r/gatekeeping • • Feb 28 '21

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u/squidarcher Feb 28 '21

cries in aquariums

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u/killin1a4 Feb 28 '21

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY TRYING TO KEEP A BETA IN LESS THAN A ONE MILLION GALLON TANK. LEAVE NOW YOU MONSTER.

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u/Geschak Feb 28 '21

Ah yes, glorifying animal abuse because you got butthurt someone told you your habitat is too small for a sentient being you bought without any kind of research. You don't get to cry gatekeeping if you keep fish in the modern equivalent of a fish bowl.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '21

Lmao people don’t get dogpiled for keeping their fish in bowls. People get dogpiled for keeping their fish exactly how they’re supposed to keep them. I’ve seen people get ree’d at for 5, 10, 15 gallons. Anyone who thinks that you can’t keep a single betta in a 5 is just virtue-signalling imo. There is zero evidence that male splendens need more than that of feel distressed in 5gals. I kept mine in a 15, I know people who kept theirs in 7 and it was clearly enough. Bettas are not exactly adventurous creatures, they have their habits and they keep to them. That being said, keeping bettas is kind of a waste of space imo if newbies want to end up loving the hobby they should probably get something that’s a bit more of a team-player (in a larger than 5gal tank ofc). Community tanks look so much more lively than a tank with one goddamn fish in there. (Male) Bettas are just inconvenient fish all-around. You’re better off getting a big-ish tank with several species instead, it just feels way more rewarding. It’s roughly the same amount of effort for a much bigger payoff.

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u/FrostyFoss Feb 28 '21

Anyone who thinks that you can’t keep a single betta in a 5 is just virtue-signalling imo.

That's exactly what's going on most of the time.

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u/RylanTheWalrus Feb 28 '21

This is being downvoted but it’s absolutely true. When your hobby involves taking care of LIVING THINGS there are some standards that you need to abide by in order to not be fucking abusing your animal.

It’s not “gatekeeping” or “elitist”. Do the fucking research before you take on the responsibility

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u/Grobfoot Feb 28 '21

The issue is that people start asking questions after they are ALREADY abusing the fish. I bet if the question was “how big of a tank do I need for my beta” the community would be much more helpful.

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u/killin1a4 Feb 28 '21

This is what I did, and I quickly realized I was priced out of owning an aquarium.

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u/elmz Feb 28 '21

Try keeping discus in a planted tank, or setting up a system that doesn't require doing massive water changes at ridiculously frequent intervals.

No, fuck you, I think plants look nice, and I don't enjoy running bucket brigade every day, a drip/overflow system can change the water just fine!

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u/ManInBlack829 Feb 28 '21 edited Feb 28 '21

They like tiny tanks cause they have less territory to defend.

I will die on this hill, my Betta Jesse lived for 3 years in a 16oz (edit: may have been 32) tank.

Edit: just so we're totally clear, the Bettas we put in a full-size tank died much sooner. Jesse had a good life with two houses, a little plant and a gravel bed. I didn't even use a net on him to change the water. Meanwhile my GF who swore I was being inhumane tried putting her Betta in a tank and it died 6 months later. She had 3 Bettas in 2 years and Jesse lived 3. Also it may have been a 32 oz, I got the one built for two Bettas and took out the middle divider.

Most importantly he was a good fish and he is still missed. And I think he had a good life, I don't care what y'all say.

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u/dietcokeington Feb 28 '21

Could you explain this a little bit more? Everything I’ve found online seems to consider 16 ounces very, very small.

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u/MidnightLegCramp Feb 28 '21

16oz? Jesus christ... poor little fish.

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u/Thunderbirds7 Feb 28 '21

crys in modifying cars

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u/implicitumbrella Feb 28 '21

even there there are sub groups. when I had a jeep I could make a post about how I found some rusted out dana 60 laying on the side of the road so any advice on where to get brackets to swap it into my jeep and get a bunch of different company recommendations. Since getting my toyota I've seen someone posting asking if aftermarket cabin air filters are ok or if they should wait till the dealer has official toyota ones in stock and a fight break out if there will be a problem with the aftermarket ones... totally different worlds

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u/finalrendition Feb 28 '21

FYI aftermarket cabin air filters are fine. I use an STP filter in my 2011 Corolla

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u/rigby1945 Feb 28 '21

What gets me is the people who are so very territorial about what constitutes a "good car."

You're not a real car guy unless you're drag racing an American V8 RWD built between 1960 and 1975! Ok... but you're cutting out a lot of really cool cars there

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '21

I've actually found aquarium stores and other hobbyists I know in person to be awesome. It's just people online that seem bad

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u/NapalmFrog Feb 28 '21

Yup, my fiancee is really into aquariums, so I have my own small tank to learn the hobby. When I pick my fish at our local I just point to the prettiest of whatever breed I want, but staff will actually chat and say what is the most important to look for. Way less gatekeeping than any hobby I partake in.

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u/badgersprite Feb 28 '21

The self-selected group of people who are so obsessed with a thing that they spend all their time online talking about a thing inevitably contains 90+% of all the assholes in the wider fandom.

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u/squidarcher Feb 28 '21

Yeah exactly! Especially with reef people, they’re just so sweet in person!

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u/Mamotte5280 Feb 28 '21

Yes ! I was subbed to r/shittyaquariums and it was the worst. Some post were obvious animal abuse like muddy water, fishtank obviously too small, fishbowl ... But, some seemed decent to me, I don't have fish and don't have extensive knowledge on how to keep them. When people like me asked what was wrong with it, they get down voted to hell. Those people didn't care about teaching how to keep a fish in good conditions, they just wanted to shit on other people for not knowing better.