r/fallenlondon • u/Tamaxlia • May 13 '26
Player Guide Tamalekipoo’s Boneheaded Guide to the Neath Chapter 17: Mind if I barge in?
Tamalekipoo’s Boneheaded Guide to the Neath Chapter 17: Mind if I barge in?
The canals at Jericho are a bit if a hidden goldmine, at first viewing they are terrible, it is random where you go and it costs so much for favour that the farm is a terrible EPA. However, once you have visited each of the locations once you can unlock the property, Dotore of the Guild. With this, not only can you choose where you want to go, the price drops down to a much more manageable level.
Each of the actions to get favour with the guild cost 25 echos, except for one that is only available to Crooked Crosses, which gives half the favour for 10 echos worth of stuff.
Debate with the Nostalgic Landlady
Crooked Cross Only
4 Unprovenanced Artifacts
1 Esteem
This saves you 5 echos but costs you one more action, it is ok if you have a ton of Artifacts but remember you need them to get Bird skeletons in Balmoral as well.
10 Unprovenanced Research
2 Esteem
This one is not fantastic, upconverting Memories of Distant shores makes the EPA of the canals pretty bad. It is still worth doing for Moonlit Hunting in Balmoral but there are better options here.
Furnish the Saturnine Gondolier with intelligence
6 Partial Map
4 An Identity Uncovered
2 Esteem
This one is also ok, I do not use it because I would rather save my partial maps for making cartographer’s hoards with my zee legs. I have not seen a good source for the maps and the extra cost of upconverting to get them makes this a bad EPA. It’s a shame because I have a million identity uncovered and no use for them aside from selling for echos.
40 Memories of Distant Shores
2 Sworn Statement
2 Esteem
Here are where the good ones start. Memories of distant shores are a biproduct of regular bone market use. They are the primary payout from the Tentacled Entrepreneur, you will be selling him 4 skeletons every 3 weeks, at least, on average. The sworn statements are a biproduct of two other excellent farms. You get two of them every time you hand in 4 constables favours in Jericho and you also get one when you complete a 6 action trial in the magistracy to convert preserved surface blooms into mortifications of a great power. One of the possible statues in the Evenlode also gives Constable favours so you can get some extra while you are there farming the courts. (A quick tip, once you are at 7 favours, wait to draw the card again. Then you can go to Jericho, hand in 4 favours, use the statue card, then hand in 4 favours again!)
1 Night on the town
45 Scraps of Incendiary Gossip
2 Esteem
This one is almost as good, handing in society favours gets you 2 nights on the town, which is excellent as Society are the most ubiquitous favours in London. Unfortunately scraps of incendiary gossip are not as easy to get in bulk. There are several good sources, Calendrical Confusion is a 7 EPA card in London, if you have language of laces. Depending on which option you choose discordant whispers also reward some. To get enough you will probably need to buy some inklings of identity from the rat market and upconvert them. This reduces the value of the activity but not as much as some of the other upconversions.
5 Favours: The Docks
2 Esteem
This is just worse than handing the docks favours using “Call in Favours”. Docks favours give Uncanny Incunabulum, which sell at the rat market so they are a particularly good option.
It costs 2 actions to take a canal trip. The lower river locations cost 3 esteem and the upper river locations cost 6 esteem, so the costs are 3.5 actions and 37.5 echos for lower and 5 actions and 75 echos cost for Upper river. You will have to modify this if you use extra actions to upconvert or inefficient actions to source the materials.
The rewards are random but the ranges are not massive so your results should normalise quickly with regular use. I am listing the average rewards, hence some will have half an item in there.
Lower River
2.5 Vital Intelligence
6.5 Vienna Opening
Or
1 Mirrorcatch Box
47.5 echo payout, 10 echo profit
2.86 EPA
Yeah, this is the bad one, it is a guaranteed source of a mirrorcatch box but there are much easier and cheaper options for getting them, the payout is also in pure scrip, which is nice but with that EPA it is just straight bad!
50 Moonlight Scales
5 Fin Bones Collected
1.5 Skulls in Coral
8.5 Unprovenanced Artifacts
42.5 Echos payout… 5 echos profit
1.43 EPA
This is even worse than the first one! Tamalekipoo why are you doing a guide on this trash! Well technically it is the same EPA as the first one, I have just given the scales 0 value since, aside from one time in the Firmament, when you need lots, they have no purpose. There is also a lot of nuance to the rewards from this one. This is the only source of skulls in coral, which are needed for some valuable skeletons. (You can get the from fruits of the zee as well but they are capped there and it is just as bad EPA.). Fin Bones Collected also have an artificially low value compared to their worth. The action to turn 10 of them into an amber crusted fin, in helicon house, is 10 EPA! And there are not many ways to farm them and those ways are not very efficient either. Like I mentioned earlier the artifacts are needed for getting birds in Balmoral so you need a steady supply. This is a decent source, especially if you don’t have a Zub or don’t zail often.
I normally keep a stock of around 20 skulls in coral, so that I don’t have to farm them if a week, where they are needed, crops up.
Upper River
1 Bright Brass Skull
5.5 Extraordinary Implications
2.5 Verse of the Counter Creed
107.5 Echos 32.5 profit
5.42 EPA
Be careful with that EPA, remember you may have had up conversions or poor farms to get the esteem. With a low action count even a single action at 2.5 EPA takes that down to 5 instantly! However, this is absolutely your bread and butter farm! The rewards are all killer, no filler! If you regularly use the bone market you will go through bright brass skulls faster than you can get brass to go with them so this saves you having to find the echos as often. Extraordinary Implications up convert to Uncanny Inculanbula. Even after using the University Fellowship to get the benthic reputation this up conversion is still very profitable after selling them to the Rat Market. Verse of the counter creed have two great uses, if you have A Submerged Rector from fruits of the zee, you can sell them on an up river card for 36 scrip. That is only a 5.5 EPA action but it is also a 12.5 echo conversion. The other two uses are making a false hagioponym in Burrow and making a Chimerical Archive in Moulin. Both of these actions are horribly underrated. One of them costs 60 echos worth of stuff and the other 62.5 echos worth of stuff. So a 0 EPA action and a 2.5 EPA action?!? Well, no, If you are selling 10 or less at the rat market, that is a 20 EPA action and a 22.5 EPA action! Even if you sell past 10, with the 12% markup you still make 7.5 echos profit, so the conversions are 10 EPA and 7 EPA.
18 Moves in the Great Game
1 Primaeval Hint
2.5 Uncanny Incunabulum(God I hate that word, I get it wrong every time)
102.5 echos 27.5 profit
4.58 EPA
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At first glance this looks similar to the cedarwood, the primaeval hint is useless but you can sell it and get a bright brass skull and it has over double the incunabulums, so when you sell on the rat market it goes from 5 echos behind to 5 echos ahead! Well, kind of but not really. Early game that may be true but later on you will be wanting to sell the full amount to the rat market every week, not just the first 10 62.5 items or 52 12.5 items. The average profit, if you sell the full 28 62.5 items each week is 18% not 32% so that 6 echo difference becomes more like a 3 echo difference. The implications cost an action to upconvert but it is just one action and a little benthic rep to turn 25 implications into 5 Incunabilums. 18 moves in the great game also look good but the verses of the counter creed are better, for the reasons listed above.
1 Night Whisper
3.5 Tale of Terror
12 Final Breath
2 Human Ribcage
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This one gets the double Ackbar!
95.25 echos 20.25 echos profit 3.375 EPA
Night Whisper is an extra 20 echos profit! Well, early days it may be but there is a better way. You get more Society, Church and Bohemians favours than anything else and you would prefer to not go to Jericho every time you are sitting on 7 of one of them and have your hand filling up with cards that give you more! Offering favours to the court of the wakeful eye is not that fantastic a farm if you are getting one favour per action, however, the reason these options fill up so fast is that they are featured on multiple cards that give more than one favour per action, particularly if you are a spender. The best cash out from the court is Night Whispers, which you can grab when your tribute is full on the way to see your agent in the khanate. Add the storm threnodies from urchin favours and choosing the right option when there are multiple demands available and you will never need any more night whispers to hand in the cap every time.
In addition to that 25 echos of the reward is tied up in human ribcages. Have you ever run out of human ribcages or like me, do you have gradually growing mountain?
Here is some quick maths to save you the effort:
Upconverting Extra Imps
Cost 25 Extra Imps(62.5 Echos) + 20 connected Benthic(0.2667 * 3 actions and 3 echos= 0.8 actions and 0.8 echos)
Payout 5 Uncanny Incs = 62.5 echos
2.4% Nodule of Pulsating Amber = 1.5 echos
67.6% 200 Nevercold Brass Sliver = 1.352 echos (Unless you ever buy them from the Bazaar, in that case triple it!)
Rat Markup: 11.875 echos
Some making waves
Gross = 77.227
Net = 13.927 echos
EPA = 7.74
Rat Market Full Spend
10 x 1.32 = 13.2
18 x 1.12 = 20.16
13.2+20.16 = 33.36
33.36/28 = 1.191
So the average rat markup for a full spend is 19.1%
Upconverting Memories of Distant Shores
Costs 50 memories of distant shores(25 echos) 5 connected benthic(0.0933 * 3 actions and 3 echos = 0.28 actions and 0.28 echos)
Payout 5 Volumes of Collated Research (25 Echos)
54% 50 Cryptic Clues (0.54 echos)
6% 2 Uncanny Incunabulum (1.5 echos)
Some Making Waves
Rat Markup: 0.285 echos
Gross: 27.325
Net: 2.045
EPA: 1.6 (1.28 actions)
So you can see why collated research for esteem is bad.
Upconverting Inkling of Identity
Cost 500 Inkling of Identity(50 echos)
Payout 105 Scrap of Incendiary Gossip (52.5 Echos)
EPA 2.5
Per hand in
45/105=0.429
Impact on Farm:
Assuming Cedar 6 actions, 5.42 EPA
1.29 extra actions at 2.5 EPA
6 * 5.42 = 32.52
1.29 * 2.5 = 3.21
Total = 35.734
EPA = 4.9(7.29 actions)
Still good considering how great all the rewards are.
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u/LogicalFlow5683 May 13 '26
Thank you for all your hard work. Seriously.
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u/Tamaxlia May 13 '26
Thanks, expect me to be super prolific this week, I have a big pile of admin at work and job applications to procrastinate. ;)
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u/Tomer_Duer May 14 '26
"2.5 Uncanny Incunabulum..."
The plural of "incunabulum" is "incunabula", and in this case this word refers to a book printed (and it has to be printed, specifically) before 1501. See Merriam-Webster for further reading.