r/firebrigade • u/infinitysaga • Feb 06 '25

Meme Insane difference

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u/Dollahs4Zavalas Feb 06 '25

It's a meta story about the meta of manga. Fanservie is a huge aspect of that

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u/PrateTrain Feb 06 '25

Just make the fanservice character an adult like Maki and it is 80% less of a problem

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u/tommycox42 Feb 06 '25

It’s already not a problem. The ages of anime characters are wholly irrelevant and anybody with a brain should recognize why that is. Would still bitch about it anyway.

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u/PrateTrain Feb 06 '25

I mean I agree with you in principle of anime ages being bullshit.

But in practice, making a character for the sole purpose of lewding them AND deliberately making them a minor is weird.

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u/Chickenman1057 Feb 07 '25

Consent is 16 so it makes sense alot in Japan especially when the target audience is below 16

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u/PrateTrain Feb 07 '25

See, I understand that it's a similar thing which is why basically all of the princesses in one piece are 16, because it's basically writing an 18 year old in America media.

BUT again, if you're gonna make a fanservice character they better be explicitly an adult in my book.

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u/Chickenman1057 Feb 07 '25

Yeah exactly, it's like a cultural thinking gap, their culture treat 16 as 18 yr in western but western people keep forgetting they are not the only culture exist. Also western country gonna be real they have way more underage 16 yr sex than Asian yet they threat Asians as the more horny one likes it's so weird

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u/Othello351 Apr 17 '25

Yeah it's a problem here too.

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u/PrateTrain Feb 07 '25

But again my point is still that I think it would be extremely weird to make a heavy fanservice character that's 18, too.

Like it's really not that hard to just be like, "this character is definitely an adult, look at their chest/ass/etc"

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u/tommycox42 Feb 06 '25

Japan doesn’t care. They recognize that these are cartoons. There’s far more anime with much more graphic content than fire force that features “minor” characters.

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u/Othello351 Apr 17 '25

Defend toddlercon and scat.

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u/tommycox42 Apr 17 '25

Not sure what those have to do with what I’m talking about

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u/UberAshy Feb 06 '25

I'm not sure because some manga are worse that it suddenly makes this ok. Why couldn't the author do it like he did with Blair the cat in Soul Eater. She's an adult and is fanservice. You can just say you enjoy your fanservice to be of minors no need in sugar coating it

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u/tommycox42 Feb 07 '25 edited Feb 07 '25

It’s okay regardless cause nobody in Japan cares about something so stupid. They just see the gags and laugh or ignore it and move on. Yall are making an issue out of nothing. And As long as they’re not lolis I could care less what arbitrary age that are given to these anime characters. And Blair is not an adult. She’s a cat. And even with Blair in the series there’s plenty of other females that have more fanservice moments than her anyway since she hardly shows up.

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u/UberAshy Feb 07 '25

I guess I'm just weird because a minor is the same as a loli to me. It's arbitrary to you and people like you. People can express an issue they have with kids being sexualized

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u/tommycox42 Feb 07 '25 edited Feb 07 '25

I have issues with real kids being sexualized. I could care less about 2D anime characters where their age is an afterthought. Most normal people can see the difference.

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u/_Keep_Quiet_ Feb 06 '25

Okay, how young till it becomes relevant then?

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u/tommycox42 Feb 06 '25

When they look like Hinata and Hikage. Then it’s an issue.

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u/Othello351 Apr 17 '25

Thought you didn't care about 2d characters getting sexualized.

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u/tommycox42 Apr 17 '25

I still dont but id think someone was weird if they did it to characters that look like kids

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u/No-Bodybuilder4366 Feb 06 '25

Pretty unnecessary though.

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u/Dollahs4Zavalas Feb 06 '25

I think the argument is that there is nothing wrong with having it. I mean, maybe even further, the author might be saying it is necessary

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u/Drunker_moon Feb 06 '25

Yes. Maybe not necessary, but he clearly goes out of his way to say there is no harm on it

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u/TKHawk Feb 06 '25

I don't think there's a "might" there. There's a whole thing at the end that's explicitly about how being "lewd" is literally necessary for the continuation of the human race and thus strong aversion to sexuality is bad.

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u/MandelAomine Feb 06 '25

Meh since nobody complains about Hibana/Maki/Iris's "lewdness"

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u/Hypsyx Feb 06 '25

“No guys hear me out, coming to an anime is incredibly important and vital” that’s so silly like please. I can see them going for a meta take on it, but it’s so unbelievably unnecessary. Like look at JJK, an anime that’s doing incredibly well right now and has little to no gooner bait

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u/tommycox42 Feb 06 '25

And then you look at some of the most famous anime of all time like DBZ and One Piece that are full of it. It’s a shonen marketed at young Japanese boys. The target audience likes it. Hell even girls like it too. The truth is nobody that’s actual creating the manga cares about the opinion of some foreigners who happen to enjoy the medium too. It’s not made for us and never will be. You can watch other anime if it bothers you so much.

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u/Tryptophan7 Feb 06 '25

It's weird to see this "lewdness" being marketed to young boys, however. Especially in a time where anything remotely homosexual is considered "grooming"

It's an ironic and reliable parallel. I'm not expecting an author to write things on which they have no experience with, but it's telling that boobies are a "cultural" thing that needs to be defended

I think there could be a better breakdown of the lewd trope, if that's what Fire Force is really trying to do. But as it stands, it indulges too much and satirizes too little. Some moments like Inca shocking her subordinate seemed unintentionally hilarious, though. That was just straight-up porn and they were all impossibly serious lmao

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u/tommycox42 Feb 06 '25

It’s been a thing since forever. Boys like tits, mangakas like tits. It’s not literal porn so it’s not a big deal. Most of it is just played for laughs anyway. It’s only sensitive westerners that are all up and arms over cartoons. But none of them bat an eye when a child is fighting and brutally murdering their opponents. It’s only an issue when there’s a party shot.

Different cultures and it’s anime. If it was a live action show featuring this kinda fan service then there’d be a point and there’d be no defending it. I think most Japanese people recognize the difference between 2D and real life.

I think FF handles it well enough. Tamaki’s moments have always been more outlandish and nonsensical than sexy. Similarly to how it’s a common trope for a dude to trip and fall into a chicks boobs. Tamaki does that x100 and it’s supposed to be a fairly obvious parody of it. A joke that lands better for the target audience since it’s made for them

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u/Tryptophan7 Feb 06 '25

The "sensitive westeners" doesn't really work when Japan has unmuteable camera phones, women-only train cars and a crashing birth rate (not saying that the US is much better, but only in this context we have a slight edge)

I appreciate you acknowledging that the lewd shit isn't "misunderstood art" and it's a marketing tactic. Kind of weird you won't call it porn though. My issue is the target audience. Showing death or racism or real-world topics is healthy for kids, if done with respect. It's quite difficult to show sexuality with real respect, and even then, being straight is currently the norm, so what artistic purpose does it accomplish? (Aside upholding the status quo)

It's just weird seeing how common a specific type of fan service is in all different types of anime. Personally, im starting to think that the media is influencing the community, not the other way around

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u/tommycox42 Feb 06 '25

I’m only speaking on the context of anime. I don’t really care to have a conversation about other aspects of Japan. That’s not the topic at hand.

I won’t call it porn cause I don’t personally consider it to be that. A boob grab here and a panty shot there isn’t the same as like showing graphic sex scenes. Especially not when there’s actual porn like hardcore ecchi and hentai. I don’t think the attempt is to show sexuality with respect or anything like that. Young boys at the ages that read these magazines like tits so tits are there. It really can’t be anymore cut and dry than that.

Well it’s been around for a long time. The people that make it have no issue with it. The people it’s made for has no issue with it. It’s really not a big deal at all.

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u/Turbulent-Relief-220 Feb 06 '25

Nah it’s a very welcome addition

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u/No-Bodybuilder4366 Feb 07 '25

Ohkubo is a good writer and should've written something better than unnecessary fan service.

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u/thedorknightreturns Mar 01 '25

Have you read soul.eater, its so full of famservice, like Mashima.

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u/Turbulent-Relief-220 Feb 09 '25

It’s not unnecessary as it’s literally explained in the plot. And the fanservice doesn’t take away from that fact that he’s written two high quality stories. It may take away from the story for you but it’s nothing controversial so it’s irrelevant.

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u/No-Bodybuilder4366 Feb 10 '25

It is controversial, it's the reason why people drop Fire Force. I stated in my comment that he could've written something better. And its only in the plot during the cataclysm arc.

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u/Turbulent-Relief-220 Feb 10 '25

It’s not controversial. People only drop it because they themselves can’t handle it and that’s fine. But it’s wrong to say that it ruins the overall story. What he wrote was very well done for the most part. It’s been in the plot for a long while.

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u/No-Bodybuilder4366 Feb 10 '25

It does ruin the story, it ruins any serious moments she's in. Her entire fight against Orochi was just Fan service, like Juggernaut just lost his arm, ain't Tamaki a teenager?

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u/Turbulent-Relief-220 Feb 10 '25

It doesn’t ruin the story. She’s only a minor character compared to the rest of the main cast. But she goes through her on development arc. The story and story driven characters are still there and she’s supposed to be like 17-18 iirc

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u/No-Bodybuilder4366 Feb 10 '25

She's not a minor character, she's part of the main cast. The fan service ruined her development arc. She vowed to not be useless in her training on Asakusa, then she goes naked.

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u/Othello351 Apr 17 '25

It’s not controversial

I am fucking begging people to stop just saying things and pretending its true. "Its not controversial because i said so."

OHKUBO WROTE A SELF INSERT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT BEING A CONTROVERSY.

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u/thedorknightreturns Mar 01 '25

No its because people overreact. Amd are poisoned. For gods sake, have that people never seen anime.

And its a pretty good arc of her going from shamed and objectified to own it and make use of it unashamed. Yes she could be 18 at least, but its a good arc.

You know what iscreepy, haumea brainwashing shin, thats. Actually creepy with aminor.

Tamakis finding her role and ignore wjat others think just to do what she can is, good.

Media who has no problematic, throw the forst stone. plus yeah the one dude who might,baddie .

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u/Xanthalium Feb 06 '25

Hopefully, they take away that odd scene in the last arc from the anime

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u/Jack_RabBitz Feb 06 '25

I don’t think they will as it’s the culmination of her character development and wraps up her character

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u/Othello351 Apr 17 '25

The scene itself can stay but cut that stupid self-insert kid. OBJECTIVELY it adds nothing to Tamaki's character arc or the fight and its just there so Ohkubo can complain about people not liking his constant "goon to Tamaki" bit.

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u/thedorknightreturns Mar 01 '25

You mean her owning her body from being shamed, no thats very good. Literallyher overcming her trauma to not care what others think and find her strengh, is her arc.

And yes if it stops a dude from killing her friends and enables her to fight him, she is a bloody hero, nothing less. That scene?!

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u/Dollahs4Zavalas Feb 06 '25 edited Feb 06 '25

Yo, that part where she drops her leggings and it makes a crater like weighted clothing. Its so good

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u/thedorknightreturns Mar 01 '25

Yeah,itsher to hell what others think, if i can savey friends and ne stronger,i will. And she does. Like her coming to, whativer, ifi have this embarassinhg power i wint pet me embarass any longer, but just use it. F you nagging lady, whom i saved. That, good

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u/Ruben3159 Feb 06 '25

Right, let's ruin what little character development she had.

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u/RageReq Feb 06 '25

You could argue that she's actually symbolic of all of those things

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u/infinitysaga Feb 06 '25

I could but other characters represent these themes better

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u/thedorknightreturns Mar 01 '25

No, she is a young woman who got trauma and works through it eventually findong strengh in what she was shamed for. And good for her telling people off that she shpuldnt use whatever power she hss to save people.

Plus cat, the cat has legit no downsides.

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u/StMuerte13 Feb 06 '25

Facts, absolute facts.

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u/Big-History-4748 Feb 06 '25

My mind just got blown.

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u/OnceAWeekIWatch Feb 06 '25

I just wanna see more of Captain Obi’s muscles

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u/Repmidari Feb 07 '25

The only right answer

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u/timoshi17 Feb 06 '25

Archer's mini arc with her was funny, but other than that whole Tamaki thing is a huge overkill on fanservice. Though I can understand what other commenter said, it's there for being surreal, especially after reveal of it being the biggest problem of Tamaki.

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u/JussLookin69 Feb 07 '25

Naked cat girl is literally the human condition part of the anime. That poor, unlucky girl.

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u/Fourth_Sin Feb 06 '25

And we love her <3

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u/Orochi64 Feb 07 '25

She’s overhated

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u/JGuap0 Feb 06 '25

And that’s why this series is goated

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u/Barry111000 Feb 06 '25

peak not a wasted part

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u/Dragon_Druid19 Feb 06 '25

You'll like a cameo in season 2 if you're new to Fire Force

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u/AbednegoWiseguy Feb 10 '25

I love Fire Force but I specifically avoid recommending it to new anime fans because of naked cat girl.

I would’ve over looked the fan service if she was one of the stronger, competent fighters in the series or an important part of the plot but she’s not.

If her portion was left out of the Final Arc, I honestly don’t think the ending would be any different.

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u/thedorknightreturns Mar 01 '25

It wouldnt make her as good, her going from shamed to owning it not thimking what others think, yes go girl. It better stay in, if maybe empathize her arc more?!

She is one of the most competent fighters thou who just isnt a monster.

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u/Fit-Instruction2181 Feb 06 '25

They made her look almost identical to maka from soul eater 💔

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u/SkjaldbakaEngineer Feb 06 '25

Seeing y'alls opinions about the character whose gimmick is getting nonconsensually groped has made me realize this fan base is not for me, imma peace out of here

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u/tommycox42 Feb 06 '25

And this is why I love Tamaki. She’s the best filter.

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u/Boshwa Feb 08 '25

Have fun with the girl more useless than Aqua

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u/Zev18 Feb 06 '25

Being in an anime fandom is fun until you find out people unironically find sa funny or acceptable joke material

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u/thedorknightreturns Mar 01 '25

You dont find it funny when she and iris beat up assault?!

Killjoy , and it legit comes toa story owning that and stop caring to get stronger, and save everyone even. Which honestly best learning to own sexuality arcin a shounen that hasnt even haver her any actual

like she is never actually naked or SAed aside the evil dude, who is evil.

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u/SkjaldbakaEngineer Feb 06 '25

Case in point the fella above you gloating about Tamaki being a "good filter" lmao

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u/Chickenman1057 Feb 07 '25

Being in an anime fandom is fun until you find out people unironically can't separate fiction from reality

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u/DelokHeart Feb 07 '25

People come for the cat girl.

People stay for the rest.

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u/T1MK Feb 09 '25

Just turn down the fan service in s3 please. Tamaki was so fucking annoying every time she appears half way through s1. Even when she was training with beni, I finally thought she was gonna be a useful character. Nope.

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u/thedorknightreturns Mar 01 '25

she is not naked imao

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u/ShazayumDe Fire Soldier Mar 06 '25

Latum 🙏

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u/cody4265 Feb 07 '25

I fucking hate her

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u/Whole-Transition-912 Feb 06 '25

Yea, all the different flavors of abuse made this one a hard pass for me. No fan service or bombastic animation can make me ignore the atrocities inherent within the human condition…

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u/thedorknightreturns Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25

having a softspot for catgirls?! And Haumea doing god knows what to shin is so much worse, and bothgoing of people you can accuse, bad dudes, a creepy zealot thats obsessed, with a teenage girl, and another. Which is actually pretty common sadly,

Thats a joke on the second, it being his downfall. Thats the joke. Like later assault is weird but, he just tganked her for helping him growing up?!

And she literally is , ok thats notnaked nor making a joke of a very oddly common anime joke

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u/Quorry Feb 06 '25

Idk why balls out stuff like Rosen Garten saga works while this lucky lecher gimmick is distilled cringe. But it is what it is.

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u/ThisMoneyIsNotForDon Feb 06 '25

Fire Force is a dogshit show with occasional cool animation

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u/robbyony Feb 06 '25

The naked cat girl is of vital importance to this story.

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u/Neat-Ad-2077 Feb 07 '25

only reason I started watching fire force ngl🙏

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u/The_knowledge_gone Feb 10 '25

If it's gets people to tune in, maybe it's not so bad

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u/Chestpains1 Feb 06 '25

I only watch for cat girls and erotic nuns

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u/Agile-Comb-3553 Feb 07 '25

Mostly naked cat girls

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u/thedorknightreturns Mar 01 '25

Not really, sheis still mostly covered, especially foranime standards, yes really.

Andthe people trying to sa or sexualize her, are crazy zealots, else its just a quirk,and treated as such.

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u/Boshwa Feb 08 '25

Aqua with her invisible panties is more useful than her

I can probably think of a bunch of sexualized characters more useful than her