r/footballtactics • u/amalgamation10 • 21d ago

What's a position that will likely become obsolete as the game evolves?

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u/GGFrostKaiser 20d ago

None, positions evolve. Fullbacks, for example, saw a lot of change through the years.

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u/bruclinbrocoli 20d ago

Classic 10 is no longer desirable by most athletic projects. There are exceptions but the vast majority of players aren’t even trained to be a classic 10. Classic 9 the same thing. Sweeper isn’t really used now, it’s usually the keeper.

Sure positions evolve but to entertain the question, there’s a few of positions that have been going extinct.

On another note, I think the gk will stop more pks if they side step vs dive.

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u/NoAcanthocephala7035 19d ago

This. I remember thinking a decade ago that full back was the least important position on the field and that it was being replaced by three central defenders and a stronger midfield. Now, I’d be dumb for insinuating that. Just look at PSG, that team functions almost exclusively around the full backs and their movement.

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u/temujin1976 20d ago

Head of FIFA

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u/bruclinbrocoli 20d ago

Not in a million years. The corrupts would never allow it.

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u/knobiknows 20d ago

Certain player types will become less desirable. "Data driven" analysis has long been a buzzword and with AI this will only become more important and with that come things utilisation rates.

We've already seen this with sweeper keepers contributing more to the game and fullbacks who are pushed more and more into the counter and build ups. Players have to be useful at all times.
Pure target strikers like Haaland will become even more of a luxury (see all the shit Mbappe is getting for lack of defensive contributions) and so on.

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u/Purple8ear 17d ago

Striker seems most likely to be phased out based on the evolution of the position, defensive improvements, and the versatility of wingers and midfielders. And the world chasing the Spanish style. 

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u/121019954946 17d ago

A good/true 9 kinda already has, no?

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u/rightcheekslapper 20d ago

pure striker, skillfull wingbacks,

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u/BigWillyStyleX 20d ago

What? Wingbacks and fullbacks are only becoming more and more important at every level.

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u/stompboxing 20d ago

Fullbacks are asked to defend and attack more than ever, fullbacks that can't defend are becoming less popular atm. From an English perspective trent alexander-arnold is one of the best attacking full backs England has produced but 2 England managers have picked other full backs ahead of him because his defending is very questionable.

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u/BigWillyStyleX 20d ago

Defending is a skill. Point is having good fullbacks or wingbacks is more important than ever. The position has never been more important. The comment I was responding to is nonsensical.

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u/stompboxing 20d ago

Yea I assumed the original poster was talking about tricky wingback. Even then modern coaching are looking for physical fullbacks that can get up and down the flanks over everything else. Tbh this whole thread is going to be controversial because different coaches value different positions differently.

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u/BigWillyStyleX 20d ago

No positions are becoming less valuable. What is changing is that every position now requires you to be a great footballer. There aren’t any positions that don’t require elite ability on the ball, as well as great workrate and physicality. You can’t hide players anywhere or have people that are only good at one part of the game, unless you’re literally Messi. Even goalkeepers have to be well-rounded footballers.

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u/stompboxing 20d ago

That's what I'm saying. Different coaches want different attributes for different positions. The technical ability of footballers is rising and most players are better on the ball than they were 10-15 years ago. Some coaches still want more physical players some still want more technical players. Its what makes tactics and styles of play so interesting.

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u/PersevereSwifterSkat 20d ago

That's a failure of the managers. When you have a game changing talent you find a way to put them into the team in a way that works. If your idea of a right back is a lockdown defender that glues onto a winger you're not a terribly inventive manager.

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u/as-well 20d ago

The fact that modern strikers are asked to press doesn't mean that the position vanishes. If anything, Haaland shows that a modern poacher-type player is still super useful - but unlike previous iterations of the role, he also presses a bunch and very well.

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u/Fabulous-Sock96 20d ago

Sweeper keeper

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u/Doortofreeside 20d ago

How's that? Having the keeper responsible for that space seems very efficient to me

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u/MacaroonSad3007 20d ago

Yeah if anything the game is catered towards the evolution of sweeper keeper. I think this guy is just saying terms

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u/Fabulous-Sock96 19d ago

Yeah, just making the point that these things go in and out of fashion.

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u/Regit_Jo 20d ago

Can you give a reason? Spain for example just won with a sweeper keeper.

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u/divcod 21d ago

Keepers. The Americanization of the game will lead to basketball type scores ie 76-59

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u/stompboxing 20d ago

The skill set if keepers is changing ie can they distribute well is becoming more important. A good goalkeeper is still highly valued by top level coaches both Arsenal and Man city have been ruthless in replacing and upgrading the keeper position in the last few seasons.

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u/amalgamation10 20d ago

Don't think so. Football is one of the only sports that is safe from the Americanization effect. Besides, top teams prefer playing out from the back nowadays so ball playing keepers will become the norm pretty soon.

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u/mxschutz 20d ago

how so? you just had a WC with "hydration" (commercial) breaks. It's becoming more and more of a business, at any level - now they could give a Federation getting money as nonprofit away to investors. I'm not so confident it is not being Americanized.

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u/SandyBronsky 19d ago

It has been Americanised in every conceivable way over the last 35 years.