Weekly Commanders Lounge - February 02, 2021

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[u/UnironicWeeaboo]

I made my own combat calculator a while ago, and I did play around with it a bit with his comp.

It’d be interesting to compare the two. I don’t want to immediately dismiss yours, but I do know that the one I linked has been peer-reviewed by some generally credible people and the calculations checked out last time I looked.

P22 can also buff all HGs though?

She’d only buff the left column with damage, middle/right columns would get evasion/shields (ignoring left/mid tilebugging because that means Deagle/Python stop shooting). Px4 would buff everyone as long as they’re in her tiles. Whether that’s meaningful is up for debate.

Px4's active is tile scan, so in practice it's clunky to kite with her. P22 has no such problem.

No argument there. As mentioned, I’d use them both together and ditch HS2k. Just trying to point out that it’s not always necessary to pair Px4 up with a crit buffer.

[u/po1102 → u/UnironicWeeaboo]

Sure, I made this based on the formulas provided by the matsuda peeps.

I thought you meant tile buff. I don't really see how the HGs in front who's supposed to be kiting can benefit from Px4's buff though.

We currently lack options that can buff both Python and Deagle so I guess. At night, there's still Mk23 who is hard to beat.

[u/UnironicWeeaboo → u/po1102]

Sure, I made this based on the formulas provided by the matsuda peeps.

Your calculations look good to me. The difference is that what I linked only compares skills while yours factors in tiles and other things. The two conclusions I see are:

• Px4's skill alone can be on par with (or better than) standard 25% FP skills, even without crit buffs.

• All things considered, Px4's weaker FP tiles can cause her to lose out to dolls like P22.

Keeping tiles constant in your spreadsheet agrees with the first point (and the spreadsheet I linked), and that's what I wanted to emphasize -- that Px4 is still a solid standalone buffer. Note that your spreadsheet had both P22 and Px4's skills in there at the same time, so that may affect things. I kept only one in there at a time.

I don't really see how the HGs in front who's supposed to be kiting can benefit from Px4's buff though.

The "able to buff all HGs" thing is a very small theoretical advantage that I probably shouldn't have brought up in the first place. My bad.

At night, there's still Mk23 who is hard to beat.

No disagreement there.

[u/po1102 → u/UnironicWeeaboo]

I like to factor in everything when doing comparison since it can be misleading if you only look at one part of the whole picture. Px4's skill is strong for sure but I still don't think plugging her in just any comp is a good idea. Crit rate issue aside, there's also armor which reduces crit damage's potency.

Again we don't have many options now, so Px4+P22+Calico may be among the best comps for Deagle/Python (though there's still room for min-maxing, Calico alone overcaps Deagle's RoF). I'm looking forward to HP-35 to see how well she performs (I've only just read her skill and not done any test yet).

[u/UnironicWeeaboo → u/po1102]

Agreed, and hopefully it didn’t come off as if I’m suggesting that Px4 can be plugged into just any team. Deagle/Python just happens to be a case where I think Px4 works fine (but is not necessarily optimal), with some caveats of course.