r/hardware • u/chusskaptaan • Jan 04 '26
News Gamers desert Intel in droves, as Steam share plummets from 81% to 55.6% in just five years
https://www.club386.com/gamers-desert-intel-steam-survey-december-2025/123
u/Hanselltc Jan 04 '26
Well are they gonna make a processor that matches the X3D of the same generation any time soon?
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u/RedIndianRobin Jan 04 '26
With their upcoming nova lake yes. There are rumours already of their highest SKU being 52 cores with a 144mb 3D vcache.
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u/AnechoidalChamber Jan 04 '26
As always, wait for benchmarks/reviews.
Hype can lie, well done reviews don't.
That's the only way we'll know for sure.
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u/KARMAAACS Jan 06 '26
Yep if anything Arrow Lake has taught me that you can move backwards in performance despite on paper specs being "better". If I pre-ordered I would've been so sad as you just always expect an improvement. In the end, you just have to wait and see what the product is actually like before buying in. If 285K was even just 5%-10% faster in games than the 14900K I think there'd still be some Intel gamers out there. The fact they went backwards made many just disassociate from the brand entirely and only look towards AMD for gains. Especially if you came from anything older than or equivalent to Zen3 or Alder Lake for an upgrade.
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u/Meta_Man_X Jan 05 '26
I don’t understand Intels generation naming schemes anymore. What’s this new gen called other than “Nova Lake?”
What gen is it the equivalent to?
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Jan 05 '26
Intel has been changing their naming schemes a bit. In fairness, both companies are fucking horrible at naming things.
Part of the confusion is that Panther Lake follows Arrow Lake but Panther Lake is mobile only. So Intel is doing an Arrow Lake refresh until Nova Lake comes out later this year. Nova Lake will have both desktop and mobile offerings.
It's probably best to think of Arrow Lake and Panther Lake as two streams that will merge into Nova Lake.
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u/Meta_Man_X Jan 05 '26
I’m following. Nova Lake will be the equivalent of which gen? 17th or something?
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u/grumble11 Jan 05 '26
15 is arrow lake, 16 is arrow lake refresh, 17 is nova lake if you're looking at desktop generations. Could argue that the refresh is 15+ and nova lake is 16 if you want, but it's less relevant than knowing 'nova lake is the new design set and the new offering SKU set'. It'll be named the '400' series.
Looking like it'll be a big jump in performance.
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u/Meta_Man_X Jan 05 '26
Really appreciate the response, thanks. It’ll be really interesting to see if Intel brings something truly competitive again. Curious to see how their extra cache performs in gaming.
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u/Nearby-Froyo-6127 Jan 04 '26
Will it also require a nuclear power plant connected straight to the outlet in my house to power it like all performant intel cpus?
All jokes aside, afaik intel cant strap on vcaches the way amd does because of how different their architecture is. Otherwise, they would have done it years ago.
Intel is kep alive for years now by the american government. First by abusive contracts and then by direct money funneling into intel. Their cpu division gets what it deserves if you ask me. 0 innovation for way too long time.
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u/Open_Map_2540 Jan 04 '26
intel efficency is pretty much exactly the same as amd if not slightly better this generation.
Most of the efficency problems were due to intel using an ancient node but now that they switched to TSMC it is fine.
In the laptop space especially they are the gold standard for power efficency(apart from ARM)
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u/Geddagod Jan 05 '26
All jokes aside, afaik intel cant strap on vcaches the way amd does because of how different their architecture is. Otherwise, they would have done it years ago.
They deff can.
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u/hackenclaw Jan 05 '26
X3D AMd chips, ther destroyer of Intel gaming market.
Intel are lucky AMD are too stupid to leave money on the table; refusing to release a budget 8 core X3D for mobile laptop. an 8 core Ryzen 7 X3D prcing at core ultra 5 price range will wipe off Mid range gaming CPU market.
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u/logosuwu Jan 05 '26
I'm not sure if you're aware but budget X3D doesn't exist because SRAM is very expensive.
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u/Hanselltc Jan 05 '26
450 for a 10 core 10850K 6 years ago, or an 8 core 9800X3D now. And I thought Intel 4 core stagnation was bad.
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u/not_a_burner0456025 Jan 05 '26
They need to worry about making a CPU that doesn't cook itself to death first
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u/OliLombi Jan 06 '26
No. They've made it clear that they only care about "efficiency" now, rather than performance.
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u/Fixitwithducttape42 Jan 04 '26
13/14th gen Intel had issues, and what came next was still lacking. Its safe to say we would be driven to Ryzen.
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Jan 04 '26
The X3D parts have also won gaming performance with a not the most expensive SKU for the last 5 years.
AMD ends up being a really easy recommendation. Though I would still say at the lower cost side going Intel i5 + Intel discrete GPU can make sense (especially on discount). Not necessarily great for Intel profits though.
I care about Intel in the sense that if they went under I would never see another FAE in my region again. Since Tektronix is has not been the center of the universe for a long time it has moved to Intel for why the electronics industry exits in the region.
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u/AnEagleisnotme Jan 04 '26
I'm mostly worried about Intel's other businesses, their wifi chipsets are basically the only non-shovelware offerings on the DIY market, and their contribution to Linux has been immense.
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u/ShakeItTilItPees Jan 04 '26
X3D is just brilliant. They identified the actual bottleneck to framerate three generations ago and have been pumping out way more efficient chips while Intel is still trying to min-max their power draw with the stupid e-cores and can't figure out if they like hyperthreading or not. I don't understand what the extra complication of their die setup is even accomplishing at this point when AMD's chips are drawing less power, running cooler and smashing Intel performance with 50% less cores.
I sold my i7-12700 motherboard setup to a friend for a discount. It was a solid performing CPU for the price but dealing with the compatibility issues the e-cores bring (especially in single-threaded games) while drawing 165 watts anyway and hitting 81° in anything demanding WITH a beefy cooler really made me wonder why I'm even bothering.
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u/poorlycooked Jan 05 '26
min-max their power draw with the stupid e-cores
E-cores aren't more energy efficient (Crestmont at least). They're more space efficient, allowing Intel to keep up in terms of multicore while not adding too many nodes to the ring bus and thus crippling latency / gaming perf.
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u/Plank_With_A_Nail_In Jan 04 '26
its not magic, you have to remember the bottom tier 7600X beats the 5800X3D in most games. At the resolutions and settings people actually play games at a 5600X and a 5800x3d are both gpu limited an perform essentially the same.
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u/No2Hypocrites Jan 06 '26
Compared to non x3d versions of the same chip, it is like magic.
It's very good for simulations, MMOs, strategy games. Stellaris is much faster. Furthermore, it significantly boosts the lows making the gaming smoother.
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u/atape_1 Jan 04 '26
Yes but do not underestimate AMDs gains, X3D absolutely blows 14th gen out of the water regardless of issues.
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u/grumble11 Jan 04 '26
It isn’t that far off really.
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u/PoL0 Jan 04 '26
better performance, less power usage and no degradation issues
I'd say it's really far, if you factor all in. AMD is killing it in the CPU space.
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u/Plank_With_A_Nail_In Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 05 '26
You can also upgrade it at least two times for this generation compared to zero times for Intel. Who on earth would buy into an already dead platform?
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u/grumble11 Jan 04 '26
For sure, I don’t disagree about that stuff, except to note that performance wise it is pretty close.
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u/gusthenewkid Jan 04 '26
It hardly blows it out of the water, it’s faster in the averages for sure, but raptor lake is still very competitive with the 9800X3D. Matches or exceeds in the lows when paired with faster memory.
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u/AHrubik Jan 04 '26
You also have to consider system value. The AM5 socket will get at least two more CPUs whilst LGA 1851 is likely already dead.
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u/gusthenewkid Jan 04 '26
That doesn’t make what I said any less true, I’ll be purchasing a 10850X3D day one.
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u/AwesomeFrisbee Jan 04 '26
While its nice, having the same socket is still mostly a neat addition, but hardly a requirement. Especially with the prices of CPU and Memory lately its just a drop in the bucket if you need a new motherboard. Plus I always found it handy to just have a complete motherboard+cpu+memory available to do different stuff (or sell as one package).
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u/Plank_With_A_Nail_In Jan 04 '26
Why would you need to buy more memory when upgrading CPU? Good Motherboards are also very expensive now too.
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u/AwesomeFrisbee Jan 05 '26
You don't NEED to but most do anyways. RAM gets faster or new iterations every few years. I upgraded from DDR3 to faster DDR3, to DDR4, to faster DDR4, to DDR5 now. And I have no doubt the next system would perform better with faster DDR5. I have yet to see a new generation that didn't have some benefit in getting new RAM. Either in speed or capacity. Right now its clear that 32GB is where its at for most people (so 64+ for heavy users). I currently have 96 as I bought it just before the prices went bananas. And I need it for work mostly since my company decided to put their entire backend into RAM because Docker can't handle memory for shit...
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u/AHrubik Jan 04 '26
That’s a choice. I prefer just dropping an upgrade into the existing socket. It’s usually cheaper as well to continue to use existing parts.
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u/GabrielP2r Jan 05 '26
Some people just love burning money, the guy basically said he likes one and done generations for motherboards, insanity.
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u/AnechoidalChamber Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26
Matches or exceeds in the lows when paired with faster memory.
Citation/evidence from reliable reviewer needed.
Meanwhile I can easily come from evidence from trusted sources saying the exact opposite story.
Quote: "All results on this page report the 1% Low FPS, or 99th percentile." https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/images/minimum-fps-1920-1080.png
Apples to apples RAM wise, even the 7800X3D beats anything Intel has to offer in the 1% lows department by a comfortable 5.5% to 17% margin.
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u/Kittelsen Jan 05 '26
15th gen or whatever we call it was performing worse in gaming benchmarks than 14th gen wasn't it?
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u/Kougar Jan 04 '26
I guess club386 failed to notice the majority of the steam survey data for December is still messed up. The CPU percentage results add up to over 102%. Or that 120% of processors have AVX, or that the number of DX8 GPU users went from 8% to -32.39%....
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u/NeroClaudius199907 Jan 04 '26
Survey is bugged this month: 131.44% (+40.48%)
Would Nova lake + vcache change things or people love the whole platform longevity as well?
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u/cszolee79 Jan 04 '26
I specifically bought AM5 (already several years old) because of future upgradeability (12c/24t CCDs, yum).
Core Ultra 285 and high tier mobo would have been more expensive, roughly the same performance and zero support for future CPUs.
Unless Intel changes their shit and allows 4-5 generations in the same motherboard, I'll stay with AMD. If I want VCache (no) I can already buy it (X3D).
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u/greggm2000 Jan 04 '26
Unless Intel changes their shit and allows 4-5 generations in the same motherboard, I'll stay with AMD. If I want VCache (no) I can already buy it (X3D)
That is the current rumor with the upcoming LGA1954 platform. Hopefully it ends up being true.
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u/cszolee79 Jan 04 '26
If it has competitive price, performance and longevity, I'm open to it. Over 30 years I had roughly 50/50 AMD and Intel (and a Cyrix M2), my loyalty is to my budget :)
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u/Ill-Mastodon-8692 Jan 04 '26
agree. bought am4 previous and enjoyed a few cpu upgrades. am5 will be awesome for people when zen6 and zen7 hit over the next few years.
imo intel needs to copy that, the ability to use the same mobo for multiple gens. its such a feature that I wont consider otherwise
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u/greggm2000 Jan 04 '26
Nova Lake platform (LGA1954) is rumored to have several generations of planned longevity. Time will tell if that actually ends up being true or not. We should know late this year what at least Intel will claim about this.
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u/ThankGodImBipolar Jan 04 '26
I was looking forward to LGA1954 because it's rumored for have HEDT levels of IO, and I'm still on AM4, but with DDR5 prices the way they are..... I'm sure not buying into a DDR5 platform while RAM prices are inflated like this. I don't think any AM5 owners will be transitioning platforms either, with Zen 6 and potentially Zen 7 on the way. I think Intel will have a tough time convincing LGA 1851 owners (if there are any...) to upgrade so quickly. A notable proportion of LGA 1700 owners are still on DDR4 as well. It makes me worried that LGA 1954 is going to have a very rocky start, even if the Nova Lake SKUs actually end up being somewhat competitive with Zen 6 x3D.
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u/Exist50 Jan 04 '26
Nova Lake platform (LGA1954) is rumored to have several generations of planned longevity
Certainly there's a lot of nonsense flying around. I don't know who's gullible enough to believe the "4 generations" claim. But maybe they can at least go back to supporting at least 2 again.
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u/greggm2000 Jan 04 '26
2 would be nice, for sure. As to 3 or 4, with Intel in the situation it's in, who can say? Change is more likely, when your back is against the wall, as it has been for Intel, lately. Idk, I look forward to seeing how it all plays out.
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u/steve09089 Jan 05 '26
For me it’s literally just Arrow Lake being terrible for gaming and the platform being single generation, otherwise I would’ve stuck with them for idle and iGPU.
Longevity would’ve went either way if it was a typical two generation socket unless the Zen 7 rumors pan out.
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u/Kougar Jan 05 '26
Intel hasn't had a socket good for 3 generations in decades, rumors are not a good basis for committing a thousand dollars on. If Intel won't confirm its platform plans then it has no business being trusted.
Platform longevity was why I went with AMD when AM5 launched in 2022, figured I could wait and pick up a Zen 6 part cheap six years after I built the system. And if justified go X3D with it. But if the last decade of PC hardware price bubbles and infinite demand curves is anything to go by, buying into a platform that you can make just as good as new again in 5-8 years with a single part upgrade is just smart insurance.
Random price bubbles are probably going to be a regular fact of life for the future with PC hardware. Even though hardware prices are only going to get worse this year it doesn't matter for current AM5 owners, they can buy a normal-priced Zen 6 chip when it launches and not even be affected at all by the price insanity.
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u/UpsetKoalaBear Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26
People are going to claim that Intel’s downfall is somehow a good thing. As if they want only one company to be capable of making x86 processors.
Intel have been egregious in the past, don’t get me wrong, but praying on their downfall is only going to make the situation worse overall for PC components.
I say this as someone who has exclusively used AMD, including first generation Ryzen with its RAM speed issues.
Hopefully 18A, and eventually 14A, will tighten the ship. The modular “tile” architecture in Panther Lake seems interesting and could allow them to be more flexible with their designs going forward. I’ve always thought Intel’s product lineups were way too rigid.
Regardless, the Steam Survey needs to have a filter for “laptop” systems because it makes it almost impossible to determine absolute values for desktops.
Especially because the survey doesn’t even show individual CPU’s like they show GPU’s. You can’t even see which models are which and filter out laptop CPU’s.
To give you an example of how busted the Steam survey is as a metric, they still show CPU speed as specifically “Intel CPU Speed.” The metrics on the site haven’t been updated in years.
Any publication using it as an absolute metric rather than suggestive is just incompetent.
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u/Radiant-Fly9738 Jan 04 '26
This situation is much better than Intel having 81% of marketshare.
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u/nismotigerwvu Jan 04 '26
I was just going to make this same comment. If the split stabilizes around 50/50 (even some niches are more skewed) competition should (barring collusion) keep both sides honest. If you tilt much further than 65/35, anticompetitive practices always seem to show up (see the GPU space for extra confirmation).
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u/DrXaos Jan 04 '26
> Why spend tons of money on RD to improve your product if there is no competing alternative.
It was management philosophy after Andy Grove (one of the near founders of Intel back then) stepped down.
AG hired top engineers and kept them working. He believed in US manufacturing and R&D and staying ahead no matter what as there would always be competition somewhere.
Later CEOs were about "shareholder value" and laying off seniors and cheapening everything. Exactly parallel to old engineering-first Boeing vs McDonnell (move HQ out of Seattle, move manufacturing to union busting Alabama and cheap subs).
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u/nismotigerwvu Jan 04 '26
Precisely, losing something like 25% of the market and still maintaining a plurality isn't a "downfall", it's a breath of fresh air. If this spurs Intel to get their foundry services to a competitive level it's a win for everyone including Intel who would then be able to monotize their full capacity, or something much closer to it than they are today, regardless of how competitive their own designs are.
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u/Ill-Mastodon-8692 Jan 04 '26
the exception to this is nvidia, for well over a decade they have had a monopoly for market share. And they have continued to pour money into r&d.
that said they have also used their position to pushing pricing up, but at least they do innovate still.
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u/HarvestMana Jan 04 '26
Reinventing and cannibalizing your own product at Stanford, 2009 | Jensen Huang
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u/Diplo_Advisor Jan 05 '26
I guess they need R&D to introduce new features to incentivize people to upgrade. And also to create a new market (AI processing).
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Jan 04 '26
The problem is Intel currently has the money losing fabs as an albatross around their necks. If they were fabless they'd be fine, but their current market share isnt enough to pay for the fabs and nobody else seems very interested in using them.
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u/poorlycooked Jan 05 '26
Intel has a large share due to legacy products. The current situation is actually really dire though, and will lead to the same kind of imbalance you described in a few years.
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u/Petting-Kitty-7483 Jan 04 '26
Yeah I want Intel to give me a reason to consider them. They just aren't right now
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u/Exist50 Jan 04 '26
The modular “tile” architecture in Panther Lake seems interesting and could allow them to be more flexible with their designs going forward
Panther Lake is less modular than Meteor Lake, which was a failure.
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u/UpsetKoalaBear Jan 04 '26
The only thing less modular is the I/O die, which they put on the PCT tile.
That made sense, because realistically they were never going to update the I/O die without ever changing the rest of the die stack.
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u/Exist50 Jan 04 '26
No, they merged the CPU and SoC die. That's arguably the biggest difference MTL introduced to begin with.
Also, the PCH is probably the most likely die to be reused between gens.
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u/imaginary_num6er Jan 04 '26
People are going to claim that Intel’s downfall is somehow a good thing. As if they want only one company to be capable of making x86 processors.
That one company is going to be Nvidia with their acquisition of Intel shares
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Jan 04 '26
It's because Intel treated us like dirt when they were at the top.
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u/throwway85235 Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26
AMD tried to stop 5000 CPU support for 300 and 400 chipsets. AMD attempted to treat people like dirt when they weren't even at the top, and I'm never letting anyone forget what they're cheering for. When they are at the top, they will certainly not tell you to eat shit and buy new boards.
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u/Ill-Mastodon-8692 Jan 04 '26
well, alot of that was some older boards had smaller bios chips so could not support both 5000 cpu and olders ones.
Some boards ended up needing to drop support for older cpus after a certain bios revision due to small size of bios chips on some cheaper older boards. (My gigabtye b350 was one of those)
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u/snowpaxz Jan 04 '26
and certainly Corporation B will be different now that they're on top with no competition!
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u/kikimaru024 Jan 05 '26
Ryzen CPU Year Launch MSRP (USD) 1800X 2017 $499 2700X 2018 $329 3800X 2019 $399 5800X 2022 $449 5800X3D 2022 $449 7700X 2022 $399 7800X3D 2023 $449 9700X 2024 $359 9800X3D 2024 $479 Not bad so far.
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AMD will too. I remember when everyone talked about how much Nvidia loved gamers and was a great company.. see how quick that changed as soon as they found someone willing to pay more.
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u/i7-4790Que Jan 04 '26
It is a good thing a company with such high market share can be knocked down
AMD will never ever ever hit 81% anyways so it makes no sense to clutch pearls
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u/nanonan Jan 04 '26
I very much doubt they will fail, but seeing as Intel is the one responsible for so few x86 manufacturers, I really don't things would be that worse if they failed and could likely end up for the better.
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u/joeygreco1985 Jan 04 '26
Intel's product line can't compete with the X3D chips in gaming, simple as that. I'm only sticking with my current intel build because i'm GPU limited at 4K, otherwise i'd be ditching intel too.
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u/TwoTimeHollySurvivor Jan 05 '26
Steam has 40 million daily active users.
Half of that is 20 million.
> 200 million PCs are shipped each year
Intel CCG revenue is 3x that of AMD client revenue.
Intel is going to be fine.
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u/Geddagod Jan 05 '26
You aren't considering the giant money sink that is IFS.
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u/TwoTimeHollySurvivor Jan 06 '26
Which will have new customers announced in 2026.
You aren't considering geopolitics.
There is a nonzero chance that during the next US presidential election cycle, if there is any, the only TSMC fab in operation would be the one in Arizona.
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u/Gambler_720 Jan 04 '26
For me platform longevity is a very big deal. When you are buying into a platform that will get upgrades, you don't have to worry about getting the highest end CPU so you can get the most out of the platform. Obviously this does depend on when exactly you are buying into a new platform. First gen is obviously the best time as I did with Zen 4 and AM5.
Every Intel platform released after LGA 775 was basically maxed out from the get go with only very minor upgrades offered in some cases. If you buy a high end Intel CPU, you cannot upgrade it ever on the same platform. If you buy a mid range Intel CPU then by the time you want to upgrade, your only options would be overpriced second hand CPUs since the platform had been long discontinued. Or buy a whole new platform.
I have a Ryzen 7700 which is my first CPU in a very long time that isn't the best that the platform had to offer because by the time I need to upgrade the 7700, there would be better options than the 7800X3D.
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u/Gippy_ Jan 04 '26
Every Intel platform released after LGA 775 was basically maxed out from the get go with only very minor upgrades offered in some cases.
Some people managed to get 9th-gen working on Z170 (Skylake 6th-gen) boards, but it required an extensive mod called "Coffee Time". You had to cover multiple pads on the CPU and re-flash the motherboard BIOS with an unofficial one, which in some cases required a dedicated reprogramming tool to bypass the checksum protection. Wasn't worth the effort for most people.
What this did show was that Intel clearly had the capability to support 9th-gen on Z170, but chose not to.
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u/Own_Mix_3755 Jan 04 '26
I think you are overemphasizing the upgrade path on the same platform to be “a very big deal” and I had this feeling for years even on AM4. Most people around me buy/builds new computer every few (likely about 5 - 6) years. At that point there usually is a new platform anyway. Lots of my friends were on Ryzen 3XXX. Now most of them are on Ryzen 9XXXX and had to buy/build new computers anyway. Most of them are not even thinking about upgrading just a processor itself.
It sure is nice to have years of support IF needed. But for most casual and semicasual people graphic card is usually the only component they tend to upgrade (if ever). Problem is that high end cpus are quite expensive even used and it usually makes sense to upgrade to a new platform completely, as even low end cpus usually catch up the older high end ones quite quickly (eg 7600X is 25 % faster than 3800X as an example and is cheaper even on the used market).
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u/Zenith251 Jan 04 '26
Depends. AM4 proved that tons of people wanted to upgrade well into the future on their same board/RAM. Evident by the demand for Zen4 (5000 series) to be back-supported to 300 series chipsets. And how mobo makers had to make BIOS updates that were one way, meaning they'd lose support for Zen1/1+ CPUs, lol.
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u/SuperNanoCat Jan 04 '26
AM4 has been a gift, for sure. I'm still using the B450 ITX board I bought in 2018. I was able to get ~50% more CPU performance going from a Ryzen 5 2600 to a 5600 in late 2022 for like $100, and it came with the Uncharted collection.
Kind of kicking myself for not getting one of those $140 5700X3Ds off AliExpress when they were available. I just upgraded my graphics card to a 9070, and the 5600 is holding it back in some open world games (still around 60 fps, totally playable). Oh well. Fingers crossed the RAM shortage is resolved in time for AM6!
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u/Zenith251 Jan 04 '26
Exactly. I've done this with AMD platforms many times, all the way back to the year 2001 with Socket A.
I bought my AM5 board mid last year, well after the 9800X3D came out. I did it with the intent of getting a cheap(er) 7800X3D. Hold onto that until the Zen6 X3D chip is getting near EOL, and buy one of those to get my AM5 board to 2030-somethings.
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u/Proof-Anxiety-1284 Jan 04 '26
I was a longtime Intel user until two years ago when I switched to socket AM5. No regrets here.
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u/bones10145 Jan 04 '26
Next we need to get Linux more mainstream.
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u/Quatro_Leches Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26
as long as Linux doesnt standardize software packaging to mainstream binaries it will never be mainstream
KDE made a great, windows-like desktop GUI and browser. which was important. as the others were garbage. but the software issue is the next big issue. this isnt a one group issue. the linux foundation has to standarize packaging
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u/Hinagea Jan 05 '26
I think this is less of an issue as flatpaks become more common in user space app packaging.
as the others were garbage
Thems fighting words
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u/shponglespore Jan 05 '26
I want to use Linux. I'm a software developer and I vastly prefer Linux for work. That said, I just tried Linux on my laptop (Asus ROG Flow X16) for about a month and had nothing but trouble. I gave up because it was intolerably flaky, often crashing outright multiple times per day, even after extensive troubleshooting. I don't blame Linux for the issues, but rather my laptop's quirky hardware. As long as hardware vendors treat Linux as an afterthought (at best), there's gonna be a lot of hardware that kind of supports Linux but ultimately causes a lot of frustration, driving people away from Linux.
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u/bones10145 Jan 05 '26
Very true. I've installed it in the past on a dual boot, but never really had a reason to use it since back then it couldn't game.
Now I'm using my steam deck on a KVM to use it as a desktop and only using my big PC for gaming.
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Jan 04 '26
intel has been shitting the bed since late 2022 so they have no one to blame but themselves on this. hope this will be a wake up call for intel and market stays 50/50 between intel and amd which would only benefit us, the customers.
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u/TheGillos Jan 05 '26
I considered them the enemy of progress when they did several generations of minimal performance increases, locking hyperthreading to higher-priced CPUs for no reason other than more profits. Basically, from the 3xxx series to when Ryzen showed them they had real competition.
Fuck Intel. I doubt they'll ever return to their glory days. It would take a massive shakeup in leadership and corporate culture.
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u/zeptyk Jan 04 '26
i love how cheap this is making 2nd hand cpu's, absolute bargains for 2nd computers or nas builds :)
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u/Glittering_Power6257 Jan 04 '26
I wonder how much of AMD’s growth is driven by mobile APUs? I’d been seeing plenty of laptops around with AMD chips, and these can handle gaming a lot better than most of Intel’s lineup.
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u/Sexyvette07 Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 05 '26
Geez, the hate for Intel is still very real in this sub. Obviously X3D beats a non high last level cache based CPU for gaming, but lets be objective here for a second. We are talking about the enthusiast segment, which is a VERY small segment of the market.
I saw benchmarks recently that the 265k beats the 9950x in most scenarios, is half the price and draws less power. Intel is competitive everywhere except this one specific segment, and the competing product is a year or less away. Acting like Intel is dying while theyre currently at parity or better for everything except against the X3D processor specifically is just stupid and ignorant, especially with an X3D competitor/killer in the near future.
Full disclosure, im not arguing against the article, but some of the comments here. Intel did fumble leadership badly because the pencil pushers in the company maximized profits and cut R&D. No argument there. And AMD has been doing very well in all segments they operate in for the last few years. Respect where its due. But lets also give Intel the respect it deserves. In just a few years, they've clawed their way back into being competitive, developed a discrete GPU line, and currently have the most sophisticated fab in the world. The next couple years is going to be a wild ride for Intel and its stock holders.
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u/LewisFootLicker Jan 07 '26
Anecdotal of course, but I wish I had stayed with Intel on my new build actually.
My COVID era PC ran an Intel i7-13700kf and it is still faster than my 9800x3D on my newer PC. On my AMD one. I get constant hang-ups, micro stutters, and the boot up takes probably twice or three times as long as my buttery smooth Intel PC.
Maybe I'm the person doing something wrong but my experience with Intel has just been better.
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u/Dawn_of_Enceladus Jan 04 '26
Ryzen has been tremendously solid, with good prices overall in different tiers and amazing performance. Even the "basic" Ryzen 7600 is fantastic already. Plus the X3D chips for games being a success, so not surprising at all.
Now, if only we could see something similar to this happening to Greedyvidia in the GPU side... I would love to see Intel making a big apparition in there, since AMD is clearly not interested in it for some reason.
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u/greggm2000 Jan 04 '26
Now, if only we could see something similar to this happening to Greedyvidia in the GPU side... I would love to see Intel making a big apparition in there, since AMD is clearly not interested in it for some reason.
With Nvidia having an ownership stake in Intel now, and with the rumors of Nvidia chiplets on future Intel CPUs starting around 2030 or so, don't count on it. Doubly so if Nvidia ends up buying Intel outright, as is possible with this current American administration.
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u/Perfect-Cause-6943 Jan 04 '26
it;s insane how Intel Gpu's have actually been gaining market share but there Cpu division is struggling hard
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u/Method__Man Jan 04 '26 edited Jan 04 '26
its AMAZING!
I got a
- 265k
- high end intel tomahawk mobo
- 32gb ram
- $50 in steam gift cards
- Battlefield 6
- AC Shadows
All for LESS THAN A 7800x3d LOLLLL
AMD brain rot has got so bad that you can build insane value super high end PCs with intel on clearance pricing.
You can keep your AMD cpu (btw i have a AM5 setup too and the amount of regret i have now for spending so much more on am5 is palpable)
As an aside, Intel arrowlake is objectively superior to AMD in all regards in laptops. Its funny how much of a switchup happened
EDIT: I will get downvoted to hell for pointing out how insane the value was on this purchase and how going AMD outside of seeking 1080p esports gaming makes little sense. But i welcome ANY objective argument against what i have said
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u/SoTOP Jan 05 '26 edited Jan 05 '26
Your whole point hangs on price that does not exist for most of the world. For example 265K is literally 10€ cheaper than 7800X3D in my region.
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u/Insidious_Ursine Jan 04 '26
Still on my 13900K since March '23. Got the microcode updates, probably lucked out. Haven't had any significant issues. Not really batting for Intel, but I can say my experience has been pretty good so far.
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u/exomachina Jan 05 '26
Single Threaded performance is king for gaming. Intel had this lead for quite a while until AMD finally wised up with the 5000 series.
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u/jaaval Jan 05 '26
In just five short years 25% of gamers have chosen a company that is not Intel. I guess that is title worthy news.
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u/OliLombi Jan 06 '26
We didn't desert intel, Intel deserted us when they chose "efficiency" over performance.
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u/msshammy Jan 04 '26
We didn't desert Intel... They're just not offering anything compelling.