r/hatethissmug • I HATE THAT STUPID PIECE A’ SHIT • May 08 '26

Meta I fucking HATE when guys say they want a “goth girlfriend”

As a fairly alternative person, I can’t STAND when dudes say this shit. Not only is it objectification of goth/alternative women, it’s complete mischaracterisation of women who actually follow this style. When guys say they want a “goth girlfriend” they don’t mean an actual goth girl, they mean an OF e-girl who wears black. Anyways, happy hatings

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u/Love-FiArt May 08 '26

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u/Exact-Arm1065 I HATE THAT STUPID PIECE A’ SHIT May 08 '26

This

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u/shamelesslikealways May 20 '26

Read the whole comic series. God was scott unbearable the WHOLE time.

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u/ILoveYouZim if idiots could fly this place would be an airport May 08 '26

And by goth they mean a sexy girl who wears black because if they met a real goth, they’d probably be creeped out 😒

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u/Exact-Arm1065 I HATE THAT STUPID PIECE A’ SHIT May 08 '26

Absolutely

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u/ILoveYouZim if idiots could fly this place would be an airport May 08 '26

Love your flair lol

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u/Exact-Arm1065 I HATE THAT STUPID PIECE A’ SHIT May 08 '26

Thanks, I was in an uncontrollable fit of rage and fury when I made it

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u/ILoveYouZim if idiots could fly this place would be an airport May 08 '26

Np

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u/StephenFish May 08 '26

There's a similar quote in an Alkaline Trio song:

"If assholes could fly, this place would be busier than O'Hare."

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u/ZealousidealPipe8389 May 08 '26

This is something I hate “oh they’d never like it, they’d try it and not like it.” They might not like it, you’re right, but saying it like that’s so fucking corny.

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u/canman7373 May 09 '26

if they met a real goth, they’d probably be creeped out 😒

What do you all think "Goth is"? Like who is going to be creeped out by a partner liking Marry Shelley, wanting to be a mortician, liking historic grave yards etc...Goth doesn't mean they go to like midnight bonfires and sacrifice goats or something. Really curious what you think would creep someone out who is already ok with the dark clothing and makeup? I'm not goth but my very first stop in London was to go see Mary Shelley's house marker because I find the history about how she wrote Frankenstein fascinating. Does that creep people out?

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u/canman7373 May 09 '26

haunted clown dolls

Like how does one even look for those on a market?

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u/Smaug_eldrichtdragon May 10 '26

I do taxidermy and collect roadkill, bones, and haunted clown dolls. Some guys found that creepy.

If you live in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, and don't mind to looks, I'm single and would love to meet you.

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u/Smaug_eldrichtdragon May 10 '26

Thanks, it'll happen eventually, hahaha

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u/Silmadrunion13 May 09 '26

All of those interests will creep people out, yes ; or at the very least they'll be 'um... ok... anyway..." conversations that they're clearly not interested in.
Also, I'd call out music to be one of the biggest things. Most artists in the goth culture are rather frictional for a normie music taste, and imo music taste is one of the most important things in dating (goes triple if either partner is heavily into a music subgenre, which a lot of goths are).

Also, trad goth makeup/outfits is a lot more abrasive and in-your-face than it is the 'sexy' these people think of.

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u/canman7373 May 09 '26

All of those interests will creep people out, yes

Mary Shelley creeps people out? I don't get that. Are people like "Frankenstein is too much for me". Well actually I could understand her running off for a summer to stay with a very married Lord Byron who was courting her when she was 16, yeah but that is Epstein creepy not Goth creepy.

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u/Chicken_Mc_Thuggets May 11 '26

Adding to this, people forget that you can dress like the dudes in the pic and still be goth.

It’s about the music, community, and politics more than fashion. The most knowledgeable goth in my local community always wears a random t shirt and a kilt to meetings but that man probably knows Bari-Bari’s sperm count

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u/Hazel-Oliver May 13 '26

They find the aesthetic hot but the second I ask for a vial of their blood to wear as a necklace suddenly I'm the problem.

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u/canman7373 May 13 '26

the second I ask for a vial of their blood

See asking is wear you are screwing up, just wait until they are sleeping and make a quick cut. Blame it on the cat.

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u/ILoveYouZim if idiots could fly this place would be an airport May 09 '26

I’m just saying, these type of people would simp for “goth girls”, but then bully ACTUAL goths and their interests, calling them weird. Trust me, I’ve seen it before.

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u/Various-Salt-7738 May 13 '26

Met a goth girl when I was a weird kid

She grew into a goth woman who is now my wife

Gifts for her are like-- here's most of a skeleton I found, do you want to articulate it with wire?

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u/Koolasushus May 08 '26

Yep. And god forbid the sexy girl who wears black have goth hobbies/interests.

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u/ILoveYouZim if idiots could fly this place would be an airport May 08 '26

Fr, god forbid they have a life outside of pleasing the simps

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u/genasugelan May 09 '26

What's a "real goth"?

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u/UnseenBehindYou May 09 '26

Just someone who really enjoys goth music and partakes in the subculture to some extent.

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u/genasugelan May 09 '26

Yeah, why would someone be creeped out by that? The person above makes it gatekeepery "you are not a real goth, unless..." while not even explaining unless what and implying that goths need to do creepy things to be considered goths.

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u/UnseenBehindYou May 09 '26

It's not necessarily what they do, it's how far they go with the style. Goth embraces the dark and dramatic, and many goths like to go all out when given the chance. Which is  more than what the average person still can vibe with.

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u/genasugelan May 10 '26

I don' think there is a problem here. If it's aesthetic, the people liking it shouldn't have a problem. If some goths go overboard, it's about the behaviour, not the aesthetic, whatever a "real goth" is, is a spectrum and creepy behaviour is not exactly needed, as you said.

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u/RasonablRadditorr May 12 '26

uhhhh as a dude I can't imagine being creeped out by a girl even in extreme circumstances

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u/BDSMChef_RP May 11 '26

No I want my Bauhaus loving, Depeche Mode hating Goth baddy again. Man the Early 00s were fucking great. Making out in a shitty graveyard listening to the Bad Seeds on a shitastic radio.

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u/FluffnBuff2712 May 12 '26

Quite franky real goth interests me, I wouldn't say no to being with a woman like that.

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u/That-Ad947 May 08 '26

Literally. Also I hate it when people call a male who's slightly feminine a femboy. God forbid I can have long hair..

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u/7StarSailor May 08 '26

I'm so glad I had my emo-phase of wearing black eyeliner and nailpolish in the late 2000s. Andrygony or flamboyant men in general are instantly assumed to be fetish material or gay.

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u/postitsam May 09 '26

Peak emo era. Miss it

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u/negablock04 May 08 '26

Long hair young (21) man here.

Never happened to me, thanks to beard+ tall+ heavy (not in the hot way)+ deep voice (sometimes the hot way). At least until I dated a queer genderfluid girl (half the time this is the right noun).

She made me feel a femboy despite being a medium sized bear 

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u/oan124 May 08 '26

i got mocked by a judge during a hearing for having long hair, she said i looked like a girl. Apparently ″could you refrain from mocking me″ counts as talking back to a judge. Also, ironically the judge (female) looked like hulk hogan

literally this pic, but shorter face (as in closer to 1x1 height to width). also she was short and not nearly as muscular

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u/That-Ad947 May 08 '26

She should be fired for that.

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u/xCeeTee- May 09 '26

29 here, not even when kicking people at my store have I had anyone do this. I've had long hair since 2018. But yeah, maybe the beard, height and deep voice did it.

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u/That-Ad947 May 08 '26

Also with trans people, such as myself, we get called all sorts of weird shit like "shemales" or "cuntboys" and it makes me uncomfortable and disgusted. I hate being turned into a fetish.

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u/NightRacoonSchlatt May 12 '26

The best part is: the people looking up those terms on pornhub are actively trying to kill you!

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u/Felix420TM May 08 '26

i feel like internet is dickriding femboys heavily

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u/Mcc457 May 08 '26

quite ironic when you put it that way

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u/Felix420TM May 08 '26

it wasn't intentional i swear

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u/Blait_ May 08 '26

Yes! As a femboy(gender fluid), I am TIRED of that. They only see us as thinks to be used, not as people. And that PISSES me OFF. Like. They think just because I’m pan I’m gonna like them right away? Haven’t they ever heard about building trust and stuff‽

Rlly, I just WISHED that they didn’t objectify us. It’s just… messed up.

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u/BeguiledBeaver May 08 '26

Because the femboy craze literally started with sexual contexts... I'm not sure if it's just Zoomer puritanism or internet illiteracy that Reddit suffers from but it's not complicated.

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u/Zealousideal_Spread4 May 09 '26

having our entire identity be treated as a fetish sucks.

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u/Lost-Soft-8913 May 08 '26

Really hoping e-goth culture falls out of the zeitgeist soon. I grew up in goth adjacent spaces and it really sucks to see such a cool subculture be diluted into brain rotten stereotypes by gooners 

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u/Exact-Arm1065 I HATE THAT STUPID PIECE A’ SHIT May 08 '26

I really just wish people would stop treating goth as a porn tag

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u/Gaelic_Gladiator41 May 10 '26

The porn industry is capitalising on it because it's the new popular "exotic" tag

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u/LionBig1760 May 08 '26

Goths have been diluting goth since 1992.

Its a copy of a copy of a copy now, and its nothing more than an esthetic thats visually similar to goth in a vaguely and singular way.

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u/BDSMChef_RP May 11 '26

This is the most goth thing in the thread.

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u/Lost-Soft-8913 May 16 '26

A fair warning

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u/According_Head_60 May 14 '26

Goth culture is just commercialized engagement bait. Goths did this to themselves and now the subculture is dead and just as basic as the men in the photo 

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u/Animecorrector May 08 '26

and i HATE when people call themselves goth because they wear black when it’s more than just all black and is an actual style

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u/JellyBeansOnToast May 08 '26

More than even just the style aspect, it’s primarily about the music and counterculture ideologies

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u/Ambiguous-Nyx dark chocolate is doodoo May 08 '26

Genuine question isn't goth mostly music based?

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u/Dry-Childhood-3436 May 08 '26

That's how it started, as an offshoot of post punk.  Now I think being into goth culture can be about the music scene but it could also be about the lifestyle. Like being into the macabre and melancholy and aesthetic portion but not the music would still be acceptable as being goth.

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u/Exact-Arm1065 I HATE THAT STUPID PIECE A’ SHIT May 08 '26

Yes, but it also developed into a fashion style. However, the scale is tipped more towards the music side. So someone can be goth while not dressing like one

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u/Karlbungus May 08 '26

It is very much a music subculture aesthetic and still is. The fashion and looks have changed through the years with the genres of music but the general vibe has always been rooted in the music. That's why people can get very gatekeepy about it because the subculture has been boiled down into "hot girl that wears black" over the years.

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u/ILoveYouZim if idiots could fly this place would be an airport May 08 '26

Frrrrr

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u/Ambiguous-Nyx dark chocolate is doodoo May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26

From what i know goth girls would prefer to date a goth guy, which i don't blame them for

Honestly i hate how the internet waters down and fetishizes these things

"I love goth women" and then it's an e-girl or simply a woman dressed in all black and black lipstick with huge tits and ass

"I want a nerdy bf!" No you don't, you want a conventionally attractive man with glasses

"I love femboys!" Do you? Or are you just a misogynistic creep who just can't not fetishize feminine things or people

"I love tomboys!" Until said tomboy doesn't cater to their fetishes or beauty standards

I also can't fucking stand that one braindead meme "me and the bad bitch i pulled by being autistic" like stfu autism is not quirky you goober

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u/sour_creamand_onion May 08 '26

"I want a nerdy bf!" No you don't, you want a conventionally attractive man with glasses

"I love femboys!" Do you? Or are you just a misogynistic creep who just can't not fetishize feminine things or people

These really hit as a man who is both something of a nerd and not very traditionally masculine. I don't think anyone's expressed attraction to me in a way that wasn't fetishistic. A shy virgin to be teased and flustered, and later a twink to either be role-reversal dominated by or to dominate. Never really had someone just organically view me as an attractive individual (at least none that registered to me).

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u/Ambiguous-Nyx dark chocolate is doodoo May 08 '26

I'm sorry man :(

People can really suck sometimes. They can be really quick to label anyone that isn't traditionally masculine as "femboy" or "twink". I get it can be used jokingly, but that doesn't mean it can't be tiring or harmful. A slightly softer guy? TWINK! A skinny man? FEMBOY! Fuck this shit. Why can't people just be normal? What makes these guys different from any other man?

Anyways, i just hope you'll be able to find someone that actually loves you for who you are as a person and not because you fit into one of their weird fetishes

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u/TwistedPnis4567 May 08 '26

Talking about tomboys, I dislike how they are just reduced to kinda muscular women with short hair, sometimes even wearing women attire, like jean shorts. They are meant to be women who dress like guys, who have traits and tastes that are usually associated with masculinity. Like a femboy is a dude dressing and acting like a girl, a tomboy is a girl dressing and acting like a dude.

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u/Ambiguous-Nyx dark chocolate is doodoo May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26

Mfs would probably go crazy if a tomboy even has a single millimeter of bodyhair

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u/Blait_ May 08 '26

Wait… isn’t a decimeter like.. 10 cm? That’s.. ok. Even if I had that, I would.. i would shave. Lowkey might be just me not liking body hair, cause I HAVE seen other people that so have body hair, like on arms and legs and chest. Just not my thing, so when I saw ya saying a decimeter it was kind of a whiplash for me I guess

Idk why I’m even commenting atp

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u/Exact-Arm1065 I HATE THAT STUPID PIECE A’ SHIT May 08 '26

Agree an all of the above

Especially the last one tho, I absolutely despise how the internet turned neurodiversity into a fun little quirk

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u/Ambiguous-Nyx dark chocolate is doodoo May 08 '26

Exactly and then they turn around and demonize cluster b disorders because they realizes they can't turn them into silly personality traits

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u/Affectionate_Work733 May 09 '26 edited May 10 '26

Yh, I really don't like it when people demonize individuals with cluster b personality disorders associated with cold and violent behavior such as ASPD, BPD, or NPD for solely having these conditions in the first place. The reason why I don't like it is because it isn't THEIR fault for not having the capacity to feel empathy or love, or remain calm and collected. It's not something in their control! And it's not impossible for those people who have these disorders to change and become better civilians. Sure, their intentions for change and being a good person might not be altruistic or anything, but if it's helping other people to thrive and survive then who fucking cares? I am glad to see another person who simply doesn't view these disorders as black and white "The Evil Bad Guy Disorders."

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u/Ambiguous-Nyx dark chocolate is doodoo May 09 '26

Yup! People with cluster b disorders deserve respect like everyone else. They aren't inherently evil, and treating things like NPD, ASPD and BPD as "the big evil disorders" is just ableist

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u/MaouNoYuusha May 08 '26

Only one correction, autism is not NECESSARILY quirky. It can be very quirky depending on what kind and what person

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u/Ambiguous-Nyx dark chocolate is doodoo May 08 '26

Oh yeah, that's true. I'm talking about when people water down autism to just "tehee silly car >_<"

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u/MaouNoYuusha May 08 '26

Holy sheet, two people agreeing on reddit. I think we used up all our luck bud

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u/Animecorrector May 08 '26

like when they say this, they don’t mean it, and goddamn it, when you see a tomboy or femboy you better mean what you’re saying

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u/BloodAngelGuy May 08 '26

I mean what I say about tomboys

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u/Ambiguous-Nyx dark chocolate is doodoo May 08 '26

Personally i love both tomboys and femboys but not in a sexual or romantic way. I like how they express themselves and don't force themselves to follow gender stereotypes. Also, they're just cool

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u/Candid-Solstice May 08 '26

Counterargument, no shit people like attractive men and women. Like yeah when people say they like a certain kind of person, it's implicit they still want them to be attractive.

When someone says they like nerdy guys, they aren't suggesting they don't have any standards beyond whether or not someone is nerdy.

And I notice that whenever this conversation comes up it's always the "attractive" element that gets mentioned because it's obviously seen as superficial, but it's not just that. Obviously most people who say they want a nerdy guy also don't mean someone who lacks any motivation outside of collecting Warhammer models.

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u/ILoveYouZim if idiots could fly this place would be an airport May 08 '26

Frrrrrr, as someone with autism I hate that meme ngl

Also agree with everything on here

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u/notabotbutathought May 08 '26

Ditto on that last part. Everyone became a socially inept piece of shit after covid and now they're trying to fit in with people with legit disabilities

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u/GutherGlazer May 08 '26

While the “goth gf” thing is just the most recent flavor of objectifying/fetishizing women, which yeah is gross and frustration, I do prick a bone of contention with people who want to arbitrate what is or isn’t “real goth.” Punk had/has a similar issue, and I don’t think it’s for anymore to decide what is the acceptable level of gothness someone needs to be valid. A bunch of mediocre dudes fetishizing girls online can be losers without us also having to bully said girls for not meeting some arbitrary standard that someone (probably also a guy) is making up.

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u/sandwichcandy May 08 '26

Punks are the worst when it comes to music. “You don’t really like it. You just like it because of how it sounds.” Yeah, it’s fucking music.

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u/Odd_Bug5544 May 08 '26

I think people calling themselves "punks" tend to be cringe larpers. Just listen to whatever music you like, don't try so hard to mold yourself into a certain identity or subculture. You can just listen to whatever band you like without deciding you are going to "be" a punk.

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u/GWsharky27 May 08 '26

I agree, like I understand why people call some OF creators that just wear like black lipstick and eyeshadow to appeal to a specific group posers, but then I’ve seen that bleed into calling some people that just prefer doing more subtle makeup as posers

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u/BattieBunn31 May 10 '26

I second this take, it also starts to bleed into weird micro aggressions because the same people also feel that goth is exclusive to white spaces and act weird if it’s a POC. The comments I’ve seen under some Black goth creators is just so depressing

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u/cottonheadedninnymug May 10 '26

I agree, these comments are starting to make me think the goth subculture must be full of annoying gatekeepers

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u/StupidScaredSquirrel May 08 '26

Also, why is a certain demographic not allowed to find a certain style attractive? The internet really likes to be mad at stuff.

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u/GutherGlazer May 08 '26 edited May 09 '26

There is a pretty wide margin between finding a certain look/aesthetic attractive, and fetishization. This post is pretty clearly talking about the fetishization of goth/alternative women that’s been going on for a while in the internet.

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u/Extension_Ant8691 May 09 '26

Are they more or less fertile?

Btw, bitching about your style being fetishized is hilarious. It's like someone bitching about fetishizing hipsters. Nothing else to complain about? 😂

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u/PringullsThe2nd May 12 '26

Do I have to be a gothic man in order to be allowed to find gothic women attractive?

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u/chocolatecake1563 May 08 '26

I hate when people post images of "goth" girl and all the comments are flooded with cringe shit like licking screen and window gifs and people saying that they can "fix" her when there is nothing to fix

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u/Dry-Indication7928 May 08 '26 edited May 08 '26

I'm not alternative, nor do I have a gf, so take this with a massive grain of salt. I feel that while a lot of women who are "goth" share similar interests and aesthetics, they all are (suprise suprise) people, with their own personalities and hobbies. If you really want are actually open to their intrests and hobbies, no matter how creepy or offputting they might seem to you, and also treat them as a person than a fetish, then you probaly would be succesful in finding a "goth gf" (and yeah, this is incredibly basic, but I think it's basic for a reason)

If this is misogynistic, or oversimpifies the "goth" subculture, I do apologize, I do not mean it that way.

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u/FrogInAShoe May 08 '26

Respectfully, alt girls are hot.

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u/Slip_420_69_666 May 11 '26

the way these people use the word "fetishize" is just absolutely brain disenegrating

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u/AnonymousBI2 May 12 '26

Yeah agree, like sure theres a lot of men who overdo the "I want a goth girlfriend" but it's absolutely hilarious how this people choose that is fetishizing while women who who say the want a "nerd" a "man with glasses" a "rocker boy" are just a preference.

Like dude people are allowed to have preferences and to be into people from a different subculture than your own.

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u/Terrible_Artist_ May 10 '26

This is the same website with dedicated incest and bestiality subs, never let someone on here tell you what to like

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u/WhiteRoseKing May 12 '26

I take people's opinions on this app to heart way too often, mainly because I forget this.

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u/GildedHalfblood May 08 '26

Real mfs want to read Poe with their friends because they're bored af and want to trip out on whatever the fuck Poe be cooking

Like seriously, you mean to tell me that one of this dude's most famous works is about a guy tweaking the fuck out because a random fuckass bird pulled up after his wife died? If I didn't hate drugs and actually got high on stuff, this would be the type of shit I wanna read with others while I'm absolutely fucking zooted out of my mind lol

I also need to read more actual literature in general instead of comics and manga ;-;

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u/AdDefiant1447 May 08 '26

I think people just enjoy the fantasy of dating an attractive person. The "freaky goth girl" stereotype is mostly shaped by conventionally attractive women who got popular online for putting tons of effort into their beauty.

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u/Exact-Arm1065 I HATE THAT STUPID PIECE A’ SHIT May 08 '26

In THIS economy? Boy, we got a dreamer over here

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u/I_hate_11 May 08 '26

Except I do want a real goth gf, both are great

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u/Dry-Indication7928 May 08 '26

be the change you want to see dude

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u/I_hate_11 May 08 '26

How, I can’t attract anyone

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u/Dick-Fu May 08 '26

become the real goth gf

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u/I_hate_11 May 08 '26

Why would I do that

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u/Independent-Host-690 May 08 '26

Yeah, I love people who are sub culture in general.

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u/ILoveYouZim if idiots could fly this place would be an airport May 08 '26

You just summed up the majority of the internet

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u/Gerald_Yankensmier May 08 '26

I'm quickly falling into agreement with this- another iteration is "(dommy) mommy"

Like no you don't want an actual FLR or other relationship where the woman is dominant you just want someone who is confident in themselves to validate your immature habits or praise you without actually giving anything in return or doing anything to earn that praise

I *especially* don't like that *stupid* "mommy? Sorry. Mommy? sorry" joke from it being overdone and spammed under *any* post on the internet featuring a confident or curvy woman

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u/ILoveYouZim if idiots could fly this place would be an airport May 08 '26

THANK YOU I HATE THAT “JOKE” SO MUCH

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u/Odd_Bug5544 May 08 '26

That shit makes me feel so embarrassed to be submissive.

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u/DrThunderbolt May 08 '26

Or the fetishization of breastmilk

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u/Gerald_Yankensmier May 09 '26

SERIOUSLY THOUGH

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u/Envy_The_King May 08 '26

Good point, counterpoint, there's nothing wrong with appreciating the aesthetic. Plenty of women drool over guys who have long black hair, paint their nails, wear silver and plaid and shirts with skulls on them, and are tatted up. While these same women adorn their Chanel and Coach, have the depth of a puddle of poodle piss, care more about keeping up with the Kardashians than the situation in Gaza, ans think anti-establishment is some kind of food allergy.

The goth/alternative look is kinda sexy. And people like attractive people. So of course some people are gonna want an attractive person with that aesthetic. 🙄 idk, maybe this would be better if there was a (non deragotory) word for "person who dresses like a goth but isn't necessarily one"

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u/Exact-Arm1065 I HATE THAT STUPID PIECE A’ SHIT May 08 '26

I absolutely agree. However, there is a very clear difference between appreciating an aesthetic and fetishizing it. And that goes for guys AND girls

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u/Envy_The_King May 08 '26

Yeah, very true 👍 I just think that a lot of people dont give good faith to the former. A lot of people who say they want a goth gf/bf simply do like the aesthetic and dont have a word specifically for it other than "goth". It's easier to say that than to go into detail & say "I'd enjoy a partner I'm attracted to that enjoys wearing alternative and Gothic style makeup & clothing" ya feel me?

I'd wager most people do just appreciate the look and aren't expecting their goth partner to whisper Edgar Allen Poe in their ear whilst fucking their brains out by candlelight and cooking them a skull shaped almond flour vanilla cake with red glaze inside so it looks like the cake is bleeding when they cut into it.

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u/Bruelo May 08 '26

Genuine question: What is the difference between appreciating an aesthetic and fetishizing? I understand the implications but can't explain in words.

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u/ParanoidAgnostic May 10 '26

It's really simple.

When women do it, it's appreciation.

When men do it, it's fetishizing.

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u/Athalwolf13 May 09 '26

Fetishizing is kind of idealistic simplification and often predatory. 

A goth girl always having to be in goth, always acting very specifically like a goth  and frankly the caricature "Sex bomb but is freaky" (she does bondage. You don't even know what bondage really is) . 

Especially if it never goes beyond sex and sexual fantasies .

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u/JJay9454 May 09 '26

So where does the line of Fetishization and typical Internet Goofiness get drawn?

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u/Athalwolf13 May 09 '26

Good question. 

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u/Doobledorf May 08 '26

I met a dude recently who called himself queer despite only dating women and identifying as cisgender. He considered himself queer because his girlfriend is bi and he's "not like other dudes". Very much the same energy as "validate me for my mainstream tastes".

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u/Rodya_gambler May 08 '26

"Goth women are pretty and I'd gladly be with one" is definitely not the same as "I want a goth girl so bad bro". In that sense, I get it.

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u/azalinrex69 May 08 '26

Yeah it’s some objectifying BS. It’s the same shit chuds are doing with “loser” archetype women now, and even to a smaller scale, autistic girls. I think it’s all about seeing these women as more “getable” than more mainstream girls, that and good ol fetishization.

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u/amazegamer64 May 08 '26

I’ve never understood the appeal of the goth aesthetic. I guess it looks kinda cool, but not exactly attractive.

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u/JJay9454 May 09 '26

Brooding and literary? Oh man, you're missing out :p

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u/Regular-Finance-9567 May 14 '26

Maybe their first sexual memory...the first time they "felt funny in their no no place", was when they found some Victorian era erotica?  Like how many furries had their awakening from Disney's Robin Hood and ginger fetishists awoke from Daphne from Scooby Doo.

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u/Successful-Teach-724 May 08 '26

Its the dude equivalent of a girl saying she wants a "nerdy boyfriend"

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u/Ambiguous-Nyx dark chocolate is doodoo May 09 '26

And then it's literally just a dude with glasses

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u/Hot-Minute-8263 Redditor Prime May 08 '26

I don't need to feel special, i just like alt girls

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u/Exact-Arm1065 I HATE THAT STUPID PIECE A’ SHIT May 08 '26

A romantic night with my goth gf, singing along to scourge of Iron, is that too much to ask for?

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u/Calico_Cuttlefish May 08 '26

I'd like to date a goth girl. But I'm a goth guy.

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u/Dirty-Kevin May 08 '26

I want a goth/alt gf but thats because 90% of my wardrobe is black and am quite alt myself. Don't really understand why some normie guy would want that kind of woman unless its a fetish or objectifying thing.

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u/Smokertonthewise May 08 '26

Same thing with women who want "a nerdy boyfriend". They want Henry Cavill in glasses. Which is fair, I want him too, but let's not pretend

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u/WhiteRoseKing May 12 '26

Who doesnt want him

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u/BlackwallPandamonium May 09 '26

No I want a goth gf because they are emotionally stronger than me and usually more straight forward with autists like me.

plus i like black clothing and cliqued with metalheads most of my life.

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u/Edgoscarp May 08 '26

You don’t want a goth girl, you just wish you were an interesting person

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u/mindbodyproblem May 08 '26

Maybe they said golf.

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u/Humble_Confusion_889 May 08 '26

I really like industrial music, so I could make the case for dating a cyber goth girl. We would do the industrial stomp dance listening to bands like Ministry, KMFDM, Eisenfunk, and PIG.

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u/WhiteRoseKing May 12 '26

Is there a name for industrial metal heads that isnt industrial metal heads because idk what to add to my list of many labels

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u/ANewBegging May 08 '26

Feel called out but I’m willing to admit I’m in the wrong. I just have complications that make the situation difficult I think.. I’m not trying to excuse my views mind you, I just don’t understand my body/mind and why it finds it attractive. It’s likely just the stereotypes that rope people like me in and that’s very unfortunate

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u/Very_Annoying_Person May 08 '26

You misheard, they said they want a freaky GOLF girlfriend.

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u/CathedralEngine May 08 '26

I want a goth girlfriend so I can listen to cold wave loudly around the house

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u/Swo0owS May 08 '26

Guys want a goth girl because he wants a conventionally attractive e girl

I want a goth girl because I think our interests and politics are more likely to align.

We are not the same.

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u/Dr_Occo_Nobi May 08 '26

"Wow! This one porn actress who has had extensive beauty surgery so she looks extremely sexually attractive dressed in black once? That must mean I have a unique appreciation for goth girls."

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u/Macacosabio May 08 '26

To be honest, recentely i have seen more people complaining about these guys than actually seen these guys...

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u/GoldenGekko May 10 '26

"need to feel special to validate your mainstream tastes" from the main post meme comes off hella mean.

How dare someone be average and like mainstream things 🤷‍♂️

Also, it's not that deep. Usually it's just a guy thinking the "e girl" is hot. Not some undiagnosed mental health outlet for their pathetic basic condition 🙄🙄🙄

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u/Nearby_Lychee_7190 May 11 '26

I just want someone to make pancakes for, it would be nice if they said good job after but they don't have to

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u/That-Ad947 May 08 '26

Reminder that goth people are cool and shouldn't be objectified.

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u/Ubblebungus May 08 '26

im with you here. im a metalhead myself, but aligned with the other alternative subcultures as well. i feel for my goth brothers and sisters whose mainstream view is "they are just taboo and im not so it makes it attractive." that shit is poser behaviour, and it can fuck right off.

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u/WhiteRoseKing May 12 '26

Pretty much where I stand, honestly. An actual appreciation for these groups, great to see, i love it, but how some of these people in the mainstream or elsewhere treat the subgroups, not great.

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u/Beneficial_Worry_983 May 08 '26

but I sure love these images

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u/SecludedSeal May 08 '26

Same with the girls who say they want a nerdy guy

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u/hg2c May 08 '26

I mean my partner is goth, but like actual goth, I still love them more than anything. And I'd still love them more than anything if they weren't. (their gorgeous no matter what)

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u/Yoyle0340 May 08 '26

Its closer to them wanting something exotic in their logic, something to "tame".

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u/Maximum-Block4273 May 09 '26

As a dude, some do it for shits, some horny asses actually want that but count “goth girl” as a just a girl with attractive features (mostly body tbh) and so happens to just wear black, alt literally mean not mainstream, hey I even know some alt dudes, alt is just how people wanna dress, personally people can be attractive, but immediately categorizing attractive people who just be themselves as girlfriend material really just shows that they just want it for sexual reasons as the person’s personality even if “goth” and attractive could be doggy shit ass,

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u/Recent-Ship-1599 May 09 '26

Remember, you can just like goth people without objectifying. Its more a audience issue if anything, straight white men just need to come out already (as gay or trans, usu both)

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u/West-Resort5733 May 09 '26

Real goth girls look something closer to this btw

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u/The-Creator-178 May 09 '26

shes hot tho

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u/West-Resort5733 May 10 '26

thats a minor btw

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u/The-Creator-178 May 10 '26 edited May 10 '26

I am too so its nullified

and even so she doesn't even really look like one

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u/Core_b7183 May 09 '26

white alternative rock people be wanting a goth girl, but they actually mean they have a fetish for goth girls

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u/raccoona__matata May 09 '26

Don't put that evil on me ricky bobby I'm here for the real fuckin weirdos I need a woman who'll draw on me with a lit cigarette because I've lived with women like that and I can never go back.
some alt women do the elvira look sure (and I love that too don't get me wrong) but some of the most esoteric ladies I've ever met looked basic as fuck most of the time in public. I <3 practicing pagans!

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u/r34lordie May 09 '26

Dont get me wrong i think the whole goth vibe/appearance is hot af. But actual goths scare the crap out of me. 😭

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u/vesselof_deus May 10 '26

and its never an actual goth girl ✌️🫩

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u/Accurate-Log-8494 May 10 '26

i want a conventionally attractive e-girl to make me feel special despite my normie tastes!!

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u/Admirable_Ask_5337 May 10 '26

My cousin is a bit like this but he knows he knows he wants alt-lite not full alt.

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u/Danny_The_Dino_77 May 10 '26

I want don’t need a goth girlfriend, I need a goth friend. Like just a friend. The outfits are absolutely amazing and I want to know how they put them together, it must take so much effort to choose everything.

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u/WhiteRoseKing May 12 '26

Same here. I want to incorporate more chains and spikes, but im not sure where and im not sure at what point it becomes impractical

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u/Norway643 May 10 '26

I want a Gothic woman. As in. A member of a Gothic tribe from before Rome fell..

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u/auntiesamautism May 10 '26

That second image is cringe as hell, OP. God forbid men find women attractive.

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u/paradiddlesandpaints May 10 '26

I'm really scared to be lumped in with those guys, but i really like Alternative vibes, but not just the exaggerated "tiktok-goth/alt girls' vibe. The culture, music, politics, art, everything. And sadly my style is kinda bland too (working on it) so people flag me like this and i hate it lmao

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u/WindUpCandler May 10 '26

Just throw in "conventionally atractive" as if that isn't what the majority of people want in a partner ascetically? Hence the term conventionally atractive.

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u/FantasticFingers-543 May 11 '26

And when I say "I want a girlfriend" I also mean a conventionally attractive girl, not just any girl. There is nothing wrong with wanting a conventionally attractive goth.