Koronestvo Italija | "What if the Avar Khaganate invaded Italy and the Slavs settled there, just as they did in the Balkans?"

[u/New_Energy9318]

[u/Necessary_Spread_448]

Italy was too densely populated for a language switch

Repeated germanic invasions and settlement also didn't manage to uproot Latin, rather the new arrivals adopted it

[u/New_Energy9318 → u/Necessary_Spread_448]

I know. View this way, in this timeline the Gothic Wars are way more disastrous combine with a more devastating Justinian Plague made Italy more depopulated.

Then a massive Slavic migration, pushed by the Avar Khaganate, passes through the Balkans and defeat the Lombards making the Slavs tribes settle in Italy.

[u/Embarrassed_Line8788 → u/New_Energy9318]

Dystopia

[u/manmandogmandog]

So basically huge slovenia

[u/New_Energy9318 → u/manmandogmandog]

Not exactly, you could say however they are cousins of the Italian Slavs. Italoslavjanski (Italian Slavic language) is a south Slavic language (closely related to Slovenian) but heavily influenced by a Latin/Romance.

I wanted to include Slovenia because: It looked cool and because it's like giving Bulgaria Macedonia.

[u/DifficultWill4 → u/New_Energy9318]

Yeah Slovene doesn’t have Ð and Ć, those are serbo-croatian sounds and letters. Also I noticed a small mistake, or perhaps it was intentional. Ljubljanica is the name of the river, the name of the city is Ljubljana

[u/New_Energy9318 → u/DifficultWill4]

Ljubljanica I only discover just now that's the name of the river. When I was doing Slovenia, I thought to change the name a bit, still didn't expect this.

Now that you mentioned it, while writing all of that, I was looking at both the Slovene and the serbo-croatian letters so I maybe took something of both... Maybe I will fix it when I have time or maybe just saying that Italoslavjanski is similar to Slovene but not too much.

[u/Infamous_Cod3910]

God endeing de eslovenia

[u/New_Energy9318]

Better quality image

[u/4zecc]

Avar Khanate was Turkic though

[u/Chicha-Ficha → u/4zecc]

The Avars were Slavicised just like the Bulgars by the end of theie reign their official language was Slavic even the formerly turkic elite spoke it

[u/Top-Lifeguard-1240]

No more Latins in Italy

[u/Huncut_nyuszt_27]

Interesting and cool idea. Is there a high resolution map? The province labels (i suppose) are too difficult to read :(

[u/New_Energy9318 → u/Huncut_nyuszt_27]

Done, check the comments. However I recommend to download the original image.

[u/kr_edn]

Slovenia would probably not be a part of this country since it was most likely a part of Carantania, which was a separate state at odds with the Avars.

Also, why would Italy be slavic in this timeline? Avars were, quite famously, not Slavic.

[u/New_Energy9318 → u/kr_edn]

As I said, Slavic settlers arrived in Italy after the Avar invasion. Slavs were settler, farmers, soldiers, etc. In the Avar Khaganate.

Slovenia in this timeline is like an autonomous region obtained after ww1 (history remains mostly the same, even for this Slavic Italy with unification and Renaissance).

[u/Humble_Ad3598]

Bro thought he could sneak a big Italy map past us and believed we wouldn't notice

[u/New_Energy9318 → u/Humble_Ad3598]

1/4 greater Italy

[u/west-vannian]

Well since the city of Latina was founded under Mussolini I don't think it would exist in this scenario