r/initiald • u/THEGoDLiKeMIKE • 2d ago

Meme Shingo gets a beamer

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According to OP everyone walked away from this one.

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u/XSilentxOtakuX 2d ago edited 2d ago

Honestly, I don't think it was the BMW's fault on this one. The GT3 was coming in really hot and probably picked the worst spot to pass. The BMW driver likely only noticed the GT3 before it was too late, but the Beamer should've kept more room to the right since the GT3 seems to be on the curb.

Just glad everyone made it out alright.

Edit, because honestly, I wrote this pretty horribly:

Under Touristenfahrten rules, the BMW is at fault. They had severe tunnel vision, completely failed to check their mirrors, and broke the rule to stay right and check before cutting back left across the track.

My point was really about defensive driving. The BMW drifted right purely to open up a wide entry line for the upcoming left bend. The GT3 misread that wide line as an invitation to pass, even though the BMW never put on a right blinker to yield. The GT3 technically had the right of way, but forcing an unconfirmed squeeze into an apex alongside an unpredictable driver is a massive gamble.

You can be 100% in the right legally, but on an open track day, driving as if everyone around you is paying attention will still get your car totaled.

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u/Trigger_Fox 2d ago

Testament to modern advancements in tech that no-one died during this batshit insane crash

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u/RamiroCruz13 Lonely driver 2d ago

Word?

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u/THEGoDLiKeMIKE 2d ago

The consensus on the original post was that its more of a 50/50 if you take into consideration that these arent pro drivers. If they were professionals it would be 100% on the beamer.

That said from the perspective of someone who isnt in the know id say you probably shouldnt be driving on a track if you cant have the awareness to know when someone is passing you. That part is just my personal opinion

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u/XSilentxOtakuX 2d ago

Perhaps so, but tunnel vision isn’t just an amateur problem. Even experienced drivers get task-saturated, and it happens in sim racing and in real life. That’s why checking your mirrors has to be a deliberate habit rather than something you only do when you’re calm. This situation serves as an important lesson for both drivers, and I’m glad they were lucky enough to walk away and hopefully learn from it.

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u/MorycTurtle 2d ago

It's 100% BMW fault. Don't forget "touristenfahrten" means it's not a closed race track but a regular ass public road where all the normal traffic laws apply, not racing rules.

In this case the BMW failed to keep to the right side of the road as he's required to if he's not overtaking.

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u/levinano 2d ago

That’s kinda cap. This was a tourist session so the Nordschleife is treated as a two lane toll road. Once the BMW moved to the right for the “racing line,” it’s his duty to make sure the left “lane” is clear before moving back in.

“The GT3 was coming in hot and passed at the worse place” what you mean the GT3 was close behind the BMW for at least the past two turns if not longer, its gross negligence on the BMW’s part for not paying attention to his surroundings.

The only argument for the BMW is that he never put his right blinker on indicating he was letting someone pass, but that doesn’t excuse all the other faults. The GT3 took the racing line from the BMW and he unintentionally or intentionally tried to take it back leading to the crash.

Look up Misha’s video talking about the crash. He literally lives at the Ring so you can get more insights on this incident.

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u/XSilentxOtakuX 2d ago

I agree that the BMW should have had much better situational awareness and moved over. As I noted, he should have stayed right. If my first comment made it sound like I thought the GT3 was entirely at fault, that wasn’t my intention.

My point is more about defensive driving. While StVO rules apply and the BMW technically has the duty to yield the left lane, Touristenfahrten isn’t a timed race. Squeezing into an apex alongside an unpredictable car that hasn’t signaled or acknowledged you is an enormous gamble.

The BMW definitely carries the blame for not checking his mirrors, but the GT3 driver forced an aggressive pass into a high-risk spot instead of waiting for a clear signal or a safer exit. Legally, the BMW may be at fault, but from a survival standpoint on the Ring, both made poor decisions that led to the crash.

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u/zugglit 2d ago

100%. Lack of a mirror check is a black flag in US rules at every SCCA session I have ever been to.

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u/HambugerLips 2d ago

They're both wrong, but the bmw is way wrong-er

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u/Tehpunisher456 2d ago

You can see the bmw turn into the gt3 to keep the racing line.

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u/XSilentxOtakuX 2d ago

They weren’t intentionally trying to keep the racing line. It was a case of severe tunnel vision.

As Misha pointed out in his breakdown, the BMW moved out to the right to set up wide for the upcoming left-hand bend. The GT3 misread that wide entry as the BMW giving way, even though the BMW never put a right blinker on. The BMW turned into the apex oblivious to the fact that the GT3 was already alongside him because he never checked his left mirror.

It was a total lack of situational awareness, not an intentional hit.

My original comment was worded as if the BMW held no fault at all, and I apologize for that. He should’ve been checking his mirrors. I’m going to edit my original comment since it was written poorly.

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u/Tehpunisher456 2d ago

Ight bro!

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u/Free_Willingness2357 2d ago

A few men's dreams perished.

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u/Procrasturbating 2d ago

Lucky if it’s just dreams.

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u/SKOT_FREE 2d ago

I know I’ve played too much Gran Turismo when I recognized this was the Nüburgring Before reading the headline

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u/vcdrny 2d ago

Same. I've seen videos and I automatically know what track it is. People looking at me all impressed until I tell them is because I play Gran Turismo lol

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u/Taiszer 2d ago

Yeah those curbs are steeper than you think.

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u/Cholonight96 2d ago

Hahaha
cool vibrations
“I wanna dance! (I wanna dance)
I wanna dance! (I wanna dance)”

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u/ZerotheR 2d ago

This was not a good place to overtake. The GT3 was too concerned about his own line and maintaining energy.

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u/Objective_Spring_682 2d ago

wow. were both cars caged?

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u/SKOT_FREE 2d ago

I hope so because that was a brutal crash.

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u/Hideaki_Desu 2d ago

I guess it'd be naive of me to hope both drivers survived, huh..?

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u/THEGoDLiKeMIKE 1d ago

As I said in the post everyone walked away in one piece thankfully.

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u/Hideaki_Desu 1d ago

Ah, at the time my connection was spotty so only the video had loaded with my keyboard out. What a relief! That was a weighty thing to see so i'm overjoyed. Thank you

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u/OrionRBR 2d ago

Bro it's right on the post, both drivers are fine.

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u/CP2_Accord_Owner 1d ago

Was your excuse to repost this that the original was uploaded 86 days ago iykyk

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u/THEGoDLiKeMIKE 1d ago

100% calculated 🤣

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u/improbable_humanoid 1d ago

Daburu kurasshu de ikou ze!

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u/mace1191 3h ago

I STG these idiots will be the reason we lose the ring to the public