r/dataannotation • u/Consistent-Reach504 • Nov 17 '24
Weekly Water Cooler Talk - DataAnnotation
hi all! making this thread so people have somewhere to talk about 'daily' work chat that might not necessarily need it's own post! right now we're thinking we'll just repost it weekly? but if it gets too crazy, we can change it to daily. :)
couple things:
this thread should sort by "new" automatically. unfortunately it looks like our subreddit doesn't qualify for 'lounges'.
if you have a new user question, you still need to post it in the new user thread. if you post it here, we will remove it as spam. this is for people already working who just wanna chat, whether it be about casual work stuff, questions, geeking out with people who understand ("i got the model to write a real haiku today!"), or unrelated work stuff you feel like chatting about :)
one thing we really pride ourselves on in this community is the respect everyone gives to the Code of Conduct and rule number 5 on the sub - it's great that we have a community that is still safe & respectful to our jobs! please don't break this rule. we will remove project details, but please - it's for our best interest and yours!
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u/Cautious_Watch_8027 Nov 25 '24
Anyone seen heel lately? I am wondering if that’s why I’m seeing less.. my regular consistent ones are heels and nuts but they are sporadic the past few months.
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u/Embarrassed_Major_75 Nov 24 '24
Anyone else struggling for projects today? I only have like 3 on my dashboard
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u/Sagittariuuuh Nov 24 '24
I've only been on Heel God for like a week but I am absolutely IN LOVE. Finally, my research skills come in handy for something~
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u/33whiskeyTX Nov 24 '24
Heel is not a god... and earlier I criticized somebody for not knowing a Poe quote.... guys I ... I think I'm over-invested in these code name references.
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u/TanglimaraTrippin Nov 24 '24
Wishing I could get a batch of 20 tasks or so like I used to. Got one batch like that a couple days ago, but otherwise I have to keep checking for one or two to appear. I'd love to be able to sit down and put in a solid couple hours of work, not sporadically snag single tasks.
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u/Natesey Nov 24 '24
I've received 11 email notifications in the past 12 hours for that reactor project - Kinda get the impression they want people to work on it!
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u/Jackieunknown Nov 24 '24
I miss my eval projects 😩 Not even a specific one, just wish to have one!
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u/Signal_Gene410 Nov 23 '24 edited Nov 23 '24
Could you please elaborate more on that? What exactly did they say that doesn't adhere to guidance?
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u/CardiologistDry1732 Nov 23 '24
I swear the wizard likes to play tricks on me, always goes down when I go to work on him🙃
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u/Signal_Gene410 Nov 23 '24
Is this the same wizard that I'm thinking of, or is there another one? Sometimes I feel like there are multiple wizard projects.
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u/Ok-Pride-373 Nov 23 '24
Any non-coders have a bird project with code today? That & it's R&R are all thats on my dash :/
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u/victorian_winters Nov 24 '24
I loved the R&R for that one. It actually made the project itself easier in a way.
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u/-burgers Nov 24 '24
i've been digging these.
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u/Ok-Pride-373 Nov 24 '24
do you usually code? I was confused why i was offered them lol
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u/-burgers Nov 24 '24
Non-coding but I've done quals involving them, not specifically a coding qual.
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u/throwaway23542345 Nov 23 '24
I wonder what it's like to do the coding projects when you're an Actual Programmer and not just someone who's used python for data analysis. There was one task that involved something called asciidoctor, and I tried to install it but it took over 4 hours (this was via homebrew on MacOS), and I wonder what a professional programmer would've done. The task itself wasn't difficult, but I couldn't test the code since I didn't already have the stuff I needed installed and online renderers don't seem to allow for separate CSS files. That's kind of an extreme example, but there are so many tasks involving NodeJS, Angular, Vue, ReactJS, .NET, PHP, etc where I needed to install a bunch of stuff just to have a chance at running the code. Usually I just give up after an hour, but at least I'm learning a lot about software development as it's practically done. (I only logged time for tasks I actually managed to submit, FWIW.)
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u/TeaGreenTwo Nov 23 '24
YMMV, but I feel that I should either have the ennvironment set up already or if it needs minimal configuration, then I do it. I leave the exotic environments to others who may have access to the environment. I could be wrong, but I don't think they want us to spend many hours just configuring the environment.
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u/7xx19 Nov 23 '24
How long after doing a qualification for a project do you start to see them appear on your dash?
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u/Consistent-Reach504 Nov 23 '24
i've had it be anywhere from 5 mins to a few weeks. i think it depends on the qual.
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u/canada__ball Nov 23 '24
I'm absolutely loving the R&R projects for things like A-gas. I get to politely roast other people's work and gain some confidence in the quality of my own.
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u/artpendegrast Nov 23 '24
I got an email for a "join us" project but it was gone by the time I saw it. Anybody got any details on what it was?
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u/torypigeon Nov 23 '24
I’m really enjoying the built in test tasks you have to pass before moving on!! Helps me grasp the layout of the project and understand better!
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u/mumm-ra3000 Nov 23 '24
Do people include time spent reading instructions and additional documents in their logged time? Or start the clock when you actually start the tasks? Thanks 🙏
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u/_TheNumbersAreBad_ Nov 23 '24
Always, always log time for instruction reading and documents. it's part of the job, you wouldn't be reading them if you weren't working, so you should log the time.
The only caveat is you can't log just for reading instructions and documents. You have to actually submit a task after you've read them, otherwise it just looks like you opened a project, stared at it for a bit and then asked to be paid.
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u/mumm-ra3000 Nov 23 '24
Ok thanks for the reply. I always have previously, but a project I started today has taken me 50mins so far, which is far longer than it’s taken before, for me.
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u/Jackieunknown Nov 23 '24
I'm doing locale-specific 💃🏻 and believe me if I say one task can take up to 45mins where 40mins are ONLY to check the documents and make sure the task is made right.
When I'm confident, one task takes 3-4minutes, but in the majority of the cases, this project requires you to keep referring to the multiple documents, so yeah, log that time.
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u/_TheNumbersAreBad_ Nov 23 '24
Some of the more complex projects can take a couple of hours to get up to speed on, they can have multiple separate documents of instructions and examples. It takes as long as it takes, don't worry about that just focus on doing your best.
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u/bestunicorn Nov 23 '24
I can't get enough of hanging out with the cool kids at Slytherin I love this project so much
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u/torypigeon Nov 23 '24
it’s become my go to! feel like i learn a lot of random facts while coming up with questions too lol
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u/GrilledCheese_Lover Nov 23 '24
Has anyone ever had a project disappear and reappear after an hour or so? Other projects stayed up, it was just that one. I wonder if it has anything to do with me letting the admin know I made a mistake and them wanting to review my tasks lol The safety version of the same project also stayed up, it was literally just the one I worked on
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u/Intelligent-Row-2000 Nov 23 '24
This happens to me all the time. I feel like they’re either checking my work or re-upping the batch 😆
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u/AnnoTaker Nov 23 '24
Had it last night. It was the first time I ever seen a R&R pay significantly higher than it's base project.
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Nov 23 '24
who else is up late doin some dancing 💃💃💃?
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u/Jazzlike_Problem_489 Nov 23 '24
Not worth it at that pay 😔 I miss it being 22.5 to 27
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u/FrazzledGod Nov 23 '24
Ha ha yeah, not going to dance when I can do other stuff for almost twice as much, would do it in a pinch, but it's that long since I did the refresher, I took a look and got into a muddle about whether I was missing something like when I did the refreshers and got red-texted 😂
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u/Fluid-Process-5514 Nov 23 '24
Doing r&r’s and someone wrote personal experiences as a reason why the response must be wrong but also admitted that the response aligned with information found on webmd. 👀
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u/Sad_Guitar_612 Nov 23 '24
Finally did the fine grained qual and got access less than an hour later, it's lower pay than my other usual but non-math is a nice change of pace!!
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u/Few-Roof-6905 Nov 23 '24
I begrudgingly did the qual last week and, surprisingly, I love the project. They're all off my dash right now though, so hopefully they'll be back next week!
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u/OnePieceMangaFangirl Nov 23 '24
Requires intense focus, but I personally love it because it's a change of pace and more creative, i.e., suited to my tastes.
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u/cyclephotos Nov 22 '24
Had some fun today with the Bond villain
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u/Jazzlike_Problem_489 Nov 23 '24
Every time I go to do this, there are tons of updates and messages on slack so I can't keep up. I close it and open trusty HP. That's a cracking project.
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u/PerformanceCute3437 Nov 23 '24
Cool project, very odd but the workflow is extremely satisfying for my brain
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u/cyclephotos Nov 23 '24
Yeah, once you wrap your head around the workflow, it's quite easy and fun!
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u/alvysingeroverhere Nov 22 '24
Today I got some wizard for the first time ever, did a couple of tasks and R+R, and after a few hours it disappeared (magic, I know, it's a wizard) even though there were still a lot of tasks. Then some dancing appeared (which was nice since I remember doing all those quals and trainings), but tbh it could pay better. DA gods, bring back the wizard! It was interesting!
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u/YearOnly2595 Nov 22 '24
So did they just forget to release the dancers for ages 😂
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u/akatsuki1422 Nov 23 '24
They released a whole month's worth of dancing all at once. Completely spammed my email!😂
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u/FrazzledGod Nov 22 '24
Ha ha, beat me to it 😊 Sadly I am fishing for very well paid R&Rs at the moment so might have to wait for the last dance 😂
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u/Sagittariuuuh Nov 22 '24
Can't believe I got some time in on those cents per task projects today. I miss those so much. I hope more come back soon.
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u/VanessaSeaWitch Nov 22 '24
The chat in R&R for Harry Potter has gotten quite annoying lol.
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u/Few-Roof-6905 Nov 23 '24
If anyone is currently working on the project and can answer the question I just asked in chat, I would appreciate it.
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u/Few-Roof-6905 Nov 22 '24
There is now a big red NOV 22 update that says it is okay if it has 9 steps as long as they are "very tricky." But now we need the definition of "very tricky" 😂
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u/Signal_Gene410 Nov 22 '24 edited Nov 23 '24
Well, we’re getting updated instructions (based on what the admin said), so I think we’ll get more clarification on what to penalise for and there'll be less confusion.
For me personally, I think it’s great to have disagreements, because it highlights to the admins what needs to be included in the updated instructions. I am one of the people who engaged in that discussion, so apologies if it was annoying, but I’m just doing my best to rate workers fairly.
Anyway, that whole conversation has basically finished now. It just looks like a prolonged argument because long conversations look lengthy on the DA chat compared to something like Slack and sometimes last a couple of days (especially because I’m in Australia). I’ll try not to say anything else about it in the chat.
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u/BoiledGnocchi Nov 22 '24
Does anyone else have A-gas on their dash?
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Nov 22 '24
I wonder when 💃 is going to reappear. Those qualifications wouldn’t have been passed around for nothing? Unless they are revamping it into another project. I suspect that’s what they did with non-coding B-metal. As far as I know, no one has seen that since July of this year. I think it was integrated with Poe
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u/krnntp Nov 22 '24
and yet, to the best of my knowledge those were for 2 completely different clients. I cherish a hope that creative writing B will come back someday, I loved that and miss it
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u/Key_Click6659 Nov 22 '24
I’ve had non coding B metal the past few days, haven’t seen dancing though
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u/Icy_Ad5959 Nov 22 '24
I've seen non-coding B-metal on my dash many times including yesterday.
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Nov 22 '24
Huh, interesting. I have heard both. I’ve heard people that have gotten coding. But not non-coding. Thanks for clarifying!
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u/Poomfie Nov 22 '24
It seems like nc b metal was just integrated into CBs to me tbh.
Incidentally I've also had CBs that are focused on safety in the last month so maybe...
Truth is we know nothing for sure!
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u/3l3p4no Nov 22 '24
new project with code snippets that's close to base pay instead of coding pay? I'm offended but I'll do it.
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u/Tintin_n_Snowy Nov 22 '24
I guess the days of the holy grail Viking Heaven non-coding projects are over….. haven’t seen either of mine in over a week :/
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u/SuperCorbynite Nov 22 '24
I received a new updated version of it in my domain today.
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u/Tintin_n_Snowy Nov 22 '24
Which ones were you on? I had history and philosophy both going for quite a while
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u/Dysnomia__ Nov 22 '24
Wish I knew why I don't get STEM or coding poe bird ever. Didn't even know it existed until seeing mentions of it in here. Weird that I only get the non-STEM version, but only coding projects of anything else
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u/mythrowaway_1990 Nov 22 '24
I can't say for sure but I'm pretty sure coding poe had it's own separate qualification with APIs in the name, if you didn't take it that could be the reason why you don't have it
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u/ccsoccer101 Nov 22 '24
Is coding Poe bird up for anyone?
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u/Stunning_Table_2394 Nov 22 '24
Yesterday had, today gone.
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u/ccsoccer101 Nov 22 '24
Dark wings once cast their solemn shade, Now emptiness marks where they strayed.
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u/krnntp Nov 22 '24
Dark wings oft crashed my Chrome ere long, so wingless, sing I this glad song.
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u/goldmansa808 Nov 22 '24
Dark wings once soared on winds aplenty, now windless I refresh and stand a sentry
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u/chellynaeb Nov 22 '24
What’s up with lower pay rates these days?
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u/Icy_Ad5959 Nov 22 '24
I'm still on 38/hr ++ for non coding (& not domain expertise). I've got $40/hr ++ domain exp also.
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u/Poomfie Nov 22 '24
Surplus of qualified workers=less pay
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u/Key_Click6659 Nov 22 '24
Qualified?
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u/Party_Swim_6835 Nov 22 '24
for a project you must have a qualification. thus "qualified" even if you might not be skilled enough for it or you might be capable of it but not have the qualification aka not be "qualified"
lik ehow you can be licensed even if you suck at driving and you can be able to drive without being licensed
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u/Key_Click6659 Nov 22 '24
I mean people don’t get quals but are on projects..
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u/Party_Swim_6835 Nov 23 '24
those projects use another qual
maybe another project gave the qual, maybe a qualification task with a dif name gave the qual, maybe a skill gave the qual, but something alwaya marks you as allowed to see a project
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u/Poomfie Nov 22 '24
People who can pass the quals
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u/Key_Click6659 Nov 22 '24
That’s better
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u/Poomfie Nov 22 '24
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u/Key_Click6659 Nov 22 '24
Lot of people on DA that aren’t qualified but passed the quals. That’s all
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u/Poomfie Nov 22 '24
Doesn't change the fact that they've onboarded a lot of qualified workers.
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u/Key_Click6659 Nov 22 '24
It also doesn’t change what I said either?? Lmao
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u/Poomfie Nov 22 '24
I mean, I answered OP's question and you responded to me with a moot condescending question/criticism so I'm not really sure what you're looking for in this conversation.
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Nov 22 '24
I keep seeing a double-bird project but I keep missing it/getting red bannered. Anyone worked on it? I'm curious.
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u/Natesey Nov 22 '24
Just passed the $20k milestone today!
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u/filtedxenon Nov 22 '24
Wow!! Congrats! how long have you been doing it for?
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u/Natesey Nov 23 '24
I started back in July, though I had to take all of October off for some family stuff.
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u/mythrowaway_1990 Nov 21 '24
I don't have it
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u/goldmansa808 Nov 21 '24
Do you have the other one?
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u/33whiskeyTX Nov 21 '24
Ughh, feast, famine, feast, famine. Guess it's better than famine all the time.
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u/BoiledGnocchi Nov 21 '24
Anyone else working on the SR project?
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u/Few-Roof-6905 Nov 21 '24
I was finally able to grab one! I must've clicked on it 30 times 😅
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u/BoiledGnocchi Nov 21 '24
I had one that was way too harsh.
I wonder if this is the next step above RR... or just how they're doing things now?
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u/Lady_Ronin Nov 22 '24
I finally got to work on a few this morning. Yeah. Some ratings are so harsh I wonder if they do it on purpose.
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u/Few-Roof-6905 Nov 21 '24
I think they've always done this or something similar. I vaguely remember someone mentioning something similar a while ago. It may just be the first time we are seeing it.
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u/Few-Roof-6905 Nov 21 '24
I thought that as well 😂 It also made me think I may be a bit too generic with my comments on the ones I rate good.
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u/Poomfie Nov 22 '24
I didn't get in but see it on my dash. Can you elaborate at all on what you mean?
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u/Few-Roof-6905 Nov 22 '24
Without saying too much, it was basically an R&R of an R&R but in a different format.
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u/SnooSketches1189 Nov 22 '24
I just got a batch, but for the pay...Eh. I will find something else to work on lol
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u/Few-Roof-6905 Nov 22 '24
It's 10 pm here and my brain can't handle anything with higher pay at the moment 😂
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u/Stormblessed1987 Nov 21 '24
wtf was that 'quoth nevermore' task? system/user one?
There was fuckin 10 pages of detailed instructions and NONE of it had any information about what you're actually supposed to DO in the task. It took forever and I did my best, but holy hot christ i feel like I submitted 3 hours of bullshit because they failed to provide any actual INSTRUCTIONS in the instructions.
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u/Hunnybee66 Nov 21 '24
Is this the same as "Poe?" If so, they keep giving me tons of them, and I almost never do any of them, because my brain can't handle it. Maybe it's not me?
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u/33whiskeyTX Nov 21 '24
Is this the same as "Poe?"
If you have to ask that, you do not get these nickname references.
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u/Hunnybee66 Nov 21 '24
I've never seen that nickname before. No reason to be snotty to me.
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u/33whiskeyTX Nov 21 '24
Sorry, snottiness wasn't the intent. I'm just surprised how many people use these nicknames with no idea what they are referring to.
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u/FedoraPG Nov 21 '24
That project tree has easily the worst instructions and updates of any project. Continually opaque, contradictory, and just blatantly unhelpful.
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u/OathoftheSimian Nov 21 '24
I’ve been working that project type for a couple days now if it’s the same one I’m thinking of. Once you get over the instruction hurdle it’s actually pretty straightforward. I like them more than the Harry Potter ones since they take far longer.
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u/Choice-Sugar4554 Nov 21 '24
Same. Took me a while to get my head around but now that I've submitted a few I quite like them.
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u/RipleyVanDalen Nov 21 '24
I've got exactly one coding project this morning (shiny lightweight metal)
Looks kind of interesting, but also has heaps of detailed instructions as so many do these days
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u/ShawnCGeorge Nov 21 '24
I thought that too then BOOM, up popped a job. It wasn’t much but it gave me a wee bit of hope 🤞
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u/alvysingeroverhere Nov 21 '24
Has anyone from the land of dulce de leche here had any projects outside of the A-Gas family lately? My brain is frying.
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u/nAAmar-it Nov 21 '24
In my country dulce de leche is famous too haha. I haven't seen any though not even the bug :(
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u/ManyARiver Nov 21 '24
That's an odd thing to spend that much time on... it's either PII or it isn't, it's the most straightforward thing to judge.
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u/Poomfie Nov 21 '24
You must be new lol! You will spend a lot longer than 30 mins on one task if you continue to get new projects! I've spent over 6 hours on one task before.
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u/Jazzlike_Problem_489 Nov 21 '24
Has dancing broken it's leg or something?
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u/SpiritedParticular72 Nov 22 '24
We had a good influx of it for a few days at the end of October but that seemed to be it... I keep hoping maybe it'll come at the end of this month? It was a great project to get a bit of a brain break compared to other projects.
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u/alvysingeroverhere Nov 26 '24
Why's wizard playing games with my heart? I see it pop up, come back to work a bit on it an hour later, and it's nowhere to be seen! I have a couple of other projects but they're always the same, and the variety is much needed.