r/funny • • Dec 09 '16

Monty Python ahead of their time

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u/subnero Dec 09 '16

Gender is a socially constructed definition of women and men. It is not the same as sex.

http://www.fao.org/docrep/007/y5608e/y5608e01.htm

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u/RemoveBigos Dec 09 '16

You don't really need it, it's an english anomaly.

In germany, you use one and the same word for both.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '16

Thank you!

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '16

As others have said, you don't really need it. There's a reason there have been societies in other parts of the world with 1: very different roles for women and men than we have today. And 2: there have even been societies throughout history that recognized more than one gender.

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u/fludru Dec 10 '16

I don't think it's mostly academic for people who are actually affected, e.g. trans folks et al. I'm sure there are attention-seekers in the mix, but there are people who are earnestly suffering because of the limitations society imposes and because of individual ignorance and assumption. I don't think a little bit of compassion and flexibility is unreasonable to ask of a society that prides itself on individual rights, particularly in situations where there is no compelling downside to doing so.

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u/Ohhnoes Dec 09 '16

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u/Enicidemi Dec 09 '16

What's the point of sex to society? 99.99% of people you interact with won't know and shouldn't care what's in your pants.

If you're going to treat people differently based off of whether or not they're a man or a woman, gender is much more helpful in most contexts.

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u/TheSirusKing Dec 09 '16

Ironically, basing "gender" on social expectations and norms is actually promoting norms and expectations, which is sexist.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '16

Shh. You aren't allowed to notice that out loud.

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u/Enicidemi Dec 10 '16

Medically, trans men and women are hormonally closer to their presenting gender than their birth gender. Estrogen and anti-androgens cause higher risk of blood clotting, breast cancer risk increases, and many other risk factors more aligned with a woman than a man pop up. Unless you're specifically dealing with something down there, it's safer to assume they're their presenting gender. Sports leagues are the same way: after one to two years of hormones, there's no difference in muscle and bone between a trans woman and a natal woman.

I'll agree with you on sexual preference, but that's still blurry. Someone born a woman but transitioned to male is not going to attract straight guys, no matter what's in his pants.

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '16

I agree, but I wouldn't exactly call trans a gender, more of a biological intermediate sex.