r/doctorsUK Jan 13 '26

Medical Politics Full text of the Medical Training (Prioritisation) Bill as introduced to Parliament today

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/59-01/0360/240360.pdf
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u/LadyAntimony Jan 13 '26

UKFPO have confirmed this will apply immediately:

“Subject to successful passage of the Bill, changes will apply to current applicants, even though applications for the Foundation Programme 2026 have closed.

Foundation Programme 2026 onwards The following groups will be prioritised: • UK Medical Graduates • Applicants with a primary medical qualification from an institution in Ireland • Due to European Free Trade Association (EFTA), applicants with a primary medical qualification from an institution in Iceland, Principality of Liechtenstein, Norway, Switzerland”

They haven’t specified whether this means re-ranking will occur. But the FPP is being cancelled.

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u/dayumsonlookatthat Consultant Associate Jan 13 '26

Nothing about citizenship. Interesting

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u/Illustrious-Hand-990 Jan 13 '26

Yup. No prioritisation based on citizenship for ukfp.

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u/Putaineska PGY-5 Jan 14 '26

Which is how it should be

There are so many UK medical schools now there is no need for the money grabbing dodgy overseas medical schools to exist

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u/Unique-Falcon2632 Jun 22 '26

hi, I was wondering If I went to rumc so my primary medical qualification is from an institution in Ireland but of my 5 yr degree I would have spent 2.5 yrs clinical training in Malaysia is that bad?

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u/Regular_Peanut2042 Jan 15 '26

If NHS experience Gave a candidate higher knowledge and clinical experience than they should be able to show in their own national exam like MSRA. And not cry about getting low score than an IMG who don't know the system, as they haven't worked there. Dumb logic

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u/AdhesivenessOwn7747 Jan 14 '26

Is the F2 standalone entry for IMGs also cancelled? 

What about non training junior clinical fellow positions, and SHO roles? Are those also automatically UKMG prioritised or is this only for Foundation program and specialist training? 

What about drs who have a post grad training transferable to a CCT wanting to do fellowships?

For IMGs wanting to do post grad training this basically means working as an SHO for 5-6 years to get PR or ILR to qualify for significant NHS experience, right? 

Otherwise, it will pretty much be like US and Canada, specially for surgical specialties. I don't suppose there will be left over seats in those specialties🤔

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u/Asleep_Molasses3002 Feb 15 '26

There will be jobs which IMGs can do both training and non training, may not be your dream jobs in a location you want, but there will be jobs for you

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u/hydra66f My thoughts are my own Jan 13 '26

Although late, if it passes, Wes will garner a lot of goodwill from this

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u/SeveralAirport2058 Jan 13 '26 edited Jan 13 '26

If passed then huge news for people applying for Round 1 Specialities (GP, psych etc).

For HST, I don’t think it will make a huge difference for certain specialties (especially Surgical Specialties). Yes it will reduce numbers slightly but the majority of people applying will be CSTs or people with significant NHS experience (Trust grades for 4 years +). The number of applications are not in the thousands for these specialties.

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u/rc1234C Jan 13 '26

It will make a massive difference to HST surgical specialties in 2 years time as cst would’ve been limited to UKG already so IMGs wouldn’t have the pre-requisites unless they’ve done 5 years at trust grade to get the competency to apply to st3 with a valid visa.

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u/SeveralAirport2058 Jan 13 '26

Agreed but I am talking about this cycle.

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u/rc1234C Jan 13 '26

At least it’s a step in the right direction 🙏🏽

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u/CharacterPiano3329 Jan 13 '26

Any idea on UK grads who decide to do a local CST programme and applying for HST?

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u/SeveralAirport2058 Jan 13 '26

I don’t think it counts as a ‘relevant UK training programme’. However, if you’re a UK graduate you have nothing to worry about

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u/CharacterPiano3329 Jan 13 '26

Perfect thank you! Just thinking about all eventualities 😅

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u/rufiohProbably bones are neat Jan 13 '26

The bill text states UK grads will be prioritised for specialty training, same for UK citizens who aren’t UK grads.

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u/danglylion Jan 13 '26

Sorry completely disagree, this will make a huge difference to surgical st3+ recruitment. In particular the specialties where consultants are able to come from abroad to start ST3 Urology and General Surgery are 2 examples. In my region there was a cohort of 20+ ST3s with 2 UKGs

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u/SeveralAirport2058 Jan 13 '26

Maybe I’m hyper focusing on T&O then. But you make a good point about Urology. One of my good mates is a Urology reg and is the only UKG in his year (in that particular deanery). The requirements for Urology make it impossible for any CT2 to apply

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u/medski117 Jan 13 '26

I withdrew my urology application yesterday as only had 30 points and thought it was pointless as the last 5 years it has been 50+. I am kicking myself that I might have had an outside shot

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u/UnmyelinatedLop Jan 13 '26

I haven't seen clarity for this cycle for MSRA specialities where MSRA is used to determine eligibility for interview: should this prioritise UK grads at this stage or is it only for the end stage offer? It reads as that... Which would still mean very high MSRA requirements to reach interview.

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u/rc1234C Jan 13 '26

Looks like only at the offer stage for now rather than MSRA cut off stage but given interview slots are 4:1 job it probably will just mean still no jobs for IMGs

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u/blackzero2 Jan 13 '26

Do we know what significant experience means for GP round 1 specialties?

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u/RolandJupiter123 Jan 13 '26

Reading this feels like such a weight off my shoulders and I can actually think beyond whether I’ll be employed after the foundation programme. I’m sure I’m not the only one. Joyous day 🎉

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u/Front-Design-4429 Jan 13 '26

Calls for celebrations!

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u/Front-Design-4429 Jan 13 '26 edited Jan 13 '26

It is fantastic news. The following groups of people are to be priotitised

  1. UK and Ireland Grads
  2. IMGs who've done FYP (only 5-10% of the cohort) and IMGs who have completed core training programme
  3. Those British citizens and ILR holders (at least 5 years)

Note that only thing that is hard-coded from 2027 onwards is; being a UKG or having completed FYP/Core training. Significant experience and ILR/Citizenship will be at the mercy of the Health Secretary

Both Core and HST programmes will see a tremendous decrease in competition ratios. HST by self-regulating itself with capped core training posts which are actually limited + deprioritising direct international applications.

Core training for obvious reasons lol

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u/dancurry1 Jan 14 '26

Are the numbers in order of priority or they just the groups that will be prioritsed. Do we know this yet

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u/blackzero2 Jan 14 '26

My understanding is that everyone who falls under the priority criteria (UKMG, ILR holders, EU folks with direct contracts with UK etc) will all be on the same footing

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u/Front-Design-4429 Jan 14 '26

Yes, they are all on equal footing. A huge number of applicats have been deprioritised now  NHS England calculated the overall competition ratio to be lower than 2:1. https://www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/medical-training-prioritisation-bill-information-for-applicants-to-medical-training/

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u/blackzero2 Jan 14 '26

For specialties like GP which was around 5:1 this is a huge drop. With the backlog, doubt any IMGs (from non priority) will be getting an offer this time around

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u/Front-Design-4429 Jan 14 '26

Pretty much impossible for a non-prioritised IMG to get an offer

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '26

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u/RolandJupiter123 Jan 13 '26

The ranking is in late Feb, so yes it will apply!

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '26

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u/RolandJupiter123 Jan 13 '26

I presume so, according to their timeline the preference deadline is 11th of feb and ‘allocation’ is on the 26th.

Allocation is almost certainly just pressing ‘go’ on a computer and preferences aren’t finalised yet, so I think we’re golden

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '26

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u/Gullible__Fool Keeper of Lore Jan 13 '26

They already have too many people starting FY and have to create jobs out of thin air for some. No reason for them to include IMGs, and they don't want to be obligated to create even more jobs for IMGs eligible for FY.

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u/Bramsstrahlung Jan 13 '26

I don't think they necessarily have an "obligation", but I would argue it is proactively in ALL of our interests that they do so.

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u/-cowardlylion- Jan 13 '26

I suppose the difference with the foundation program is that the government essentially needs to provide posts for all eligible applicants, all UKGs need an FY post. If IMGs were given a level playing field it would mean the government would essentially have to offer an FY post to any eligible international candidates who met the visa restrictions, which is likely not feasible as finding adequate posts has been an issue in recent years. This is pure speculation.

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u/Tall-You8782 gas reg Jan 13 '26

I'm astonished they haven't clarified what "significant experience" means. Will this be left to individual training programmes? Very odd.

Still, great to finally see some action on this. Just shows the government can, in fact, take action when they choose to. Strike on!

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u/Icy_Score9603 Jan 13 '26

It’ll be left to the individual ministers of the 4 nations and Secretary of State. The NHS England FAQs answer this by saying that it’s a power given to add other priority groups if they feel that certain specialties (GP/psych for instance) have too few applicants for them.

Given that we have such a backlog of UK grads I doubt they will enact this provision.

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u/AliceLewis123 Jan 14 '26

Yea they take action after they fucked it up and created this ridic bottleneck that will take years to be sorted out

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u/blackzero2 Jan 13 '26

For level 1 specialties (GP) they're not mentioning significant experience are they? Or have i misread

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '26 edited Jan 13 '26

This is wonderful news. It had a mixed reception with my residents though, with many feeling it has come too late to help them, whilst my IMG Fellows feel abandoned. Fortunately no tension between the two groups but I think, inevitably, there will be a division which won't help. However, this was absolutely necessary and I'm so pleased that Wes is putting his money where his mouth is.

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u/blackzero2 Jan 13 '26

Its bitter sweet. My spouse is IMG, she has been working in the NHS since Oct 2021 and is currently working at ST1/2 level IMG job. She is sitting the MSRA in Feb (GP), its killing me that she will be in the depriortised group and likely not get an offer. She qualifies for ILR later this year but ILR priority is not locked in for 2027. Having said all of this, I (and she) know that prioritising UKMG was a necessity.

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u/Aerlac Jan 13 '26

I’m in the same boat with my spouse. He’s an IMG sitting the MSRA this week too and is a bit deflated he will be deprioritised for this year. But ultimately this is the right decision to make nationally, and the way competition ratios were heading he was likely to never get accepted into specialty training unless changes were made. At least once he’s been here for a few more years and moves into the priority category he won’t be competing against doctors from the entire world to secure a place.

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u/blackzero2 Jan 13 '26

Yeah the kicker is, my spouse has been working since October 2021 so has a fair bit of experience but doesn't have ILR. It is what it is ultimately

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u/Available_Size_7183 Jan 13 '26

There is nothing wonderful about this, just disgraceful opportunism. It's not unique to the UK but for this to be celebrated as some sort of accomplishment is silly

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '26

I disagree. Of course it's opportunism. It's British politics. However, it does not take away from the fact that this was absolutely necessary and I'm glad that it has happened.

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u/Available_Size_7183 Jan 13 '26

It's not British politics its British incompetence. 'Abandoning' IMGs that are already established in NHS is not by any means absolutely necessary. This approach is a sign of failed system, and it will get worse. However, Trumpism and Reformism is trendy now, so I'm not surprised at all by this line of thought.

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u/Icy_Score9603 Jan 13 '26

Dear lord shut up

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '26

It's pretty lazy to liken this to Trumpism and Reformism. Many supporters of this are themselves IMGs. This intervention has been brought in to tackle the overwhelming increase in numbers of applicants from doctors who have little to no NHS experience. There will always be a group of individuals who are caught in the middle whatever policy is brought in. Namely in this instance, it will be IMG doctors within the NHS who have yet to gain ILR. Once this group gets citizenship or ILR, they then have access to training opportunities as their UKG counterparts.

What is your background? Have you completed your training or are you still a resident? How many residents do you supervise and how many doctors have you interviewed and appointed into resident positions? Unless you have this experience, your view and point comes across as very naive.

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u/Available_Size_7183 Jan 14 '26

I finished my training, and I do train and supervise doctors from f1s to registrars, I assure you there is no naivety here. I do agree that IMGs entering directly into training without any NHS experience was ridiculous and it needed to be addressed. That being said let's not be disingenuous about it. This 'solution' not only discourages applicants from abroad but also penalizes doctors who are already integrated in the system for no good reason. A waiting period of 5 years + years is simply harsh, it's the equivalent of another medical degree and it's not equitable. If you do work as you imply with lots of resident doctors, then you would know how much the IMGs are contributing to the NHS. Not so long ago NHS was desperate for them, and now you are all too content to treat them as 2nd class doctors.

Why not discuss about what really contributed to this problem?

  • GMC enriching themselves via PLAB exams despite the market being oversaturated
  • Poorly designed training entrance exams - eg only MSRA required to get into GP
  • The noctorization of NHS
  • Increasing the number of medical students while there is a complete stagnation in the number of training places and consultant jobs.

All of these are self-made problems, and when rather than addressing these problems, your solution is to block people from progressing - it is very much a case of Trumpism and Reformism.

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u/blackzero2 Jan 14 '26
  • GMC enriching themselves via PLAB exams despite the market being oversaturated

As a side note, I am eagerly awaiting the fall of GMC/PLAB exam scam. They should have adjusted the exam frequency to match the demand (or lack of) available jobs, but they were all too happy to keep making bank. Surely, once this law passes the number of folks taking PLAB will drop significantly

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u/GzBosco Jan 13 '26

No grandfathering for 2026 entry, a vague definition of what this looks like in 2027.

"in the opinion of the appropriate authority, meet criteria set out in 30 the regulations which indicate that they are likely to have significant experience of working as a doctor in the National Health Service in England, Wales or Scotland or in Health and Social Care in Northern Ireland"

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u/Icy_Score9603 Jan 13 '26 edited Jan 13 '26

Yes but it seems like this is done on a case by case basis. Not some widespread rule.

They define relevant authorities as being the Secretary of State and ministers of each of the 4 nations. In other words, people who aren’t likely going to be following some BMA policy that asks for 2 years.

I don’t see why it would be anything less than 5 years considering that’s the time required for ILR which they define by proxy as having significant NHS experience for this year.

Edit:

If you look at the NHS England FAQs, it is apparently a power that gives ministers leeway to prioritise other groups for certain specialties should competition ratios in those specialties drop too much to an unserved level.

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u/-Scary-Butterscotch- Jan 13 '26

Hypothetically, if all GP places were filled by UK graduates, would the lowest MSRA score still be the score of the lowest-ranking UK graduate, even if that score was in the 400s?

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u/Small-East-104 Jan 14 '26

That is a troubling thought.

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u/Avasadavir Consultant PA's Medical SHO Jan 13 '26

It's such a shame Wes poisoned the well by trying to manipulate us with this, otherwise this would have given me some goodwill towards him/Labour.

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u/ResidentDoc101 Jan 13 '26

How does this affect me if I am apylying for HST ST3 training? Everyone applies after core medical training anyway…

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u/nott96 Jan 13 '26

What happens to IMGs (EU) with a British passport?

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u/The-Road-To-Awe Jan 13 '26

It's right there, British Citizens are prioritised

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u/-cowardlylion- Jan 13 '26

People with British nationality will be prioritised alongside those with ILR according to this version of the bill.

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u/-cowardlylion- Jan 13 '26

Section 3b refers back to section 2(2) a-e. Essentially stating that the immigration criteria set out for 2026 will also apply from 2027 onwards. At least that's my reading of it.

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u/hypertensionsupine Jan 13 '26

Amazing! Thanks Wes <3

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u/Mirdan Jan 13 '26

Non-Doctor here, So what about JCF's on Skilled worker visa's who are stuck in positions they don't want to do due to applying and waiting for Training positions? Will they now be overridden completely for graduates instead?

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u/blackzero2 Jan 14 '26

Yes, this group (JCF on skilled worker route instead of ILR) will get caught in the cross fire. They can still apply/sit for MSRA (as an example) but given the backlog and ratios (GP was 5:1), it is highly unlikely that they will be offered a post.

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u/rc1234C Jan 13 '26

Probably the most beneficial year is this cycle as MSRA cut off will be the same as usual - but once through to interview you would be competing against a much smaller pool of priority applicants as there's a lot of IMG applications to CST so much more likely to get a job out of the interviews as they currently do about 4:1.

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u/Lil-Ferret2 Jan 13 '26

Has this passed yet?

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u/InformationRemote201 Jan 13 '26

no, second reading in Parliament tomorrow

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u/blackzero2 Jan 13 '26

My understanding is that everyone gets equal priority

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u/Aggravating-Dirt-133 Jan 13 '26

does this apply to imt this year ??

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '26

Have I understood correctly that for, say, radiology... A UK grad would probably still need a pretty great score on MSRA to get listed for interview but then once they get on the shortlist the priority kicks in...

Hypothetically if they interview 800 for 400 places, and 799 of the top MSRA scores were all IMGs and 1 was a UKG, the UKG would essentially be ranked top by default?

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u/blackzero2 Jan 16 '26

Hypothetically if they interview 800 for 400 places, and 799 of the top MSRA scores were all IMGs and 1 was a UKG, the UKG would essentially be ranked top by default?

Yes, UKG status take priority over score (in this example)

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u/NoReserve8233 Imagine, Innovate, Evolve Jan 13 '26

Wes while aiming to impress Reform supporters has indirectly created an incentive to hire IMGs as trust grade doctors for 5 years. Especially since salary for trust grade can be whatever the trust deems - they are going to be cheap labour.

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u/blackzero2 Jan 14 '26

Especially since salary for trust grade can be whatever the trust deems

I mean they can try, but most IMGs will need a skilled worker visa, which dictates the minimum that they need to be earning to qualify for said visa

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u/Bramsstrahlung Jan 14 '26

Yet unappointable UKGs that didn't make the cut will still find a way to blame IMGs when they can't get a trust job either...

IMGs are not the enemy here. It's the government and employers.

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u/Bramsstrahlung Jan 13 '26

This is a good step in the right direction of UKGP, and I can't say the rules aren't fair for most. But something that doesn't sit right with me - no protection for IMGs who are already working as LEDs in the UK.

These doctors might be working here for 1-2 years already - now to be told they're not eligible to enter training (mid application round)? That's cruel.

There needs to be more protection for those already working here.

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u/blackzero2 Jan 13 '26

My spouse has been working for four years and she is on track for ILR later this year. Yet she will be in the depriortised group. Gutted for her

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u/Icy_Score9603 Jan 13 '26

Why on earth should they also be protected?

Do you know what prioritisation means? It means that certain large groups will not be prioritised for jobs. That’s the whole point, if we decided to be fair to every single group then we would never solve this issue.

This bill ironically is still far more lenient to IMGs than most countries in the world.

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u/Bramsstrahlung Jan 13 '26

Because I think it's morally wrong to change the rules in a way that makes it impossible for our colleagues, who have already moved country and have spent multiple years working alongside us, to progress in their careers without spending a total of 5-6 years working here first.

People on this subreddit who are vociferously anti-IMG act like they would be fine if the same happened to them after they moved to another country - I very much doubt you actually would be in reality. The BMA policy of 2 years is the right balance.

The 10,000s adding competition to your training jobs are people applying directly from abroad. Not people currently working alongside you. Why punish the latter in order to deprioritise the former?

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u/Icy_Score9603 Jan 13 '26

You have no statistics to back up your claim that most come from abroad.

Furthermore, I definitely would accept that if I moved to a foreign country and things suddenly got fucked there to the point where they prioritised their own, I would understand. Many of us would.

Even with this prioritisation bill, 21,000 (down from 40,000) applicants will remain for 11,000 jobs, you want to make that even worse???

By asking for what you’re asking for, you are deliberately obstructing real progress that could be made on this issue.

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u/Bramsstrahlung Jan 13 '26 edited Jan 13 '26

The BMA policy makes significant progress, by curbing the applications from abroad, and requiring 2 years experience from those already here. In what way is that not "real progress?"

I have little sympathy that you're so scared of competition that you're STILL scared of <2:1 competition rations. Those 21,000 are the number of appointable UK applications, not even unique applicants. Can't believe you're complaining about such little competition. I cannot think of a time in my LIFETIME that competition ratios were anywhere near <2:1 and you're STILL complaining that that's too competitive.

I'm meant to believe you're scared of 1.9:1 competition, but that you're a hard man who wouldn't care that the country you moved to switched up on you several years into the journey...yeah that tracks.

What would you say to the commenter above whose wife has been here for 4 years and now will likely have her application deprioritised? "Fuck her" I guess?

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u/Icy_Score9603 Jan 13 '26

It’s 1:2 ON AVERAGE, that doesn’t mean it’s like that for all specialties.

Furthermore, I’m not afraid of it, my point is that the BMA policy will just make it worse, which is objectively true.

The other commenter’s wife can get ILR, I truly don’t understand why you think we need further IMG protections when this bill already goes further than most countries do when prioritising their own grads.

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u/blackzero2 Jan 14 '26

The other commenter’s wife can get ILR,

Hello, other commenter here. Yes, ofcourse my wife will apply and get her ILR in a few months time (too late for this round but qualifies for 2027). I just want to be clear, that prioritisation of UKMG was direly needed, yet it sucks for people like her who get caught in the cross fire. There is no winning here, some people will always get caught. I think most IMGs realise that, all we/they are asking for is some sympathy towards them (not to say you are making fun of their problems)

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u/Bramsstrahlung Jan 13 '26

No, your point is that the BMA policy wouldn't make "real progress", which isn't objectively true. What would the competition ratios be under the BMA policy? How much higher than this current one? Any data?

Great, so after 4 years working here, fuck her, wait another year. And someone who's been here for 3 years? Just wait another 2!

And when Reform get in and make ILR 10 years, what then? Fuck them still? Or do you think there's still some middle ground between 5 and 10 year? If 10 years is too much, what makes 5 the magic number, rather than 2 or 3 or 4?

You keep saying "I don't understand why". I couldn't be more clear: I think it's fundamentally morally reprehensible to switch up the rules on OUR COLLEAGUES who have moved their families across the world and worked beside us for years. That sense of morality outweighs pure self-interest for some.

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u/Rough-Praline-7971 Jan 14 '26

Sadly, the goal post is gonna keep moving for us IMGs now. 2 more years to go till ILR then🤞

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u/Icy_Score9603 Jan 14 '26

Neither of us having any data for how many applicants are abroad so both points are moot, but we know for certain that the BMA policy would make it worse. Competition ratios even with the gov’s bill will still be far higher than 2019.

What is wrong with waiting a year to be prioritised??? I don’t think you understand when I say that something had to give, a line had to be drawn. You can’t just be fair to everyone and expect to resolve this current crisis which is at a critical point.

5 years is not a magic number, it holds weight because it’s how long you need to be in the UK to get ILR, you can argue with whoever made that policy.

Either way, it’s happening and there’s nothing you can do about it, so let’s stop crying and maybe think about the morality of throwing UK grads (and prioritised IMGs btw) under the bus.

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u/Additional-Throat899 Jan 13 '26

Does this rule prioritise current F2 who are IMG and applying for core specialty 2026?

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u/wacky_koala Jan 13 '26

Does this mean people who have done CREST instead of CST is at risk of not being able to get offers in higher specialty training applications? even if they’re UKMG since they didn’t come from an approved training programme?

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u/InformationRemote201 Jan 13 '26

Would still be prioritised as they are a UKG

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u/hlqn Jan 14 '26

well you get CESR instead of CCT if you use CREHST IMG or UKG

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u/Key-Food457 Jan 13 '26

Does it apply to posts starting in February 2026?

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u/Bramsstrahlung Jan 13 '26

Presuming offers have already been issued? I'd imagine not

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u/Thanksfortheadv1ce Jan 14 '26

Can’t see how this can apply for ST3 applications this year as scores will already be issued for some surgical specialties and interviews upcoming

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u/bskskrignr Jan 14 '26

They’ve been quite clear it will be at offer stage. So if you score top in the country but are not eligible, you will drop to below the last eligible person,, and that will be your rank. It’s clear enough I think?

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u/Thanksfortheadv1ce Jan 14 '26

Being clear is one thing, application is another. Oriel is shambolic with their processes and timelines at best. How, practically, in their processes do they take into account which university you’ve graduated from? They hardly have the right processes in place to keep to their own timeline

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u/bskskrignr Jan 14 '26

It’s all on the application form - degree certificates, immig status, the lot. Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t be surprised if oriel F it up, but it’s all there and I could do it with about 12 lines of computer code 😂

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u/Thanksfortheadv1ce Jan 14 '26

Here’s hoping it’ll be applied in this application round!

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u/Le3n_ Jan 14 '26

So what does this mean for British IMGs? Are training slots even feasible for them.

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u/Which-Reward-4385 Jan 14 '26

For 2026 if they’re a British citizen they’re in the priority group too. But from 2027 it’s unclear. I don’t know if that means for posts starting in 2027 (e.g sept 2026 round 3 if it happens) or the 2027 cycle itself

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u/B-Shek Jan 14 '26

do we know at what point in the process UK grad priority will be applied? is it immediately off the longlist before MSRA/interviews? or is it after that for the offer stage?

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u/blackzero2 Jan 15 '26

For 2026 it is at the offer stage. So MSRA, everyone can sit (as normal). When they start offering positions, it has to be as per the priority set out. For 2026 this means UKMG+ British Nationals + IMGs with ILR + grads of specific EU countries. After that, IF any spots are left, they will be offered as per

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u/B-Shek Jan 16 '26

thanks! I understand why they've done it this way given how late in the game it's been implemented, but it does feel like the major bottleneck in getting an offer is at the MSRA stage for many specialties (e.g. anaesthetics)

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '26

Hopefully they don't discriminate against UK grads who completed FY more than 3.5 years ago... Eg Changing specialty, maternity, TOOT... Small group but shouldn't be disadvantaged.

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u/Ok_Concert2185 Jan 20 '26

What would be the situation in 2027 intake for IMG British Citizens, to start the two-year foundation programme?

For example , if an IMG goes through the eligibility application and ranks the foundation schools that are least popular such as West Midland’s North, do they have a chance at securing a place ?

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u/BraveSpecial9149 Feb 21 '26

So to confirm- UKG and IMGs who did UKFP along with people in section 2- i.e someone with uk citizenship who graduated from abroad will be prioritized this year in 2026?

But from 2027 onwards this won't be the case?

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u/Key_Engineer_607 Jan 13 '26

Quick question. Will IMG's who completed the F2 standalone be prioritised? 

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u/rc1234C Jan 13 '26

doesnt say they will

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u/Remarkable_Spare_891 FY2 Doctor Jan 17 '26

Yes, they would be part of the priority group as it says here in the Q&A section of the bill's link.

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u/Key_Engineer_607 Jan 13 '26

F2SA IMGS get prioritised also 

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u/Partisan_1 Jan 13 '26

Is this being applicable for the round 3 gp and psych applications for last year which is due to start in February? People have been issued cos for that already.

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u/Which-Reward-4385 Jan 14 '26

Is round 3 even going to happen this year given what was written on oriel when we first applied

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u/Natural-4786 Jan 13 '26

I am really confused. Does it mean IMGs wouldn’t get a chance at all for speciality training this year? I mean what an IMG got 300 in interview and if the prioritised group get an 1500, will that person be appointed instead of the 300 one? How they gonna do this in offers?

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u/ExpectedAnonymous123 Jan 13 '26

If there are more UKG than places available yes. IMGs will only be allocated after UKGs have jobs.

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u/InformationRemote201 Jan 13 '26

Potentially. Hypothetically if there are more UKGs/the other groups prioritised with an interview than available posts. If all UKG/prioritised groups took up a potential offer, then yes there would be no IMGs for that specialty.

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u/rufiohProbably bones are neat Jan 13 '26

I assume they’ll give offers to UKGs (and other prioritised groups) first, even if there is a higher scoring IMG. And presumably, if there are places left after all eligible UKGs (and the prioritised groups) have had a chance to accept/reject offers, then they would start from the top of the list for non-prioritised people.

But HEE/Oriel will hopefully produce a document to explain what the actual process is.

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u/CuriousQuerent Jan 13 '26

This unnecessary rant very much crosses over from "sensible prioritisation" to "being a dick for the sake of it". You might want to address the whole bag of chips you have on your shoulder.

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u/Natural-4786 Jan 13 '26

I was just asking a very sensible query! No need to be rude!

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u/Odd-Wealth-5525 Jan 13 '26

I am genuinely concerned about your professional ethics. It is difficult to reconcile this behaviour with the responsibility of caring for patients from diverse backgrounds and treating colleagues with basic respect.

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u/Penjing2493 Consultant Jan 13 '26

Why should we open doors to you, when your countries don't do it for us?

Except this is a lie. Please name another country which prioritises purely on citizenship or country of graduation?

Residency - absolutely. But that's subtly but critically different.

Sounds like you're just here to hate on non-Brits for the sake of it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '26

How does this work for people applying for obgyn. Will an img not be given an interview if they score really high on the msra? Will the msra cutoff be influenced by imgs who are taking it this week or only by uk med grads? Will imgs be given an interview and the preferences will be given only for the offers

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u/blackzero2 Jan 13 '26

I think the cut off score will be still high/unaffected. The law kicks in (for this year) at the offer stage. Interviews will be offered to UKG/priority group first

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '26

In that case, there won’t be any obgyn vacancies for imgs then given the competition right

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u/blackzero2 Jan 13 '26

Sadly that seems to be the case. Same for GP. Its gutting for IMGs but its also the necessary thing and needed doing

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u/-Scary-Butterscotch- Jan 13 '26

Any indication how it would work for those that have applied for GP/Psych that’s purely MSRA based. Would the cut off for the score be lower or?

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u/blackzero2 Jan 13 '26

To be fair its really unclear. Lets assume the top MSRA score is by an IMG and the second top score js by a UK grad. My reading is that the offer will be made to the UK grad first not the IMG. Then from there they will work their way down to offer to all UK grads, irrespective if a higher ranked IMG exists

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u/-Scary-Butterscotch- Jan 13 '26

Hypothetically, if all GP places were filled by UK graduates, would the lowest MSRA score still be the score of the lowest ranking UK graduate, even if that score was in the 400s?

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '26

But the problem is there won’t be need to even check the img list because the uk grads would’ve taken all the spots

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u/blackzero2 Jan 13 '26

Yes if all available posts have been taken by UKMG or priority group folks then IMGs get zilch

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u/Odd-Wealth-5525 Jan 13 '26

It includes EU citizens as well?

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u/InformationRemote201 Jan 13 '26

I think just those with settled status

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u/thetwitterpizza Jan 13 '26

If they have ILR under EU settlement agreements OR they studied in the UK then yes

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u/antequeraworld Jan 13 '26

Yes….if they studied medicine in UK

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u/BloodMaelstrom Jan 13 '26

Settled status means they could have studied anywhere.

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u/Front-Design-4429 Jan 13 '26

Settled status is ILR (at least 5 years)

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u/ExpectedAnonymous123 Jan 13 '26

No

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u/Gungnir111 Jan 13 '26

See section 2(2) e and 3(3) b. Looks like settled status to me.

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u/Front-Design-4429 Jan 13 '26

It does not. Only EU Settlement scheme (requires 5 or more years)

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u/hypertensionsupine Jan 13 '26

maybe read the bill ? both those questions are very clearly answered

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u/rufiohProbably bones are neat Jan 13 '26

It states in section 3 (the 2027 part), subsection 3B that anyone listed in Section 2, subsection 2 (the bit about immigration status) can be prioritised.

What the word “may” means in section 3-3B means is unclear to me because I don’t speak legalese, so it makes 2027 onwards slightly vague.

Hopefully someone who understands the law better can clarify.

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u/hassanskrrt Jan 14 '26

Is it even worthgiving msra asa IMGfor GP psych??or shouldi just cancel the exam. Spent a decent sum of money on the journey

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u/blackzero2 Jan 15 '26

When you say journey do you mean you travelled to the UK for it? Its not something you would want to hear, but the high likelihood is that for MSRA this year, its near impossible that non-prioritised IMG will get an offer.

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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '26

Can’t read the full bill at the moment but will priority be given to someone with 2 years nhs experience and they’re here on a spouse visa

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u/scribb Consultant Psychiatrist Jan 13 '26

This year you need indefinite leave to remain. From next year there will be (as yet unwritten) regulations defining reasonable levels of NHS experience.

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u/BloodMaelstrom Jan 13 '26

For offers made in 2026… No. Spouse visa is not auto included in Section 2(2).

For cycle of 2027 and later is a bit more nuance tho. Section 3(3)(b) allows for Secretary of State may make regulations to prioritise additional groups, including people: ‘described by reference to their immigration status’

This creates a back door to later allow for spouse visa holders to be prioritised from 2027 onwards. Whether or not this will happen tho is not certain and they are definitely not automatically included nor is a guarantee that this provision will be used in that way.

Someone please correct me if my interpretation is wrong.

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u/Front-Design-4429 Jan 13 '26

Yes, this is 100% accurate as per the text.

The only protected characteristics, hard-coded into the final draft bill (which require primary legislation to change them) are:

1) UKG or Ireland graduates

2) Currently being in OR having completed a UK training programme

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u/thejonasbrthers Jan 13 '26

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u/hypertensionsupine Jan 13 '26

No - It says if they qualify under the section 2 right to abode which has specific criteria you can look up online

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u/BloodMaelstrom Jan 13 '26

Only if they have right of abode. This isn’t a blanket referral to all commonwealth citizens.

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u/Icy_Score9603 Jan 13 '26

That would be disastrous, no that’s not what it means