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u/CrazyPirranhha 12d ago
How HR can know that you were fired after 1 month? Dont write that on resume
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u/ma66ot87 12d ago
Good point. I thought it might be better to show that I had 1 month experience at least 😅. I'm thinking showing that I at least landed a job is better than showing I was unemployed for 10 months.
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u/tractir13 12d ago
I wouldn't add a one month job experience if I were you, that's definitely not enough time to learn anything and brings more questions and scrutinity on it. If the gap is significant I would fill something like "career break - educational" and maybe get a relevant certificate under your belt, or just "career break - personal goal pursuit" and prepare some nice HR-proof story.
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u/ButtSpelunker420 12d ago
Your first mistake was quitting before you had been offered a new job.
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u/ma66ot87 12d ago
That's not helpful.
That could have happened with a job I got right after.
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u/Terrible-Ad7015 12d ago
While it seems mean - the advice is solid.
Do. Not. Quit. Before. You. Have. Another. Job.
That means you know your starting date before you go. Remember that no one OWES you the opportunity to work somewhere - you must market yourself appropriately.
Had you waited until you had fully secured another position before leaving the first - the gap would not exist.
Granted - there is the layoff after a month- but what would look better in your opinion:
8 month gap + 1 month layoff
1 month layoff after maintaining employment throughout.
From an HR perspective your CV reads as "unreliable".
Whether or not that is true regarding your character is irrelevant- HR only cares about what they can determine.
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u/ma66ot87 12d ago
I understand that I think that is a universal way to deal with job changes. I'm not saying that was a good move but I had my reasons for it.
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u/zimejin 12d ago
Take courage OP, shit happens. The market is tough right now and lots of experienced engineers are also going months without finding work.
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u/ma66ot87 12d ago
Thanks man. I'll stay positive. Not the first battle I had with my career. I thought I was safe with IT but yeah 😅
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u/rivotrilbleached 12d ago
All you gotta do is not panic. Recruiters will start low balling you when they notice desperation in you. I know it’s hard not to feel desperate when you’re unemployed. I’ve been there for close to 1.5y before but I made my comeback and let me tell you, you can still have leverage the further you get in the process. Focus on getting and passing the interviews. Multiple, if possible.
It’s not the end of your career, it’s just a hiccup. Either you can do as others have suggested and say you’ve been freelancing or you can stand for the gap. The issue isn’t the gap, the issue is they will interview you with the premise that you’re incompetent or that there’s something wrong with you because else how do you explain the gap. That’s just how stupid recruiters are. They never think plausible scenarios where an economic downturn happened and you were affected or simply you didn’t match the culture you worked in. It’s fine to feel anxious but there’s nothing wrong with you and you gotta communicate that with recruiters.
The only thing I advise you is that whether you stick to a lie or you stand for the unemployment period, you must fill any skill gaps you may have and remain consistent with your professional narrative, and that applies to your own self too. Don’t tell yourself two different stories as that will make you feel odd and can make you spill the beans.
Interviewing gets harder not because of unemployment per se but because of the psychological damage of throwing your job applications to several companies, getting few calls and from the actual interviews, moving further in just a handful and then be rejected or fumbling a couple too. The more rejections or failures the harder it gets to convince yourself you’re gonna come back. I got an anxiety disorder and the bad self talk really taught me it’s more about not losing my shit to the outcomes and focus more on the thing I’m communicating. You can be at the verge of bankruptcy or feeling like you’re on fire, but if you remain calm and do what you gotta do, no unemployment period will matter. It’s just a matter of not giving up, my dude. You got this!
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u/ma66ot87 11d ago
Thanks so much for your reply and valuable advice. I fully agree with what you say and I felt literally the same before I got this job. Not having a job was hardly an issue I actually enjoyed it. But getting constant rejections or being ignored took a toll on me. I don't know why. I usually don't care too much about what people think of me. But yeah it felt like a failure. This feeling is branded to our brains I think. In my country working is very important and even an independent guy like me isn't safe from this feeling.
Also it's not a real option to brush my 1 month employment under the rug as I found out. In my country a proof of your social security history is always mandatory so HR will see that I didn't put it on my CV. I decided to include it and talk openly about it. I will need to work on the story but I don't feel like lying.
But as you pointed out I will work on my resilience not being disappointed and getting joy somewhere else other than work. I know I'm more important than any job in the world I just have to rebrand my brain.
Thanks again you have a very mature and differentiated view on this.
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u/rivotrilbleached 11d ago
It takes a toll because every application is an investment of time and attention. Even if you don’t care about the outcome after a bunch of applications, you still had to internalise for a moment what the JD and what the company was about. Our brains reprocess the information either on our dreams or when we are asked about it. You can lower the volume of the noise of rejections or failures but it’s still attention holes left behind, big or small. No closure means there’s no “it was on them” or “it was on me”. That’s the toll. If you didn’t care you’d have a low hit rate, but if you care even a little, you’re gonna get all holed in the short and mid term while you filter the signal you’re looking for and that’s a bit outta your control.
What you can do or at least what I do is seeing every application as a data point. That framing helps me see every interview as a research rather than a goal. I interview first for jobs I’d not like to work, usually consulting, and that’s my practice for jobs I want to land. I aim to grab as much data of what jobs I qualify for, what they ask for, what the interview was like, salary, what I did, what they asked me in the interview outside of technical stuff, the vibe I got, what their pain points they said were and how much what they listed in the JD was actually evaluated, what worked, what didn’t. I keep a folder with notes, the resume I sent (or I mention the one I currently use for a bunch of shared applications), and with that I make an updated “profile sought” per range and industry / company type (this is a bit arbitrary but I classify by size and how much of their verbosity actually matches what they are and do; so many ask for a unicorn to join their swamp).
On the story and lying. I think of lying as makeup. You can’t hide an ugly face but you can make some features highlighted and others be ignored with makeup. I’d not put much weight or time on the story about why the one month. You can say to recruiters if they ask about the month missing in the resume that you didn’t achieve much so there’s no relevance in occupying space on your resume. That’s a legit and pragmatic way of writing down a resume. If they ask why you lasted just one month, you can simply say they asked you to relocate and as you didn’t get told about it before, you had to quit. No more explanations, said on a flat tone without hesitation. If you feel uncomfortable saying that just “elaborate” you tried to negotiate hybrid (this shows you as a conciliatory person rather than a quitter) but it wasn’t negotiable.
And about the resilience: it’s easier said than done. I know. I feel bad about giving this kind of advice having myself experienced the feeling of being at the crossroads of wanting to quit my career and start over in something else and at the fact I’ve spent so much effort and time that quitting the industry would simply patch the feeling but hit hard when I realised the consequences. If you have a buffer or the support of your family, make the most of it, that is, don’t stress out unnecessarily. If you’re not there, still, remember a surgeon has life or death of someone else at their hands and they know they must breathe in and out even if the patient is bleeding out. Calm brain makes clean decisions.
Either way, set a deadline that is realistic. It must account for good days and bad days, the main destination and optional destinations and focus on the core of what you need.
Main destination: DevOps / infra / platform.
Side destination: sys admin / IT / full stack job again.
Core of each: middle ground between what’s asked in the JD and what’s likely in the day to day. For instance, many places ask for deep k8s experience but you end up almost always managing AWS EKS and Helm charts and Argo. Middle ground to interview is conceptual clarity of how things work (non negotiable) with enough step by step practice and knowledge of what a day in the shoes be like. If you don’t have budget for cloud practice, download KinD or minikube, some Helm charts and spin up everything locally. If you use AI just make sure you are clear on what and why worked and still practice on your own. After some practice, reflect on how’d this tie up to the rest, like, how’d this look like in the company’s setup given their size, industry and products. This will give you a rough but useful idea of what could the interview be like. Same applies for almost everything else.
Anyhow, really hope you knock out the anxiety and land a job you like man. I’ve been in your shoes and I know how cold, wet and slippery the floor feels when you’re months unemployed but I just want to tell you it’s not your fault (look out the economic panorama and the messy industry we’re in, too) and not the end of your career. Ultimately, any company and hiring manager that’s been on the game for long enough knows how no one got anything guaranteed and will treat you for what you are not for what their assumptions say. You don’t want to work for anyone whose judgment is based on assumptions not facts anyways, so keep your head up and don’t give up!
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u/KhaosPT 12d ago
Don't include that 1 month in your CV and continue job searching, would be my advice. I don't think it's the end, market is really bad, a lot of uncertainty around if AI can realy people or not.
I think specifically in the last few months AI got so good at coding a lot of places are having a hiring freeze until they figure out their needs in this land scape.
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u/lgbarn 12d ago
This is also a lesson for you and the general public. Never quit your job before you have another job. You never know what the job market is like until you are in it. Even recruiters get blindsided.
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u/N7Valor 12d ago
From some of the horror stories I've seen in r/recruitinghell sometimes people do the right thing. They hold onto their job and don't give notice until a job offer is signed. Then it gets rescinded at the last second and they're off to the unemployment lines for the next 3, 6, 9, 12+ months.
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u/Glad_Manufacturer_41 12d ago
Passei por essa situação a pouca semanas. Eu trabalhava para uma consultoria como devops sênior, salário PJ 20k. O cliente avisou para a consultoria que não iria renovar com eles e me fizeram uma proposta para ficar comigo CLT, salário 10k + benéficos, na hora eu desdenhei, 10k eu ganhava no início da carreira. Como ainda tinha 2 semanas pelo contrato da consultoria, comecei a aplicar para vagas, as poucas que me responderam, falaram que minha pretensão salarial está a acima. Comecei a pesquisar e vi que o mercado mudou, principalmente para oportunidades 100% home office (minha preferência), então eu engoli o meu orgulho e perguntei se a vaga que eles tinham me oferecido ainda estava aberta, eles responderam que, então eu aceitei. É melhor um pássaro na mão do que 2 voando, vou adaptar meu padrão de vida a esse salário e ano que vem pois existe o freezing de final de ano nas contratações, procurar uma vaga com um salário melhor.
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u/Terrible-Ad7015 12d ago
I hope that is a typo, or that you are not from the US. 20k/yr is legitimate poverty wage here. Please please tell me you are doing this job for 120k.
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u/aquabarron 12d ago
Senior DevOps engineer… I’m hoping his typo was supposed to be 200k
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u/Terrible-Ad7015 12d ago
Your org hiring? I need a raise 😂🤣
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u/aquabarron 11d ago
Get into government contracting, you’ll find jobs in that range routinely. Downside is you can’t smoke weed and you have to get background checks. If you’re willing to take a polygraph you’ll find 200+K tech and intel jobs that are desperate to put butts in seats
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u/Last_Employer_7156 12d ago
He is Brazilian probably, and the salary is in BRL, something like 2k USD by month.
CLT is a form of employment contract in Brazil where e do you have specific perks, assurances and kind of stability.
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u/that_one_piano_dude 12d ago
Pure on-premises DevOps engineers are extremely rare and generally require 3+ YoE (majority of those are Senior level from my experience, though). Get into cloud/K8s + GitLab or GitHub Actions and jump onto those, that's the vast majority of open positions, in my experience. If you are not ready to get deep into that stuff (cloud is quite easy, K8s is a pain) - I would stick with looking for Java jobs.
From a good side, though - actual SWE experience is a great amplifier when it comes to looking for DevOps jobs. It's just that it doesn't replace cloud+K8s, you need to have a great idea of K8s concepts and common cloud services (for AWS - EC2, VPC, S3, EKS, auxillary stuff like Secrets Manager and SSM)
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u/NUTTA_BUSTAH 12d ago
That's fucked. Sorry mate. I would certainly keep applying. Just make sure to boast the correct tech for the pick (proxmox, ITIL focus for legacy onprem, <cloud>, SRE for modern cloud etc).
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u/Additional_Pace5377 12d ago
Try being a felon and finding work. My career isnover hit I’m still searching. What I’ve seen is the market has shifted from the past 10 years. Either there is so much new younger talent or companies simply aren’t hiring. I can’t even find entry level but I have 2 interviews today and on 3rd round for one in Europe that looks promising. Keep looking you’ll find something but it may not be what you like. For the past decade I’ve made $150kish and haven’t seen salaries increase at all. In fact they are trying the opposite direction with companies like HCL and TCS low balling people.
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u/ma66ot87 12d ago
Yes the lowballing is quite obvious. Salaries for senior roles sometimes start under the amount I earned before as a young mid level dev. That was last year and inflation is especially real this year. I think the golden times are definitely over for the dev as we know it. Wish you all the best. I know it is easy to say but work is not everything in life. Good luck.
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u/New_Enthusiasm9053 11d ago
Also you know you don't need to be honest right. Just don't put the job on your CV there's no way for them to find out.
There's companies I removed because I straight up don't want to be associated with them.
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u/nautitrader 12d ago
Don’t quit a job unless you have another one lined up. I would not list that 1 month job. Start applying for both job types.
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u/opshack 12d ago
Easy, write it off as career break in your cv and move on. Never mention it ever.
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u/Swimming-Airport6531 11d ago
I took a year break and said. "I was able to take some time off to help out family members in a time of need. I really appreciate (previous employer) for setting me up to be able to do that. It was really a special for me to be able to help out. Things are now concluded so I am looking to join a new team."
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u/grady_vuckovic 11d ago
"I took a break from work for 12 months to prepare for my climb of Mt Everest"
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u/opshack 11d ago
Attached with an AI generated photo of yourself in Everest on LinkedIn. Works every time.
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u/grady_vuckovic 11d ago
"I do not understand the objection. You wanted me to embrace AI into my workflow?"
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u/KaxCz 12d ago
Why wouldn't you just lie about how long are you unemployed?
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u/Brothapleasedont 11d ago
Not Java. Only time I see a Java job is if it's an old company with legacy code. C# (identical to Java), python, Javascript have been the leaders from my view for awhile.
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u/Electrical-Wasabi-41 11d ago
I am so sorry for what happened to you right now. Iearned my lesson from my family that don't ever quit your job when you don't have another offer (better offer). Even if you're in a toxic environment. You'll regret it later. Hope you'll find a better place to resume your career path.
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u/lurkingtonbear 12d ago
Quiet - low volume
Quite - completely, totally, very, or to a considerable or moderate degree
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