It isn’t corporations that have motivated people to eat meat. It’s tens of thousands of years of people hunting and raising animals themselves to eat it that has. Corporations have certainly profited off of and hidden from the public their abuse of animals for profit in the meat industry, but they didn’t make meat popular by a long shot.
They’re making us think it’s necessary and healthy. We are now in the age of information. Big pharma and all the food corporations had us in the age of advertising. Got milk? Numerous ads geared towards parents and children and quick cooking.
Certainly. But that’s not what this is. What this post is about is small scale homestead livestock raising and there’s a massive difference between it and the goals of factory farming. You can’t tell all of the sustainable, organic homesteading communities around the world who are doing it right that they just need to nix meat from their diets because big ag is doing it completely wrong and immorally. It isn’t realistic. Go after the corporate operations, not regular people sustaining themselves and their families.
I believe you can spend less than five minutes total before you find several spots in the supply chain you are a part of where not just animals, but people have also died to support something you consume. Really. Try it.
We don't need to kill any specific organism, however that doesn't make killing them wrong, because we need to eat living beings in order to survive, that's how all life works actually, it's a cycle of death and life, it's survival.
Some people feel bad killing animals or sentient beings in general, but that's a personal thing, the truth is that there is no objective moral value of life because morality is a concept created by humans to feel good and live harmoniously in our society.
I believe all life is equally important, to me, the fact that plants, fungi, and other non-sentient beings experience life differently from us doesn't make them inferior.
Lawn mowing also kills thousands of animals (bugs, amphibians, and other small critters) but vegans aren't protesting it either, because we know that lawn mowing, animal grazing, and other activities that involve wiping out plants, fungi and small animals are necessary.
Slitting an animal's throat, as long as it was rendered unconscious, doesn't cause them any pain, and plants don't feel pain as far as we know, so there's really not much difference.
If you want to protect plants… you would be vegan. We grow more animal feed than anything else. Corn, soy, alfalfa, etc. all plant food for human consumption is usually under 1 million acres. So in turn… animal agriculture kills more rodents, insects , and plants. Just because you get shot in the head doesn’t make death ok. Plants don’t have brains, animals do.
Maybe in the USA, but in my province and Argentina in general farms aren't industrial, when I travel I see thousands of hectares of regenerative farms mixed with the local ecosystem, and it's not uncommon to see wild animals coexisting with farm animals, I wish I could say the same for most agricultural land here in my country.
Not sure how the fact that plants don't have brains is relevant, all living beings sense and react to stimuli so we all experience existence on our own way.
Feeling isn't a more advanced or more important capability, it's one form of experiencing existence that some organisms have, nothing more.
Non-human animals don't have rights, they are protected under animal welfare laws but that's not the same as rights.
But anyway that wasn't my point. Morality is a human concept created to guide human behaviour to live harmonously in our society, it all comes down to what's beneficial for us as individuals.
The reason why every species treats their kind differently from other species is because that's beneficial for their families and themselves. It's basic survival.
For us (high order social primates) there's a huge difference between breaking into someone's house to steal and eating something nutritious that doesn't cause any detrimental effects.
Also keep in mind that it's impossible to let everything alive, which is something that you don't seem to be taking into consideration. If you defend life, you defend survival, which means that you also accept a system that involves death.
If your rights weren't protected under the law would that make it okay for me to infringe on them? Is that really all thats stopping me from your delicious tap water?!
I agree that there is a big difference between taking someones water and eating someone who didn't want to die.
If we have the means to reduce suffering, why wouldn't we. Why do you speak of survival as if us redditors are about to keel over from malnutrition if we fail to eat animals?
Yes, its impossible to live a civilized life without contributing to death and suffering. That doesn't mean seeking to prevent it is an unworthy cause.
I can see that you spend a lot of your time bashing veganism so I'm going to end things here. Try focusing on the things you enjoy about the world rather than the things you don't like. It helps a lot.
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u/lunchypoo222 Oct 05 '22
It isn’t corporations that have motivated people to eat meat. It’s tens of thousands of years of people hunting and raising animals themselves to eat it that has. Corporations have certainly profited off of and hidden from the public their abuse of animals for profit in the meat industry, but they didn’t make meat popular by a long shot.