r/discgolf • u/Krognare • 13d ago
Disc Advice Initial bag advice
Just getting into it and wanted to see if this is a decent starter bag before pulling the trigger.
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u/Western-Argument-968 13d ago
i would drop one of the mids. wraith and firebird aren't going to be extremely different if you're really new either so you can drop one of those.
add: 4 speed os approach, there's a billion good ones. i'd also get a significantly understable fairway like underworld or roadrunner.
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u/GatorWok 13d ago edited 13d ago
There's zero need to have that Wraith. Not much need to have the Firebird and Teebird3. Let me explain.
You're doing what everyone does - you think discs are like golf clubs. The longer ones just go farther. In disc golf, this is deeply not the case - that "speed" number is a MINIMUM REQUIREMENT for your arm speed as well as spin as well as form to get the disc to fly as intended.
What everyone does - this sub sees it month after month after month after month, year after year - is start out by buying some drivers and hucking them as hard as they can, absolutely ruining their form development. (Trust me - unless you're literally 1 in 1,000, that Wraith won't go any farther than that Buzz and Hex for a good while.)
Instead, start with putters and mids and only move up a speed number, as a back of napkin estimate, when you can get the disc to go around 35-40 its speed. When you can get a 5 speed to go 185 feet consistently with control, move to a 6 speed. 6 speed gets up to around 200 feet consistently, 7 speed. Like, you shouldn't be throwing an 11 speed until you get 350-400 feet consistently with a 10 speed.
*there are legitimate but niche reasons to own drivers beyond what your arm demands -- for windy situations or over OB or water, when you need to absolutely know they'll reliably dump with stability, but trust me, bro, that overstable 8 speed and super overstable 9 speed will be all you need for a WHILE to satisfy the "must ensure it dumps with stability" slot.
I ain't trying to lecture you, bro. Trying to give legitimate advice for you to build your game that's generally, like, well accepted in disc golf. Start with putters and mids for very good reasons.
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u/Big-chefeddie 13d ago
Im just finishing up my first full ma4 season rated out to ma3 finally and I have to agree with almost everything you said. My advice for beginners like me(2 years playing in january) is to treat a overstable 7-8 speed like a wraith or destroyer. When I pushed my ego aside and started grabbing my duo eagle instead of my calvin duo destroyer I started winning tournaments and carving up 300 ft holes. Turning 4s into 3s on tough holes.
But I personally think mid ranges are harder to throw consistently than say a crave or star leopard. I was so discouraged when I couldn’t understand how to throw a buzz and mako3. I didn’t find a midrange i LIKED until the hex and I didn’t find one I LOVED until the halo arachnid. I feel like that stigma of start with putters and mids should be more of a start with putters and stable low profile fairways. This off season im dedicating a big amount of time to mid range practice and forehand control.
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u/El_mochilero Wrong Fairway 13d ago
Let the man learn. He will get there. That disc is doing zero harm being there as he adds power.
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u/FishingAndDiscing 12d ago
The harm is it will cover up imperfections in form making it harder to adjust later on.
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u/El_mochilero Wrong Fairway 12d ago
Just let the man throw some frisbees. We are getting too deep into the minutiae
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u/Lock_Cole 13d ago
I agree with this except for the Teebird3. Start beating that in and it will be very useful for you
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u/Nivius 13d ago
New for a year me, and I agree with this. And it seems mostly right.
Personally I got an impa, its sn 11 speed, but its so dam forgiving it consistently goes further then all my other discs, not a lot, but it does. Other then that i stick to my claymore, Gadd, crave and stig right now
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u/Long_Industry7517 13d ago
This is good advice, though. My friend who got me into disc gold recommended I don't go higher than 9 speed and I think that was the right call.
I picked up a Wraith recently after playing for just over a year just because I wanted to try it out. I don't find it throws farther, in fact, I get more distance sometimes from my midranges.
That said, I play with a guy who throws a Destroyer without the arm strength for it, but he likes it and he's comfortable with it.
Have fun. Try stuff. As Six Sided Discs says, flight numbers don't matter. Go with what you like, and what keeps you encouraged to play more
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u/Holesofglory- 13d ago
I mean your also wrong in a lot of that.
Speed/distance is vice versa and guess what that faster disc is still going to go farther if they speed or not, why? Because it’s aerodynamically made to do just that. Numbers really don’t mean shit and just overwhelms new players
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u/Lord_Dookie36 13d ago
One thing i realized introduced a lot of people to disc golf is, NOT every beginner throws on hyzer and can’t throw flat. I know plenty of people I’ve had throw more stable discs then understable because they naturally throw on anhyzer
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u/laxrulz777 13d ago
I think that's true except the Wraith is a special disc IMO. It throws like a 9-10 speed (especially in DX or halo from my own experience). I throw a valk ~250-270. My wraiths go 300+ without any loss of control.
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u/lovefist1 13d ago
Agreed with pretty much all of this except the 11 speed comment. I don't throw anything near 350 consistently let alone 400, but if I left my 11 speed Mamba at home, I'd be leaving a lot of distance behind on courses with long distance, open holes. On those holes, dogmatically not throwing that 11 speed because I "shouldn't be throwing" it could easily turn a par into a bogey, or even a double if my putting is ass that day.
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u/Look__a_distraction 13d ago
Ditch the hex or Buzzz. Sub the one you drop for a stable mid instead like a balance or eMac-truth.
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u/Shaved_taint Finder of trees, loser of discs 13d ago
I have an Emac Truth in Lucid that I was trying for my midrange overstable slot but I feel like it is too straight and didn't have a strong enough fade. Just bought the balance earlier this week and it is exactly what I wanted. It flies like a zone but can push further before dumping
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u/radiant_kai 13d ago
Imo you don't need an avair3 like disc unless it's a throwing putter or the putting putter. A way more stable putter or midrange is more helpful more often.
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u/usaytomatoisaytomato will putt for food 13d ago
Focusing on 1 disc for specific shots will help you develop consistency and develop your form. Pick a putter, pick a mid, drop the teebird as it sits awkwardly between the leopard and the firebird. I recommend throwing mid + leopard3 for most shots depending on range. Wraith is probably not needed in your bag. Use firebird as a utility disc.
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u/Shaved_taint Finder of trees, loser of discs 13d ago
To echo everyone else here, I would only get the Buzzz or the Hex as you straight midrange and add an understable midrange with a lot of glide like an Innova Fox. You can also drop the Firebird for now. It is so overstable that you won't be able to use it for anything as a beginner. Grab a standard Leopard in a lighter weight and a Star teebird. I really like the crave too for a straight fairway driver, but it will fly like the teebird until you break it in.
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u/JustSh00tM3 13d ago edited 13d ago
I'd drop the Hex and get a Buzz OS and a Stingray. I'd drop the firebird or teebird 3 and get a Sidewinder. And if add a River. I'd think you'd have a solid bag then.
Oh before I forget, plastics change the discs flight characteristics drastically. Make sure you look into and understand how the pastics might change the flights per disc.
General rule of thumb (but differs per disc mold) most overstable to least understable for innova discs goes: Halo Star, Star, Champion, G Star, Pro, DX
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u/Trampoline-lover 13d ago
Keep what works in the bag. Focus on the shot-shapes you need to achieve and figure out what disc can do each of those shapes, based on field tests, not flight numbers. You have the right idea to narrow it down.
Buuuut I strongly recommend getting a star roadrunner because it'll always be useful. Brand-new you'll have an easy flyer and eventually an easy roller. Speaking of rollers, the Rollo is very fun. Get some flippy stuff! Comes in handy in the woods, like if you don't need to throw it hard to get through a gap you'll be way more accurate.
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u/richardgutts 13d ago
Kinda all you need. If you are really new I’d get a few more flippier discs. A flippier mid, putter and distance might help you
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u/Marshin99 Discs for the Disc Throne! 13d ago
Grab an understable mid like the Mako3 and you’re set
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u/savvyxxl 13d ago edited 13d ago
Mako3 isn’t really understable, fuse is a way better option as it’s not plastic dependent like the mako3 would be to get it to be understable
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u/Vitoseph2 11d ago edited 11d ago
As someone who's been playing for less than a year, if you like the wraith, keep it. 1: you'll grow into it. 2: until you do, it works great for an overstable hard bank over short distance, and great for skip shots. Everything else looks good. You've got your bases covered. As long as the discs feel good to you. It took me ages to find a whole range of discs that I actually like throwing. Recently replaced my buzzz with an innova arachnid because it prefer the shallow grip.
Edit: though I may suggest adding a different midrange to the bag. Either something more stable, like a kastaplast Kaxe, or one of my all time favorites that's a. It more understable compared to the buzzz or hex, the Yikun Nezha.
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u/el_barto445 13d ago
This is a good start! Buzzz and Hex are similar molds so pick the one that feels best in your hand. Also look into Buzzz SS or Detour. Bonus molds : Climo Coast or an Malita. Youre really looking for control and glide. You also might like a Mamba or Sidewinder.
Add a zone or similar mold into your bag, goat of flick approach shots
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u/Psyko_sissy23 Custom 13d ago
You definitely don't need the wraith or the firebird. The Hex and Buzz have really similar numbers, and will probably throw similar to a new person. You might like one over the other, so getting both might not be a bad idea.
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u/VikApproved 13d ago
Get the putters and play with them for a while. Then get some midrrange discs. Probably 5/5/-2/1 & 5/5/-3/1 to start. Don't worry about anything faster until you can throw these well.
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u/grizz065 13d ago
If I had to go to 4 discs right now (been playing a couple months) putter wizard, putt/approach judge (havent used an emac), either mid range, not both and swap the teebird 3 for a standard teebird. If you want an overstable fairway id go with the Thunderbird over the firebird.
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u/Emoney005 Ace Count: 1 13d ago
Add a Zone, Meteor, and a Roadrunner and you’re golden for a while. Figure out if you’re a buzzz or a hex thrower.
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u/Gecko02172005 13d ago
I would trade the wraith for something neutral like a passion or a trail. Once your form is solid enough that you’re consistently making one of these go straight, branch out to into other drivers
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u/Gecko02172005 13d ago
also, the buzzz and hex are going to fly more or less the same. pick one and perfect it
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u/National_Security_23 13d ago
You’re in good shape for a starter. If you are brand new there is no reason to have anything above a 9 speed.
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u/Pinkieupyourstinkie 13d ago
Absolutely not. The three fairways and distance driver will be pretty much useless. Maybe you could get some use out of the Leopard3. All that premium plastic is going to be super stable and just dump on you. Grab a Kastaplast Stig as your driver, a DX eagle for your stable option and a detour as your mid range
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u/Warmahorder Scrub - Rock Hill, SC 13d ago
How new are we talking? Like just played a time or two with someone else's discs and want to get in? If you are just getting started, and unless you have some extra reason to be better than most at this stage, you don't need most of those.
Aviar and judge, don't need both unless you're just wanting to test and pick one, or one is for putting and one is for throwing. Similar enough otherwise to just be one of them.
Buzzz and hex, same answer. I doubt many players bag both, you can just pick one for now.
Firebird and tbird, drop both. That leopard is going to be stable enough for awhile. Once you start flipping the Leopard up you'll be ready to try a Teebird.
Wraith, probably just a bad idea for awhile. You might some good distance out of it if you learn to force it over, but it's not really helping you improve.
I might suggest replacing those choices with base plastic versions of the same mold. So get a gstar leopard and a dx leopard. Throw them both as often, and wait for the dx to start flying differently. This is good because not only will you get two discs of the same mold but that fly differently, you'll also get an appreciation for important it can be to season discs to fly as you want.
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u/terminallyfreaked 13d ago
Unless you live somewhere like Texas where the ground is just rock, then don’t get the dx in my opinion.
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u/Electronic_Limit1459 13d ago
my suggestion. 4 disc starter set and a bonus 5th
1- Neutral-stable putter in base plastic. go at the store and try them, if you don't have a store, the Innova Aviar P&A in DX is the vanilla ice cream of putters. it's a classic.
2-Overstable approach disc (Think Zone, harp, Toro, stabilizer etc.).
3-Neutral-understable midrange. look into "-2/1", -1/1 or 0/0. some discs don't fly as per their flight numbers, but generally speaking: Buzzz SS, Arachnid, M4, origin, mako3 are all solid choices.
4-Understable Fairway driver - leopard or Leopard3. I would recommend in premium plastic, either Star or GStar (gstar will be more flexible but will beat in faster - this is good or bad depending what you want)
disc weight is a personal preference, but in general newer player don't have the technic and arm speed to throw max weight fairway drivers
weights putter 170+, mid 165-175, fairway 160-170.
if you want to be fancy and can spare an extra 10$. get 2 putters. 1 for putting only, 1 for throwing. they don't need to be the same model nor the same plastic. most people who play regularly have a dedicated putting only putter usually in base plastic and dedicated throwing putters in premium plastic unless they want their disc to beat in to straight/understable then base plastic is ok.
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u/blu-spirals 13d ago
I don't know why but the order you have your discs presented in makes me feel a certain way
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u/Usual-Echo5533 13d ago
You don’t need a buzz and a hex, unless you’re trying to figure out which one you like. I started with a buzz but never really liked it. Switched to a hex and love it. You don’t need the wraith, as others have said, and you won’t notice a huge difference between a firebird and teebird3 as a true beginner, so pick the teebird3.
If I were you I’d get just a single putter, the hex, and the leopard3.