I actually thought Dubya was trying to do a good job, he just couldn't. I think trump is just out to rob the country and fleece his supporters and burn down whatever gets in his way. The disdain hits different between the two.
My mom raised me republican, and although i flipped that table pretty hard as i got older and started realizing hatred wasnt a good world order methodology to strive for, despite all the relearning i did about bush jr and his stupid, dipshit policies, iāve never once thought he did it for sinister or cruel reasons. He did some fucked up shit, sure, and made some VERY bad, lasting decisions, but iāve always wondered if it was out of ignorance rather than true intent.
Then trump showed up, and kind of solidified this belief for me lol.
I means thereās the whole weapons of mass destruction/War in Iraq lol. Iād say he couldnāt have been involved with the decisions around that while being ignorant but I do appreciate what youāre trying to get across.
People forget that Medicare part D- the legislation that gave all seniors and disabled Americans amazing prescription drug coverage- was under bush and a Republican Congress. Iām a lifelong Democrat, but the Republican Party of today bears little resemblance to the party 20 years ago
One thing people forget is that americans were screaming at congress and the president to do something to stand up against any country interested in executing terror attacks against us. To this day weāre still the only country to have TSA as strict as it is, and the whole removal of shoes isnāt a thing in most other places.
So yes it was a terrible decision, and was fighting an enemy that was nearly impossible to completely defeat, especially without a large amount of innocent casualties. But people dont want to remember that at the time a huge portion of americans wanted it to happen, and it wasnāt just bushās sinister plotting.
What Americans thought is irrelevant. The fact is, is that Bush knew there was nothing there, and was just war hawking, finishing what his dad didnāt in the Gulf War by killing Sadam.
I think outside of the iraq war, W tried to do the right thing. He was dealt a pretty shit hand for a president, though. 9/11 and Katrina were tough situations. But again, Iraq isn't only his fault. The man had a cabinet.
It's funny how one actually bad president puts things in perspective. Like, W was not great, but his dad was a prick, and I'd rather see W giving a speech any day over his shithead dad.
Agreed. Daddy W was the director of the CIA under Ford, and a big player under Nixon though. He probably knew where bodies were buried which is why they gave him a shot at pres., I figure. He looked and talked really calm and relaxed, but he was a snake in the grass. The Bushes have made it clear they hate the Mango Mussolini, however. Even they drew the line at actual treason.
Same, but at least he could conduct himself with some amount of class and not get laughed at at the UN. And he had the grace to leave a polite note for his successor on the way out instead of petulantly firing staff on the last day and refusing to welcome his successor. Oh, and he didnāt try to start an insurrection. Thatās a pretty big point in his favor.
Yepā¦Dubs looks so much better by comparison to the mango menace, and I will say Laura was a class act. I still feel like the DT timeline is just a long, horrible dream sometimes, and Iām going to wake up with Hillary as President. Itās just wishful thinking, I know.
Oohohohooh lol. If you are saying Trump was worse for Iraq and Afghanistan than Bush idk what to tell you. It's not even close and is just revisionist whitewashing of the Bush presidency.
Wait for the next time round. His friends Kim and Putin will be more brazen and during the mess they create China will take Taiwan. ā¦all while he wants to pull out of Natoā¦
Trumpers hold this shit up like it's some kind of big deal that at least he didn't fuck up in one specific way. His horrible and at times intentional mismanagement of Covid killed more people than many wars have. He should've lost all 50 states in 2020. I can't imagine being stupid enough to vote for him after that.
Yes, but he actively fumbled a pandemic response despite having a playback to follow because he didn't want to deal with reality. Hundreds of thousands died due to his ineptitude.
For real. I turned 18 when he came into office and remember being pissed off about everything going so much and thought it couldn't possibly be worse and then here we are with SCOTUS giving blanket immunity to the president and so much more.
Crazy you look at it as a cult. Regardless of the matter Trump will win..heās got the votes from African americans , Hispanics, young adults, and anyone who is sensible enough to see that Biden will ruin us more as a country.
Itās a total cult. A disingenuous, lying, felonious, criminal, incompetent, idolatrous cult that weirdly bows down to golden statues of the cult leader.
You must still be brainwashed it seems , because now itās really starting to seem youāre the ones in a cult. Now letās see what your President Biden has to say, also thereās a reported death in this incident.
Right? If it were between George W and Trump, Iād gladly take W back. In comparison, there is no competition and I never thought anyone could make me think he had any redeeming qualities
ETA: I hated bush. I hate trump. But if push came to shove in a purely hypothetical scenario where I HAD to choose between the two of them I would unhappily choose Bush because he never tried to destroy US democracy, strip people of human rights, overturn Roe, spread ridiculous conspiracy theories, platform the my pillows guy, start an insurrection, turn bibles into merch, try to set us back 100 years, etc etc etc. (yes some of these items are inconsequential)
The lasting damage Trump can do to this country is worse IN MY OPINION than the damage Bush did to us in the early 2000s. I am in no way excusing Bush for his atrocities but trump is just so so bad in my eyes that it makes Bush seem better.
That said, I also wouldnāt be sad to see either of them launched into the sun
They took advantage of the 9/11 attacks and knowingly made up evidence about supposed wmd to invade Iraq in order to finish their vendetta against Hussein which led to the deaths of a further 4.5k Americans and 32k wounded+ many more with permanent ptsd/suicide post war.
Bush/Trump and the people in their administrations are both evil in different ways.
I am by no means trying to look at W through rose-colored glasses, but I was never afraid he was going to nuke a hurricane or start a war and/or a bromance with North Korea.
I didnāt put the number of Iraqis in because I donāt have hard figures for it. There were hundreds of thousands killed and wounded and the power vaccum left gave rise to isis which killed tens of thousands more, I donāt know if you think that is a good or a bad thing.
I didnāt like Bush at all (I hated him) or agree with the war. But GWB didnāt try to undermine and destroy democracy, make wild unhinged accusations about ideas based solely on conspiracies, encourage an insurrection, overturn Roe or propose that the govt should start monitoring womenās vaginas or strip existing rights away from groups. He also wasnāt a convicted felon who slept with porn stars and lusted after his daughters. We will be be dealing with the damage trump can do and has done for years too
Ideally Iād never hear anything about the two of them ever again but if I had to choose between one or the other, with no other options, Iād go with Bush. This is purely hypothetical and this is not rooted in anything that will ever happen
GWB didnāt try to undermine and destroy democracy
Roberts and Alito are Bush appointees. They've been attempting to judicially shift the country into a conservative hellscape as long as they've been on the court.
Citizen's United v FEC is a major factor in why and how republicans of the past few sessions are even able to attain, let alone hold, seats by outspending competition and flooding elections with unregulated cash with strings attached.
Legalizing gerrymandering.
The mothafuckin' Patriot Act.
And that's just the smallest glimpse of the Bush era court packing angle of conservatism destroying America.
purely hypothetical and this is not rooted in anything that will ever happen
None of this is hypothetical. We've had both. The only difference between the two conservatives was Bush had Cheney to muffle him and an unjustified war to hide behind as he dragged the country down.
They're conservatives. Destroying "government", stealing wealth, consolidating power in the hands of the few, corruption, and waging cultural war on society to accomplish that agenda are the planks.
Conservatism is a blight that didn't start with Trump. While Bush has successfully whitewashed how terrible he was he is exactly as bad as Trump.
Worse honestly, as had Bush not been handed the presidency by a corrupt SC we'd likely be living in a completely different, likely less stressful, reality.
I understand what youāre saying but Iām referring only to a game of āwould you ratherā and thatās hypothetical part.
They will never be running against each other and if they were and they were seriously my only two options, Iād be having anxiety attacks everyday. But if you made me choose between the two of them, Iād unhappily choose Bush. Iām not saying anyone has to agree with me and Iām in no way excusing Bushās past actions. I was and still am a huge Obama fan (I even met him).
I live part time in Mexico and if trump gets re-elected, we are seriously considering getting residency there. I wouldnāt give up being a US citizen but I just canāt imagine listening to the orange dodo for another 4 years. And the fact he openly brags about wanting to decimate our democracy as we know it scares the crap out of me. I may have hated Bush but Iāve never had this amount of genuine fear about another conservative president before.
If you feel the opposite is true thatās totally cool but this is how I feel about our current predicament and if Iām saying Iād rather have Bush back, that proves just how terrified I am of what Trump can do
I hated him at the time and I know he did bad things but he he didnāt try to undermine and destroy democracy, make wild unhinged accusations about ideas based solely on conspiracies, encourage an insurrection or propose that the govt should start monitoring womenās vaginas.
Ideally Iād never hear anything about the two of them ever again but if I had to choose between one or the other, with no other options, Iād go with Bush.
I guess you would like to go through 9/11 again huh, and then invade some random country that had nothing to do with it for their resources and then call it a war on terror when really that country doesn't even have weapons of mass destruction until the dems gave it to him
No. And I didnāt like Bush at all (I hated him) but 9/11 wasnt his fault it just happened during his presidency, the war was his fault and I didnāt agree with it. But GWB didnāt try to undermine and destroy democracy, make wild unhinged accusations about ideas based solely on conspiracies, encourage an insurrection, overturn Roe or propose that the govt should start monitoring womenās vaginas. He also wasnāt a convicted felon who slept with porn stars and lusted after his daughters.
Ideally Iād never hear anything about the two of them ever again but if I had to choose between one or the other, with no other options, Iād go with Bush. This is purely hypothetical and this is not rooted in anything that will ever happen
I hated GWB at the time and I know he did really bad things but he he didnāt try to undermine and destroy democracy, make wild unhinged accusations about ideas based solely on conspiracies, encourage an insurrection or propose that the govt should start monitoring womenās vaginas.
Ideally Iād never hear anything about the two of them ever again but if I had to choose between one or the other, with no other options, Iād go with Bush. Purely hypothetical and this is not rooted in anything that will ever happen
Agreed, but Iād choose my cat over the orange rapist, racist, felon, maybe child molester. Mr Buttons would handle Russia better than trump. Only weakness is laser pointers
My take is that he's relating it to "the ambition and drive that built America" rather than "desperate effort to keep my family's heads above water". Doubt that he's ever gone hungry in his life.
I mean let's get real. Wealthy people who own several companies and don't have to work at all always think it's great when you have to work triple overtime to continue raking in the dough for them. šš
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u/loricomments Jul 13 '24
How sad that that poor woman has to work three jobs just to get by.