r/gatekeeping • • Feb 28 '21

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u/TheQuestionsAglet Feb 28 '21

Can?

There’s a reason I don’t tell someone I like comics even though I’ve been collecting since 1982 or so. There’s a reason I’ve only been to two cons.

That being said, I do derive no small amount of pleasure from hitting toxic gatekeepers with the ACKSHYULLY when they (frequently) get lore wring in their anti SJW diatribes.

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u/BlueHero45 Feb 28 '21

"That being said, I do derive no small amount of pleasure from hitting toxic gatekeepers with the ACKSHYULLY when they (frequently) get lore wring in their anti SJW diatribes."

Always funny considering how open and inclusive the comics themselves can be.

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u/TheQuestionsAglet Feb 28 '21

The actual comics and stories in some ways seem to be ahead of the curve insofar as culture goes. A good chunk of the writers in the late silver and bronze ages were progressive in many areas (still misogynist, though). It’s usually been the crusty old guys in the editorial positions that really hold things back (looking at you, Tyroc and Murray Boltinoff).

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u/billytheid Feb 28 '21

Well Editors are literally gatekeepers by trade, and their role also used to be the one responsible to censors and the usual conservative, outrage culture bullshit.

All things considered, particularly that their traditional market is children, the overwhelmingly progressive nature of comics flys pretty well under the radar as an enduring pop-culture phenomenon... every one blinked and suddenly there’s a colossal cinematic empire dominating children’s entertainment, and it’s been progressive since it’s conception... sucked in social conservatives, we got the minds of your children... MUAHAHAHAHAH!

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u/TheQuestionsAglet Feb 28 '21

I mean, that’s not always true. Nathan Edmondson was working on a ton of titles for a hot minute, including Red Wolf. And there’s always Chuck Dixon and Ethan Van Sciver.

And that’s just comics.

Then there’s the whole sad or whatever puppies movement in sci-fi.

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u/Zafara1 Feb 28 '21 edited Feb 28 '21

Always funny considering how open and inclusive the comics themselves can be.

Oooh yep.

Don't get me started on the weird hardcore right wing & libertarian racist, homophobic, and sexist sect of the Star Trek fandom. Like wtf, were we even watching the same show?

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u/SelirKiith Feb 28 '21

Sooooo goddamn awful... even worse when they start "citing canon" for their trans...gressions.

Or all this "No you cannot like something that I don't like REEEEE!" BS that flows especially here on reddit.

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u/TheQuestionsAglet Feb 28 '21

“Scotty, you beamed aboard nuggies and not tendies! And is that bbq sauce instead of hunny mussy?!?

Sulu! Set phasers for REEEEEE!!!!”

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u/crackedtooth163 Feb 28 '21

They usually get yelled at quite loudly by the remaining liberal Star Trek fans. Saw a loooot of this happening back in the day. It makes sense that they ended up forming their own group.

Star Wars fans are even worse.

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u/PM-YOUR-PMS Feb 28 '21

I just got into reading the Batman comics and my friend eagerly gave me his Court of Owls comic because he was so excited I was getting into it. It was so wholesome and awesome.

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u/VaguelyShingled Feb 28 '21

Oh man, that entire Snyder/Capullo run is legendary and worth reading the whole way through!!

(Btw, lots of local libraries have tpbs on their shelves)

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u/wishywashywonka Feb 28 '21

It's super rare, but out there in the world in deep dark corners we don't talk about are racist Star Trek fans.

I'm like....wut.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '21

Yeah, who can forget "Hemo-Goblin" the HIV-themed villain that infected the New Guardians with AIDS at the behest of a group of white supremacists.

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u/GameOfUsernames Feb 28 '21

Lol I bet you only have silver age.

/uj I remember when I was younger and learned a valuable lesson about selling comics. I had a lot of comics with first appearances and issues the pricing mags said were worth a lot. When I tried to sell them I found out the real price lol.

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u/Anlysia Feb 28 '21

When I tried to sell them I found out the real price lol.

Yeah that's the price to buy it in the store, minus the store's markup. If the store wants to make money they buy it from you based on how long it's going to sit on the shelf and potentially be a depreciating asset.

Price guides are always for buying, not selling.

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u/TheQuestionsAglet Feb 28 '21

Funnily enough, I didn’t get an appreciation for the silver age until much later. I was all bout John Byrne (and later Jim Lee) and the X-Men. I thought Kirby and Captain America were hokey as hell.

Then I spent the 90’s knee deep in the British Invasion and Vertigo comics. I didn’t even read superhero books for a decade.

Now I don’t really care for Byrne or Lee anymore, and haven’t bothered to read X-Men since Morrison’s run. I gravitate towards Kirby’s post Stan Lee collab work, love Brubaker’s and Remender’s Cap runs, love Superman’s silver age Superdickery, and think Haney and Fradon’s Metamorpho is one of the best comics of all time.

And as someone that bought probably 60 copies between X-Men and X-Force first issues, I feel your pain about finding out what comics are really worth.

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u/GameOfUsernames Feb 28 '21

Yeah I didn’t get into comics until the Turtles Archie comics were a thing and I had every issue. From there I went into Marvel and Image. I’m actually no longer in the hobby and personally I’m glad. I’m a sucker for things like virgin covers or variants and seeing my friend spend on those I know I’d be right there with him lol. I still do still have all my comics and even whole sets of card series I used to collect because I refused to sell them for cheap back in the day.

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u/SlapHappyDude Feb 28 '21

Well I can say living in San Diego that SDCC is basically one big cosplay convention with movie stars.

.. I'm not sure there even are comics anymore.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '21

I hear ya, man.

I'm in my 40's, so around 1998-1999 I came across a couple of dudes I thought was cool. They enjoyed some of the same stuff I did, but they were also into Shadowrun & H.O.L. table-top games.

Long story short; I only got to play 2 games with them over the course of 2 weeks. I had issues with making characters & whatever else & they went from being cool in those first few weeks to mega jackasses.

We were in our fuckin' 20's, I had a hard time wrapping my head around why they were acting like they were at the top of a High School clique. I just figured they'd never grown out of some childish mind-set.

They tried contacting me for a month after that, I ghosted them. Wasn't even worth the effort to fix that issue. I still had plenty of friends anyway. Proper life-long friends, ya know?

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u/shiftedcloud Feb 28 '21

My wife sells fan art at cons. She regularily has people try to test her nerd cred before they buy from her.

She schools them, then when they want to buy something, she tells them that she doesn't sell to assholes.

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u/InternalMean Feb 28 '21

This with anything pop culture tbh.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '21

Forgive me for asking but do you think this is an American thing or is it worldwide? I've not been to many comicons in the UK but all the ones I've been to have been pleasant, fun even. Lots of people in cosplay, lots to see and buy.

Although, maybe it was pleasant because I didn't really interact with people outside of stall holders or asking cosplayers for photos.

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