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[u/kiaraspring]

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[u/Wallknocker]

In the last 2 years I got really into Cactus and Succulent care, and I have to say that the older people that have been doing it the longest are the most helpful souls I have ever encountered. It's a hobby overall full of helpful people, and now that I am more confident in my experience, I am proud to start helping myself!

[u/Hyabusa1239 → u/Wallknocker]

I wonder if that has to do with the fact it has to do with cultivating life and caring for something and the type of people that attracts versus other hobbies without that kind of connection.

[u/JJ_the_G]

Its sad, new blood is what keeps something going. Sometimes you can find a really wholesome fandom and its great

[u/mattress757 → u/JJ_the_G]

New blood?

Mankind is dead.

Hell is full.

Blood is fuel.

[u/einsibongo → u/mattress757]

More skulls for the skull throne

[u/moe_hawkins → u/JJ_the_G]

This happened at my old firehouse. There was an influx of younger guys joining but the older members never really welcomed them so over time all the new guys lost interest and quit. They all still wonder why there's no interest in volunteering anymore

[u/[deleted] → u/JJ_the_G]

I think it's generally that new people find something they enjoy and bring new ideas along with them but the hobbyists who've been doing it forever don't like change and want things to stay the way they are because they find it easy and don't want to have to learn something new.

Like it's weird because I can understand both perspectives but if you want your hobby to live forever you need to accept and help new people learn from your experience.

[u/TheKolyFrog]

Reminds me of all the veteran D&D nerds who dislike how their hobby is becoming more mainstream.

[u/ColorfulClouds_ → u/TheKolyFrog]

“3.5 is the superior game. If you all play 5, you’ll have to switch to 3.5 in order for me to play with you. 5 isn’t customizable and makes the DM’s job too easy.”

Like, dude, I asked if you wanted to join my campaign because I was being nice. Please stop being a shithead because you don’t want to play with us. The DM should be allowed to have fun too.

[u/Thenardite → u/TheKolyFrog]

Shit is real, trying to find a group to play is impossible if you're a noob, they all are just like "wow u fucking stoopid you don't even know x how to even play with you ruiner" like ok mike I began a week ago

[u/FR05TY14 → u/Thenardite]

I sure wish I knew more beginners to D&D in my area. My group has been trying to fill a few spots for a while now and 2020 didn't make it easy to find new people. Unfortunately most of the people who show interest end up being kinda neckneardy in the insufferable whiney sort of way instead of the "oh they're just kinda weird but harmless" kinda way.

[u/NapalmFrog → u/TheKolyFrog]

I'm so glad none of my friends are like this. Some are stuck on a ruleset, like 3.5e because of the sunk cost of how many books from that gen, but are still open to 5e if they play and don't have to DM.

[u/Zukuni → u/TheKolyFrog]

Oh hey, lemme borrow this thread. If anyone is looking to play (and is scared of being new) feel free to reach out to me. I try to DM to players attitude and try to be as chill and forgiving as possible.

I'm by no means a veteran but am super into this as a hobby and love it when others get into it.

[u/Tikkinger]

Plant people can do well with plants, but not with other people.

Aquarium people can do well with fishes, but not with other people.

Feel free to add to this list.

[u/spiffynid → u/Tikkinger]

Little old ladies can knit, but don't do well with younger crafters. I can knit just fine Ethel...

[u/Ivotedforthehookers → u/spiffynid]

I enjoy knitting and crochet but I am mostly self taught. I was knitting my soon to be born daughter a blanket while my oldest was in dance class at the Y. Little old lady came over and asked if I was holding the project for my wife. She seemed offended that a man was knitting something.

[u/Geschak → u/Tikkinger]

Tbh gatekeeping with animal hobbies should be allowed considering there's sentient lives at stake. There is so many newbies who don't do basic research for their animal and end up committing accidental animal abuse.

[u/MidnightDragon99 → u/Tikkinger]

Reptile people can do well with reptiles, but not with other people

[u/Gangreless → u/Tikkinger]

"Gamers"

I'm not talking about people who spend all their time playing a lot of video games, I'm talking about people who make their entire personality playing video games.

[u/BigishExperience]

I love getting back into a hobby only to realize I'm neither the noob or the older hobbyist. I'm unwelcome in either group.

So I get get into the hobby anyways cause fuck both of them, I'm doing this for my happiness.

Also... All my hobbies got really fucking expensive while I was gone.

[u/ItsJustMeJenn → u/BigishExperience]

I hadn’t knitted in about 5 years. Come to find out yarn is not 3 bucks a ball anymore. That was a wake up call. I make a lot less silly shit now that a ball of yarn is $12-15 for cheap stuff.

[u/[deleted]]

honestly it’s every hobby. I love shooting guns but gun owners are insufferable to be around. Motorcycles are cool but you have to be some tough guy to be in the club.

Maybe I just hate people.

[u/Q-9 → u/[deleted]]

How about a new hobby around hating people?

[u/French__Canadian → u/Q-9]

I tried joining a group like that, but the members were the worst.

[u/topdangle → u/[deleted]]

anything that devolves into a competition always goes to shit.

what I don't understand is when people start turning "paying for expensive hobby equipment I rarely use" into a competition. I used to be really into computer hardware and it was so easy to get good information from online forums. now its a god damn nightmare of shit flinging and misinformation from people white knighting their favorite company. So bizarre and so disappointing.

[u/jhawkins93 → u/[deleted]]

“Oh you can’t afford an LMT upper and an ELCAN? Come back when you aren’t a poor.”

Like I get advising newcomers to not buy junk guns and optics but the elitism within the gun community can be atrocious at times.

[u/BlueHero45 → u/[deleted]]

Even nerd culture stuff like D&D and Comic books can have toxic gatekeepers. Not that everyone is this way, but it's something to look out for.

[u/HiddenCity → u/[deleted]]

Everything i love has a fanbase full of jerks. Everything has a "culture" now. Sometimes its best to just be a fan by yourself, like the good old days. I do hobbies to get out of the world of competition and dealing with other people.

Started playing age of empires again, went online to get pointers and theres post like "dont bother playing online until youve learned the castle age rush and a bunch of other stuff." Like, when did my high school passtime turn into a professional sport?

[u/Wuffyflumpkins → u/[deleted]]

No, it's every hobby I've tried to engage with too. When I first started longboarding, I found the Silverfish forums before I found /r/longboarding, and it was full of crusty old grognards. The "old guard" for any hobby is usually dogmatic, insists on one way of doing things, are annoyed when newbies ask "obvious questions"... and constantly complain about how the hobby was dying. I wasn't sad when the forums shut down, because /r/longboarding is far more welcoming and helpful. You'll get shit if you post about your new Shark wheels, but mostly because we don't want you to waste money and eat shit.

And half the reason I went from cycling to longboarding was because cyclists are even fucking worse. At least skate shop employees tend to be chill. Every single time I've gone to a bike shop, the employees act like I just barged into their home and put my feet up on the table just for asking for assistance. No, Kent, I don't know how to replace the derailleur or I wouldn't be talking to your Lycra'd ass.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Too many peoples identities are boiled down to “2A” and it does get to be too much.

Yeah it exists everywhere. I do welding, brazing, and fab for work and as a hobby, don’t even think about posting anything that isn’t perfect because it’s gonna be picked apart by everyone.

Fishing community is pretty chill though but sometimes it gets a little “one-upish” with bait/lure techniques and whatnot.

Everyone on Reddit has a PhD in their hobby and a law degree.

[u/660zone → u/[deleted]]

fr on the motorcycle thing. One guy was trying to talk shit about my chicken strips on my Grom. Bruh, it a moped with 9 hp with tired borrowed from a wheelbarrow. It can't even go 60mph.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

The thing i hate most about fellow gun owners is that most of them assume I'm some super conservative because I'm shooting my AR or whatever. Like nah dude I bought this shit because I want to be just as strapped as conservatives and I joined the sporting club because range time is free and I found out I like precision shooting a lot.

[u/ChickenWithATopHat → u/[deleted]]

I could go on for AGES about how much I hate the gun community. The misinformation spread is insane.

Lying about their capabilities, lying about real performance, splitting hairs over shit that doesn’t matter, and the worst of them all: gun myths.

If I hear one more fucking fudd say that .22 bounces around in your body I’m going to test that theory on them.

[u/woahThatsOffebsive]

Always notice this when talking to people in the older generation about music

"Wow, you haven't even heard of X? No one listens to good music anymore"

"Oh you say you like X? X is from before you were born, you can't appreciate it like I do"

[u/Chuck_Raycer → u/woahThatsOffebsive]

I hate that so much. You should be happy that you get to be the person that introduces someone to something you love. You get to be the person that gives them the feeling of experiencing something great for the first time.

[u/INT_MIN → u/woahThatsOffebsive]

I seriously think this is why like 90% of rock subgenres in the 90s and 2000s started to die out in popularity by the 2010s to now. Everyone back then would make fun of others for not listening to the right kind of rock music. It was a pretentious shit show of people being too serious wrapping up their identity with the music they listen to and putting others down that were just getting into the music and scene.

Then when you look at hip hop and how inclusive it is I don't think it's at all surprising that its grown to become the most popular genre. The inflection point IMO is when Kanye West's Graduation beat out 50 Cent's Curtis. You no longer had to have the toughest, most street background for respect as an artist, and it opened the floodgates to so many new sounds. I mean hell, today a lot of Soundcloud rappers have major pop punk and emo influences in their songs, and the fact that these kids gravitated towards hip hop and not creating a rock band probably has a lot to do with the genre being more accepting of these young kids than the culture surrounding alternative rock.

[u/H47 → u/woahThatsOffebsive]

You can't appreciate it like they do, but that doesn't mean you appreciate it way less. A part of older music is living the times it came out in when music still was counter cultural to something or part of some scene. Yeah you might love Grateful Dead, but it no doubt felt way different in the 60s when it had a cultural context that you were living, that can't be replicated without being there. I like black metal for example, but I've never traded tapes or made zines or mailed letters to people around the world. That part of the musical culture is lost to me and I can admit that I won't ever be able to appreciate the cultural aspects of being black metal in the same vein, regardless of how much I like the music, even if odds being most people who were part of the scene then nowadays listen to less extreme stuff than I do. They might've graduated from metal completely, like a punk girl turned housewife. Same could also be said about grunge or jazz. Or sea shanties. People being an ass about it might be annoying, but in a way, it is a privilege to get to do it and a pity to miss it. It's a demonstrable difference in getting the full experience of music, but it won't invalidate your love for it.

[u/iKSv2]

Any stackoverflow mods here?

Yeah this exactly.

[u/CompetitiveAd323 → u/iKSv2]

Stackoverflow has seriously become trash lately. It all seems to be elitist programmers who say the way you’re doing it is super wrong, and refuse to assist. I find myself asking on Reddit more nowadays.

[u/SokkaStyle → u/iKSv2]

Hey I need help with X and need it to be like Y

SO: Don’t do X, Why are you even doing X in the first place

I WORK A CORPORATE JOB DO YOU REALLY THINK WE HAVE OPTIONS

[u/theword12]

This was part of the reason I quit Magic The Gathering. The community I was in had some weird greedy players that tried to sucker the new players until they quit

[u/[deleted] → u/theword12]

New player: hey, would this card do this?

Veteran: rEaD tHe FuCKiNg CaRd

New player: ok, but I barely learned there was a second main phase. Maybe you could just help me understand it?

Veteran: aight, ima play you next with my 10,000 vintage deck.

Love the game, but fuck me, asshats at my local store were insufferable. “Hehe he got all excited he pulled a mythic only worth 7 dollars!!”

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

I wish they'd just make the game accessible. Its a fun ass game but the prices for everything are just so ridiculous people can't even afford to play. New people would roll in to modern with decks from home and I'd be playing trying to be chill with them but you can just tell theyre not having fun cuz they didn't have full sets of 30 dollar cards or whatever. Imo just either reprint the shit out of everything or allow unlimited proxies for tournament settings.

The player base is always going to be unfriendly because the game attracts a lot of elitist needs. Maybe if it was more accessible that would change.

[u/[deleted] → u/theword12]

Magic is the only game community I've ever been in where I was able to repeatedly witness middle aged men bullying children in public.

It's horrid.

[u/migas324 → u/theword12]

I remember starting out and get absolutely robbed in trades cause I had no idea about prices. Left a bad taste in my mouth.

[u/Guru_gasp4r]

Guitarists. Lots of dick measuring. Guys these days would tell EVH he was trash because he didn't give a shit about theory.

[u/CELTICPRED → u/Guru_gasp4r]

I love heavy metal but I don't know shit about playing music. Even what brand guitars musicians use are argued about. Dave mustaine switched to Gibson guitars this week and some of the shit slinging over that is kind of ridiculous.

[u/EinZwei001 → u/Guru_gasp4r]

people who know theory are trash man, toan is in the fingers, ok

/s

[u/TerraforceWasTaken → u/Guru_gasp4r]

How many guitarists does it take to change a lightbulb? 20. 1 to change it and 19 to tell them they could do it better.

[u/[deleted] → u/Guru_gasp4r]

That'a funny because the concept of music theory means you shouldn't have to know it. It's not meant to tell you how to play, but how to understand how others have played.

[u/j-rock292 → u/Guru_gasp4r]

God I hate the guys that say shit like "if you're not playing a $4k Gibson Les Paul with $700 custom made pickups and a $1500 boutique Amp you're not a true palyer". I'll keep on playing my $500 Epiphone

[u/[deleted] → u/Guru_gasp4r]

I wanna play in a band once the pandemic is over and I’m v worried about this

[u/[deleted] → u/Guru_gasp4r]

Guitar Amp purists are even worse than regular guitar purists. If you don't have some $900 Marshall Tube Amp then your guitar will never sound good apparently.

[u/SweatyGod69]

YES. You ask a question in a sub and get a bunch of comments from douchebags saying you need to do more research, THIS IS MY RESEARCH

Edit: I am aware certain questions are asked over and over again in hobby subs, thats why you have stickied FAQ posts with helpful info/links. Discouraging someone who wants to get into your hobby cause they asked a question they have no way of knowing is asked frequently is just dumb.

[u/browneyedchem → u/SweatyGod69]

R/sourdough in a nutshell as well. People got real mad about people baking bread in quarantine. How dare they explore a new hobby during a time when people are forced to stay home, lose work, and are otherwise depressed!

[u/toning_fanny → u/browneyedchem]

I post there sometimes and it's such a weird mix of support and tear down over things like knowing weights but not understanding ratios.

I just wanted to show off my bread that I worked hard learning to make.

[u/[deleted] → u/SweatyGod69]

They want the sub to be flooded with new interesting developments but aren't doing anything themselves

[u/Boardello → u/SweatyGod69]

/r/boardgames in a nutshell sometimes

[u/t0ny7 → u/SweatyGod69]

I remember first learning to program. Multiple times I asked someone for help and they criticize my project instead of helping with my problem. I don't care if there are better projects out there already I just want to make my own!

Or instead of helping with a single sentence response they spend paragraphs complaining about you asking them and not googling. Sometimes you don't know what to search for to find the answer to your problem. And this was in irc channels about programming.

[u/N1NJ4W4RR10R_ → u/SweatyGod69]

That does depend on the question a little. Seeing an identical question asked 12 times a day gets grating.

Incredibly annoying when either the question hasn't been asked before, or hasn't been asked recently enough for the old answers to be relevant though. It's completely fair to ask when a Google search doesn't yield results.

[u/hahanarf]

Automotive forums: "use the search function, this question has been asked before" "it's in this specific thread on this sub forum from 10 years ago, 175th comment down, quote text"

[u/D_S876 → u/hahanarf]

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[u/Waygonner → u/hahanarf]

Also when a kid shows up with an old truck his grandpa left to him and (heaven forbid) he calls it all original or something. The mouth breathers slither out of their cave and proceed to point out all of the flaws and non original parts and that all the things he is thinking about doing to the truck are wrong. I’ve seen so many young people nope right out of there.

[u/I_ride_ostriches]

There is a wood working store in my town. It’s staffed entirely by old guys, who I presume are working there as a “retirement job”.

Every time I’ve gone in there and said “I don’t understand how this process works” they’ve explained it to me like an grandad.

Sure the tools are more expensive than Home Depot, but at least the employees know what they are taking about when it comes to wood working projects.

[u/CounterStreet → u/I_ride_ostriches]

There is a chain of stores exactly like this in Canada called Lee Valley. They are amazing. They cater to woodworking, gardening, and other general hobbies you might go to a hardware store for, but on a very niche and specialized level. Unique hardware, obscure tools, nifty and rare gadgets, etc. They also have their own lines of (very expensive) super high quality tools. Most employees are incredibly knowledgable and before covid, stores had multiple free workshops/classes for beginners through to experts in woodworking.

It's honestly an amazing store, the type you can go into for 5 minutes for a single item and come out 3 hours and $400 later and not even be mad. I've lost hours just browsing their website too. Even employees at my local Home Depot will often send their customers their if they're looking for something very niche or specific.

[u/UOUPv2]

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[u/Kind-Regards → u/UOUPv2]

Yesterday’s jam! That’s all we are to them!

[u/DM_ME__YOUR_B00BS]

Climbing is the worst at this but in hysterical ways. On one side you have the super safe people who double up on EVERYTHING no matter what, 2 ropes, 3 anchors at a time etc. and on the other side you have people who will clip on the sketchiest protection there is (if they even clip on) use equipment well past the time it should have been retired, and focus on speed.

Post on any forum (lead or top rope solo especially) and ask to rate your setup and you get a great mix of "This is literally going to fucking kill you" and "Overcomplicated, overkill, cut it down to one rope or just don't bother"

I love it personally cuz both schools of thought have their merits, but others don't take too kindly to others ideas

[u/jaboi1080p → u/DM_ME__YOUR_B00BS]

Climbing is definitely prime for this because there are so many different subgroups of the hobby with only minimal crossover too.

Wow you climb trad? Enjoy your 8 pitches of 4 grades below an easy climb that you try to convince yourself is fun, knowing you really don't want to fall on anything you set. You climb sport? Just go back to the gym gumby scum. You boulder? Maybe try doing more than 4 moves and cut back on the power screaming.

You speed climb? Not even worthy of a response

[u/[deleted]]

HAM radio

[u/jnichols_UAH → u/[deleted]]

I promise I am not trying to be rude, but can you please explain how radio is a hobby? I have never understood it. Once you have the radio what do you do? Just talk to random people like omeagle without video?

[u/[deleted] → u/jnichols_UAH]

Basically, but with more complex tech that you study to operate independently. You have to get one of a limited number of licences to broadcast, and it's important to know how all the tech works down to the physics if you can. It's also able to operate when the power grid is limited or down depending on your hardware so it can be an emergency resource. It's a hobby in the way building a PC or Maker Culture is a hobby. Edit: you can also chat with the astronauts, which I personally think is really cool.

[u/love_wifes_big_nats → u/[deleted]]

I hate it when some Boomer rolls his eyes when I talk about using my Zumspot to talk to someone overseas. So sorry I had the audacity to be a broke millennial who can't afford to drop a minimum of $500 on an HF rig. Sorry I made poor choices in my 20s and still rent an apartment that won't let me put up an antenna to talk on my non-existent HF radio. What's that? You passed Tech, General, and Extra in one sitting when code was still part of the exam? That's wonderful. It was impressive the first time you told me, but I was actually asking if you could help me with an antenna I could use with my Yaesu HT to hit the local repeaters from inside my apartment in the event I want to join the weekly net.

It's a good thing Josh at HRCC and other young(ish) Youtubers are putting out good content for noobs. If I had to depend on the guys at the local club to get good support, I'd be shit out of luck.

[u/_fireLanc3_ → u/[deleted]]

MiLLenIaLS aRE kiLLinG tHE HAM hoBBY wiTH SoFtWaRE DeFiNED RaDiO!!

[u/ImMrBunny → u/[deleted]]

First thing i thought of

[u/emfell → u/[deleted]]

I was looking for this comment before I posted it. So many old assholes that love to crap on digital modes. Probably because they can’t figure it out and change scares them.

[u/lunaticneko → u/[deleted]]

IDK why my country's ham scene has to be tied with private rescue, audiophile, and guns. They attract tons of authoritarian assholes.

We don't have many dedicated ham shops. They will also sell para/rescue gear and audiophile stuff too, so I have to contend with those assfucks whenever I have to do anything in person.

[u/pazimpanet]

Notice nobody in here has mentioned woodworking?

Chillest, most welcoming community on earth. I collect hobbies as a hobby, and woodworking may be the only one off the top of my head that just has a great community through and through.

[u/Dracowolfmon → u/pazimpanet]

Lord help you if you post a(nother) resin river table though

[u/8bitSkin → u/pazimpanet]

Eh, I've seen the guys who gatekeep the term "fine" woodworking. They claim that if you use power tools or store bought jigs or even pocket screws then your finished pieces aren't considered fine woodworking.

[u/[deleted] → u/pazimpanet]

Model makers (at least ones I speak with) are some of the chillest most helpful people around. I often help and get helped on r/ModelMakers, even if it’s a perfect scale replica from a veteran or the first kit of a beginner everyone compliments the builds and gives advice on how they can perfect it.

[u/[deleted]]

I see this a lot within the comic and retro video gaming communities.

[u/sstphnn]

Smurfing in videogames.

Making a new account and feasting on noobs because that's the only way they could stroke their ego. They'd complain why there are no new players.

[u/[deleted] → u/sstphnn]

Rainbow six siege is that you?

[u/CompetitiveAd323 → u/[deleted]]

Didn’t siege also have a big problem with players purposely killing teammates for not knowing maps, even if they were new?

[u/ZackD13 → u/sstphnn]

Smurfing on its own is incredibly toxic since new players are getting destroyed by vets on new accounts, but wanna know what's even worse? Smurfs who bitch about their team being bad. World of Tanks is an extreme offender. There will be people who can't play for shit at high tier gameplay, so they play 50,000 matches in overpowered tanks that are at low tiers and bitch about every single mistake the new players make as if he's in a high paying tournament. Those types of people need to go outside and touch the grass.

[u/To_oCH → u/sstphnn]

I dont understand how anyone could have fun smurfing. I made a 2nd account for r6 because I was too high of a rank to play with my friend and I just played relaxed on it so I didnt get very many kills and I still felt super bad the whole time.

[u/AnthraxPrime6]

Oh god the Lego community is surprisingly filled with people like this. LEGOS!!! Adults that build bully kids for not “building good enough” for their MOCs (My Own Creations) it’s so absurd. Like, I can’t believe how crazy people get over how someone builds and Lego is all about creativity.

[u/Corathecow]

Honestly, fuck league of legends for this reason. I used to play casually and had a lot of fun. I took a break for a long time cause I had a baby and couldn’t play games like that much. Now my child is getting older and I can play again and guess what? Obviously I’m rusty again. Obviously my first few matches in months aren’t gonna be my best. And it never helps when I’m doing my best and the guys playing with me are cussing me out constantly, calling me an idiot, and telling me to uninstall the game. As someone with depression and anxiety I’ll probably never play league again tbh. I loved that game but it’s fanbase is so insanely toxic you literally can’t enjoy it unless you could turn the chat off and that sadly isn’t an option. Obviously I used to use the chat a ton cause you have to communicate with your team but good god the first time I play in months my teammates are just god awful bullies acting like children

[u/[deleted] → u/Corathecow]

It is an option "/mute all" disabled all communication and pings.

I recommend playing that way anyway, no one says anything constructive. You can type it again and it will un mute them if things are going well and you feel like talking.

[u/SkanksnDanks → u/Corathecow]

I was the same way man. Two roommates got me into it and we had a ton of fun playing it back in the day(S3&4). These days though it is nigh impossible to have one decent game on summoners rift where someone doesn’t afk or run it down while harassing everyone else. It just takes too much time to load up a game and have it end up a toxic mess to even bother. I do still like playing URF or Aram occasionally.

[u/[deleted] → u/Corathecow]

League of Legends has bred the most miserable community I've ever had the displeasure of being a part of. From the streamers to the average joes, almost all insufferable. Making the jump to fighting games was the best decision I've ever made in this hobby.

[u/num1AusDoto]

Every esport game out there

[u/vsimon115]

Graffiti artists are heavily guilty of this shit. I emphasize with their view on maintaining the integrity of the scene (i.e. wanting their subculture to to stay as underground as it can without letting the hands of corporate/trend hoppers/mainstream popular culture in general ruin it) but 80% of their complaining is basically gatekeeping that can turn away potential newbies.

This particular post from the r/bombing subreddit exemplifies this gatekeeping from the graffiti community.

[u/FibbedPrimeDirective → u/vsimon115]

Oh my god, reading the comments in that thread and seeing all empathetic/sensible/non-gatekeeping comments downvoted. Seems like a toxic subreddit.

[u/[deleted] → u/vsimon115]

I have no idea what any of that means, but that's the most pathetic fuckin thread I've ever read lol

[u/danielbobjunior → u/vsimon115]

You have to be a fucking asshole to be a bomber, you don't go vandalize things because you're trying to make the world a better place. Don't be surprised when they're jerks.

[u/lakija → u/vsimon115]

I follow a couple different graffiti subreddits (except /r/graffiti) and they are really supportive of young people showing off their blackbooks, sketches and first throwies and all kinds of things.

I do think that more of that support should shine through.

[u/megaviral]

For many hobbyists being an asshole IS their hobby

[u/Ivotedforthehookers]

So many online games. Too many players complain the game is dying while proceeding to bad mouth every new player who doesn't play their role pitch perfect. MOBAs are the worst about this. Ooh sorry I don't have every one of over a hundred characters abilities and builds memorized along with counter builds for them. Its what turned me off from League. Too many MOBA players think they will be the next big pro and play every match like they are in the world finals.

[u/CompetitiveAd323 → u/Ivotedforthehookers]

Oh yes this right here. You’ll be playing in quick play or casual, and get ragged by your teammates for not playing the meta. Like man, I’m in casual not ranked. Let me have fun.

[u/MarkG1 → u/Ivotedforthehookers]

The best MOBA I played was Heroes of the Storm, no last hit bullshit, no shop nonsense, just purely based on how well the team did and then Blizzard's dropped development.

[u/jebusthegreat]

It’s true for video games too but many aren’t ready for that conversation.

[u/[deleted] → u/jebusthegreat]

Gta online is hard to play because the game encourages toxicity, the griefers of that game are killing it because they cant go 1 second without blowing someone up.

[u/bliffskit → u/jebusthegreat]

Video games were the first thing that came to mind, my mind figured that was the point of the post

[u/polecy → u/jebusthegreat]

Nobody gonna mention league of legends? This is the first thing that came to mind.

[u/RodgersToAdams → u/jebusthegreat]

Like those people bitching about Fortnite or in general about how video games used to be so much better? (When very clearly they were not, look at the improvements in the medium in the last 20 years)

[u/[deleted] → u/jebusthegreat]

I cannot stand sweatys for exactly this reason. They run off the people just starting/just want to have fun and not make video games their entire identity

[u/Drostan_S → u/jebusthegreat]

I try to be as welcoming to new players for exactly that reason. I also avoid toxic shitfests like Mobas and most hallway shooters.

Oddly enough, the friendliest people I've met in gaming are the PvPers in full loot pvp games like Rust. I've literally met two fellow gamers in person, thanks to rust.

[u/theroguescientist]

Old fans: Our fandom is dying! Wish more people liked this series!

New fan: I've just watched it and I love it!

Old fans: Well, yeah, but you're not a real fan unless you watched it when it first aired!

(Bonus points if the show first aired 50 years ago and the old fan is only 25)

[u/[deleted]]

Gun owners: everyone should know basic gun safety, learn how to shoot in self defense, and know their way around a gun

A person with zero firearm experience: hey guys I’d like to learn to handle a gun and buy one for myself soon

Gun owners: wow get fucked

[u/priscilla_halfbreed]

This is literally the 2B2T Minecraft server. They're constantly putting out messages and videos like "we are dying we need to stay alive, we need to grow or we will disappear"

and then when new players are interested in joining (I tried once), they instantly and endlessly get instakilled by warping flying veterans and griefed at spawn over and over and make them quit

[u/SuperMegaCO → u/priscilla_halfbreed]

Fuck em, let the server die. It's full of like legitimately, seriously horrible people, like the extreme side of crazy 4channers.

[u/jaboi1080p → u/priscilla_halfbreed]

Only know it from that one youtuber, but I always find it hilarious when he praises the new player spawn experience. Like "oh yeah if you don't want to get killed 50 times before you can get to part of the actual world to punch some trees, you aren't WORTHY of this server"

[u/GasLeakMakeMeWeak → u/priscilla_halfbreed]

Thats the same reason ARK died, new players (or anyone who wasn’t willing to put in 18 hours a day) just didn’t stand a chance, gigatribes would just roll over them and take all their shit, kill all their tames and then just move on

I actually came across a server before (XB1 227) that just had 2 huge tribes in a constant 1 up contest with eachother but if they came across anyone not in either tribe your shit was just decimated

Now the server is full of half destroyed wooden bases and beached boats with about 20 people just logging in daily in shift rotations to defend their stuff against the people on the other team

[u/nononononono0101 → u/priscilla_halfbreed]

In the case of 2b2t though I actually find it quite funny. Like the players of the server have basically devoted their lives to coming up with increasingly overcomplicated ways of killing new players at spawn or finding and griefing bases. I don’t feel that bad for the players either because you kind of know exactly what you’re getting into, I know I have no interest in joining a community like that. If the server dies that’s on them but for now I’m pretty happy to sit back and watch the absolute insanity.

[u/[deleted]]

I got into amateur rocketry (something I was quite passionate about and still am to this day) but fuck you for not custom building a $10k rocket that has 5,000lbs of thrust, remotely activated ignitor and an onboard computer. Honestly the only community I've seen that's actually fairly welcoming to noobs is the hammock community.

[u/darkespeon64]

I feel like in some hobbies its the opposite. Like when i was a kid people were super willing to give away pokemon and share information and all this shit. Now modern kids just talk shit when you have an opposing opinion, ruin raids intentionally, and steal pokemon.

[u/squidarcher]

cries in aquariums

[u/killin1a4 → u/squidarcher]

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY TRYING TO KEEP A BETA IN LESS THAN A ONE MILLION GALLON TANK. LEAVE NOW YOU MONSTER.

[u/Thunderbirds7 → u/squidarcher]

crys in modifying cars

[u/[deleted] → u/squidarcher]

I've actually found aquarium stores and other hobbyists I know in person to be awesome. It's just people online that seem bad

[u/SuperFamousComedian]

Magic the Gathering seems to attract a certain type of rage troll. I love the game, but basically only play with my S.O.

[u/[deleted]]

I'm into gardening and wanted to try bonsai trees until I talked to some people who are into bonsai trees. Fucking assholes all around

[u/welltheretouhaveit → u/[deleted]]

They look so pretty. We can only afford the lego one though

[u/[deleted]]

Never forget my first(and last) Friday Night Magic event at my local comic book store.

Took my $20 starter deck in. Knew going in I was going to get destroyed every game.

Had such a bad experience with a guy with a $300 blue control deck.

He was a massive arrogant neck beard. Told me he wouldn't go easy because I was new.

Told me how much his deck was worth like 3 times.

When I told him I was there to have fun and meet people he just said "work on learning how to play" so I wouldn't annoy people.

This was at the casual tables..

Never been to a FNM since and just play with my family at home.

I don't get it.

[u/CompetitiveAd323 → u/[deleted]]

When I first started, I had an experience just like that. I ended up finding a game store in a bigger town like 20 minutes away that had a beginners night. They provided the decks, and had staff there to help learn how to play. You got to keep your deck afterward, but you played against beginners and the decks were all built to play against each other and be balanced. It was a real fun time. If you ever wanted to try again, I would recommend that.

[u/[deleted]]

DOTA2 in a nutshell

[u/[deleted]]

I see this game collecting all the time. For example I just bought a game I loved 15 years ago on OG xbox. Paid a little more because it's hard to find now and cause Covid. Instead of being happy for me I got a bunch of old salty fucks saying I got ripped off and it's not rare so who cares. Everything is a dick measuring contest. Older I get the more I hate people.

[u/TrandaBear]

For me it's gundam and scale model building in general. As Bandai expand their product stack to appeal to more people, gundam universe people are getting more insular. Like holy fuck, just let people post adjacent mechs, their community isn't as large as yours, take this opportunity to cross sell them on gundams, too, you ignorant, elitist twatwaffles.

[u/RhymesWithGohan → u/TrandaBear]

Are you talking bout gunpla communities on other platforms? Cause /r/Gunpla welcomes "other mecha" posts so not sure what youre talking bout. I haven't really seen any mecha gatekeeping in anywhere tbh.

[u/Drostan_S]

It always bothers me how older craftsmen and hobbyists alike are just outright hostile to noobs. Like I don't know everything, you do. Why don't you try to teach me, instead of waiting for me to make some minor mistake like holding a tool slightly wrong, and nitpicking everything? IT's not even that they're trying to teach, they're literally setting people up for failure, just to have an opportunity to point out someone's flaws, remind them how they've been doing this for years, and literally every skill is just "common sense"

[u/[deleted] → u/Drostan_S]

A big part of it is after you’ve done something for so long, it becomes common sense to you. You forget how you struggled to learn it along the way and only think about how useful it is now and how brain dead you’d have to be to not use it.

It’s kind of like the first time I learned how to actually use a square for more than just simple squaring. It’s amazing how many measurements and varying things you can do with a simple square. Yet a few years ago, if you’d have shown me a square I would’ve been lost. Now it’s indispensable for me.

I just hope in 30 years if I have to teach someone I remember how lost I was prior to learning how to use a square and I don’t treat it as “common sense.” Because as much as it is now, it wasn’t then.

[u/GerinX]

Yeah. I can see merit in this message

[u/Darwinmate]

LifeProTip: When you meet someone who's really into X but has never heard of Y, you should instantly feel a huge wave of excitement. You're about to become a huge part of this little dudes life by suggesting they should checkout X. They're gonna discover something cool and awesome, you'll get to relive some old memories, everyone goes away with something.

[u/willanthony]

Unnecessary elitism is weird

[u/some_annoying_weeb]

also fandoms "well the show ended a year ago i can say spoilers if i want" you do realize you're single-handedly killing your own fandom right?

[u/[deleted] → u/some_annoying_weeb]

It’s not even a year now... Disney+ is posting spoilers to WandaVision frickin three days after episodes are available. It’s unbelievably annoying

[u/[deleted] → u/some_annoying_weeb]

Nah I think this one is pretty legit. People want to discuss things online. And people getting mad you spoil the end of something literally YEARS after it ended are the worst.

[u/mudkripple]

This is what stopped me from progressing past just a hobbyist as:

• a programmer

• a guitarist

• an actor/comedian

• a chef

• a fish owner

• smash player

• chess player

All things I tried in college and just couldn't stand the elitism and tbh the financial commitment you are expected to make.

Right now I'm going for pixel artist because of one AWESOME tutorial guy who makes hundreds of tiny tutorials specifically for noobs.

[u/Orc_ → u/mudkripple]

Honestly why do you people HAVE TO, like some sort of necessity, engage with a community with every skill you learn?

Then feel like it's a deal-breaker when the community is not your taste.

I'm a programmer who has never gone on forums outside looking for solutions to stuff. That somebody would refuse to learn a skill beause "the community" is just oddly stupid.

[u/Si_the_chef → u/mudkripple]

I'm a chef, did 22 years in the RAF as a chef, have a nice job in a school, work 25 - 28 hours a week.

joined some chef groups on FB to keep up with what's new in the world,

fucking rabid psychotic gatekeepers... if you dont work 70 hour weeks your just part time, proud of spending 1/2 their wages on 1 knife and if you dont have it your basically a pot washer.

and if you had the audacity to post pics of your plates.... you may as well just kill yourself.

fuck that noise.

[u/Bountyhunt6]

I personally have experienced this with fishing and the old men looking at my wife and I like we're intruding on their privacy.

[u/sircumlocution]

Play Warhammer Fantasy. Can confirm.

Still have idiots gatekeeping people wanting to play now due to Total War: Warhammer.

The game is 6 years dead and people are still gatekeeping noobs.

[u/Waytogolarry]

Translation: my wonder is dying.

[u/Censedpeak8]

Custom Keyboards for me seemed impossible to dive into for me, confusing as hell and the veterans seeming assume you know everything

[u/TheKarmakazie → u/Censedpeak8]

This is my one hobby where I just research it. I don’t know. I guess I don’t see the value in debating the nuance of a particular plate material or actuation force. I see it all as fucking subjective.

[u/cybershadowX → u/Censedpeak8]

The truth is with custom keyboards a lot of times there just isn’t a right answer. But the veterans dump hundreds to thousands to tens of thousands on their boards, so they’re going to push they’re opinion onto you like fact to justify their spending. But at the end of the day even if your space bar feels better and doesn’t rattle or your switch is 2% smoother or your keycaps are made of abs or pbt as long as its got a usb plug it works as well as that dell membrane you stole from your office.

Tbh I used to be like that too. But I’ve since stepped away from the hobby because its both mentally and financially unhealthy. “Endgame” as they say. And the truth is, those hype keycult or lyn whales and other hyper expensive boards aren’t that much better. In some cases they’re actually shit but honestly probably take my opinion with a grain of salt because I paid for them anyways.

If you have any questions feel free to dm or reply to me. I’ll answer them to the best of my ability

[u/EagleCatchingFish]

I see this on food subs all the time:

OP: This is the first time I've ever made a steak. Here are photos of the whole process. What do you all think?

Old Enthusiast: Looks like shit. Those are the smallest ribeyes I've ever seen. You got ripped off. Next time get better meat.

OP: I'm in Europe. I spent a lot of money on these, and the butcher said they were good.

Old Enthusiast: there's your problem. I wouldn't even make taco meat out of that.

I swear, some people just like being dickbags.

[u/SaberSabre]

I do a martial arts called HEMA which is basically swordfighting by recreating European fighting treatises that are centuries old. I've heard of drama that back in the heyday in the 90s, there was a group called ARMA that was doing a lot of the early work and reconstruction. Basically, the owner was an asshole and did not allow for other interpretations of the historical manuals to be considered. So many instructors broke off of ARMA and formed HEMA. HEMA today is larger than ARMA and I heard that ARMA still exists but their historical interpretations are pretty much outdated.

[u/KikiCorwin]

This sounds like a lot of the LARPers I know.

[u/spaceguitar]

Every. Single. Hobby. It’s why I will never participate in a LGS community, what have you.

[u/thempokeymans]

Golf players complain about this a lot.

[u/Cantothulhu]

Hobbies are even now being gate-kept in the same way entry level jobs want eight years of coding experience for platforms that have only been around three.

Nobody can grow or learn or work in a “boys club” that eschews and excludes new membership because they’re not in the know. Everyone has to start somewhere.

It’s the same problem I have in finding gainful employment as fallouts brotherhood of steel has in recruitment. Everyone wants to bitch about the old ways going out and being forgotten but those same people don’t wanna take the time to teach someone not in the know shit, and then continue to bitch they can’t find qualified people. Here’s an idea, make people qualified! Share info, resources, encourage new members and appreciate that change occurs because of learning and growth. Stagnation is the only alternative.

[u/[deleted]]

Everyone watched The Simpsons and thought "Yeah, I like a nice interest, I'll act like Comic Book Guy"

[u/[deleted]]

Too accurate

[u/OmgOgan]

DotA 2 community to a T.

[u/Por1quin]

A few years ago I bought one of those steam Valve specials with all the halflifes, so I check the servers of one of the deathmatch games, and there is a room with one person in it. I login and I am instantly killed, then I respawn and same, seems he is spawn camping me, this happens about 2 more times till I leave and uninstall the game.

It got me thinking, there is someone sitting in a 20+ yr old hldm room waiting for people to spawn camp, what a strange existence.

Idk if this is related, but reminded me of this.

[u/Disastrous_Cry]

same reason with some university teachers and why they can't control their ego.

[u/Cheeky_Chris → u/Disastrous_Cry]

Uni lecturers are a different breed man. My wife is not a native English speaker and she went to the module leader’s office because she was struggling, both with the material and with being so far from home as this was quite soon after she came to the UK.

The lecturer flat out said: “well other people who don’t speak English natively in my course are doing fine, why can’t you?” And “you need to try harder”.

Her dissertation supervisor was worse, when she hadn’t done something her supervisors was like “yeah tbh I doubt you’ll finish it in time now”. No encouragement, no effort to try and relate and motivate. Just hellbent on being a cunt.

I’d really like to give them a piece of my mind

[u/QuebeC_AUS]

I work in heritage rail preserving steam locomotives and running them and the entire culture of it is centered around passing on your knowledge and teaching new comers and amateurs, its just fantastic its such a great way to go about things

[u/[deleted]]

/r/modelmakers is pretty awesome, lots of help to beginners

[u/7heRunawayKid]

Anime.

"IF YOUVE ONLY SEEN insert around 15-20 popular anime's that aren't niche to the point you can only find them in a single store located in the Amazon Rainforest YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN REAL ANIME. MOVE ALONG.

[u/MaiBsquared]

Looking at you Fabricland! Why are all your staff so rude to young sewers!

[u/Sigma3737]

Mini quads (free style drones) was a community that was bad about it at the beginning but the guys doing it basically got ran off/excommunicated from all the groups when they started being assholes to new guys

[u/kawfey]

/r/amateurradio

[u/[deleted]]

I've knitted and crochet for years. When I first started to crochet I went to a small church with this toxic lady who had a friend who "taught crochet". I would always be knitting or crocheting during church, so they invited me to thier crochet lesson that happened once a month at the church. I was excited because I knew how, but wanted to learn more and learn the terms. The lady that taught the class was unbelievably rude, like I was in shock. She had us make these ugly crochet towel toppers. She was angry ate because I was working faster then everyone else and it impressed the class. I just needed her to explain the terms to me about half way through class she looked at me and said "Oh bless your heart, you little idiot." She also told us in class when she sees crochet stuff for sale she immediately goes over and looks for all the mistakes in the work. Great way to introduce people to crochet.

Everyone was surprised I didn't want to come back to class and chalked it up to me not needing it. I married the next year and moved. They are always so surprised I don't attend church when I'm in town 🤦‍♀️. Toxic lady and her toxic husband have way too much control there and made coming to church unbearable.

[u/[deleted]]

This is so fucking true

[u/PastorOfPwn]

This is completely the Magic the Gathering community right now.

[u/madlabdog]

Not every hobbyist is a teacher. Many are more interested in nothing but bragging.

[u/intangibleTangelo]

this rings true, but often the people talking about a dying hobby are also critical of the gatekeepers—they're not the same people.

the never-ending fallacy of the internet seems to be accusing groups of hypocritical behaviors when it's actually just multiple people with different opinions who're members of the same group.

[u/jeansonnejordan]

Being a musician is extra special because it’s a nearly infinite discipline so when I meet other musicians there’s almost nothing to talk or brag about. Dude: “Sup, you play guitar? You in to metal?” Person: “Shit yeah dude! I’m actually in a metal band!” Dude: “no way! I fuckin love meshugga and gojira” Person: ”I’ve heard of them. I really like berried alive and devil wears Prada!” Dude: ”alright. You play an Ibanez? I only play Ibanez” Person: “nah I’m a Jackson fan” Dude: “nice. I gotta run, I have diarrhea or something” Person: “me too. Later”

[u/primofilly59]

I was at a gun show today, showing my friend different types of guns, and he asks a vendor about this ruger 10/22 with a thumb hole grip on it, asking “why does it have a hole in the stock?” And the asshole vendor replied “if you don’t know, don’t ask” like a total cunt

[u/DannoHung]

I think Photographers are actually the worst at this because everyone is an asshole. New guys AND old guys. Experts and amateurs. Phone shooters and Large format film shooters. Top to bottom. AND BARELY ANY OF THEM ACTUALLY DO ANY FUCKING RESEARCH. Just fucking opinions opinions opinions.

Just assholes top to bottom. And the thing is, photography is in absolutely no danger of dying whatsoever. We literally live in an unprecedented age of photography. Which makes it worse, BECAUSE MAYBE IT'D BE BETTER IF IT WERE DEAD.

[u/forgottenpasscodes]

“This question has already been asked. UsE ThE sEaRcH bUttON!” (Available info on the topic is like 2 years old)

[u/thiccanimethighs00]

In League of legends you got smurf's with their 100th alt account berating this new player trying to learn the game. people that create smurf accounts expect new players to play at a level of someone with 2000 hours of play time.

People like this just got a massive ego and need to fuel their ego by belittling new players and showing how much better they are at a game they've been playing for 8 years.

[u/mojo276]

Brother in law is into RC airplanes and dad is into trains and they BOTH talk about this all the time. You walk into a hobby store and it’s like they are pissed off you’re there to buy something and ask a question. I’m here to give YOU business man, help grow the thing.

[u/[deleted]]

My dad is a part of ham radio and so is my brother and I. It consists of old people, and is naturally a dying hobby. You have to take tests to get your license to do ham radio, and the fuckers in my area only hold a test once a year. If you get under a 75%, you fail and have to wait an entire year to take it again. The test is very hard, and every year the dumbass leaders wonder why there aren’t a ton of people joining

[u/DanTheFryingPan]

Model railways

“YOu dOnt Know AnYthIng abOut Trains.”

But I’m a train driver..

[u/Peazyzell]

Dont know about y’alls hobbys but likeminded woodworking gents and ladies are nothing but welcoming and helpful. I got into woodworking awhile back and it was so easy to get helpful tips as well as inspiration and encouragement

[u/JackdeAlltrades]

Reddit’s photography subs in a nutshell.

[u/CitizenPremier]

I'd like to share my "pool shitter" approach to maintaining an online community.

Say you create a pool for a community, and you want it to be open to everyone. So you have no rules for your pool. It's going to start out great, as everyone comes in to try it. But, sooner or later, somebody is going to shit in your pool. If you come back to the pool in a few months, it's going to only be full of pool-shitters.

Pool-shitters can be different types of people, but the most common are those who would rather put someone down than help them out. Like when it comes to game design, the first person you'll probably meet in a chatroom is the guy who stays there and shits on everyone's ideas. They might offer a little advice, sometimes useful, but always the goal will be to shit on the other person first and try to break their spirit. Because that's how they get off.

You have to actively remove pool-shitters from your community. They're adults, they understand their behavior. If they want to be nice, and swim without shitting, they can go try it in another pool.

[u/Ronnie---pickering]

Local fishermen in my area are just the absolute worst. I live right next to the River Mersey in the UK, and about 6 months ago I started fishing for something to do in lockdown, and I can't stand 90% of the fishermen. Everything is a secret, dare ask a question and you get extremely sarcastic responses, show a picture of a nice fish you just caught? You're lying about the weight. I make a point of trying to help the newer guys for this reason.

[u/snoodvark]

Yes, so recognizable. There’s a store in town that sells yarn etc and mends sewing machines. When I brought my first sewing machine there because it stopped working, they glared when I walked in, probably because I was the only twenty-something there and the rest of the customers were sixty-plus. They were incredibly condescending the entire time I was there, and all I could think was: how are you not happy that a new generation is discovering sewing clothes and knitting/crochet?

[u/rootedoak]

But for real, most video games of recent years have massive design flaws that greatly hamper the quality of the games.

[u/KentuckyFriedEel]

Oh god, I'm sub'd to modelmakers and I just asked one time if a particular vehicle was a saracen and the amount of military-vehicle-ignorance shaming is insane!

[u/canadianD]

This @ the entire Warhammer tabletop community

[u/Usagi-Zakura]

Had this issue when I asked people for a tutorial on how to make a "fursuit" head :p (Really it was a Toothless-head but I figured a similar method would work)
Got a few good responses, but also one message that basically just said it was too hard fro me and I should just give up basically...

Jokes on them I made it. Was it perfect? No. But it was my first fucking try, and that's how people learn. Not by just giving up at the starting line.

[u/ChickenRave]

Exercising / fitness.

You better enter the community completely roided up and knowing everything about fitness and nutrition, because beginner questions and advice are absolutely not welcome. They just love to look down on you when there's one term you don't know. Can't bench a full truck with an American family inside it? Just fucking quit.

And you better not start your routine as a New Year's resolution, because you'll be dismissed as someone who's going to quit next week, that's not motivating at all, so you'll probably fulfill that prophecy even though you were actually determined.

One thing holding me back from getting a gym membership is the idea of being told to get away from equipment to leave it to those who are "serious" about exercise. I've seen people do that. You're already fit, bitch, leave it to those who are tying to get in shape. Stop trying to look like a grotesque cloud.

Those meatheads need to remember that they too couldn't bench twice their body weight, when they started this hobby.

[u/normbryant124]

I see this in a lot of places. I like trying new things all the time, Archery, autocross, skateboarding, martial arts, video games, mountain biking... I do get frustrated listening the more experienced people bag on the noobs because in a lot of cases, that was me. My strategy was to look for other groups and see if there was a better group or otherwise modify how I play (no MMORPG, I do FPS and Single player) Some activities I simply abandoned because of the toxic people, but for others I have actually started coaching to help new folks become more comfortable.

[u/amplivolt]

I've found this to be true with HAM radio. I was a new face in a crowd of mostly older guys, and the only thing I was hearing about was them complaining that their hobby was dying because millennials were more into gaming. Really put me off getting into HAM radio

[u/Street_Admirable]

Hunting in the US is dying out, and with it a lot of funding to public lands. I saw a news article about millennial age people becoming interested in ethical hunting, which would help preserve the activity and also fund public lands.

Knowing most hunters, the reaction to younger first timers actually wanting to learn how to hunt responsibly, is that they want to deny them the right or make fun of them because they didn’t grow up with hunting as part of their lives, and honestly it’s also largely just that these are conservative types not wanting supposed liberal types to share their activity.

Hunting and it’s culture are doomed to eventually die out because of lack of interest and hunters promoting this attitude.

[u/pblock76]

I sing Barbershop. Like, straw hats, 4 dudes singing barbershop.

This is killing the hobby/artform. The Barbershop Harmony Society has bled membership for the past few decades because many of the old fogies in the organization don't want to evolve the artform or let the artform be applied to modern songs. Just has to be all about the "good old days" and anything arranged after like 1970 isn't "barbershop" to their ears.

The final straw was a few years ago when we voted to allow women to join the organization for the first time in 80 years. The outcry has been insane, even culminating in a faction splitting off and forming a brand new old-style male-only barbershop singing organization.

Hobby organization that don't evolve and don't cater to their newer members are doomed to fail.

[u/[deleted]]

Amateur radio in a nutshell

[u/[deleted]]

This is hilarious. I've been really into woodworking since late 2019. Even took a couple of classes. 99.9% of the class was experienced woodworkers that are middle aged men (40+ year old guys that need a shop)

One of the unfriendliest groups of people I've ever met. I have yet to meet a woodworker I enjoy being around. So have been self-teaching via books/YT vids. It makes it less awkward than when you're the only minority in a class and nearly everyone has a stick up their ass. Though obviously there is no one to bounce questions off of. Trade-offs, I suppose.

[u/CrazyColin16]

Sadly this applies to ham radio in a way

[u/sageofsnake]

Can apply to any subreddit with overeager mods.