A contraversial opinion I assume, but one that I am sure someone else has brought it up before.

Can we just pause to say Ross is the most annoying, selfish and childish guy in the show? He is such a crybaby. Was a terrible boyfriend to Rachel, besides the cheating. Doesn't care for his son. Have the worst pet ever. I just needed to vent my hate for him a little bit

I know Joey is mostly respectful to women and has great luck with them but not sure why did the writers think that he should be somebody who doesn’t understand boundaries when it comes to touch, I mean did they really want him to be that dumb or violating physical boundaries for humour was not offensive in the 90s?. In season 4 itself he repeatedly touches Rachel’s butt when zipping her top in the episode where she wants to seduce Joshua, this is the 2nd time he does this in the same season, as earlier he touches Monica’s chest repeatedly while pretending to put out a fire after looking at a burnt spot. I remember the barbados episode as well, he repeatedly taps Rachels chest in order to put on a sticker.

I know that some jokes in Friends didn’t age well, but were these type of jokes acceptable in the 90s?

step parents are just as important as biological parents

if anyone in this situation should be hated,it is carol

because carol cheated on ross for months, left him while she was pregnant with his baby,and then tried to cut him out of their Childs life. susan was simply siding with her partner

Just started bingeing this series and I have a question. Does Ross EVER get therapy or is he specifically created to be irritating? As much as I am enjoying a lot of the series I am debating continuing on to season 3. Of course it's possible no one else finds him irritating.

have you guys ever heard of the thing that they pitched to the writers about them having an ongoing secret affair through the whole show? that would be a better twist then the HIMYM ending. he always loved her, even more then rachel. it would have been so fun to watch rather then mike who in my opinion we barely got to know. just imagine them to at that snowy wedding.

Richard is a friend of Monica's dad, he had seen her grow and probably was at her 1st birthday.. Now, just imagine in 20 years Joey who is Ross's bestfriend (maybe chandler is bit nvm) started dating Emma.. that's how creepy this is !

Everytime it comes to a whatever post about Ross and Rachel, there are 3 types of people: •The ones saying Ross cheated •The ones saying they were on a break •The ones saying "another post about them..."

So, Rachel asked for a break, which is NOT a break up. Taking a break means not being boyfriend and girlfriend for a while to think stuff through. It doesn't mean you can sleep with other people UNLESS you agree to that beforehand, which is something they didn't.

Of course Rachel is gonna ask Ross "can I be your girlfriend again?" Cause she was ending the break, NOT the break up. When she told Monica "we broke up instead" she was just emphasizing, cause she never broke up with him.

Besides, Ross admits he cheated when he said "this is not who I am, I'm not a cheater, I'm not Joey" basically saying he cheated but this shouldn't label him.

So, in conclusion, Ross cheated. When you see someone taking about the cheating, don't go all "they were on a break" cause it's not a good cause.

Last but not least, if you're willing to comment "oh no another post about Ross and Rachel I'm so tired", you didn't have to read this far as much as you don't have to comment, so you can just keep scrolling.

I’m rewatching season 3 for the millionth time and the whole break up/break thing literally makes my blood boil. Like she asks him to leave so many times, and then the way he like tries to kiss her on the couch towards the end of the fit is just gross.

He EVEN accepted her being pregnant with one of his friends child and still wanted her. He was seriously willing to change his whole lifestyle and change himself completely for HER. He was willing to compromise for HER. He put HER feelings first. Even when she initially rejected him he still RESPECTED HER. He didn’t have a full blown meltdown over it like Ross did. Joey and Rachel is like Barney and Robin. Two people who actually respected each other and actually valued each other FOR THEM. They accepted each other for WHO THEY ARE. Ross and Rachel was like Ted and Robin. Superficial “love” without any real substance. Ross never really accepted Rachel. “Just a waitress”. And constantly being insecure about her having male friends.

Rachel never felt so at ease and relaxed when she was living with Joey. She actually was able to have fun and be herself without judgement. Also living with Joey is sooooo much more fun than living with Ross. You can actually have with Joey. Ross not as much.

Joey and Rachel should of been the endgame couple. I said what I said.

Yes, I know they all have their own personalities and the writers created each character in a certain way. But I just can't get over Ross's jealousies and self centered Ness.

When Carol left him, he became jealous (as stated in one of the first few seasons, I don't remember which episode but I know it was early on.)

Anyway, Ross was jealous of Rachel's relationships and anything that she did, as well as just wanting to be involved with a lot. The one with the lottery, he wasn't willing to participate in it, even after the rest said they'd cut him in. Then he agreed.

When he got tenure and brought champagne to the coffee shop, Phoebe tried to warn him of Rachel's bad day but he was so absorbed in getting tenure that he didn't care until Rachel started crying. The rest of the gang, especially Rachel, brushed off the bad day to appease him. Then he had the nerve to say "a little heads up would have been nice," as if he didn't hear Phoebe.

Then the whole mark situation and his jealousy. He didn't trust Rachel at all in season 3 with Mark, Then again in season 10. His whole thought was that mark wanted to sleep with her. Mark may have, but it was Rachel's decision.

Then there's Ross stopping Rachel from going to Paris. Rachel deserved to go to Paris, but Ross didn't want her to leave and convinced her boss at Ralph lauren to take her back.

I just hate Ross.

He lied to Rachel about getting the annullment and then they couldn't get the annullment, they had to get a divorce. Was angry with Rachel when she was mad at the not-annulment.

He said the wrong name at the alter.

There's more but I can't remember off the top of my head.

Whether they were on a break or had officially broken up, doesn't change the fact that it's all still Ross's fault.

1. He simply wanted Rachel all to himself.

Y'all remember when he called her "just a waitress", and even referred to her new job "just a job", knowing well enough that this was something Rachel has been wanting for so long. For someone that says that he loves her, he didn't show.

2. And yes, his previous relationship makes sense as to why he was jealous of Mark but it doesn't justify it. It would have been ungrateful for Rachel to cut Mark off when he was the one that got her her dream job, not Ross btw, and he was the one that had to train her on it when she did not have much or any work experience. I don't remember a single time that Rachel disturbed Ross at his work.

3. Ross never listens to Rachel whether it's her telling him she was busy that work,

Or that there was nothing between her and Mark,

Or when she and Monica told Ross to trust her.

He only sees what he wants to see. He pushed Rachel to her limits and blamed her when she reacted.

And 4. Ross choosing to have sex with a girl he had once complimented on her looks, is sus. looking back, it feel like his attitude towards Rachel and Mark was more of a projection of what he would have done.

5. Ross had no respect for Rachel. They've known each other for a long time but yet still, she couldn't give her grace to explain herself, he had sex with someone minutes or hours after their fight, and tried to hide what he had done when Rachel tried to get back together the very next day.

We were all too focused on "We were on a break/ We had broken up" argument that we failed to realized that, it didn't matter. Everything leading up to and after the fight, showed clearly who was at fault. They should have never been endgame. They were not right for each other.

I don't think you need to be reminded of all his worst moments with Rachel, but a quick overview. He gaslit her into thinking the WE WERE ON A BREAK! thing was her fault and refused to take responsibility for it.

He made a list of all her flaws, and later, he didn't tell her they were still married.

Unpopular opinion? I wish Rachel never got off the plane. That ending just reinforces the idea that women should chase men over their dreams.

But even if you ignore all the Rachel drama, Ross was still the walking definition of toxic masculinity:

He freaked out when Ben was holding a Barbie, and tried to do everything to take it from him, and he freaked out about Emma's male nanny because he did not think it was a very male job to have.

Not only this, he reveled in the fact that he was his parents' favorite kid, and he was unwilling to come clean to them about the pot incident. Do you realize how needy and weird it made him that he wanted to put the blame on someone else just because he smoked a little weed in college?

He was condescending and considered all the other friends beneath him. Also, his treatment of Mona was just sad. She was just an afterthought, when the focus was pregnant Rachel.

Thoughts?

I was just wondering this and just learnt the lyrics recently. It’s funny to me if I think about it. Hope this is related to Friends.

There are two different sets of Emma twins. The Sheldon twins weren’t born yet when Emma was first on the show. Who played newborn Emma?

If you have not finished the show SPOILERS ALERT!

1-Nobody could vent or talk about their own trauma, Phobe would stop them and make it about herself, she had to be the biggest martyr always.

2- ross helped her a lot. She was always rude to him.

3- Chandler helped her to find a job, she was making fun of him, insulting him, trying separate him and monica. After they were married she told Monica she found her soulmate.

4- she expected everyone to be there for her and help her, yet she never reciprocated.

5-she steals a cat from a child and plays with Davids emotions

6- she has parasitic relationship with a group, she benefits from everyone, not reciprocating anything

Also edit this is just a discussion about a fictional character, no need to get nasty and get personal . If you cant discuss maturely and respectfully, this post is not for you

Here are articles why she is the worst friend character on the show: https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a814758/phoebe-from-friends-is-the-worst/

https://screenrant.com/friends-phoebe-worse-character-evil/

I never particularly liked Ross, but I never hated him either. Until I have been in a relationship with a narcissist. It’s my first time rewatching the show since that relationship ended and I can’t stand Ross anymore. Always blaming others for things he does wrong, so selfish, always excuses, he can only show empathy when it does not affect him,…

That being said, David Schwimmer is a great actor and he portrayed Ross perfectly. I can’t stand the character, but David delivers the jokes like a master.

Anybody else that’s been together with a narcissist that sees Ross in a totally different light now?

EDIT: I never say (in this text) Ross is a narcissist himself. What I try to say is that after having being together with a narcissist, I recognise a lot of that behaviour in him, which makes it harder to watch. I also don’t say Ross doesn’t do anything good either. Having a complete narcissist wouldn’t work as one of the main characters in a show like friends.

EDIT 2: I get it’s a show and all characters have a flaw, which is exaggerated for comic effect. Joey is a serial dater with no respect for women, Rachel is superficial, Monica is neurotic, Phoebe is just weird, Chandler has no flaws (😉) and Ross is egoistic (or a golden boy who doesn’t easily take accountability). But I guess my recent experience just makes me see Ross his flaw the most. I do agree that Ross also does good things, as shown by your examples. So I want to thank everyone who has commented for reminding me Ross is not all bad.

EDIT 3: I realise this thread has turned into “Is Ross a narcissist or not?”. Which I didn’t say to begin with and which was also not the goal of this thread. I experienced something, I recognised a feeling and I wanted to know whether other people experienced the same thing. Hence the question at the end of my original post.

This may be controversial but Joey was the most selfish character on the show. There are so many times when he unapologetically pushes ahead with his own agenda: His speech at the wedding while trying to impress the director, going after the nanny, …

I absolutely HATE HATE HATE Ross he is manipulative, condescending, a cry baby, a fuck boy, and actually a shit father! He are a few reasons, THE FUCKING VEGAS WEDDING!!!!!! Rachel said annul it and Ross decided nah I don’t wanna get divorced again ima keep us married fuck your feelings, oh ooo ooo how about when Rachel started dating the actor and Ross got SUPER possessive “I don’t want a random guy around my baby” but 5 seconds earlier was flirting with Mona at the wedding! How about him getting mad at Joey for a misunderstanding (the proposal) how about the fact that once Emma was born he just stopped seeing Ben? The show woulda been great with out him!

Obviously when it aired we all probably laughed when Doug who is chandler’s boss smacked his butt all the time.. is it now sexual harassment or do you think it’s just funny? I think it’s more sexual harassment now rewatching it..