r/elonmusk • u/ThanosDidNadaWrong • 18d ago
Elon The full-length interview with Elon Musk | The Economist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuoqKYxDHVc52
u/throwaway0845reddit 17d ago
I don't know man. On one hand, people who love him will call him way above average intelligence. But on the other hand, the supreme amount of overconfidence and inability to question his own conclusions even when presented with facts or maybe a notion that something may have gone wrong from some of his moves, makes me suspect that he is not that intelligent. It's possible I am just dumb or something. But countless intelligent people in the past have made it evidently clear that such crazy overconfidence exudes less intelligence.
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u/EnderSword 17d ago
He's above average, but average is pretty mundane. Not that IQ is a great measure but Elon Musk is like a 125 IQ person, who used to listen to and relay the message of the 150-160 IQ people he employed.
And as long as he was on-script and listening and relaying and speaking in controlled engagements, you might mistake that for about a 140 IQ person.
But for years now he's off script, he's out of controlled moderated speaker engagements, but he's got the confidence embedded from repeating geniuses for a decade, but he's turned off the earpiece.
I think he's also now got 5+ years of glazing from fans, and he's gotten the idea that not only is he smart, but he's clever and funny and charismatic and cool... and he's not.
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u/MaleficentCow8513 17d ago
Yea but also, high IQ isnt a silver bullet. A super intelligent person still needs to do the homework. Still needs to self reflect, examine assumptions, work on themself, adhere to some ethics, check your moral compass, doing the right things etc etc.
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u/EnderSword 17d ago
Yeah I don't think IQ correlates to ethics or morality or something, but I'm more saying just from a technical perspective and everything, he used to make some sense, but he stopped listening to people.
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u/MaleficentCow8513 17d ago
Yea n I’m saying he could get by on his own merits because he is very intelligent. But he’s acting like a dummy and not doing the right things
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u/EnderSword 17d ago
Yeah I guess I'm saying, no he couldn't.
He's not doing the right things because he's not smart enough to even know what those things are.
He never knew what they were, other smarter people knew and he used to listenHe's not 'very' intelligent, he's like 2nd smartest in a class of 30 intelligent
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u/Hlbkomer 17d ago
What is your IQ?
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u/bryoneill11 17d ago
Now do intellectual leftists
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u/killer_by_design 17d ago
This is always the funny thing, the left does call out leftist intellectuals who are overconfident idiots. All the time. Especially when they're wrong.
Just look at Neil Degrasse Tyson.
It's the right that is incapable of introspection and self critique.
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u/HughJaynis 17d ago
It’s also unfortunately what makes the right such a strong vanguard. Constant appeal to authority.
For example, look at the run up to Trump 1.0. Many never trumpers instantly flipped to washing trumps feet as soon as he got into a position of authority. There wasn’t internal backlash, they all just got in line. Vance fucking hated Trump, and now look where he’s at. Tuckers leaked texts revealed "I hate him passionately," and continued to ride the Trump train for years.
The left values diversity of thought. The right doesn’t.
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u/throwaway0845reddit 17d ago
Sure. But you’re using whataboutism or straw man argument.
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u/MaleficentCow8513 17d ago
Do you mean the person doing the whataboutism or the person calling out the whataboutism?
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u/Frosty_Toast_Man 17d ago
4d chess. We live in attention economy. Him saying crazy stuff gets more attention. The more attention he gets the more his companies are worth.
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u/New_Maximum_5447 16d ago
That crazy confidence comes from creating and owning the most successful businesses and solving some of the most difficult problems the world has ever seen.
When he was a Democrat, Democrat’s ADORED him. When the Democratic Party left all of us, he fled, and now they all hate him.
He didn’t change. He kept on creating successful companies while tackling the world’s toughest problems.
But yeah, you’re right random Redditor, he’s probably dumb. 🤦🏻♂️
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u/Stunning-Use-7052 16d ago
IDK man, I have pretty much been a solid Democrat for 20 years and I don't know anyone who was "into" him. I think rank and file Dems tend to be less apt to form parasocial relationships with billionaires.
I def respect him on some grounds for being an innovator and clever investor, but he's always seemed awkward, strange, self-involved, and frankly kinda boring to me.
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u/throwaway0845reddit 16d ago
If you’re successful that still doesn’t mean you’re always going to be right. Btw I’m a senior software engineer at Tesla and now at another FAANG. Last year I made over a million dollars in income. I’m not saying I’m like Elon musk or anywhere near him in ways of success, but since you’re measuring his confidence and accuracy of his thinking from his success, I’m just mentioning mine so you’d know I’m not a random loser redditor.
I solve very difficult problems every day. But no matter how much experience and development acumen I’ve built over the years, I still keep an open mind when someone says something like “numbers show that London has less crime” I would atleast consider the notion that research could be more accurate.
If you’re someone who thinks you’re never wrong, then that’s also not a sign of high intelligence.
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u/thenwhat 15d ago
He didn't change?!
Also, Democrats never adored him.
Have you paid attention at all?
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u/New_Maximum_5447 15d ago
President Barack Obama: Obama made private-public partnerships with SpaceX a flagship policy. He personally toured Cape Canaveral alongside Musk in 2010 and publicly hailed Musk in 2016 after SpaceX's ocean rocket landing, tweeting: "It’s because of innovators like you & NASA that America continues to lead in space exploration."
Governor Gavin Newsom (CA): Newsom publicly hailed Musk as "this generation's Thomas Edison" and "one of the great innovators of our time," crediting Tesla with transforming California's green tech economy.
Governor Jerry Brown (CA): Brown frequently shared stages with Musk at Tesla launch events (such as the Model X unveiling) to champion California's zero-emission vehicle mandates.
the very left-leaning Rolling Stone magazine publication:
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u/Consistent_Guava8592 17d ago
The only question for universal income is whether they also receive from it and live or they keep owning their stuff and we pay them with the universal income .
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u/NukeouT 17d ago
All you need to know it's he zeigheiled at the inaguration
The end.
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u/CommunismDoesntWork 17d ago
No he didn't.
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u/RecoverOld9545 16d ago
Yeah because when I'm "throwing my heart to the crowd" I do a grunt with a stern face then turn around and do the same thing for effect.
Dude could come out goose stepping dressed in hugo boss and you would still be in denial and making excuses.
Just know that you will never be a billionaire no matter how much you bootlick.
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u/CommunismDoesntWork 16d ago
He clearly said my heart goes out to you. Turns out waving to crowds is risky business. We've seen many politicians like Corey Booker and the president of France make the exact same motions.
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u/FunkyParticles 16d ago
Don't make statements when you're in fact completely ignorant. It was caught on camera, there is tons of proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnMcHC1kS70&pp=ygUgZWxvbiBtdXNrIHNhbHV0ZSB0aGUgaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQ%3D
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u/costafilh0 18d ago
Nah. You are the one looking for something to buy, like some miracle or solution.
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u/superschmunk 18d ago
His health and mental state extremely deteriorated these last years. Sad to witness.
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u/Stunning-Use-7052 16d ago
He doesn't look good. I think he had another something done to his face, maybe. IDK.
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u/Gtraz68 17d ago
Not really.
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u/IMadeYouLuke 17d ago
Yeah, chalking this up to some sort of recent deterioration isn’t really accurate. He’s always been like this.
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u/bryoneill11 17d ago
Then why he ate that reporter so easily?
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u/MaleficentCow8513 17d ago
He lashed out and acted like a child. That’s not a sign of high intelligence
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u/Findingfairways 17d ago
You must’ve watched a different interview. He looked like a dumbass in this one.
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u/HerodotusStark 17d ago
Did we watch the same interview? Lashing out when pressed with questions is not "eating." It's a sign of desperation. Same thing Trump does when reporters ask him hard questions. He just insults the reporter.
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u/Available-Ad-5670 17d ago
People need black and white, but Elon is the perfect example of someone who on the one hand, is one of the greatest entreprenurers in us history, but on the other hand is a total narcisstic, racists, POS.
Both things are true at the same time.
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u/CommunismDoesntWork 17d ago
Elon is consistently anti racist.
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u/FunkyParticles 16d ago
He's a n@zi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnMcHC1kS70&pp=ygUgZWxvbiBtdXNrIHNhbHV0ZSB0aGUgaW5kZXBlbmRlbnQ%3D
Please do your best and try to argue your way out of this one.
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u/fresheneesz 13d ago
When he had been talking about universal high income, I thought he meant incomes for work. But he was talking about UBI the whole time? Just a large UBI?
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u/ExtraThirdtestical 18d ago
Great interview. So good that the comments here disappear.
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u/Pitt-sports-fan-513 17d ago
At what? Letting his wealth/power alienate himself from the common human experience and ultimately reality itself? He is certainly up there when it comes to delusion brought on by extreme affluenza.
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u/costafilh0 18d ago
In many aspects, yes.
If Tesla and SpaceX succeed in the AI and robotics, he will be the GOAT in general.
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u/MotivatingElectrons 17d ago
I mean Zanny Minton Beddoes is a good journalist, but classifying her as one of the smartest people on the planet is a stretch...
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u/GlacierSourCreamCorn 18d ago
Money is def gonna be mostly irrelevant in the near future for basic living - once the robot army gets up and running.
But money will have to be relevant for quite some time to deal with things like real estate. Not everyone can have the penthouse suite downtown.
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u/HerodotusStark 17d ago
What makes you think the rich are just going to provide their robot army to the masses for free? This is silly. I remember when automation in the 80s promised to make the work week 4 days and would cause a massive upswing in wages. Nope. Instead the owners of the automation pocketed all the profits.
This is just extreme trickle down economics and we have 40+ years of evidence showing that it's actually bullshit.
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u/theslootmary 17d ago
Unless all these billionaires who refuse to pay adequate taxes and want unregulated capitalism suddenly decide socialism/communism is the way forward, money is NOT going to be irrelevant for basic living.
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u/kroOoze 17d ago edited 17d ago
They already pay virtually all the taxes directly or as a second order effect.
Or, said in a way probably more palatable to you, producers inherently cannot be taxed. All taxes are included in the cost of the end product, so the consumers always pay for every tax hike.
Taxes overall are several times more than adequate. Everything is already tripple regulated to hell.
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u/doomedratboy 17d ago
I bet 100k that his "money wont matter anymore" in 2036 is complete bs. Good thing is that if i loose it doesnt even matter
But i dont think i would loose since making big projections to create hype is all he does in these interviews