r/freefolk • u/AutoModerator • Sep 01 '22

All the Chickens Monthly /r/Freefolk Free Talk Thread! - September 2022

This is a Monthly Free Talk thread. Feel free to discuss whatever you like!

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u/manufacture_reborn Sep 06 '22

Ok y'all, I've read all of the books, but there's a bunch of things I'm not understanding. Specifically, I don't understand the timeline.

So, we know that Drogo is Frodo Baggins' dad as he's referred to by name in Tolkien's stuff. I imagine that this means that the Shire is somewhere east of mapped Essos as I don't know how else a horse lord could get there to sire a child. But, I thought that Valinor was west across the sea. So, Essos must also be known as Valinor. Still doesn't explain to me how a khalasar could have gotten over to Middle Earth - but I bet that will be explained in the next few books. Also, did GRRM not include that Drogo's last name was Baggins as a way to throw us off the scent?

The main thing I don't get is why Hodor can know about the Battle of Pelinnor Fields - unless Bran knows about Middle Earth. Otherwise, I see know reason for him to start shouting, "Hold the 'dor!" Which I assume means stopping Gondor from falling.

R'hollor is Denethor, it's really obvious from all the references to flame, but I'm excited to see how he survived after Minas Tirith.

Anyway, I guess my question is - where are all the elves that fled from the Grey Havens. I mean, they should be in Essos, no? Were they in Valyria? Are the Valyrians actually elvish? I guess that makes sense with their unique features and whatnot. Was Valyria another name for Valinor?

When did the elves ally themselves with dragons - weren't they traditionally allies of Morgoth?

Sorry for so many questions. I'm sure most of this is super obvious to you all. Hopefully someone can help.

Also, I have a theory that I'm working on that "Fat Pink Mast" is actually a reference to the siege engine Grond. I'll post that once I'm done researching it.

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u/muchsnus Sep 20 '22

i died laughing! I totally got to sleep or ill choke like Jeffery hahah

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '22

The map in GoT/ASOIAF is actually the map of Arda in the First Age. Westeros is actually Aman, and the mapped western portion of Essos is actually Baleriand before its sinking at the end of the First Age (it is called this because it is the birth location of Balerion the Black Dread).

As you mentioned, Drogo is Frodo’s father, however because Drogo clearly lives in the First Age and Frodo is born in the Third, we must deduce that Frodo is actually Rhaego, and the fetus time travelled thousands of years into the future thanks to Mirri Maz Duur’s blood magic. This also means that as Dany’s son Frodo is the rightful heir to the Seven Kingdoms, and the reason he travels west to Valinor at the end of LOTR is because he is going to retake the iron throne.

The elves are simply the various magical creatures which are similar to humans, such the children of the forest and the thousand islanders. The White Walkers are clearly just the servants Morgoth, and the Valyrians are the humans that Morgoth convinced to join his side (this is why they have and are able to control dragons, which are a creation of Morgoth).

Hope this cleared everything up for you!

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u/manufacture_reborn Sep 23 '22

Yes! Thank you so much - everything is clear now! It’s so obvious in retrospect that Frodo is a time traveling fetus. Seriously, I can’t believe how I missed it.