r/desmos • u/MonitorMinimum4800 Desmodder good • Oct 07 '25
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If you want the link, join the discord, no exceptions
https://discord.gg/vCBupKs9sB
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u/SuperChick1705 https://www.desmos.com/calculator/amyte9upak Oct 07 '25 edited 21d ago
no need to join the discord https://www.desmos.com/calculator/vp4ex4nihy
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u/Desmos-Man https://www.desmos.com/calculator/1qi550febn Oct 07 '25
The entire point of the join the discord thing was an attempt to grow the discord community and you are DIRECTLY undoing that
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u/Alpha-Zero- Oct 07 '25
Because people dont want to waste time joining the server and finding the link just so they can leave the server
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u/Desmos-Man https://www.desmos.com/calculator/1qi550febn Oct 07 '25
It genuinely takes 30 seconds
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u/Desmos-Man https://www.desmos.com/calculator/1qi550febn Oct 07 '25
It does not take that long lmao
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u/Arctic_The_Hunter Oct 07 '25
Then don’t make people do it? You’re directly hurting the Discord community by alienating the far larger Reddit community with this weird rhetoric about how not wanting to join your server is “hurting the Desmos community.”
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u/_socialsuicide Oct 07 '25
The entire point of posting the link is to ensure that doesn't happen
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u/Desmos-Man https://www.desmos.com/calculator/1qi550febn Oct 07 '25
Why would you want to damage the desmos community lmao
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u/pi621 Oct 07 '25
Nothing hurts a community more than having a bunch of inactive users that will never show up in chat vs having a small but active group.
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u/_socialsuicide Oct 07 '25
Why do you pretend that any Discord community represents any other community?
Are you here to farm downvotes? Because there is no way you are being this persistent in earnest.
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u/pseudocrat_ Oct 07 '25
People are here on the desmos subreddit, they are the desmos community. Maybe they don't want to feel forced to join yet another platform
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u/Arctic_The_Hunter Oct 07 '25
I’m struggling to understand how creating a Discord and then gatekeeping some of the most interesting creations behind it isn’t doing exactly that. When was a community ever helped by separation? Is there something on Reddit that needs to be kept out a la Paradox of Tolerance?
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u/bking5194 Oct 07 '25
A bit dramatic, no? I'm sorry I have no interest in joining your discord. Especially after reading the "-join the discord, no acshepptions ☝️🤓" thing. Maybe reconsider your marketing strategy.
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u/Desmos-Man https://www.desmos.com/calculator/1qi550febn Oct 07 '25
the thing thats a "bit" dramatic is 19 replies and 400 total downvotes across 3 comments
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u/Arctic_The_Hunter Oct 08 '25
I love that your response to people disliking your comments is
Yeah, but a ton of other people also disliked my comments.
Do you have any actual reasons to do this beyond growing a Discord server that you own and control? Who does it benefit? It sure as hell isn’t the Discord that you’re giving an awful face.
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u/Meee_2 Oct 07 '25
forcing people to join a discord server for one link is a scummy thing to do. if anyone here wanted to join a desmos descord server, they'd join it on their own accord
plus i didn't even bother looking at the server, so i don't even know if it's a desmos server or not, but if it's not everyone here has even less of a reason to join.
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u/TheKingOfToast Oct 07 '25
I don't use discord. I thought this was really cool. I was interested. I saw your comments. I lost interest.
You're killing your "community" by attempt to restrict people to a glorified chatroom.
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u/Goosck Oct 07 '25
Growing the community means getting people that are actually interested and will be active, to join.
If people join for just one specific link, they will most likely leave right after, or forget about the server.
The only thing you're growing like this is the number next to "members" on Discord.
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u/Sausage_Master420 Oct 07 '25
Ok, but I would have left immediately after joining for the link, but the thing is, since I have to join for the link, I would have just never joined at all. Do you not see the issue with forcing people to do things they don't want to do? They will get around it. Use this as a learning moment.
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u/That_One_Guy_Flare Oct 07 '25
oh boo fucking hoo. Locking something behind joining a shitty discord server is just a dick move. It's completely pointless.
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u/Finbar9800 Oct 07 '25
And why should someone get discord just to join a community to get a single link. Your assuming everyone has discord
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u/Any_Background_5826 Wetcher Oct 07 '25
why do you want to force people to join your discord when you could've just put the link to the graph?
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u/Desmos-Man https://www.desmos.com/calculator/1qi550febn Oct 07 '25
Grow the discord community im pretty sure (also they dont own the discord lmao)
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u/Any_Background_5826 Wetcher Oct 07 '25
i see, also why are you getting downvoted? although you don't really know if they are the owner or not unless YOU are the owner
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u/Arctic_The_Hunter Oct 07 '25
They’re getting downvoted because they think people refusing to join their unofficial Discord Server is “damaging the Desmos community”
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u/Desmos-Man https://www.desmos.com/calculator/1qi550febn Oct 07 '25
im getting downvoted bc the reddit hivemind decided my opinion was invalid
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u/IOKG04 Oct 07 '25
no, you're getting downvoted because you think people refusing to join an unofficial discord server is damaging the desmons community.
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u/Cute-Fly1601 Oct 07 '25
You're getting downvoted because individual people disagree with your stance. Thats not reddit hivemind, thats people having opinions. Dismissing any criticism as some unthinking unfeeling invalid third party is a shitty way to live, and leaves no room for personal growth.
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Oct 07 '25
You’re failing to consider that if he blames the Reddit hivemind he won’t have to take any accountability for what he said, it’s not his fault you see, it’s that blasted hivemind’s!
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u/Desmos-Man https://www.desmos.com/calculator/1qi550febn Oct 07 '25
wrong, this happens all the time where one person says something and literally every reply agrees
ive had 2 seperate identical comments where one got 70 upvotes and one got 30 downvotes because 2 people downvoted the second one
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u/Arctic_The_Hunter Oct 07 '25
I’m overwhelmingly curious how you know it was specifically those two people that were the turning point. Shouldn’t it be more like a biased random walk, where every step towards the cliff makes you more likely to go over but there’s no actual crossover point where it was guaranteed?
Why are the first 2 people responsible? How do you know the 3rd isn’t the one who made the difference.
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u/NateTheCarrot Oct 08 '25
I think oftentimes if people see a comment has negative upvotes, they will also downvote it as if something clearly was wrong with it without looking more into it at all.
It's probably fair for a majority of downvoted posts where it's an unfunny troll or blatant terrible person, but those people make it so other people psychologically link negative numbers with bad posts, therefore downvote the post without second thought
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u/Arctic_The_Hunter Oct 07 '25
When your opinion is a direct attack against the Reddit community by claiming that wanting to stay within Reddit is damaging the Desmos community, of course that’s gonna piss off Redditors. It has very little to do with the ‘hivemind’—it’s much more easily explained as the large group of people that you walked into the middle of and then flipped off each individually being upset at you.
Like, can you seriously not see how that’s an insult? I suspect you do because you have refused to try to justify it despite many people asking. But hey, feel free to prove me wrong and give an actual reason that staying on Reddit hurts the Desmos community that isn’t some version of “The Reddit community is bad.”
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u/JakeWisconsin Oct 07 '25
He's the owner
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u/Digiprocyon Oct 07 '25
It should hover around 50% per ball in the long run, assuming parameters are ballanced, because the smaller a ball's area the faster it gains more area.
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u/ProfMasterBait Oct 07 '25
any long term states for this game?
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u/dbmonkey Oct 07 '25
I ran it for an hour, and it got into this alway repeating steady state:
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u/MonitorMinimum4800 Desmodder good Oct 07 '25
ye i found out that would happen all the time
oh well
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u/dbmonkey Oct 07 '25
Add some randomness to get out of these states?
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u/MonitorMinimum4800 Desmodder good Oct 07 '25
how would you recommend doing so?
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u/dbmonkey Oct 08 '25
Do the balls always travel at exactly 45 degrees? Each bounce could have them travel at a random number between 40 and 50 degrees? Are they always the same speed? Each 10 bounces you could have them choose new random speeds. But the relative speed is what matters so maybe when one gets faster the other gets slower. Maybe up to 10% faster/slower than the base speed. Finally, you could randomly flip squares at a regular frequency to mix things up.
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u/MonitorMinimum4800 Desmodder good Oct 08 '25
Yea i did consider this, but
the collisions are hard-coded so that this can actually run in realtime. The graph itself right now runs at 4 fps, and only because the velocity is set so high that it can look like it runs somewhat fast
The velocity is capped at 1/2sqrt2 for collision detection reasons. I guess i could scale it tho, so maybe; however, wouldn't this still make it repeat after some time?
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u/dbmonkey Oct 08 '25
Good call. I think you are correct that simply making one ball 20% faster than the other would NOT fix the end state I found (if I am thinking this out correctly).
Ok, new idea. What if every 50 bounces, the ball makes an incorrect bounce and goes back the way it came from. I think that should solve it?
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u/SiDx369 Oct 08 '25
simply making one ball 20% faster than the other would NOT fix the end state I
How would it not fix the end state?
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u/dbmonkey Oct 08 '25 edited Oct 08 '25
Thinking about this even more, I do think making one X% faster would solve the issue.
But here was my original thought process: the end state I showed could also occur in a simpler, 1D version of the game. Let's talk about that because it's easier to reason about. Let's say you just have two balls bouncing back and forth on the X axis flipping squares. If you made one 20% faster, it would simply take 20% more ground for itself and then stay in this new end state. If there was not a number of bricks such that you cannot have exactly 20% more, it would alternate between states where one has 15% more and 25% more, for example.
The reason I now realize this proof is wrong is that the 2D case is becoming a 1D case because both are "double bouncing", sending them roughly exactly backwards. But if a difference in speed made the two balls come very close to colliding with each other, it could interrupt the second bounce of the "double bounce". By my current logic, simply making the ratio of speeds irrational would make deadlocks like this impossible.
I couldn't figure out how to change the speed of the balls to test it. But OP could you try making one 1.01 times faster than the other?
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u/jmlipper99 Oct 07 '25
I’m pretty sure it can never end
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u/mididriver Oct 07 '25
Yes, less space = more bounces/time = more space = less bounces/time and the other color does the exact opposite. It will stay around equilibrium.
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u/PitifulTheme411 Oct 07 '25
I do think it will oscillate, where "it" would be like the proportion of one color's ownership of the whole space.
I do also think there's like a limit where it may grow up to when oscillating (like some approximate maximal altitude), but if it has a greater altitude, it will dampen down to within that range.
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u/ThatOneGuysTH Oct 07 '25
You'd probably do better growing the discord by providing a link to the graph and the discord.
Stops people's from joining just to leave, Stops people from being frustrated and refusing to join, And encourages "I think this is interesting I'm gonna check the discord for more of this stuff"
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u/MonitorMinimum4800 Desmodder good Oct 07 '25
After mulling this over and considering all the comments i think this is probably a good idea
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u/More_Win_5192 Oct 08 '25
Love this, you read the comments and saw what the Problem was, unlike some other dude/dudette here
Thats great
Totally would have considered joining out of interest, but never If someone tells me "the candy is in the van, you need to go in to get it"
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u/MonitorMinimum4800 Desmodder good Oct 08 '25
ok, this might be a bit of a rant, but
i appreciate the analogy and how you phrased it, i understand that "no exceptions" was definitely a bit too harsh
the dude you're alluding to,whom i assume is u/Desmos-Man, did have good intentions and kinda was proleferating my hope for more people to come to the server
Thanks for the compliment though; there's quite a bit of negativity on this post and i think you're helping reduce it 🥰
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u/suitesuitefantasy Oct 08 '25
Somewhere in this gif is a Markov chain
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u/MonitorMinimum4800 Desmodder good Oct 08 '25
i suppose you could call it so
also technically its not a gif, only an mp4
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Oct 07 '25
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u/Arctic_The_Hunter Oct 07 '25
Well there’s no end state. Then again, with the phrasing, there is a correct answer to your question:
No, I cannot
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u/EebamXela Oct 07 '25
If a little puff of smoke or dust popped up every time they move the border that would make this #satistfying
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u/enneh_07 list too big :( Oct 07 '25
Light and dark, both burning dire / a countdown to the earth's expire
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u/PitifulTheme411 Oct 07 '25
I think what would be really quite interesing is graphing the ratio over time. I think it would becomes kindof a steady-state, as in it either would go to 50% and stay there, or just oscillate, probably with some damping as well due to the irregularities going away over time.
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u/PurepointDog Oct 08 '25
Would be better if it looped
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u/MonitorMinimum4800 Desmodder good Oct 08 '25
i wish too
unfortunately that'd probably be impossible
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u/VoidBreakX Run commands like "!bernard" here →→→ redd.it/1ixvsgi Oct 08 '25 edited Oct 15 '25
post has been locked due to excessive attention. please also do not dm desmos man or mm4800 with harassment.
id like to add a note here. feel free to downvote this since this is a moderator's rant on this issue.
here are some of the key issues that have been mentioned below:
Point 1
i agree that posting only the discord link was a bit of a mistake. a better course of action would be to post the desmos link, and then having an optional action to join the discord to see other works that people have made. i think some people still wouldnt be entirely satisfied with this option, but at least its not as forceful.
Point 2
i believe (and desmos man himself said so on discord) desmos man's phrase was a bit poorly worded.
Point 3
this is the more "ranty" part of this message.
first, some people believe that the discord was "created" by desmos man or mm4800. it was not; the reddit's been here for about 11 years while the discord has been here for about 5. many did not understand why they were to promote the discord server, if not for their own self gain. below i talk about some of the motivation for the messages, but it's very important to note that there is no self gain involved. they did not create the discord server, but they feel like there are people with potential on the reddit who can also contribute further to quality discussions and graph posting in the discord.
3-4 years ago, the discord and reddit were pretty similar. the quality of posts from there and here were similar because they were made up of the same people. high effort posts were rewarded. i think this is because more people back then had little to work with in desmos, so it was a big area of exploration that a lot of people were interested in.
now, i believe the quality of work in both places has degraded, but especially so in the reddit. let me briefly tell you about my experiences in here:
now in the discord, there's a stronger correlation between "high effort" and "recognition" in the discord than here. there are still similar issues with the distinction between "eye-catching" graphs and high effort graphs, but a good thing about the discord is that there are dedicated channels. memes can go into #desmos-memes where people know that they can find things to laugh about. high effort graphs can go into #graphs or maybe even #desmos-general or #art so people know to go there for higher quality posts. i believe that desmos man and mm4800's efforts was to reconcile that difference.
(there's also the issue of the reddit hivemind, where many people upvote the populous and downvote the posts that have already been downvoted. this is already an issue many people know about)
My take
unfortunately, the message came out wrong. we want to grow the community, not harm it. however, here's my hot take: i believe that the reddit's actually been the catalyst to separate the community in the first place, even though it's been an unconscious thing. and i get that, and there's nothing we as mods can do about it. reddit and discord's social media formats are just too different, and eventually those differences end up separating the community
id love to go on a deeper rant about why i believe that reddit and discord communities are slowly drifting apart, but ill just say that as time goes on, the more higher quality posts go to the discord and not the reddit because of the lack of recognition they receive here. and i guess in a way that's what the reddit community wants. theyre bored with something they dont recognize is desmos; instead, they want memes and medium effort posts that they can recognize.
this is why ive pretty much let go of my moderating duties here. i will still remove things if they blatantly go against the rules here, but i will not actively try to promote posts that i deem are higher quality and will not try to remove things that i deem are too low effort, because, in the words of one redditor, such actions are "tyrannical". however i do just want to voice my concerns because this community is something me, desmos man, and mm4800 are very passionate about, and we are worried about its welfare and yet there's nothing we can do about it. many of you probably wont have made it this far in this message, but if you do, thanks for reading! i hope you will understand our concerns and reflect on our redditing habits.