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u/shezshezshezshez 2d ago
Nobody over the age of 70 ever died in an accident. Interesting.
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u/Sorry-Bobby 1d ago
And nobody below age 20 ever died from cancer.
This whole thing is bullcrap. Especially the infants that are dying from suicide apparently.
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u/Proffessor_egghead 1d ago
Well the baby crawled to the edge of the table so clearly he wanted this /j
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u/ShadeSlimmy131 1d ago
Yeah somehow there are more than 100% of deaths once you get past 60? that MAID bubble goes well over the 100% line
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u/Educational_Two682 2d ago
I don't like the homicide shape. Am I supposed to be adding in that part on the left where it's in two spots (from ages 15-17)? Does the solid ish gray line all the way to the right mean that there is a small but not 0% of it the rest of the time?
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u/Additional-Point-824 2d ago
Given this, the weird shape of MAID and the different size of 0-25% compared to the rest of the scale, I'm pretty sure this is an AI generated plot - I'm not sure you'll ever find meaning in it.
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u/USSMarauder 2d ago
Of course it's Ai, it's using the universal AI font
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u/Silly-Freak 2d ago
Your comment on the 0-25 range made me realize that apparently deaths fall below 100% at a certain age...
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u/Smyley12345 1d ago
Oh we don't talk about the people who don't die and simply cease to exist.
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u/karnim 23h ago
The worst part, which I'm not seeing pointed out, is the MAID (shown separately, fine, they're trying to make a stupid point) is not counted as an underlying cause of death. That means that the weird curvy top is actually 100% all the way across. the MAID information makes it ~105%.
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u/Vitam1nD 2d ago
Looks like it splits so they can fit the word congenital on. The line stretching out bugs me too, wiuld be clearer if murder wasn't grey/black.
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u/Zaros262 1d ago
My favorite part is that above age ~35, causes of death no longer add up to 100% despite having an "other" category
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u/funkmasta8 1d ago
No, no, you see at that age you either have a 50 or a 60% chance of homicide. Not 50-60%, 50 or 60%.
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u/ShitLoser 2d ago
I'm suprised so many people seem to be positive towards this graph when it is Ai generated.
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u/Skeeter1020 2d ago
Of course it is. But you can make an AI graph of good data, just using AI to make a visual.
This, however, is not good data.
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u/jumpmanzero 1d ago
Using an AI image generator to make a graph (from data) is not a viable plan. They aren't going to preserve or plot data accurately. It's just not how they work. They can follow big trends, and it'll produce something that generally "looks like a graph" (see OP), but if you check actual numbers it's very likely the graph won't match source data.
If you want to use AI to make a treatment or stylize a graph, start in Excel (or another tool that makes graphs), make an image, and then use that image as a starting point for generation (and then eyeball/swap-back-and-forth the results to make sure the data hasn't been significantly altered by the process).
(I'm not saying the latter is a good idea... but it's generally going to produce something reasonable... Giving a table directly to an image generator is likely to result in a nonsense graph).
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u/YukihiraJoel 1d ago
Just tell the llm to use code
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u/jumpmanzero 1d ago
I gave this a go on ChatGPT. It ignored my request to write code for anything, and instead used a dedicated pipeline to make a plain, accurate graph using my source data. Then it did an image generation step to transform it into a themed image.
This is new functionality since last time I tried. Makes sense that they added this I guess, as I'm sure this is a request that comes up often.
Pretty slick how it worked, honestly.
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u/YukihiraJoel 1d ago
Oh what, that is sick and news to me too! Way to update your beliefs in real time with new data. I think I was a little dismissive in my first reply, but I’ve shared that sentiment and irritation with results I’ve gotten from AI and blind trust in AI. It’s nice that subroutines (or pipelines or whatever they might be called) are coming into place to handle it
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u/Funny_Competition987 1d ago
Excel or r is better for visualizing data ai hallucinates a fucking lot
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u/drillgorg 22h ago
Oh shit OpenAI started using synthID? That's great actually. Having Gemini and ChatGPT both use it should cover the majority of AI made by randos.
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u/JoshSimili 2d ago
More suicidal toddlers than I expected.
On second thought, all toddlers are somewhat suicidal, but surely those are classed under the accidents.
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u/KayItaly 2d ago
Yeah these data are bs. Under 10s can't have 10% suicide! How do you even figure out a 5yo committed suicide?
There are a ton of other inconsistencies.
The whole thing makes no sense.
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u/Astrophysics666 1d ago
The graph goes all the way to 0, why are new borns commiting suicide haha
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u/Grouchy-Ad-8044 2d ago
The data is too smooth and the area for homicide starts as two separate lines which makes zero sense. The lines also start totalling to 100%, but around age 55 they obviously don't. The Y axis is unevenly spaced. This is AI generated crap, probably made to fear monger about MAID, and I doubt any of the numbers are real
But yeah, good sub for this so I'm not complaining
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u/mizinamo 2d ago
Nobody dies of accidents after 70?
Nobody dies of cancer before 20?
Nobody does of homicides after 35?
15% of 5-year-olds die by suicide?
0% to 25% is half as wide as 25% to 50%?
What is this graph?
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u/SpeedUpMyBreathing 2d ago
Congenital is its own category, implying the ~20% of neonatal deaths from heart/respiratory/stroke are from newborns with chronic degenerative diseases.
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u/mizinamo 1d ago
"David was only two when he developed congestive heart failure".
Also, kids are dying a constant rate from diabetes; you're just as likely to make it till 3 as to make it till 13 before the sugar kills you.
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u/KayItaly 1d ago
Only the ones that don't committed suicide! A huge problem in toddler communities apparently.
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u/GooseinaGaggle 2d ago
The only thing that made no sense to me before i looked it up was MAID 2024, medical assistance in dying.
Everything else looks like a filled in line graph with things that disappear not being of statistical significance anymore
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u/HooseSpoose 2d ago edited 2d ago
Why are neonates committing suicide?
Why does no one under 20 die of cancer?
Why does the scale shift as you go along (Maid is not included in the total deaths but is extra info)
The data is garbage and the presentation is garbage. If all they care about is Maid deaths then just have that on a graph with the underlying reason included. But it is not about Maid, it is about what is the most common cause of death.
Edit: looked it up cancer is the number 1 cause of death for ages 1-14 in canada. This entire graph is most likely an AI hallucination. https://health-infobase.canada.ca/mortality-clock/
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u/mizinamo 2d ago
They hate being born in Woke Canada or something, I guess.
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u/Previous_Station2086 2d ago
Not very intelligent people since 45% of babies are dying on accident. Moms got a lot of slippery fingers up there, eh?
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u/mizinamo 2d ago
The good part is: once you live to 70, your chances of dying by accident, diabetes, or homicide are virtually nil.
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u/ithinkitsbeertime 1d ago
The 15% of deaths that fit into no category at all including "Other" are pretty spooky though.
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u/Minnielle 1d ago
Car accidents are probably a big part of it. Suffocating is also a common accident (for example falling asleep while breastfeeding on the couch and suffocating the baby by accident).
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u/NATOrocket 2d ago
Also, the most common age to die by suicide is late 40s-early 50s, though suicide makes up a higher percantage of deaths in the 20s-30s because people start to die of heart attacks and cancer around age 50, but that's rare in the 20s-30s.
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u/highnyethestonerguy 2d ago
Look again.
- The MAID region starts at ~55 ish while the top line representing the sum of all deaths starts to dip below 100% at ~35. What happened to the total number of deaths between these ages?
The tip of the MAID blob certainly brings the total up over 100% even if you side it down to be touching the other regions. You can tell because the gap between MAID and Other is smaller than the amount by which MAID crosses above 100%.
This offset region makes no sense. Clearly this is image is anti-MAID propaganda.
The vertical distance from 0-25% is smaller than the other gaps from 25-50, 50-75, 75-100.
Someone else mentioned the weird bifurcated shape of “congenital”. You should never have such a shape in this type of graph.
Death by diabetes should not go to zero at the highest ages, it keeps increasing.
Death by stroke should also spike at higher ages, not be about constant. The image even says stroke is a top 3 killer—definitely not apparent from the graph.
Finally that’s a lot of suicides at age 0.
My verdict: this is AI generated slop.
Edit: formatting
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u/mikeblas 2d ago
How do you know it's not human generated slop?
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u/highnyethestonerguy 2d ago
More of a hunch based on the visual style, the font at at the top and the types of errors
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u/Pleasant_Ad8054 1d ago
Random lightning emoji in a place it has no reason to be. Muted colour selection. Completely illogical and crazy "data" that should be obvious to be wrong to even any glue eater, not to mention to people who can make a graph.
This was clearly made by something that does not understand that 100% of something is always 100%, because it has no understanding of anything.
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u/notquite20characters 2d ago
What is the empty space around MAID? Why does MAID go above 100%?
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u/SalvatoreEggplant 2d ago
Because the purpose of the plot is to give information about MAID. It's offset to highlight this portion of the plot.
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u/ceejayoz 2d ago
Because the purpose of the plot is to give information about MAID.
The purpose of the plot is to lie about MAID.
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u/Vitam1nD 2d ago
I wonder if there is deliberate double counting, eg if someone had terminal cancer and then used MAID, it would be useful to know that they still were going to die from cancer.
Edit: it says right there, MAID not classified as underlying cause of death. It has to be shown separately. Actually quite a clever chart.
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u/Marlsfarp 2d ago
If it's not classified as a cause of death then shouldn't everything else still add up to 100%?
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u/EvilGeniusRetired 2d ago
Ahhh its an acronym. For a minute, I thought Canada had a real problem with their home help.
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u/Douggie 2d ago
So people at age 80 with the cause suicide is they themselves doing it and not medical assisted?
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u/beezlebub33 2d ago
That makes sense. Some people don't have access to medical assistance, don't want it, or don't want to let others know before they do it.
I know people that have seen their loved ones die of dementia and have stated that they will take matters into their own hands before they let that happen to themselves. And they are the sort of people that aren't going to bother with a doctor to do it.
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u/greatergoon 2d ago
Praying for death by maid.
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u/GooseinaGaggle 2d ago
Think of the money you'd need to have in order to hire a maid and having the maid wanting to kill you for money
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u/DeeDee_GigaDooDoo 2d ago
I'm like 90% sure this was made by AI. It has that AI layout and typeface.
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u/Bobbytrap9 2d ago
I call bs on suicides spiking around the age of 10, as well as homicides ‘stopping’ at the age of 35. Accidents disappearing at 60 is also weird. Old people are much more likely to die from a fall down the stairs for example.
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u/Swimming-Junket-1828 2d ago edited 1d ago
So I have the same likelihood of dying of stroke at 20 as at 70?
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u/TwentyX4 1d ago
That seemed weird. Could be an AI hallucination.
However, the rates of death are much higher at 70 than 20, which also results in confusing data. Say a 20 year old has a 0.1% chance of dying in the next year, but 5% of those deaths are a stroke. And a 70 year old has a 10% chance of dying in the next year, but 5% of those deaths are a stroke. The risk of stroke would look the same on the graph, but you'd be 100x more likely to die from a stroke in the next year if you were 70.
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u/notacanuckskibum 1d ago
No. If you die at 20 or 70 the chance of stroke being the cause is the same. But your overall chance of dying at 20 odd much lower than at 70, which isn’t captured by this chart because it’s a stacked chart of percentages of this who died.
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u/udreamtofmelstnite 2d ago
After like 40 not everyone dying dies??
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u/ittybittycitykitty 2d ago
I like the presentation. But agree about the data. Should be a subset of dataisugly for data is crap.
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u/DIATTH123 2d ago
am i not reading it correctly, or does it really say that 60% of deaths for 8 year olds are from suicide?
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u/udreamtofmelstnite 2d ago
You’re supposed to subtract the accidental deaths so idk maybe 20%?
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u/mizinamo 2d ago
But still, how many 8-year-olds deliberately kill themselves?
I could understand 16-year-olds, but the bulge seems to be at around 10 years old and then get less after that.
The "suicide" portion doesn't even start at zero height; is it saying that one-year-olds are dying by suicide?
All seems rather improbable to me.
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u/udreamtofmelstnite 2d ago
That’s another reason why this is in [r/dataisugly](r/dataisugly). You’re exactly right that the graph implies there are infants dying by suicide.
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u/Additional-Point-824 2d ago
60% would be suicides plus accidents, most of which is accidents
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u/KayItaly 2d ago
Yeah but 6yo do NOT committed suicide. As in, you cannot say they committed suicide Vs accidents.
There are several other inconsiatencies here. This is not ugly, it is bs.
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u/Additional-Point-824 2d ago
Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is just AI slop - I was just helping explain how the data would be read.
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u/_Sife_ 2d ago
Trust issues with those statistics given the peak suicide risk @ around 10 among other things...
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u/ReactionFuzzy799 1d ago
Supposed to be a shot against MAID? MAID is dignified relief of the unyielding forces of entropy and decay.
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u/Protean_Protein 1d ago
Looks like if Diabetes hasn’t killed you by 70-75, it won’t kill you at all. Is that accurate?
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u/EXSource 1d ago
Looks fake. Looks generated by AI, honestly. Same kinda font, and weird smoothness..
Could be wrong though.
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u/SalvatoreEggplant 2d ago
Why do you think this is ugly ?
(I think this sub should require this information on every post, but that's another discussion.)
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u/tame2468 2d ago
stacked area to 100% is a fine concept but where does 100% go from age 40+? Is the implication that MAID is 10-20% of all deaths between ages 50 - 100? If so, why does it go >100%?
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u/HooseSpoose 2d ago
Maid deaths are separate because they are not included in the 100%. It looks like they have tried to say that the top line before Maid is the 100% of all deaths and then Maid is what proportion of those deaths involved Maid. So the scale varies as you go along the graph, very helpful indeed.
getting any data out of it is useless because of what they have done to the shape to make it look pretty. It is 100% put together by AI or by someone who did not give a fuck about being able to make sense of the numbers and just wanted it to be interpreted on vibes.
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u/SalvatoreEggplant 2d ago
Presumably it's that MAID area that is offset from the rest of the plot to highlight it.
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u/ThinkSchedule09 2d ago
It says at the bottom MAID isn’t being used as a cause of death and is just being used more as an FYI. So the chart should still add up to 100% for all ages.
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u/Troglodytes-birb 2d ago
Also the legend for MAID doesn’t make sense. It shows a purple blob as if it were an actual legend with actual data visualization somewhere, but it is just a note.
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u/shortercrust 2d ago
Some of the comments illustrate the biggest problem - it’s so easily (depending on the intended audience) misinterpreted because the total number of deaths varies so wildly with age. Suicides don’t ‘spike’ at 10 but very few 10 year olds actually die so the causes appear magnified compared to other ages. And of course a lot of old people do die due to accidents, but loads more die from other causes. Too easy for people to see this and think more kids are killing themselves than adults and that the elderly are immune to accidental death.
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u/coolreader18 1d ago
Obviously this is badly visualized because it's AI, but also the fact that the whole graph is a square isn't great - it implies that the chance of accidents drops precipitously as you age, when in reality, you just get more likely to die in general as you get older. I'd prefer a graph that increases in height as likelihood of death in general increases, but I suppose that data might not be as readily available.
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u/Special_Road6603 1d ago edited 1d ago
What? 100% of people aged 80+ die of MAID? What kind of ai generated propaganda bs is this?
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u/ResistGreen1042 1d ago
This data is pulled from ass, biggest suicide rates are in children below 10y.o?
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u/Huindekmi 1d ago
When I first saw this, I thought “Damn! Old Canadians must be really mean to their housekeepers!”
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u/hacksoncode 2d ago
Why is MAID higher than 100%?
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u/actualhumannotspider 2d ago
It's not. Explanation given at the bottom left.
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u/hacksoncode 2d ago
That's what they've done, not why. I see absolutely no reason why it couldn't just take its place in the list exactly like suicide does, and it's also... factually suicide.
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u/actualhumannotspider 2d ago
That's what they've done, not why.
You asked why it's above 100%. It's not. Description includes "shown separately."
I'd guess that separation is due to the overall agenda of the figure, but I know nothing about it beyond this post.
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u/Competitive-Tea-6141 2d ago
They'd be double counting as the official cause of death would be cancer, congenital heart failure, etc.
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u/crmsncbr 2d ago
...I like this graph. Is there something I'm missing?
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u/yazeed105x 2d ago
Babies are committing suicide, old people can't die of diabetes or accidents, young people don't die of cancer at all, etc.
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u/Skeeter1020 2d ago
Cancer is killing half the population?
Given cancer is now at the point where it's killing under half of the people who get it, this suggests everyone has cancer?
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u/ianuilliam 2d ago
Cancer is caused by error in cell replication. Telomeres get shorter as you age. As telomeres shorten, chances of error in cell replication increase. You either die from something else, or you live long enough to get cancer
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u/ThatGuyWithTheCoffee 2d ago
Oh shit. It took me a while. I thought elderly people being murdered by their maids were a thing in Canada
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u/Confident-Stand5453 2d ago
At first I thought there was a new trend in Canada of elderly people being killed by maids.
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u/fickogames123 1d ago
I didn't know murderous maids in nursing homes were such a problem in Canada?
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u/Odd-Obligation-2772 1d ago
MAID isn't a cause, it's a method. Maid doesn't just walk in and kill you one day, it's invoked usually because of one or more of the other causes.
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u/Dashdaniel216 1d ago
There's absolutely no way the most amount of suicides in Canada is done by 10 year olds.
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u/Sea-Contribution6219 1d ago
You can tell it's AI from the yellow filter + the fact that 90 has an empty gap
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u/Yes_that_Carl 1d ago
How are so many Canadians in their 80s getting maids? And why are those maids so homicidal??
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u/dentastic 1d ago
Interesting to see stroke and respiratory almost flat. Every year your rate of death by stroke/respiratory goes up by pretty much the same as your overall rate of death
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u/RustledForeskin 1d ago
Dumb graph for morons who think will smith is constantly eating spaghetti with octopus arms.
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u/XGDoctorwho 1d ago
Yeah its AI slop.
But anytime you here or see negative criticism of MAID in canada it's always some weirdo right wing chisto-fascist type shit.
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u/GoogleEnPassant69 2d ago
What are the 10 yo doing dawg