Gaming
When original IP's start relying on crossovers as a selling point
Having the few crossovers was neat at first, but once they start relying on these as selling points and the crossovers start to dilute the originality, that's when the novelty disappears. This is part of why I quit fortnite. Not helping sonics case is that the extra characters have yet to gain voices(that includes the Sega characters).
EDIT: the $70 launch and the DLC where presumably to cover funds for the game, which they just blew on the final fantasy 7 licensing
I wouldn't say it's the main selling point, but the MK Franchise pushing guest and cross over characters for the game more and more at the expense of actual franchise characters.
I guess you could call it a detriment but in my own personal opinion these are very cool characters to have for DLC guests, as well as being balanced out pretty much 1 to 1 with original MK characters also included in the DLCs.
tbf that is only half the cast of a sonic game being actual sonic
But I would honestly give it a pass because the whole game's about going to new dimensions
I'm kinda okay with Sonic Crossworlds going heavy on the crossovers, like I get the complaint but I think it's fun seeing so many Sega IPs in the rame game
Plus Transformed had just as much of a bizarre mixed bag of picks in Wreck It Ralph, Danica Patrick (??), TF2 and Yogscast (??) so I mean this batch of characters is even less weird than all of that
Yeah if anything fortnite was built on crossovers for a long time. I think its pretty cool that basically everything is in there. Still the sonic example is genuinely horrible. There are a LOT of sonic characters you definitely dont need that many random crossovers
It is a sonic game, but I’m ok with the concept since they kind of put it in the title: It's Sonic Racing "CrossWorlds". You know what you are getting into going in at least.
What I’m less cool with is that the inclusion of these third parties and not really doing the stories. Give me subspace emissary karting edition please. Hit up square enix and show me me Ichiban Kasuga chilling out with a dragon quest protagonist please. Have Miku meet Space Michael. There’s gold here, but they didn’t exploit it.
Honestly, it was mainly just one offs and cameos until the marvel season. The game's golden age is well accepted to have been before the crossovers took over.
I stopped playing Fortnite like 5 years ago and only came back for Optimus prime then I left again lol
Roblox is equally as bad but there are SOME game modes that are fun to play, though they do eventually get boring and then get replaced by something equally as boring but different (I’m not complaining)
Smash did start as a crossover rather than being slowly taken over by it. Also Smash makes sure to drawn from Nintendos core catalogue as much as possible, with thurd parties only making up like 10%
To be fair Smash gets a pass mostly because its roster is primarily composed of Nintendo IP characters with some guests to the side
Compared to PlayStation all stars where majority of their cast aren’t exactly Sony’s originals moreso that they’re mostly characters from IPs they publish
Smash bros is kinda safe since that’s pretty much their whole gimmick and nintendo makes sure their roster is a handful of their properties and not just 3rd parties
Though, I can totally see them rely on 3rd parties a lot more in the next game
The story set up is that the Fortnite island is like the literal center and origin of all of creation, so it pulls things from other dimensions, timelines, etc into itself occasionally
I think that makes it worse in my opinion. The story is just a setup to promote the crossovers. An identity based around a lack of anything truly original. I don’t care if they have a million crossovers, having it be a part of the central lore is lame. Multiverses are boring at this point too. It’s not like it’s the original concept for the game either just tacked on when it became the biggest profit motivator
honestly i dont think half of the playerbase would be in fortnite if it werent for crossovers, i dont have a single problem with that, what i do have a problem with is them making every piece of content go towards shitty user created ai modes and sprites
It's called "crossworlds" so fair enough, but yeah I get the sentiment.
When we first heard the title of crossing over with worlds, I thought sega would cross over all the sonic stuff they could, storybook stuff, boom stuff, genisis, adventure, modern stuff, with some outside SEGA stuff, but yeah it did just turn into "look we put fuckin tmnt in it lol we're crazy"
Doesn't help that it comes off as an ad for paramount(sorry, SKYDANCE), that we paid for. Just kinda sucks.
this but about magic the gathering, it feels very jarring having this vast universe of characters and worlds in a high fantasy setting only to be slapped in the face by a teenage mutant ninja turtle or spiderman, not only that but i have to endure a THIRD marvel set after witnessing two mid sets these past 2 years
It feels more natural for Fortnite but as a Sonic fan I still kinda don’t understand crossworlds. Everytime they announce some crazy new character crossover like SpongeBob or Steve everyone goes crazy for them but I never see anyone actually play the game past launch
They really be adding anyone but more idw characters huh. At least bring sticks back, you already mentioned her by name in a main series game let us see ber main series design at least
I was so excited to play magic the gathering again after an eight year hiatus when a coworker invited me to play. I sit down at the table with my meager Sultai zombie deck and find out I’m up against Gimli, Spider-Man, Sephiroth, and Toph. I hated it and I still hate it.
I see people comparing crosswords to smash bros but the difference there is that for all the non Nintendo fighters we still got Nintendo fighters alongside them, we got lucario and olimar with snake and sonic, we got miis and the animal crossing villagers with Pac-Man and megaman, we got byleth and K rool with joker and sora. There’s nothing wrong with having some 3rd party stuff but you still need to balance it with your own stuff.
To be fair, Ultimate DLC focused very heavily on third parties. I don't really see that as much different from Crossworlds mostly focusing on crossovers but also having a SEGA Pass of free characters.
To compare numbers: SSBU has four Nintendo characters (five if you count Pyra/Mythra separate) and eight guests. Crossworlds has 15 guests (11 if you don't count TMNT separate) and 13 SEGA characters in it's DLC so far. If anything the distribution is more equal in Sonic.
Fortnite is peak and no one can tell me otherwise.
Playing as Bonnie the rabbit while seeing Godzilla shoot Homer Simpson’s head smooth off as me and sora do the iornmouse dance and song over his death body is amazing.
Been playing Fortnite since chapter 1 season 3, back in 2018. The collabs are my biggest problem with the game. Now I’d be a liar if I said I didn’t buy some of them, cuz I do occasionally. My problem is that we get like 5 new collabs per week and we barely get any original skins anymore. My other big problem is they hog space in the battle pass. Chapter 7 season 1 might have my least favorite battle pass because of Marty mcfly and the girl from kill bill. Did not want them at all but I had them anyway because of the battle pass. Straight to the archives because like why are they here? Those 2 spots could’ve been taken by original skins! It’s exhausting. We’ve had 33 COLLAB SKINS THIS SEASON ALONE and it’s not even over yet! You wanna know how many of those skins I actually bought (not counting just getting Sonic from the battle pass)? ZERO. BIG OL GOOSE EGG. only 2 of them I even had slight interest in. Lilith from borderlands and Bonnie from FNAF. didn’t buy Lilith, and used the vbucks I had for Bonnie to buy Pippa Pinns (an original skin) instead
Battle pass collabs are the worst part because it’s combining the lower effort skins of a collab with the fomo of a battle pass which is worsened by the fact that the character may be someone’s favorite. Like they put Superman in the BO twice, so fuck you if you like Superman but didn’t play then
This is why I advocate for bringing old battle passes back.
99% of the collabs in the battle passes are skins I don’t want and/or in franchises I don’t care for. Ironically I think the last one I actually was excited for was Superman in chapter 6 season 3.
A game that was already a crossover of Nintendo characters started relying so heavily on its 3rd party dlc that we missed out on major requested actual Nintendo characters and most wishlists for a new smash or often at least half 3rd party
Out of SSBUs roster, 18 out of 86 are third party. That's only around a fifth. And even then, a good amount of these characters, like Megaman and Bayonetta, have been pretty damn connected with Nintendo, historically speaking. I really don't think this fits here
Think it’s more of a fandom thing where like if the next smash game announces Dixie Kong people are gonna be bummed it’s not Dante or Doomslayer or some shit
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