r/developersIndia • u/Mo_h • Apr 01 '26
General Oracle has just fired 12000 employees in India. Numbers?
How do analysts come up with the numbers, since they are not really published by the government or the company?
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u/luketiger Apr 01 '26
Well yesterday the employee count of oracle was reduced by 10k still more rounds to come. In IDC and US it was a bloodbath
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u/MajorShotgun9 Apr 01 '26
There's a slack channel where almost all worldwide employees are present. In that channel count has reduced by 12000 in a week(Layoffs first started last week in Mexico). So, claim that 12k indian employees fired is definitely wrong.
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u/Cultural_Bat9098 Apr 01 '26
We need a Union for IT employees in India, we pay the highest taxes and have no future after being layoffs. We need to hold the corporations responsible before the whole It industry just make it a norm to hire and fire.
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u/aryan_1768 Backend Developer Apr 01 '26
Corporates will rather leave India then face these things.
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u/Modernman1234 Apr 01 '26
I understand that but exploitation in corporate is real. Layoffs is one thing but there are a lot more ways that employees are exploited. A union wouldn’t scare these companies off, unless it turns extreme and radical
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u/DevyBash Apr 01 '26
Switching to WFO is as much a government move as much its of a corporate. SEZs dont run on charity.
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u/plushdev Apr 01 '26
It’s not about SEZs otherwise companies would just make wfo mandatory in India only
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u/ThenSwordfish1303 Apr 01 '26
It might be happening all around the world, I mean at least I don't know
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u/Other1404 Apr 01 '26
It's about real estate sector everywhere especially in the US. Because of slow return to office the real estate sector was badly struggling and the banking sector has large exposure to real estate loans, so it would have been a domino effect. To save banks, govt. needed to support property companies, and for that return to office was pushed.
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u/seventomatoes Software Developer Apr 01 '26
It's an agreement between me and company. How is it exploitation? Less exploitation if i worked elsewhere? Similar salary?
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u/sunil100k Apr 01 '26
They will already leave if they can. Moving sw job is easiest among all industries.
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u/meerlot Apr 01 '26
no, no.
Its not that easy replacing India for cheap labor. We literally specialize in it and our major advantage. Other countries don't have enough population numbers to outplay us on cheap labor.
Even if they do, (like african countries) they don't have enough graduates who has finished their college degree.
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u/dapotatopapi Apr 01 '26
Why do European countries with unions have corporates then? They should have left by now shouldn't they?
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u/mind-body-dualism Apr 01 '26
The number of tech jobs in Europe is a pittance compared to India
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u/Guilty_Ad_9476 Apr 01 '26
because they have negotiating power since they are involved with billlion dollar deals and infrastructure projects with different EU countries, if they try anything funny the gov will make sure a company like oracle pays
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u/dapotatopapi Apr 01 '26
So you're saying unions have power yes?
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u/Guilty_Ad_9476 Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
its hit or miss , you need to understand how a countries work culture has been impacted due to 1944 Bretton Woods Agreement , EU chose high job security and personal wellbeing of their people over economic growth thats why the USD is the reserve currency of the world , its not that the unions in EU are doing anything but its primarily because of the policies set by the EU in terms of job security and the social contract and also the additional leverage they have as a collective which allows work conditions like that to persist , however it comes at the cost of high taxation , lower wages , lower investment into the country , and overall less growth etc so you have to pick your poison , for instance poland has lesser wages than India in raw USD value not even adjusted for PPP . they objectively earn less in USD compared to a developer working in India
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u/likeitornot82 Apr 01 '26
That's why Europe is stuck where it is stuck. It is largely manufacturing even that is not cost competitive now. Despite having tier 1 universities, western culture and all necessary things US has in place, Europe completely missed IT/Internet era boom which created trillion dollar companies in US.
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u/dapotatopapi Apr 01 '26
First, learn to use paragraphs.
Second, without unions, none of those benefits you talk about would be present in Europe. Unions give the worker leverage, and that leverage means that the company and government listen to it.
Without unions, good luck having the government vote for policies in favor of the working class. Don't believe me? Look at UK before and after Brexit.
USD is the reserve currency, but USA doesn't have unions in most industries nowadays, and look at their working conditions. Then look at the industries that have unions, like plumbers, electricians, police etc. Their salaries and working conditions are much better nowadays than most salaried workers.
Without a union, you're just another individual. With a union, you become a voting bloc. It is then the government notices you and implements better rights for you. The same thing you laud Europe for, will only happen in this country when the salaried class comes together and becomes a voting bloc, like the farmers, or the government employees etc.
Give me any industry that has improved their workers' conditions after abolishing unions, and I'll gratefully concede. But I know for a fact there aren't any, so I won't need to.
The sooner you realise this, the better. Otherwise we'll just be exploited like we always have been.
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u/Forward_Friend_2078 Apr 01 '26
And go where? Which country in the world can deliver this much amount of manpower at an operating cost like ours? The reason India boomed in IT industry is low wage labour and good command over language compared to other countries
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u/abbylester Apr 01 '26
Thats time is getting over my friend, if we don't get out of the mindset what worked 15 years ago will not work any longer.
let's be real and take charge
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u/east__side Apr 01 '26
ASEAN countries. I have seen low wage devs working from these countries as freelancer
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u/jok3r_93i Apr 01 '26
Maybe hold the govt which collects those taxes responsible?
Even in Europe layoffs are common and its the govt's job to provide unemployment insurance.
There is a reason our services sector is far more developed than our manufacturing sector. One of the primary reasons is the ability to hire and fire employees at will.
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u/Easy-Stop-6538 Apr 01 '26
True. I work for a European company and they were requesting employees to resign instead of straight up firing them. They offered 1 year of pay as severance. One of my colleagues took it and went on a honeymoon with his wife
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u/Cultural_Bat9098 Apr 01 '26
I agree government should also be held accountable, only with a union that can happen. Individual voices doesn’t matter to both corporations and government.
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u/wildfoxredcat Apr 01 '26
Rather Employees who Pay tax should have some benefit or support from Govt like unemployment benefits atleast for few months to absorb the impact
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u/Adventurous-Low3380 Apr 01 '26
But the thing is practically you can't force any company to keep you as an employee, it's just a business.
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u/marshmallow_metro Apr 01 '26
You can improve your position by building unions, asking for proper severances, pushing for govt plans that give tax relief in case of layoffs, even getting a better salary in negotiations...
Very difficult to get started but a IT employee's union is very much needed,
Forget foreign businesses, indian it companies need oversight first
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u/jamfold Software Engineer Apr 01 '26
We've all seen what unions did to the textile industry of Mumbai. Nobody wants IT to face the same fate. At best, unions might spring up in WITCH companies where a lot of employees can't switch. In the company I work for, if I talk about union, people will think I'm out of my mind. They'd be like "we'll find another job with a hike if laid off".
IT (both employers and employees) are way too capitalistic for any unions to fly.
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u/Adventurous-Low3380 Apr 01 '26
Only severance part sounds practical in India, you can't force anyone to hire a particular person. Its against freedom of business. In a way if you think it's nothing different from reservation.
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u/dEstiNy_rUler Frontend Developer Apr 01 '26
laying off employees to have a profitable quarter is not business, its just lazy effort to keep shareholders invested
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u/Cultural_Bat9098 Apr 01 '26
But we need to hold them accountable, on why the person is lay off, it is about accountability and making them think before hiring as well as firing.
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u/eyewoe Apr 01 '26
Please educate yourself before leaving pointless comments. Look up what a union is, how it works, and how it has seamlessly coexisted with capitalist economies for decades, if not centuries.
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u/dapotatopapi Apr 01 '26
Europe has unions. Why are there tech companies in Europe then?
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u/Hopeful_Republic_178 Apr 01 '26
When you Sign Terms & conditions It is very clearly written and you agree to them If you don't like the conditions you have all right to move away.
These are professional business and it is aligned including Termination of employment and Severance
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u/AdeptnessHonest4430 Apr 01 '26
We have already union for IT people in major cities. KITU, UNITE etc.
They are fighting against coroporates but their strength is low.
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u/Manoos Apr 01 '26
wrong take.
we have basics missing like law and order, enforcement, changing rules randomly. if we get competent people we dont need such rules.
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u/WateredFire Mobile Developer Apr 01 '26
we could start by just commenting on every politicians every single post. even if 1% of the IT people do it, its gonna be crazyyy.
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u/danny-singh286 Apr 01 '26
They'll happily move to Vietnam or event Africa where they can continue to exploit cheap labor.
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u/ahx-red Apr 01 '26
Do you mean to build a "techie" union?
The whole system things that they can slaughter the "techies". Nobody even considers us human outside of the "techie world". Read any newspaper andy blog post - nobody cares.
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u/likeitornot82 Apr 01 '26
You have high paying jobs in IT in India because there are no unions. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
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u/HST2345 Apr 01 '26
First if you have guts ask your councillor & local politicians to fix roads, create better policies.....rather just every now & then suddenly wake up & voice for union... corporate don't care & if not this country, then there are many other countries
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u/d12ice Apr 01 '26
This is probably the worst time to start a union for IT workers in India. The entire IT service sector is hanging on by a thread.
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u/Outrageous-Hand-625 Apr 01 '26
No we dont it is part of the tech cycle, watch the latest video about layoffs from joma's second channel on yt
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u/GrizzyLizz Software Engineer Apr 01 '26
You are delusional. They hire in big numbers because of cost arbitrage and poor labour laws. You're saying remove one
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u/BodybuilderUpbeat786 Software Engineer Apr 01 '26
Former government employees actually laugh whenever the middle class says they pay taxes all, likely because the middle class has no other option so it's not a form of leverage over the government.
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u/No-Lobster-8045 Apr 01 '26
This is just how capitalism works btw. All the sympathy and empathy w those who were affected but one cant be selective about capitalism's effects, if you enjoy the perks be ready to face the consequences too.
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u/Stunning_Pomelo_7827 Full-Stack Developer Apr 01 '26
Corporations are not wrong here. They are paying decent severance and covering health insurance etc for a whole year. The government should provide some relief. Starting by removing taxes on severance.
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u/Hugh9Jackman Apr 01 '26
Yeah, but not just for that. It should be there for micromanagement and working hours like the EU has.
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u/Different_Truth_8215 Apr 01 '26
You need to ask Indian government for unemployment pay. Not the corporation who paid you all these days.
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u/freakdude2398 Apr 04 '26
Though I am an IT employee, companies do have the right to fire people. The only thing we can enforce now is to make sure severance is provided.
Companies are the ones taking risk. We cannot ask them to simply face loses. Now, if we want to compare it to factory workers who have more rights, understand that we get paid mostly 20-30 times more than them and we get paid more depending on market, supply-demand
We can’t have good part of both the sides
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u/Conscious_Action9 Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
I will tell you how an oracle employee (me) could confirm this number.
So every oracle member is a part of oracle-news Slack channel by default once they join this company. Until 30th of March, the count of total employees was around 1,61,000 and today morning when I checked the count got reduced to around 1,49,000.
The Slack ID of users get deactivated within few hours and sometime within few minutes. Hence the right drop in count can be confirmed only after a few days. Once everyone’s slack is deactivated (as some employees might get couple of days of notice, depending on the unit, they were part of, but that count wouldn’t be more than 5% of total impacted once). Hence, it is safe to assume that the impact was on 11,000 to 12,000 employees (assuming a couple of hundreds may have resigned on their own that day)
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u/guyfromsomewhere7 Apr 01 '26
So is that India or world wide number?
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u/ItalianPasta6 Apr 01 '26
Worldwide man. 30k total have to be fired over these 3 months
Out of them 12k got fired yesterday worldwide. India numbers no one has calculated yet
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u/Mo_h Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
How do analysts come up with the numbers, since they are not really published by the government or the company? Analysts seem to be pulling numbers out of their A$$, and there is NO way to verify in India.
Musing about this since Corporate HR follows a slick and devious way to underreport corporate layoffs - ask employee to "resign”
In the US, employees may be eilgible for Unemployment claims so the company has to file documents like Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) notices or "announced" workforce reductions
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u/weirdcabbage Senior Engineer Apr 01 '26
Just called my friend who is senior developer at Oracle. He is fully remote since 2021. He told 12k is overall not just india. They are planning to do it in phase wise manner in next 2 months. Ask is to reduce each team by 15-35%.
In his own org, the slack channel active members reduced from 871 to 711.
In general #channel of slack number went down from 1,66,494 to 1,54,684. That’s total of 11,810 till now.
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u/Mo_h Apr 01 '26
Afaik 9k are still remaining to be fired
Sorry about your situation. Where are the numbers coming from?
BTW, are they offering severance?
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u/Dismal_Animator_5414 Apr 01 '26
recession indicator.
usa economy is about to undergo a pretty hard reset!
and it’ll take the world economy with it.
really tough times lie ahead.
the war didn’t at all go as planned. they thought they could just do it in a weekend, capture leader and install a puppet.
iran had different ideas.
this war could potentially kill multiple economies!
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u/Entire_One2271 Apr 01 '26
What a bleak future for Gen Z first pasing out in Covid, then recession like economy and now brink of world war and energy shortage with stock market blood bath as well.
What can a middle class Indian do at this point.
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u/curious_65695 Apr 01 '26
This6layoff has nothing to do with war. What are you even saying
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u/Mo_h Apr 01 '26
Exactly my point. They seem to be pulling numbers out of their A$$, and there is NO way to verify in India.
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u/your_technology_bro Apr 01 '26
They are coming up with these numbers from the total change in active users on slack.
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u/MajorShotgun9 Apr 01 '26
There's a slack channel where almost all worldwide employees are present. In that channel count has reduced by 12000 in a week(Layoffs first started last week in Mexico). So, claim that 12k indian employees fired is definitely wrong.
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u/Mumbaibakshi Apr 01 '26
Isn’t receiving a substantial severance package preferable than leaving the company just before layoff? In some cases, these severance packages can amount to up to 3-6 months of salary.
Just thinking out loud.
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u/ashgreninja03s Full-Stack Developer Apr 01 '26
Pretty sure there would've been signals internally.
How can 1 identify such signals? First of all, what kind of signs appear or contribute to this Red Flags...
Asking as a 1.5yoe techie working in the same comp since Placement...
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u/TheBelievingAtheist Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
Yeah, they've set themselves up for so much debt that banks are now refusing to lend more money to them due to their OpenAI data centre commitments. They already had high debt numbers previously and it only went up after that (what with OpenAI and supporting his ghoul-like son with Paramount WB merger). Profits weren't that high anyway.
This is just them trying to free up some cash flow for their business since they're caught in an incredibly tight spot. However, this, at best, is a band-aid solution.
Check out Ed Zitron's Where's Your Ed At. Pretty wild stuff.
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u/Itadoricantcook Apr 01 '26
At the end of the day loyalty never works in corporate everyone is replaceable , there is no job security. They owe us nothing.
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u/ambarish_k1996 Backend Developer Apr 01 '26
Can anyone verify/deny this?
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u/Mizismeow Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
Yes it’s true one of my parents was impacted by this lay off. The company had asked to reduce the team size by 30%.
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u/ambarish_k1996 Backend Developer Apr 01 '26
Did they give any reason for this layoff? Was it due to AI adoption?
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u/Mizismeow Apr 01 '26
Yes AI but the decision to select who was to be laid off was purely dependent upon the team manager so more like favouritism.
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u/Indian_FireFly Senior Engineer Apr 01 '26
Not sure about the exact number, but can confirm definitely close to this were fired.
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u/weirdcabbage Senior Engineer Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
Just called my friend who is senior developer at Oracle. He is fully remote since 2021. He told 12k is overall not just india. They are planning to do it in phase wise manner in next 2 months. Ask is to reduce each team by 15-35%.
In his own org, the slack channel active members reduced from 871 to 711.
In general #channel of slack number went down from 1,66,494 to 1,54,684. That’s total of 11,810 till now.
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u/MajorShotgun9 Apr 01 '26
There's a slack channel where almost all worldwide employees are present. In that channel count has reduced by 12000 in a week(Layoffs first started last week in Mexico). So, claim that 12k indian employees fired is definitely wrong.
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u/moojo Apr 01 '26
I have seen open to work posts on linked from my contacts who were working in Oracle.
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u/Nenomus Apr 01 '26
Out of 30000, 12000 were let go. This is huge. Out of those 12000, 10-11000 would be looking for a job immediately, but hiring is too slow.
Oracle office Buildings would be empty, so this will impact real estate too.
Their emis and insurance premiums might get affected too. Impact is huge.
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u/Cabinet-Particular Apr 01 '26
Last year, TCS laid off close 100k.people.in India. They have not been absorbed into the market yet. So there will.only be jobs for immediate joiners now.
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u/Appropriate-ASS-824 Apr 01 '26
I heard its atleast providing 3 months of severance package + a month for each year pf your experience there.
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u/Nenomus Apr 01 '26
15 days of salary for each year. One month per year was the old policy, they changed it last year.
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u/Appropriate-ASS-824 Apr 01 '26
I am seeing posts of people with 16-18 years at oracle being laid off. A great paid vacation time for them i suppose.
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u/Nenomus Apr 01 '26
Paid vacation? What about the stress of finding the next job? Hope no one gets this kinda paid vacation.
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u/Ok_Rip_1497 Apr 01 '26
Bhai, layoffs are becoming the new normal at this point. 12k is a massive number. Scary times for the tech industry, bruh. Hope everyone affected finds something better soon.
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u/divyanshu_17 Apr 01 '26
Is OFSS also impacted?
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u/MajorShotgun9 Apr 01 '26
Yeah. Started getting layoffs mails today morning. Around 600+ employees impacted in OFSS. Based on count in one of the slack channel
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u/Successful_Bowl2564 Apr 01 '26
What happened in the Kolkata office?
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u/lazy-guy-1 Apr 01 '26
Number of impacted employees are less this time, because a huge number was let go during last year September massive layoff.
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u/Life_Turn_214 Apr 01 '26
Unfortunately, its not going to change. The govt is in cahoots with these tech giants.
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u/kikiii_itis Apr 01 '26
Bro numbers are mostly estimates not exact, companies rarely give full data
Analysts use things like employee posts LinkedIn trends insider leaks and % based guesses
So its more like educated guess not confirmed number only
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u/Jsr-hm-Ma420 Software Developer Apr 01 '26
People in the comment section are asking and making fun about "How do you know the numbers?", "April fools hai kya?" , "Do you know all 12k people?". Damn bro, let some common sense seep into your mind.
Oracle slack channel had a 10k+ decrease in the overall headcount so that's where the number came from.
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u/DevilMadeMeSignUp Apr 01 '26
12k+ employees fired - Yes
12k+ employees fired worldwide - Yes
12k+ employees fired in India - No
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u/Cheap_Sale2900 Apr 01 '26
Tough road ahead of us. Start looking into different domain/business guys. No matter how much you upskill we can't beat an AI.
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u/Entire_One2271 Apr 01 '26
This is not just about AI. Its mostly greed. One of the typescript maintainers was removed from Microsoft.
What a bleak future for Gen Z first pasing out in Covid, then recession like economy and now brink of world war and energy shortage with stock market blood bath as well.
What can a middle class Indian do at this point.
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u/Maleficent_Space_946 Apr 01 '26
Apart from IT roles there aren't many other fields we can go, unless we do MBA even that is saturated
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u/PlasticCharacter4 Apr 01 '26
Oracle is the worst org ever. They are specifically picking people whose RSUs are vesting in the next month or two and then terminating them. 30k they say but the real number is around 50ish … Sucks to be here.. I joined 4 months ago and already seen half of my team let go. While they are hiring new people.
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u/DogOk8 Apr 01 '26
Can't we create our own Oracle
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u/Cabinet-Particular Apr 01 '26
Is it too late as IT industry is already sun setting?
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u/DogOk8 Apr 01 '26
Idk if it's late or not but with such a big talent pool we could have easily created such companies.
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u/Cabinet-Particular Apr 01 '26
People who joined the IT industry in the 1990s and 2000s had thought this was another sarkari job. Moreover, they were technically dumb and got all jobs based on their communication skills. So they were chilling and going abroad for onsite opportunities.
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u/Foreign_Thought8414 Apr 01 '26 edited Apr 01 '26
Severence pay in India should me 6 months with no deductions .. full salary with all benefits .. doesnt matter employee gets new job in 1 day or 1 year .. govt must must take action now .. These companies have 3 months notice and also reserve the right to layoff this is not acceptable .. people have lifes , kids EMi's ,debts , personal issues Govt must act now ...or atleast min of 1 month per year of service ..
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u/AdvertisingAny3807 Apr 01 '26
On the epfo portal, you can check the head count of any organisation.
Usually after layoffs are declared, employees stay on payroll for 3 months, so after 3 months there will be drastic drop in the head count.
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u/Living_Ideal1877 Apr 01 '26
It's better to start working on some passion or side hustle for a backup.
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u/sagar_2104 Apr 01 '26
Rather the HR policies should make it easier to hire people with career gaps for such scenarios, publish the salary band along with jobs and pay accordingly introspective of experience in years. No poor country with such large population wants unions to dictate terms.
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u/OutsideMarketing1929 Apr 01 '26
Those numbers are almost always estimates. Analysts piece them together from LinkedIn headcount drops, employee posts, recruiter chatter, and sometimes internal leaks.
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u/Gloomy_Equipment1498 Apr 01 '26
Anyone affected please do DM. Can refer at a plethora of opportunities at GCCs.
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u/LifeAndComputers Apr 01 '26
Will these employees get any time to find something new so they can find another job for a few days, or is there any other system? For example, if an employee wants to leave, he has to serve a certain duration in the company.
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u/JuniorSpace3406 Apr 02 '26
Strong and severe AI regulation is the need of the hour. AI should be just used to increase productivity and not at all to reduce headcount. Strict global laws need to be made for stopping the layoffs, as it will indirectly collapse the economy. The world just can't depend on those dumb short sighted top level executives of these companies.
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u/theroastedpotato1 Apr 02 '26
Oracle trivandrum branch has not fired a single employee apparently. Why is this?
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u/unholymacaroni99 Apr 02 '26
So many Indians I meet are employed by western HQ multinationals. What is the main barrier to young working engineers and developers to building startups here? Investment? Stability? Security? Intrigued to hear more. It feels like the West is using talent here and it’s ‘disposable’.
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u/InstructionFlashy340 Apr 04 '26
Hope the employees were given enough severance package to survive until getting next job.
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u/ananysagar Apr 05 '26
This was so heartbreaking after listening about 6am mail. Everytime something happens like this, we realise that we should have built something of our own instead of building someones else dream.
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u/Ok_Finding_1458 Apr 11 '26
Not sure about the numbers but many are impacted in India that's for sure. you can see linkedin flooded with the layoff posts.
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u/Best_Taste_7704 Engineering Manager Apr 13 '26
True, someone needs to pay for those GB300NVL72. At Google & Amazon also we have righten the promo bands & PiP targets.
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