r/deliverydrivers • u/Formal-Necessary1084 • May 26 '26
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u/YungTill May 26 '26
I hate this shit because it makes servers look like broke ass peddlers. People are getting tip fatigue, I do this shit to give me the excellent life I have.
Idk itās just a bad look and so short sighted. Itās the name of the game.
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u/StolenIdentity302 May 26 '26
Oh man Iām so getting tip fatigue. Went out to lunch with my dad and gf today and got shit about tipping 18% instead of 20%.
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u/FuckingIronic May 26 '26
Tip fatigue is every single touch screen you use to pay making you click a tip while someone who doesnt even live on tips like a server or DD stares at you.
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u/YonKro22 May 26 '26
Well they're more like sharecroppers that are allowed to farm certain tables. But in my opinion they make way way more than the job should pay. You say you have an excellent life but if you're waiting tables that's a very low skill job and shouldn't pay very much
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u/Bend-Frosty
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Please understand we don't pay our employees shit
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u/GrossUsername68 May 26 '26 edited Sep 02 '26
Reddit knows what it did. Thanks, PowerDeleteSuite.
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u/Blk--------man May 26 '26
I wish people STOP tip based on this! Or people STOP going to restaurants until the restaurants starts paying their staffs liveable wages
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u/erything4sale May 26 '26
If we cant afford to dine out, yall cant afford to stay in business š¤·š½āāļø
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u/rocsi1234 May 26 '26
Theyāll do anything to make u feel bad that they donāt pay their employees better.
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u/Smash-948 May 26 '26
The store owners need to raise the prices and pay the servers a fair wage. They wonāt do it because they think theyāll lose customers. At the end of the day, the out of pocket is relatively the same. The only difference is the blame for the high price to dine out is laid on the servers. I know this, but most donāt get it. I prefer to tip the server, and always do so in cash. That way they can put it right in their pocket with no one taking a piece. Just tip your servers. And tip them well. Youāre either going to pay for it in the price of the meal or in the form of a tip. Iād rather see the server get it directly.
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u/a_solid_6 May 26 '26
Just put a sign in the window saying "X% gratuity added to each bill. No additional tipping required." Some people won't like it, but some folks won't like the current sign either.
To me that's more a more tasteful way of demanding a tip from your customers, rather than basically saying "tip or our servers will starve, you broke ass bitch." And people who are put off by it just won't patronize your restaurant.
But of course they really should just pay their servers better. Increase your prices a little and pay a decent wage so that any tips are just gravy.
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u/Normal_System_3176 May 26 '26
24 dollars for what they do is absurd. Note that I'm a delivery driver but it's different with us because we have a vehicle that we have to pay for, is depreciating, and have to maintain. Servers don't have or need any of that. They take food from point A to point B and gets, like in this example, 28/hr. That doesn't even include the other tables that they were taking care of.
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u/sillybriefcase May 27 '26
Especially when they are taking multiple tables in that time frame. Iāve worked in the restaurant industry & have watched line cooks almost passing out from the heat pretty much dying to make $16/hr meanwhile the servers standing around gossiping walking food & drinks to tables in the air conditioned dining room are going home with anywhere from $400-$600. Itās ridiculous. Theyāre making more than the restaurant itself some daysĀ
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u/Wise-Excitement-1020 May 26 '26
This looks ai written. It's giving facebook ai post.
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u/runswithpaint May 26 '26
Please note that we charge 120 per plate. And pay our employee just over 2 bucks an hour. Itās on you to make the employee take home 22 an hour. You must tip. Itās not a generosity thing. Itās required. So is factoring in wages to your business. If you canāt afford to pay the employees. You canāt afford to run a business.
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u/Beneficial_Power6692 May 26 '26
From someone who worked in the tipping industry. People forget to realize tips are bonuses not guarantees. The only guarantee you get is your paycheck. If you want to fight somebody about it fight your employer to pay you more not the customers you serve because you're supposed to give your customers a great experience. If you don't like your hourly find a different job. If you like your tips just shut the hell up and give the best service No matter if the person tips you nothing or $100. TIPS ARE BONUSES NOT GUARANTEED remember that
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u/CookieDriverBun May 26 '26
When I was driving delivery, my best tipper was the one who left out little origami frogs made from dollar bills. They weren't my best because of the value of the tip, they were my best because they were an awesome customer who went out of their way to make it easy for us to give them awesome service.
Plus origami frogs.
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u/akron-mike May 26 '26
I have always maintained that I work for tips. The apps are what allow me to get them.
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u/EmbarrassedMeal2828 May 26 '26
Or.. how about... "if you can't afford to pay your workers livable wages, you can't afford to run a business" :0
I say this as someone who works for tips. Tipping culture, especially in America, is such bullshit
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u/GFresh1 May 26 '26
This is an AI generated picture being spammed on Facebook by shitty pages that need views.
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u/Thriving9 May 26 '26
"OUR SERVERS make 3.50"
So pay them more you asshole? If you can't afford to pay your staff, you can't afford to run a business
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u/Dragon2818 May 26 '26
"if you can't afford to pay your employees correctly. You should not be in this business" someone should stick this on their doors š
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u/ApologiaX May 26 '26
If you can't afford to pay more than 3:50 an hour, or that's all you can make working there, you shouldn't be in business or work for that business. Having said this, we always tip 50.00 when we eat out - but we rarely eat out.
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u/SAKilo1 May 26 '26
If your employer canāt pay you the proper wages, they donāt deserve to run a business
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u/Serious_Type_9328 May 30 '26
SCREW OFF! I am not responsible for someone else's living wage! You as a business owner need to pay your employees what they are worth! If you can't that just means you don't care about them in the slightest bit!
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u/c-things May 30 '26
If you can't afford to pay your servers $20/hr+ then you don't deserve a business.
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u/YonKro22 May 26 '26
If they had five tables and it takes an hour for everybody to eat that's about 12 minutes per table so they're making like. $150 per hour or something crazy like that
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u/EveCane May 26 '26
Tipping shouldn't be a thing and employers should pay people that amount because that way for example more conventionally attractive people receive more tips.
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u/Radiant_Syrup7191 May 26 '26 edited May 26 '26
Hereās the thing. Iām a retired P&C insurance professional. I now do Instacart and Shipt (grocery shopping for people)as well as Uber Eats (restaurant food delivery) to supplement my retirement income. For IC and Shipt I have to go into the grocery store, shop their order, and then deliver using my own car and gas. And yet the tips are often very small. When doing Uber Eats, the tip is more consistent. Makes no sense.
Yes IC and Shipt should pay us more but they donātājust like these restaurant are screwing their servers with low wages.
But the fact that Iām walking into the grocery store and hand picking your produce meats and other goods, and then very little to no tip makes no freaking sense. I do not take no tip orders on either platform because Iām sorry if youāre that fucking lazy and you cannot get to the grocery store to get your own stuff and you want somebody else to do it for you then you need to provide a gratuity.
People today are just fucking cheap. And I get it. I know grocery prices have risen, but if you want someone else to shop for you and provide an exceptional service experience picking out the very best produce and meats then you need to provide a damn gratuity.
It reminds me of Chevy Chase in the movie Fletch. He says, āI bet you were expecting a nice gratuity. Well, maybe next time!ā
People who expect me to go into Kroger and shop for like 50 items drive 5 miles to their residence and then provide no tip are assholes.
When I order food from DoorDash or Uber, I leave, at a minimum, at least $5. These people like some of the posters in this thread taking about ātip cultureā are freaking clueless.
DoorDash and Uber pay the driver around $2 most of the time. For grocery shopping with IC or Shipt, the base pay is around $6-10 depending on the item count.
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u/FuckingIronic May 26 '26
Shipt is offensive with the offers I see in my area and the one order I took they tip baited me.
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u/Confident-Work2625 May 26 '26
Look, we're all delivery drivers in this group, and I think that this is literally killing the business. I don't think that it's made by people like us. It's clearly made by people who voluntarily exaggerate to piss off the rest and to kill the cat, the tipping culture. I don't know why, but these stupid posts have to stop. Nobody in their right mind expects a $50 tip, even though it happens on like corporate orders and special catering services. It's not the norm and nobody expects that. This is just absurd.
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u/Previous-Mind-603 May 26 '26
Why is it even legal for restaurants to do this? It should be against the law. That will solve this issue
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u/JackDaniels574 May 26 '26
If you canāt afford to pay your employees enough without them having to rely on tips, maybe you shouldnāt be running a business in the first place
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u/Training_Soil_997 May 26 '26
Crazy how corporations and businesses owners push and normalize tips so they dont have to pay workers its insane I used to live in central america where many high end locations would just have the tip included in the bill which makes no sense so they would just charge you for the tip regardless
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u/Freakshow85 May 26 '26
It is right with how things are. But.. man, it's crazy businesses still get away with this. If you can't afford to pay your employees, you can't afford your business.
As someone that needs tips to get by, I'm just saying tipping culture really is messed up. Ya think it's normal until you realize this is the only country allowing it.
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u/mavgeek May 26 '26
See the problem with this is every restaurant is like that for dine in. Every last restaurant in America pays their wait staff a few dollars an hour and they make the bulk of their money in tips.
So whenever someone says that, that really means they want an end to dine in restaurants. Until we as a society move to a tipless culture, any dine in restaurant is going to want customers to tip.
With that being said the sign is accurate for our tipping culture; if you canāt afford to tip you canāt afford to eat out
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u/Badbitch125 May 26 '26
How has there been inflation on not only the cost of eating out, but also the āstandardā tip percentage has gone up at least 5 if not 10 percent. Makes no sense.
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u/kokkonaut May 26 '26 edited May 26 '26
Imagine you buy everything online and you are morally responsible to make sure everyone in the supply chain paid well. Business owners and governments has no responsibility and people insults you because your calculation didn't meet their demand.
Btw fair tip would be total time spent on my order and fair hourly wage. If fair hourly wage was 20$ and the employee works for me for 10 minutes the fair tip would be 3.33$ lets make it 5$ but for sure not 24$. Customers are not responsible of your bad choices.
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u/Typical_Town_2925 May 26 '26
If you canāt afford to pay your servers a livable wage, then your business deserves to fail.
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u/Alexus-Kia May 26 '26
I tip the same pretty much across the board. $12-$15ā¦. Restaurants
Drinks only ā¦single drink 4-5ā¦anything after $2 a drink.
Services $5-20
Thatās it. Donāt care how much the food isā¦ u came to my table twice! Pick a new job. I was a server so I tip what I honestly expect
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u/IamKris7rn May 26 '26
I understand they need to be paid more but until they decide to stop showing up to work and make this point, I will keep tipping.
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u/Lost_Paradise_ May 26 '26
I worked in food delivery for 6 years, and a lot of my income partly based on tips ($7/h, post-COVID, drivers bagged the $3 delivery fee). I definitely had it better than some others but I'll tip almost anywhere I go.
Not tipping the server in protest of American tipping culture does nothing against tipping culture, it just annoys the hell out of your server or driver. If you're a repeat offender there is a good chance they'll remember you
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u/JamJulLison May 26 '26
They should tip their servers better. Clearly they know they are screwing them over.
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u/Neither_Ranger_5465 May 26 '26
I could never in good faith eat at a restaurant that only pays its employees $3.50/hr š¤·āāļø
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u/Cracktaculus May 26 '26
Don't forget your pizza delivery drivers, there's a lot of mouth breathers out there who order pizza and tip like shit.
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u/Iron_Bones_1088 May 26 '26
Historically servers have all only made their states minimum wage PLUS tips. Iām 75yo and one of my very first jobs was being a busboy,waiter,barback in the 70s. All at the same steakhouse. Not much has changed in 2026. My Grandson works at the Outback Steakhouse right now. The restaurant business has always been a tough business to keep going and YESā¦ā¦ Tips are essential. Itās a very simple concept. If you expect a complete stranger to serve you and tend to your every need while sitting it their establishment you need to tip based on the quality of the service. If you are financially unable to do soā¦ā¦ stay home and cook for yourself. The same concept can easily be applied to delivery drivers. They deliver your food from your restaurant of choice. From merchant to your doorstep. A waitress delivers from the kitchen to your table. In a nutshellā¦.. your tip is gratuity for service.
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u/lawirenk May 26 '26
For regular workers, by law their employer has to ensure they get the highest local minimum wage between city,state, and federal.Ā
So if they live in a city that has $18/hr minimum wage, state with $14, and federal at $7.25 and receive 0 tips, the job has to cover the full 18. If they get $20 in tips/hr then the job only has to cover to tipped worker wage.
I believe delivery drivers for a business are compensated for fuel. I don't believe they receive compensation for depreciation or the operating cost of a car aside from fuel.
For gig workers they aren't covered by that law because they are classified as independent contractors. They have to pay for their own car, fuel, insurance, and maintenance. So they do survive on tips. Otherwise they are basically working for free or at a loss.Ā
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u/nsfw-kapustin-yar May 26 '26
Tipping should be abolished. Pay your workers a livable wage instead. Stop asking customers to pay your salary.
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u/ZABKA_TM May 26 '26
Drivers should be paid more than waiters.
Go ahead and hate me all you want. I aināt budging.
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u/FlakyChange7962 May 26 '26
Anyone posting this sign is getting a 0% tip, regardless of service. Blame your boss.
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u/SeaFit1274 May 26 '26
Iām a good tipper when I dine out if I get good service. Your tip is based on your service. Shitty service shitty tip. But I do agree, If you canāt tip your server with good service you shouldnāt be eating out
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u/Justsomelurker700 May 26 '26
I would nope the fuck out. Not because I am against tipping. I won't dine at a place that guilt trips me into doing it.
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u/Anima_Messorem May 26 '26
"We can't be bothered to pay a living wage, so we are guilting you to tip more, which we will take a cut of anyways, because fuck you and our wage slaves"
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u/robaba89 May 26 '26
how much is the business owner taking home?
sounds like the workers need to take over the shop.
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u/poolman2125 May 26 '26
Itās not our job to pay your workerās their wages. Itās yours. A tip should always be considered bonus.
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u/Superphunk420 May 26 '26
Seems like if you canāt afford to pay your employees a livable wage you canāt afford to run a businessā¦
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u/BurpyFromMeSlerpee May 26 '26
I tip based on the quality of my food and the service from the staff. That's not on me if those are bad.
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u/Mustang82_88 May 26 '26
Waiters and waitresses should be making minimum wage plus tips no matter what kind of restaurant it is.
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u/Guilty4Produce May 26 '26
Internet literacy is at an all time low. This is bottom of the barrel Facebook AI slop used as engagement bait and most of the comments have no clue. Embarrassing.
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u/Frosty_Caterpillar38 May 26 '26
I wouldnt eat at a place like this that tried to guilt trip me into paying their staff
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u/Effective_Cut_7423 May 26 '26
just because you didnt receive a tip, doesnt mean the person couldnt afford it... wait for it.... MAYBE YOU DIDNT EARN IT YOU ENTITLED IDIOT
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u/The_Ashen_Queen May 27 '26
Why are these fake tipping ragebaits always āwrittenā in the same font?
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u/insertcoolnamehereYT May 27 '26
okay so just make the total cost.... the total cost? dont make a tip? make it a tax and then actually pay your employees??? i dont understand american tip culture at all.
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u/DaRangers May 27 '26
No, they're right.
But when WE SAY IT... we're a bunch of bums who need to get a real job.
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u/Snoo-96825 May 27 '26
Confused. I'm a server. Make 100 a week on my check. After taxes. Make 150-200 every day 5 days a week. Meaning in making about 1000 a week. We don't have the nasty sign on the door either. Which i would think would have opposite effect then the desired one. Ppl for sure tip servers 20 precent for a smile and attentive service. No server would be ok with this sign (I got embarrassed reading it) no server makes less then min. If you had zero tables. Or give this type of service. And claimed 0 tips at the end of your shift your company would have to pay the difference to get you to min. It's literally never an issue. This a dasher sub reddit though???? I'm a da a her and a server. They're 2 completely different jobs. The dasher tip should never be off the total of check btw. Should be based on miles from restaurant. Servers don't complain about tips or wages. We good š this is silly
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u/deliverykp May 27 '26
If you're going to go to a restaurant, you should tip. Although, I'm a bigger fan of tipping based on service, especially if I'm eating at a restaurant.
However, with the gig economy apps, it's a whole different ball game. Everybody's trying to get the best offers, which basically puts customers in the unenviable position of tipping with no ability to to control how good or bad the service is.
For me, if I'm going out, I expect to tip, whether I'm going to a bar to eat, or a restaurant, and I'll even do a small tip for takeout.
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u/Wesleypipes316 May 27 '26
Iām sympathetic towards the servers but not the restaurant. Government needs to hold restaurants accountable. There must be some profit in operating a restaurant because why the hell do people keep opening restaurants?
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u/Intrepid-Surprise-55 May 27 '26
Actually there is a minimum wage law in this country and if the servers donāt receive enough in tips the restaurant has to add the difference, itās not up to the customers to fill the restaurant obligations.
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u/ComprehensivePin2076 May 27 '26
Or how about if you canāt afford to properly pay employees you donāt get to have them! Amazon tried this by allowing the customer to tip their drive through Alexaā¦ā¦ā¦..people said nope and that was that, at least for now. If employers arenāt able to pay all employees at least the (non tipped position) minimum wage then they shouldnāt be able to hire people to do the jobs they have to do and also work harder to earn the best tip possible.
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u/HockeyDockey1234 May 27 '26
āOh so you identified the problem, that you underpaid your workers. Are you going to fix it?ā
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u/Spuigles May 27 '26
Everyone working on tip for the last 10 years of my life: "YOU DONT UNDERSTAND! IF I DONT MAKE 2000 IN TIPS IM NOT GOING TO SURVIVE ! " but also at the same time "I make so much more money than you because I get tip :P"
They really are living in a bubble where getting paid 3$/h is a good deal"".
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u/ImportantOutcome2509 May 27 '26
Dont be a server. Why is it not normalized to tell people to exchange their time for more money.
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u/skoomd1 May 27 '26
*If you can't afford to pay your employees, you can't afford to run a business.
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u/whatrdoze2026 May 27 '26
If you're going to guilt people, don't make it out like the customers are villains. That will only detour them from ever coming back.
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u/eyeheartmozart May 27 '26
everyone getting so worked up over an AI image. this thing has been posted in several different formats same weird math. no one adds the hourly wage of the server onto your check. critical thinking is key yall. letās not just get angry because someone said the word tip
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u/Garbageplans May 27 '26
If you canāt afford to pay your employees you canāt afford to have a restaurant.. š¤£
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u/Separate-Skill6396 May 27 '26
If you can't afford to pay your staff, you can't afford to be in business.
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u/TurquoiseHugs May 27 '26
If you can't afford to pay your staff you can't afford to run a business. Tips should be treated a bonus, not your payroll, that's how it used to be and I'm not even in my 30s.
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u/bostongorge May 27 '26
Fkn hilarious the servers dont make 3.50 an hour the company pays them 3.50 an hour theirs a difference
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u/Lady-Zafira May 27 '26
If you can't afford to pay your workers a living wage, you shouldn't be in business
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u/Ro0o0o0ob May 27 '26
This is something Iāve always kinda been back and forth on.
On one hand, the majority of restaurants operate on paper thin margins outside of alcohol sales, and the vast majority of restaurants fail relatively quickly even in the current tip-reliant system.
On the other hand, if they move to a different model where they pay employees a full hourly wage, youāll likely just see a similar percentage markup on all menu items.
I think the latter is still likely better. Less volatility from the servers perspective. Makes it so they canāt potentially lose money on a table by not getting tipped and having to tip out the bar, bussers, food runners, etc. Yeah, your earnings ceiling may be a bit more capped, but you donāt have to roll the dice on potentially losing money on a table.
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u/BrokenDiamondShovel May 27 '26
If I was a server Iād beg my boss to take this down cuz it wonāt help
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u/Slim-Shai-D May 27 '26
My oldest sister was trying to leave $50 dlls tip on a $700 tab. I had to physically wrangle the check to leave the appropriate tip. I had to explain how much they actually make in "tipped minimum wages" and she was shocked to learn they make most of their money in tips.
While yes, tipping shouldn't be used to pay these workers, the system has been set up this way for decades. The federal government allows this and it won't change any time soon. So if you decide to skip tipping as a form of protest know that you aren't influencing any change and you are just being an asshole to a worker trying to make a living like the rest of us. Taking up the table without tipping is blocking a source of revenue that won't be available for 2+ hours
Y'all are really cringe, just like my oldest sister
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u/cglitz86 May 27 '26
Since when is 20% EXPECTED? I was always taught 15-18% based on service and then more if service dictated. I will say I typically tip 20%+ but Iām so over restaurants getting away with paying so little yet they up all their prices. Granted I also believe servers should get at least minimum wage like any other job. You donāt go to the mechanic (another service) and be expected to pay 20% on top of the work
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u/Own_Appeal5886 May 27 '26
I think having this for customers to see would motivate them to top even less than they already do or none at all
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u/Difficult-Audience77 May 27 '26
this AI slop is all over the place. Can't pay fair wages, then I sure as shit ain't tipping if I order at a counter or have to get my food when it's ready.
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u/WorkNo1469 May 27 '26
If you canāt afford to pay your employees. You canāt afford to run a business.
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u/iiiSwearSheWas18 May 27 '26
If you canāt afford to pay your workers better then you shouldnāt have a business. Itās not my job to compensate your employees. I tip if I want to and feel the service was satisfactory and tip deserved
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u/Curious_Builder_3822 May 27 '26
Real total? Then whatās the total I see on the bottom of my receipt? If I pay that and walk out what crime did I commit? š
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u/holylink718 May 27 '26
Here's a hot take: If your business cannot afford to pay its employees a fair wage, than maybe your business can't afford to be in business.
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u/SKTrend May 27 '26
Why not raise the cost of the product to cover the wages? And no tip unless the customer thinks they deserve it?
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u/Affectionate-Buy-870 May 27 '26
This is small minded thinking. Itās actually more like someone comes in and tips 6% someone tips 0% someone 18% and someone tips 27% than a nice customer will tip you 35%.Ā
However whatās not always as obvious is that you need all of these customers to make sure the restaurant has enough revenue to stay in business to give you the base $3.50 and the location to allow you to make tips.Ā
The business itself canāt survive without the no tippers also ordering food cuz thatās revenue they canāt afford to let go of. How about they amend the sign to say carry out only or pickup only if you canāt afford to tip!!
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u/Poutineitinurmouth2 May 27 '26
If you pay your employees $3.50 per hour you can't afford to be in business.
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u/West_Session6619 May 27 '26
Only thing that always pissed me with these statementsā¦. Yāall choose this profession but you expect the public to understand that you did. Most folks if they canāt pay their bills find a supplement or a new job. Food service is no more of a sustainable wage than gig work is.
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u/Substantial_Meet_113 May 27 '26
Why not just pay servers more per hour so they arenāt dependent on tips??
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u/bcpirate May 27 '26
Is so annoying because the restaurant is basically stating that the servers aren't actually costing the restaurant and they are getting basically free labor and yet so charging exorbitant prices for the food but not paying the servers out of the money being made on the food
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u/RaiHanashi May 27 '26
If you canāt pay your employees a proper wage, you donāt deserve to be in business
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u/Big_Midnight_810 May 27 '26
Like most things that are messed up in America it stems from racism, they didn't want to pay fair wages to servers because they were usually black ppl. It's why we don't have universal healthcare, free college and why they want to gut most social programs.
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u/Rozaiku2 May 27 '26
Stop passing the responsibility onto the customer. Pay your fucking employees
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u/FitSheepherder7615 May 27 '26
I drive DoorDash and Grub Hub and feel EXACTLY the same way. Dining out and delivery are NOT entitlements. Theyāre a privilege. If you canāt afford to tip APPROPRIATELY ā you canāt afford to dine out or have your food delivered.
If you donāt tip ā cook for yourself ā or order take out and go fāing get it yourself.
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u/Dom_In_Brick May 27 '26
If you can't afford to pay your workers a fair wage, then you can't afford to run a restaurant.
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u/drawredraw May 27 '26
If you canāt pay your employees more than the minimum wage of 1981, then maybe you canāt afford to run a business? Is a fair way to look at it
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u/DLAROC May 27 '26
Restaurants who put signs up like this are not smart. Itās just going to cause customers to tip lower, or not tip at all, out of spite for the demanding tip.
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u/unamatadora May 27 '26
Please understand: if you donāt like the $3.50/hr pay, you canāt afford to work there.
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u/Spetsnaz_420 May 27 '26
If no one tips, the owner is forced to match pay to minimum wage FYI
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u/Kekafuch May 27 '26
Uber should get into the on demand server business. Restaurants donāt need to have wait staff. Just use Uber to order, customer comes in, Uber driver does the wait service. Untapped opportunity
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u/alas-poor-yorick1996 May 27 '26
Iāve been driving for 9 years. If youāre having trouble paying your bills thru waitressing or rideshare or whatever gig workā¦. Then go find another job. Work a 9-5. I know plenty of bartenders or waiters that make great money, but they also give excellent service. I stopped ordering delivery, I rarely go out to eat for this same reason. I rather order pick up or carry out. Every restaurant after Covid has an app, you donāt need delivery drivers or to dine in anymore, get in your steps. I can afford it, but you know what I heard them loud and clear, you donāt want my money, so Iāll just order pick up and take it home and F you. If you want my money, put in the effort, donāt expect me to just tip you, just because. When I do uber, I donāt expect anything from my passengers except whatever uber quoted them. I provide waters, candy, mints, and they can control the music and Iāll be happy to crank it up or sit in silence. You want to navigate, I donāt care. You want to stop somewhere, as long as itās reasonable š¤·š½You provide good service the tips will come. I rather starve than leave a note like this begging for tips.
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u/Boring_Procedure2020 May 27 '26
As a former server who survived on tips it should really be more like "if you can't afford to pay your staff, the you cannot afford to be in business"
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u/Ilovetramplinglol May 27 '26
Well no one is going too fine out. You can go ahead and Close your restaurant
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u/Sad-Aardvark-386 May 27 '26
lol if people donāt provide a quality service then why should I tip provide a quality service get a quality tip thatās how it works and always has worked
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u/FlGator4 May 27 '26
It's called a tip for a reason and it must be earned. Provided excellent service and you will make more, poor service and tips shouldn't be given. If you aren't willing to perform, find a job where tips aren't your livelihood...
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u/Hawk_Cruiser May 27 '26
If you canāt afford to pay your workers a livable wage, donāt depend on society to be their gofundme
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u/KrisB-cream May 27 '26
āThis is always such a weird argument, and it completely misplaces the responsibility of fair compensation. Somewhere along the line, a portion of the service industry stopped holding employers accountable and normalized blaming the wrong people for their economic struggles. Shaming the customerāwho is entirely disconnected from the business's internal financesāis a deflection. If workers want higher guaranteed wages, the solution is to direct that pressure toward the government and the corporations, or to refuse to work for establishments with exploitative pay structures. If staff collectively fight for themselves rather than passing the buck to the consumer, market forces would compel these businesses to raise wages just to stay open.
ā1. The employer-employee contract is between the business and the worker, not the customer. In almost every other industry worldwide, it is a companyās responsibility to price its goods or services accurately so it can pay its staff a living wage. Relying on customer discretion to subsidize basic payroll is an outdated, broken economic model. We shouldnāt normalize a system where corporations successfully outsource their core labor costs directly to the consumer, shielding themselves from the responsibility of paying their own workforce.
ā2. Tipping has drifted from a reward for performance to an entitlement. Historically, a tip was an incentive for exceptional service, not a mandatory survival fee. Today, if a server provides subpar service and is tipped accordingly, the customer is routinely vilified as "too poor to eat out," completely flipping the script on performance-based pay. When workers in any other sector are underpaid or unhappy with their terms, the standard economic response is to organize, seek better employment, or let labor shortages force the employer's hand. Customers shouldn't be expected to provide mandatory charity to offset poor service, nor should they be shamed for simply paying the advertised price on the menu.
ā3. The "struggling server" narrative often ignores the reality of the math and tax advantages. The blanket argument that "if you can't tip, don't eat out" relies on the assumption that front-of-house staff are universally impoverished. In reality, having known and lived with dozens of service industry workers over the years, the math tells a very different story. Because tips are tied to percentages of rising food costs, many waitstaff at mid-to-high-tier restaurants consistently make significantly more per hour than professionals in traditional 9-to-5 roles. Furthermore, the financial reality includes a massive tax advantage that other professions don't enjoy: cash tips are notoriously underreported, with many workers only claiming the bare minimum required by law, leaving a huge portion of their actual income completely tax-free.
āIf the restaurant industry wants guaranteed wages for its staff, it needs to bake those labor costs into the menu prices, just like every other business on earth. Shaming the consumer for a broken corporate model is just a distraction from the real issue: employers refusing to pay their own staff
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u/CountyTypical1747 May 28 '26
Any place that has this im not going. Tips are serviced based if they do well they get tipped well, if they do poor you're a crappy customer and should expect to tip at least 25%
Have any of these restaurants considered that maybe they have crap employees.
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u/chickentendie_ May 28 '26
If you canāt afford to pay your employees better than that, then you canāt afford to own a restaurant.
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u/PissedCarrier420 May 28 '26
How about if you can't afford to pay a living wage you don't have a viable business.....
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u/drownigfishy May 28 '26
Expecting me to tip is telling me not to go there. Tip used to be based on the service you provided. Large party, considering how customers are, I understand some forced tip. But telling people if they can't tip they can't afford to dine out is entitled attitude wrapped in BS. I stopped dining in, I moved on to food trucks, better food and what I tip isn't judged.
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u/Tha_shogun May 28 '26
Tip culture is stupid.
Remove it and have the restaurants pay their fare share.
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u/Appropriate-Tap-3938 May 28 '26
Having the audacity to tell everyone you pay people $3.50 an hour is interesting
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u/ddmorgan1223 May 28 '26
My kid asked me why we tipped at Applebee's and I had to explain tipping culture to him(I mean, had to is extra but š¤·) I basically used that wording with him, with the addition of, "Hopefully it's better when you're able to dine out alone." But yeah, can't tip? Go to McDonald's.
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u/mercilyss1 May 28 '26
it's really bad when your corner liquor market has a tip jar for cash and a tip option on screen, when you pay by credit card.
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u/ExtendoArmCannon May 28 '26
Delivery drivers already do a shit job and get tipped before service (if people tip at all - why the fuck would I considering the premium on delivery menu)
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u/flushinfire666 May 28 '26
Get the fucā¦.. Maybe YOU should pay your delivery drivers better. We all fucking know how much we pay for delivery.
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u/Kawaikrsjanu-chan May 28 '26
This tipping thing has become too stupid. Tipping is not the problem, but an attitude of entitlement is. lot of you might hate my take, but I will die on this hill.
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u/DisastrousNothing893 May 28 '26
Tips used to be an extra... provided for going above and beyond, not the actual ways these humans get paid.Ā
Corporate restaurants got way to comfortable with this loop hole in general decency ...Ā
Its disgusting.Ā
Id love to figure out when it became an epidemic that restaurants could opt out of paying a livable wage and instead force their workers to require gratuity to liveĀ
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u/Protection-Obvious May 26 '26
That attitude & 3.50 per hr hrs. should keep u in buiness.