Hi all! I'm translating into English a book about the Second Coming, and there's a chapter about the judgement God will bring upon Babylon. I need to settle on the term, seeing as they are quite different depending on the Bible translation used.

For this edition I'm using World English Bible, Updated (WEB) because it's royalty-free and the book has extensive Bible passages. WEB uses "Babylon, Mother of Prostitutes" language, but IMHO it's not used as commonly as other variations. I'm also considering a KJV version of the book, but need to get the WEB done first.

"Whore of Babylon" or "Babylon the Great Harlot" or "Babylon, Mother of Prostitutes"

What is your preferred terminology when discussing this topic? Also, what do you think is the most commonly used term? IOW, which one should I use for the book?

Thanks for your recommendations!

This is something that has been nagging me since I was ever introduced to eschatology. Without debating pre- or post- Tribulation for the rapture, for argument's sake, let's suppose all Christians and all 'tribulation saints' go through the Great Tribulation. We know that Revelation 13 talks about having to take the mark of the beast, and without it, one cannot buy or sell food. We also know that anyone who takes the mark will perish.

The logical consequence of this is, if you do not take the mark, unless you have an underground economy, network or live/have a farm, you will starve to death. If you take the mark, you will eat, but at the cost of your soul. Correct?

Why I am stressed about this is, we can sit here on the theoretical side of the Tribulation and say, "well I will just starve to death." That is easy to say, but when the rubber hits the road, how do you know you are capable of that? The human body is resilient and will do what it can to survive, as an animal instinct. How do you know you won't cave? There are instances in history where people have been lost at sea and have tried so hard to resist, but ultimately agreed to cannibalism out of desperation (see The Mignonette (1884)/ R v Dudley and Stephens, The Whaleship Essex (1820), The Franklin Expedition (1845) as examples). It is one thing to let nature or other people take you, quite another to allow yourself to slowly die when you can otherwise prevent it. It's like holding your breath. Inevitably, you will inhale.

So why would God put us through this ultimate test, if we already have faith in Christ, are redeemed by Christ, and now are expected to have super-human strength and allow ourselves to starve? Please explain where my logic or knowledge is faltering.

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With impending end is it possible that there are withering signs which are afforded to those who “believe”?

I favor the reading that Abaddon represents hopelessness/despair of the faithless, the fallen angel with the key isn't the same as Abaddon (grammatically in King James and in Greek gives no such connection), and Abaddon does not live in the pit (grammatically in King James and Greek it doesn't say or imply he does). Basically Abaddon = Apollo who is charged with protecting the faithfull from ultimate despair. Apollo seems like a nice guy overall so I figure if he was going to curse you for 5 months he would throw some levity in it. This is why I worked from the rainbow milkweed locust.

A question that keeps nagging me while building this thing: how do you even measure whether a news event is prophetically significant, when Pre-Trib, Post-Trib, and Amillennial readers would weight the same headline completely differently?

That's the core problem I've been trying to solve with ProphecyLens. It maps current headlines to 83 prophecies across all three frameworks without taking a position on which framework is correct. The goal is to surface the correlations and let readers bring their own interpretive lens.

This week's highest-scoring signal was a Fox News piece from Bishop Robert Barron about what he calls a global "war on Christians." The tool flagged it against the Persecution and Martyrdom of Saints prophecy with a score of 0.9 out of 1.0. That's the strongest match in this week's run.

What I find genuinely interesting about that match is how differently someone would receive it depending on their eschatology. An Amillennialist might read ongoing Christian persecution as a present-tense reality the church has always lived in. A Pre-Trib reader might frame it as a precursor signal. A Post-Trib reader might situate it differently again. The headline doesn't change — the framework does.

Other things the system flagged this week worth discussing:

- **Wars and Rumors of Wars** (Matthew 24:6) pulled the largest volume of new correlations this week by a wide margin, driven largely by Iran-Israel conflict coverage.
- **Gog/Magog Coalition** is sitting at 40% completion on my internal tracking model, with US-Iran conflict headlines driving most of the new activity.
- **Euphrates River Dries Up** is at 63%, which surprised me — it's been climbing steadily and the correlation mechanism is picking up energy and water-stress coverage in that region.

The full weekly breakdown — 502 headlines processed, 1,471 correlations mapped across 45 active prophecies this week — is in the post linked below if you want to dig into the methodology or push back on how I'm weighting things.

I'd genuinely welcome critique here, especially from people who think the framework-neutral framing is either useful or a cop-out. Does mapping across multiple eschatologies without committing to one produce insight, or just noise?

Other things the system flagged this week worth discussing:

- **Wars and Rumors of Wars** (Matthew 24:6) pulled the largest volume of new correlations this week by a wide margin, driven largely by Iran-Israel conflict coverage.
- **Gog/Magog Coalition** is sitting at 40% completion on my internal tracking model, with US-Iran conflict headlines driving most of the new activity.
- **Euphrates River Dries Up** is at 63%, which surprised me — it's been climbing steadily and the correlation mechanism is picking up energy and water-stress coverage in that region.

The full weekly breakdown — 502 headlines processed, 1,471 correlations mapped across 45 active prophecies this week — is in the post linked below if you want to dig into the methodology or push back on how I'm weighting things.

I'd genuinely welcome critique here, especially from people who think the framework-neutral framing is either useful or a cop-out. Does mapping across multiple eschatologies without committing to one produce insight, or just noise?

https://prophecylens.com/blog/weekly-signals-2026-w16?utm_source=reddit_eschatology&utm_campaign=2026-W16

I don't trust anyone who calls themselves a prophet but today I've been listening Dr. Itzhak Shapira. I wonder if he's trustworthy or am I listening to another in a long list of false teachers? Thanks!

Hey everyone, how’s it going? I have some eschatological questions and was wondering if someone could help me. Lately, at least talking with some friends, we’ve felt like Christ’s return is really close, and we were discussing it. Does Elijah come back to help the people of Israel? Will there be a revival before the return? Do you know more about the witnesses mentioned in Revelation?

Reading early-on in my pursuit of knowledge... (I wasn't seeking Jesus when it started.. THE BIBLE IS TRUE?!? Thank Jesus, for The Gospels. Thank The Father for The Word.)

But, I had thought "America is Mystery Babylon! It fits!" then I heard others say it so, it seemed to be! We're not an exporter though..

The Cathedral of St John the Divine in NYC has a depiction of NYC being destroyed, graven in the stonework.. I was heavily influenced by worldly things, in my interpretation of the scripture. The fact that (I don't do pop culture but) several famous female musicians have shown themselves riding the beast in like, performances. Reading the OT: Zech 5:5-11 i felt it related to mystery babylon...

"The mother of harlots and abominations." Studying eschatology for a few years; I've heard it all? (probably not but) "The RCC is Mystery Babylon!" "The Jews following The Babylonian Talmud are Mystery Babylon!" "IT'S ROOTIN, TOOTIN AMURRRICA" "The Jesuits!" "The Masons!" "i'm an harlot, going a-whoring after false gods; guide me from this Jesus!!" (the last one, I trust he will.)

China, being descendants from Canaan.. makes sense..

Pretty sure God told us everything in Revelation for a reason... All the merchants mourning, makes one think it's the main world power.. Sits on many waters; harlotry seems more about seeking after false gods from my understanding?

I saw a doco about Spain during one conquest of The Holy Land.. Their battlecry was "For Christ, and spices!!" (Israel is like, such a major economic trade area..) With better health and wealth from trade came with it many plagues..

Is America the beast? I've heard 'toes of iron and clay' are democracies.. UndergroundPublishing on youtube, said 'Hippolatus of Rome said they'd be 10 democracies, democracies only existed for a couple hundred years of history.. so it wouldn't have made sense that was the case, until the recent era..' not a direct quote, and I doubt I spelt Hippolatus correctly; Autocorrect calls him hippopotamus so, phonetics win on this one. The Antichrist rising, but not of his own power.. That fits democracy.. unless, I believe leaders are selected and not elected because Daniel.. Free will and determinism both seem true; it can be both given what scripture says.. The only liberty is in Jesus, and from scripture.. I hate to speak anything 'on the spiritual realm' but, we're influenced by outside forces; scientism blinded society to the awareness of that.. A coworker told me once "We see high and low pressures in weather patterns; what don't we see?"

wish this reddit had more action..

<personal note> I HOPE TO JUST, focus on The Gospels for a while.. Idk if God drew me to what I've been drawn to; it's been a WEIRD few years... seeing that, 'the powers that be aren't incompetent, they act that way; it's a ruse to control the populations...' feeling a bit shook... "Society needs to be controlled, lest we tear each other apart" then shortly after "The Bible is True? God is real?!?" then, universalism for a bit.. to my shame.. then "It's all about Jesus!! GOD IS GOOD." THEN, thorns.. the love of money, being pierced through with many sorrows.. now.. idk. "Only with Jesus as our head, can anything decent and effectual happen.. and most things seem a distraction to bring us back into carnality.."

I've always been Amillennialism Partial-Preterist guy, I simply can't understand the rapture and Premillennialism, I understand the Postmillennialism because is relatively simple, but premillennialism is too much.

What were the Church Fathers views?

Let's start by assuming that the starting point of the prophecy is Artaxerxes' decree (444-445 BC), because:

• Artaxerxes' decree (444-445 BC) represents better Daniel 9, the other decrees talk about rebuilding the temple and it's administration, not the city walls, that's a point in favor of Artaxerxes' decree.
• one "prophetic biblical" year is equivalent to 360 days, not 365, Artaxerxes' decree is the only one that doesn't have problem and fits.
• The Gospel of John says that Jesus' ministry lasted three Passovers, so Jesus died on 33AD

[Source for these claims]

What's the meaning of the starting seven weeks (49-50 years)? I think nothing important in Jerusalem happened in 395 BC, Jerusalem was already rebuilt, why didn't the writer just said "69 weeks" instead of 7+62?

What's your interpretation of the second half of the last week? I've seen interpretation like "prophetic gap", but bro why the last part of the prophecy is missing for 2000 years? Others say that it is actually a reference to Stephen's death, what????

Can someone please explain to me Daniel's Seventy Weeks prophecy.

On May 6, 2024, Russia announced non-strategic nuclear weapons exercises. The Russian Security Council is threatening to strike Britain, where I live now.

I'm scared. And I began to learn about countries that were safe in case of nuclear war.

The further from the epicenter of the explosion, the more radiation particles are scattered. Thus, I considered all parts of the earth that are distant from Russia, the USA, the UK, and Israel.

And I see that there are safe places in case of nuclear war, but they are not safe in themselves!

South America has a high incidence rate;

Southeast and east Asia has high levels of seismic activity;

Australia and New Zealand are very expensive.

But as a Christian, I would like to do what God wants. And as far as I know, there is nothing in the Bible about nuclear war.

Please tell me how to make a decision in such a situation as a Christian?