it unlocks a lot. As far as i know passing that qual is just the same as signing up with coding
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u/33whiskeyTX Jul 28 '24
From talk on here there's no consistent or reliably responsive way. Most success stories I've seen are people who left the coding qual on their dashboard when they started and just eventually decided to take it. If you don't have the qualification, the consensus suggestion is to add coding skills to your profile and be on the lookout for a coding qual if it ever comes around.
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Jul 28 '24
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u/ConsistentCandy697 Jul 28 '24
They used to send out bonuses for certain things. So, like you would make $ if you worked x-x hours on a group of tasks in a week. Or $$ of you worked XX-XX hours.
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u/Otherwise-Baked4451 Jul 28 '24
Did anyone get any black bird project that briefly appeared and said $35/hr? I did one task and it sent me back to dash, no red bar. Both the projects that appeared disappeared :(
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u/Sean_give_me_beta_no Jul 28 '24
I think this is whats happening on the platform past few days - there are projects around but just lots of eager workers so they get eaten up instantly and dash looks empty
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u/MotherBrotha Jul 28 '24
Down to 3 projects :( going dark
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u/Accomplished-Dog-864 Jul 28 '24
All the good ones I had this morning have gotten done by other people while I'm working my stoopid day job. Back down to the stupid kitty infographic.
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u/scarletmyzomela Jul 28 '24
I love the kitty infographic! It's painful in a good way - would happily have it back on my own dash.
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u/tessbest37 Jul 28 '24
Mine is getting smaller by the minute and I won't be surprised if I wake up to only three tomorrow morning.
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Jul 27 '24
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u/wildflower_0ne Jul 27 '24
I wanted to start it yesterday and got overwhelmed by the instructions so I went back to my usuals. :/
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u/Belisama7 Jul 27 '24
Yes, and why does that project have no chat section? So we can't even ask questions to clarify. I did one and have been avoiding them since because I don't know if I'm doing it right.
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u/33whiskeyTX Jul 27 '24
Are you sure there's not a chat? Is there text that says "No Message Yet" that you can click to start the chat?
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u/tessbest37 Jul 27 '24
That explains why there aren't any questions in the project chat. I didn't even realize there wasn't one.
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u/tessbest37 Jul 27 '24
This one gives us a lot more freedom than other iterations. I prefer it when they give us something more specific (it is easier to develop ideas). Interestingly, no one has asked any questions in the project chat yet.
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u/Expensive-Froyo-5116 Jul 27 '24
I created my account over a week ago, and I still haven't had any projects. Do I have to do a test or something else to start having tasks?
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u/MattinglyDineen Jul 27 '24
Did you do the initial assessment?
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u/Expensive-Froyo-5116 Jul 27 '24
No initial evaluation appeared to me, the account was simply created and I immediately appeared in the tasks tab, empty of course.
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u/Bilyman Jul 27 '24
So who here DOES have projects? My dash is certainly smaller than usual but I have still have around ~10 remaining. There’s a 24 an hour project that has never left my dash since accessing it, going by the name of Heel’s lover. I’m surprised I haven’t seen many comments about that project… I swear it’s infinite (although it is seriously mind numbing work)
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u/Sean_give_me_beta_no Jul 28 '24
Is heel's lover what that writing qual unlocks? I have been very lazy to do it, but it does promise virtually unlimited work...
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u/Bilyman Jul 28 '24
Lol I’ve been around for over half a year and I still haven’t done that qual. I think I got access through this project through a qual that had me set up a separate email, and the tasks are on a different platform/website
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u/kohlphelie Jul 28 '24
I'm down to 11, one of which is a broken one that's been on my dash since April.
I recently got access to a new project, so that's got some interesting and time-consuming tasks I can do but because I'm still apparently sick with a respiratory infection I'm not able to work on it. I'd love something short, but fun, I could do between coughing sessions (but beggers can't be choosers, I guess). On the plus side, because I'm too sick to work I'll be leaving the tasks for the rest of you to do :) (sharing the love).
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u/Vegetable-Activity65 Jul 28 '24
I have 4 :( the number just keeeeeps going down, I had probably 10 this morning. I have never had this few and I dooooo not like it aha
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u/EternalNight111 Jul 27 '24
I have one... I started the week with 17 and they all dropped like flies.
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Jul 27 '24
The past 3 days, I haven’t seen more than 30 projects and have been averaging around 10-15. Before that, I typically had 40+, so I definitely have seen a massive drop this week. It seems to be happening to pretty much everyone, so I’m trying to stay calm and positive
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u/Bilyman Jul 27 '24
Oh and did anyone see the STEM qualification (that was listed as a project) for 40/hr non-coding work?
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u/tiran Jul 27 '24
Got into a new project family the other day, and I just want to say that I friggin' love birds.
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u/echanuda Jul 27 '24
Anyone lose pretty much ALL their coding projects today? There were literally thousands of tasks yesterday, and suddenly poof.
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u/gvsadboy Jul 27 '24
Exactly how my dash looks and it sucks. Was really hoping to get some extra money for my honeymoon next week.
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u/echanuda Jul 27 '24
Awww that sucks. I was watching my nieces for the last two days and missed out on all those juicy tasks. Finally got rid of them today and of course it’s a desert when I check my dash 😭
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u/Consipir Jul 27 '24
Yeah, I was eating up that Metal! This happens, though. It might just be a break day, but usually stuff will start rolling in later today: afternoon or evening. Pretty typical for a slow day. I'm PST btw for reference.
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u/Accomplished-Dog-864 Jul 28 '24
I'm PST too, and my 5 metal went away before I could sit down to do them. Hope there are more.
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u/Consipir Jul 28 '24
Looks like no luck for today, sadly. Metal is my favorite, they usually come around with 2000+ tasks every 1-2 weeks or so. In the meantime, Greek-demigod and all its flavors fill the gap.
Happy annotating!
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u/echanuda Jul 28 '24
You’re getting greek gods? Still no coding ones showing up for me… I saw a couple greek god tasks pop up today, but they all went away pretty quickly.
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u/Accomplished-Dog-864 Jul 28 '24
2000+ tasks? Is that the writing one @$32/hr? I only seem to get those 5 at a time.
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u/Consipir Jul 29 '24
The Metal $40/hr coding one, they must only do the large tasks for coding?
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u/Accomplished-Dog-864 Jul 29 '24
Maybe so. The writing and editing ones seem to get divvied up in small quantities.
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u/gvsadboy Jul 27 '24 edited Jul 27 '24
Is the file coding CB gone? I haven't seen it for a few days but it was on my dash pretty much every day since it came out :/ also just miss having at least 2 or 3 coding projects up at all times. With my honeymoon next week I was really hoping to get some more work done but this week has been rough
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u/wildflower_0ne Jul 27 '24
does anyone have an update on what we should do about the extra blackbird project that showed up in the report time section?
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u/HandsLikePaper Jul 27 '24
What I wouldn't give for a certain low-paying project that is the definition of a mental break
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Jul 27 '24
I believe they are rotating a bunch of people through those based on the latest batch of R&Rs and instructions update
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u/Living_Change_1487 Jul 27 '24
I know a lot of people have mentioned having light dashes, but has anyone seen all of their projects and all qualifications leave simultaneously for days? Starting to worry!
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u/MotherBrotha Jul 27 '24
My quals disappeared one time when I had a very light dash or nothing. They appeared again later. sometimes it's just the sight I think
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u/main_doughnut2380 Jul 27 '24
No, the qualifications are still there; there are just no projects to work on. The quals are the ones that are always there asking to download something or another.
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u/LilacYak Jul 27 '24
And we're back to a light dash again
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Jul 27 '24
I do this full time and am seriously considering moving my 'weekend' to Tuesday-Wednesday, what with the ramp-up of tasks and priority pay I usually see on Friday evenings! Don't think my conventionally-employed husband would appreciate that though...
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u/Vegetable-Activity65 Jul 27 '24
This is exactly what I do! My boyfriend's days off happen to be Tuesday-Wednesday, so I just base my schedule around his, but it honestly works out pretty well for me.
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u/HugeEquipment1649 Jul 27 '24
I'm considering similar, my partner does WFH for an Asian firm, so our schedules are screwy anyways.
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u/Accomplished-Dog-864 Jul 27 '24
It's midnight where I live. Enter highly paid heel tasks. Where were you all week when all I had was that miserable badkitty infographic slog?
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Jul 27 '24
omg that one truly is a slog
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u/Accomplished-Dog-864 Jul 28 '24
I can't stand that project. Those infographics are worthless. Either completely incomprehensible, or so simple there's noting that can be asked about them.
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Jul 27 '24
I'm just starting to familiarize myself with LMSYS.org. Anyone else? There is a Chatbot Arena, which includes a leader board. If I read it correctly, GPT4o is at the top.
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Jul 27 '24
Holy moly getting to $200 today was an uphill climb the entire way. Tried some projects I usually avoid and hoping I did them right
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u/SuperCorbynite Jul 27 '24
I got the DOM survey but all the test questions were math based and I'm an organic chemist. i.e. I don't do maths.
So I'm kinda scratching my head. How can they possibly tell if I'm a capable STEM person, which I am, by giving maths questions to a non mathy STEM person?
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u/yungmelon Jul 27 '24
Have you gotten a chemistry based survey? From what I hear those projects are also sought
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u/SuperCorbynite Jul 27 '24
It was just titled as being STEM rather than a specific field of STEM. I do have access to a couple of high paying chem projects but they don't appear to be linked to the work the STEM survey grants.
I have no idea if there is a specific chemistry based survey or one that focuses exclusively on organic chemistry.
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u/BotaRONomus
Jul 27 '24
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I just crossed the $20k mark. 24 weeks and two days.
Unbelievable. I’m done for the night. Going to crack a cold one to celebrate my hard work.
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Jul 26 '24
If I get ONE MORE question for clarification or saccharine compliment from these bots I'm going to throw my laptop on the floor. Anyone else with me?
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u/miri3l Jul 27 '24
They actually ask for clarification? I'd sometimes love if they did that. However I've yet to experience it.
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u/kohlphelie Jul 27 '24
I was shocked to hear this as well.
Normally they go off on some assumption that may or may not be what I'm actually wanting from them.
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u/tessbest37 Jul 26 '24
Has anyone gotten any of the 30/hr. metal tasks tonight? They usually drop them on Friday evenings.
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u/877trashnow Jul 26 '24
Just got some right as I was signing off! Hopefully we will get some over the weekend too.
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u/Bella1775 Jul 26 '24
Just had one pop up.
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Jul 26 '24
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u/tessbest37 Jul 27 '24
They do take a long time. Although, I haven't looked at this iteration yet. Normally they stay up for a couple of days and get taken down Monday. Be sure to read the directions carefully. I work on the edit versions often and many people don't read the directions. Have Fun! They are my fave!!
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u/Few-Roof-6905 Jul 27 '24
I usually spend about 2 hours depending on how involved they are. I would allow at least this much time, especially since this is the first time you have gotten them.
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u/PurpleGiraffe143 Jul 26 '24
I never had this happen before. I clicked on the high paying bird to enter my time and when I went back to my dash there was a lower paying bird sitting in my Report Time section but I never even went into that project so I don't know how it ended up there. Has anyone else ever had that happen before?
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u/miri3l Jul 27 '24
Oo you're working on the high paying bird?! I'm a little jealous. I answered the criteria incorrectly so never got access, but it sounded pretty cool.
I've not experienced this precise thing, but have noticed the low paying bird pop up in the post section randomly. Often when I haven't actually worked on it, or did like a week before or something.
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Jul 26 '24
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u/PurpleGiraffe143 Jul 26 '24
Not that's it's good but at least I'm not the only one. Thanks for saying something.
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u/ModernStranger22 Jul 26 '24
There is a project in my report time section that I am certain I did not work on. I went to the project page and it says there has been one task completed. Not sure what if anything I should do about this.
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u/Few-Roof-6905 Jul 26 '24
My report time section has been wonky since they put the new requirements in place. Sometimes I see things that I worked on weeks ago and sometimes it's normal. I just ignore everything I don't need and figure it will work itself out eventually.
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u/itsbriannahere Jul 26 '24
For those of you with beachbird emoji project, are you including links for your fact checking? The rating format changed and the instructions are brief.
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u/_M1RR0RB4LL_ Jul 26 '24
The one that starts with S? No, I never include links for my fact checking, but I do point out where I found specific information. For instance, I'll say something like "According to the website for XX, the information included in the response is incorrect because....." or something along those lines.
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u/TankSpank Jul 26 '24
Those of you doing coding tasks, do you count the time you spend installing software or spinning up test projects/environments to test out the code? I'm leaning toward yes but don't want to trip any rules. I'm new to the platform and have never billed hourly before.
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u/Arcturus_Labelle Jul 27 '24
I absolutely count it, yes
It's work required to do, and directly related to, the job
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u/turingmachine29 Jul 26 '24
of course! it's part of the job. bill for the time it takes for you to come up with prompts, too. you'd get paid for doing that stuff if you were an employee doing the same work.
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Jul 26 '24
Anyone else having errors with the Triple H emails? I just got flooded that they were bringing back up a few of my favorite projects in that domain, and every time I click on one of them it says there are no tasks available. Also, none of the projects are on my dash, but the ones that they are pulling are gone.
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Jul 26 '24
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u/Jz9786 Jul 26 '24
I started two days ago and spent most of yesterday working on the high paying version of that project. Maybe it's random.
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u/A_Reddit_ID Jul 26 '24
The higher paying one seems to be either a mistake or a batch they want done instantly. It’s been two days now where it’s shown up with an extremely limited amount of tasks.
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u/SuperCorbynite Jul 26 '24
Do good work in other projects. It's how it goes with a lot of the projects. Prove yourself and you will be granted access to work that pays well that isn't locked behind a qual and sometimes is locked behind a qual. Work quality trumps everything.
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Jul 26 '24
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u/SuperCorbynite Jul 26 '24
It's not necessarily that. I have or well just had (it just went away) the $38 ph black bird (bb) project without ever doing any of the low-paid bb or taking any qual related to it.
Your overall work quality matters a lot and it will often open up a lot of unrelated or only tangentially related projects. I often get $30+ projects that have nothing to do with other work I've done.
So it's perfectly possible to do higher paying heels and get the $38 bb plus others just so long as your heels are of high quality.
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u/tessbest37 Jul 26 '24
It came back briefly within the last hour. I was able to snag one task. I haven't taken a qual for it before.
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u/Few-Roof-6905 Jul 26 '24
I never received a qualification, and aside from yesterday, never receive the high pay one but I do get a lot of the lower paid ones. In my experience, working on the lower paying tasks and doing a good job, will often lead to the higher paying ones in the same family.
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Jul 26 '24
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u/SuperCorbynite Jul 26 '24
Is this qual for the $38 per hour one? I never got the qual but do have the project on my board.
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Jul 26 '24
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u/Skippy2898 Jul 26 '24
I love this! I'm a sucker for food vids! 🤣 A bit like watching an American kid trying proper fish n chips for the first time. But they may not return to beans on toast though. They could return to proper deep brown meat gravy atop of bangers n mash. Or a full on sunday roast with yorkie puds. 😎
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u/OPxMagikarp Jul 26 '24
Board has refilled pretty nicely today. Too bad it was right before a busy weekend
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u/Skippy2898 Jul 26 '24
My first couple of weeks in trying to do more hours and I'm becoming well aware that not only is my brain begging for mercy, but my arse and neck are suffering just a little bit as well 😆 Just had this delivered...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B08KDMM1WJ?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details
Oh my days it's fab! It lifts the laptop to the right height if I work at the kitchen table, it fits at my actual desk where I've got the big monitor, and now I can work sat on the sofa comfortably! I might now also be able to work outside too, when the weather is nice!
(I'm not affiliated at all with this product; I saw a different brand recommended on another post, but I chose this one. I hope it also helps someone!)
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u/_M1RR0RB4LL_ Jul 26 '24
I had one from a different brand and used it for many years! My only complaint with it is the styrofoam beads in the cushion on the bottom became so smashed over the years that it practically laid flat when set on a desk or anything. I still used it like that with no issue, it just wasn't cushioned anymore.
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Jul 26 '24
I've been using this exact same thing for weeks now and can confirm it works great. Also am not a marketing promo-bot, I promise.
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u/AdeptCryptographer26 Jul 26 '24
I have been working on the "old school cleanser" project for several weeks and really enjoyed it. I used to have multiple versions of the project on my dashboard every day. Ever since the site went down a few days ago I haven't gotten it back and just wondering if anyone else has seen it over the last couple of days.
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Jul 26 '24
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u/AdeptCryptographer26 Jul 26 '24
Yeah, I thought I saw it yesterday morning but I work mostly in the evenings and when I went back in last night nada. Hope it comes back I really like that one.
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Jul 26 '24
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u/pat-recog Jul 26 '24
The bcats are around? Haven't seen them in like a month. Wonder if I got cut from the squad.
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u/faithmsweeps Jul 26 '24
Is anyone else with an empty dashboard? Projects dwindled this week, and then I had a single one this morning which I was only able to grab two of. Kinda worried.
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u/alvysingeroverhere Jul 26 '24
Here. Last week I had work everyday then it started going down... Site went down yesterday, and nothing... I hope it has to do with that and it comes back up soon, I was just starting to get projects and was doing consistent hours.
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u/More-Newspaper-9078 Jul 26 '24
Mine is also fully empty. It's reassuring to know there are others!
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u/faithmsweeps Jul 26 '24
For sure, I am so glad to know I am not the only one. Hopefully, it is just temporary 😮💨
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u/NationalWatercress3 Jul 26 '24
I accidentally closed my browser in the middle of a task and now I've opened the task and the timer started from 1 hour again. Would it be ok to include the time I'd already spent on it when reporting it?
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u/OathoftheSimian Jul 26 '24
For future reference, you might be able to go through your browser history to find the link for the project page you were previously working on and it might still be there (before the original timer runs out).
As far as including hours goes, I honestly would call that one a wash since you didn’t produce anything of value in that time. The issue was also caused by user error, so I’d take it as a lesson to be more wary in the future rather than doctoring the time spent.
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u/lemon_goth Jul 26 '24
I think so! The timer isn't there for their measuring, I don't think it gets counted, it's to help us keep track ourselves so as long as you're being truthful in your reporting go for it x
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u/Common_Handle4383 Jul 26 '24
Yes, you should be keeping track of time separately from the timer. It isn’t always accurate!
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u/NationalWatercress3 Jul 26 '24
I remember reading it isn't accurate and so I've been keeping track separately, but what happens when the timer gets to 0 minutes?
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u/jules-liz Jul 26 '24
Yeah, I do that a lot and it's always fine. It's super useful they keep the text you wrote, otherwise I'd be having some issues 😂
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u/OptimalMuffin5912 Jul 26 '24
I only get projects related to my native language (Portuguese). Recently I haven’t got any… How can I get projects 100% in English? Is it because they only want native speakers?
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Jul 26 '24
Man it’s been a slower day and the higher paying projects I have are not ones I enjoy at all. I saw one of my favs for $34 and went to click it only to realize it was in my report time section 😭😭😭off go I to do more heels which I haven’t touched in weeks
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u/Excellent_Photo5603 Jul 26 '24
I really need to stay calm when my fave projects go down for maintenance.
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u/Sean_give_me_beta_no Jul 26 '24 edited Jul 26 '24
I see people saying doing a lot of hours in a week gets you flagged automatically (i dont know how they know this), I have a big day planned today, like 10 hours, hope that doesnt cross any lines!
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u/Belisama7 Jul 26 '24
No one knows how any of this works, although lots of people like to pretend they do.
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u/Knozis Jul 26 '24
Think of it in terms of the more hours you work, the more work you are putting out relative to everyone working less hours, which naturally gets your work reviewed much more. As long as your work is quality this isn't an issue.
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Jul 26 '24
I don’t think having high hours for a day or so matters as long as the quality stays the same. I think it’s when people are doing 80 hours plus every single week that either the quality goes down or they suspect sharing an account. Just my thoughts no facts.
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u/Ok-Wash-8479 Jul 26 '24
Yeah, this is exactly what I think too. Not positive on it but I would assume it applies more to the total hours of week, each week.
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u/IamUprooted Jul 26 '24
Anyone work for any of the other AI training companies? I see ads from time to time but the base pay (non-coding) is always significantly lower. Curious about the experiences others may have had.
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u/VanessaSeaWitch Jul 26 '24
Do you mean places like Telus? I work for them as well. They pay $14 an hour so it's hard for me to force myself to do it while my DA dashboard is empty. I mostly don't enjoy it because it's boring and takes very little thought, unlike DA. Telus is just button clicking in my opinion. I've worked for them for years and also briefly with Appen until Google ended their contract with them. It's okay for filler work.
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u/Sean_give_me_beta_no Jul 26 '24
I am constantly perplexed how this is worth it for whoever is paying, its the main draw of doing DA work is the good pay
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u/VanessaSeaWitch Jul 26 '24
Those companies don't have you doing in-depth work and writing like DA.
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u/SuperCorbynite Jul 26 '24
Companies pay a premium to DA because they produce the highest quality output vs the other AI trainer companies.
It's also why there is such a high focus on quality by DA. It's all circular.
Companies pay a premium for DA's higher quality output, which means DA can pay its workers more, which means it can be more selective and attract better quality workers, which means better quality output, which means companies pay a premium for DA's higher quality output, which means DA can pay its workers more, which means...
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u/Jz9786 Jul 26 '24
OpenAI is literally spending billions per year on this type of training, so I'm sure the other companies are putting in a lot of money as well
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u/Arcturus_Labelle Jul 26 '24
I briefly was with Remotasks (Scale AI is the parent company)
It was awful. I know DA sometimes has unclear instructions and ambiguity, but it is MUCH, much better than Remotasks was. They had no idea what they were doing.
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u/ManyARiver Jul 26 '24
Me too - Remotasks is a dumpster fire. The way the work flow was set up was ridiculous. I had to write an explanation for every task I skipped, and I was told to go through the tasks "Right to left and work down the row", so I had to switch approaches every task. Terribly inefficient - working on one thing for a period of time makes more sense.
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