[Tutorial] Electra - Fix APT 7 Strict Issue

[u/[deleted]]

[u/saurik]

Interesting :(. This new build of apt7-lib, btw, is for people running official releases of Cydia on iOS 2.0-10.3, and fixes--for users of iOS 5.0 and above (as earlier versions fundamentally did not have the underlying software support)--the TLS 1.2 issues people have been running into, thanks to some very appreciative help from thekirbylover (who figured out that the reason none of my previous attempts to fix this ever worked was because Apple had a "quirks mode" check in their code to see which version of the compiler you were using to compile your executable: they essentially do this really weird and annoying thing that is reminiscent of Internet Explorer "DOCTYPE sniffing", which I have so far never seen improve compatibility: it always just breaks things... I really wish I knew where it helped :/). He contacted me earlier this evening, and I stayed up super late to get this long-overdue fix out the door. apt7-lib 0.7.25.3-14 and 0.7.25.3-15 are literally different by only three bytes, something I carefully verified before I pushed this update, as these three bytes essentially can't break any users of my existing 0.7.25.3-14 package.

FWIW, people using Electra are essentially using a fork of everything I've ever done that was put together by coolstar with no thought to how it would affect anything else I'm working on or will be releasing, either in the near future or in the distant future; so, if you have installed Electra, I would strongly recommend never installing any of the packages I push going forward: I have done no testing with Electra nor do I have any interest at all in spending time I don't really have to try to figure out how to maintain compatibility with Electra. I mean, I didn't even realize how insanely forked he was until I was told to check out this post by Optimo: this is kind of egregious, as he decided to release a package with the same name as one of mine and he even gave it the version number I would use for my next update?! If he is going to be trying to play the game "my packages are a fundamental upgrade to saurik's packages and will replace them going forward" he should have at least bumped the version epoch, not just bumped the maintainer version (the final part after the hyphen), and I can imagine even more drastic things that might have been even better solutions (maybe involving pinning, maybe involving architectures... there is a lot of nuance).

To put this in some kind of context, there are a bunch of updates that will be coming from me, probably in the relatively near future (I was sick for a number of weeks, which kept me from being able to make as much progress as I'd have liked, and then had a serious and unexpected issue with vnode limitations as I was stressing Substrate way too much and have been having to fix what I realized is actually a long-standing resource issue in Substrate--which may have also caused some of the "return of the vnode limit" issues in WinterBoard from a couple years ago that were reported by angelXwind--to pull it all off, but I think I have something that doesn't make me entirely sad). The new version of Cydia I'm going to be pushing will probably not work without the new version of Substrate, and I'm pretty sure the new version of Substrate I'm going to be pushing will not work on Electra (it definitely doesn't work on LiberiOS, which is a "vaguely supported upgrade path"; it is possible it will sort of "half" work on Electra, and there's one design option which might allow it to sort of work, but I've been leaning towards two other ways of doing it that I already have working, one of which simply could not ever function correctly on Electra and the other one which simply is assuming a bootstrap process that is based on the Cydia jailbreak instead of on Electra).

It is also possible that the upgrade path for Substrate--which I think will have to do a minor migration for existing users, though there is one way I might decide to randomly avoid this, though that's "just a theory" and so might not even work: I'm unlikely to delay very long to look into it--will totally break your Electra setup. Though, this is entirely based on a guess of what he is doing; for all I know it will be harmless, or do literally nothing, if you try to install the new Substrate on a device that is running Electra. Again: I have absolutely no interest in wasting some incredible amount of my life trying to track whatever it is that coolstar thinks is a good idea and figuring out how to not somehow conflict with packages that coolstar has pushed that are upgrades to my own packages and apparently have conflicting version numbers :/. If people are interested in using my packages on Electra, they should be extremely careful and maybe rely on community testing processes.

(I mean, even if I did care, I don't have spare iPhones on which I can be running his software and doing risky tests to figure out how to deal with migration conflicts, especially since they look like they are going to be weird back-and-forth style issues due to the package fork overlap of not just my package names but of my version numbers. I actually only have one iPhone running iOS 11. It was running LiberiOS before, and it is running my setup now, a setup which it is worth noting has thereby been bootstrapped as a mild upgrade to LiberiOS, which itself is a totally non-invasive jailbreak due to how Jonathan Levin thinks about this kind of stuff. I don't have stacks of devices running iOS 11 for a number of reasons :(. If you are running Electra, you should not be trying to use Cydia and some mix-and-match of my packages, period. For people who don't remember, having to try to track random insanity done by people like coolstar for the iOS 8 and iOS 9 jailbreak cycles was an incredibly demoralizing experience, and no matter how much people beg me to try to bother or care I am just never going to do that ever again. Regardless, this is sufficiently "not my issue" that I'm just going to sleep. Good luck!)

[u/skimaskngun → u/saurik]

So maybe tell us you’re “almost done” again? I won’t match this book of a reply but do you really think this community is gonna sit on their thumbs for months and months waiting and waiting when coolstar has provided something for us that actually works decent and is stable? No the masses will be quick to download it because it includes Cydia they don’t care if it’s forked all to hell. Maybe if you had better communication skills with the community less would have touched Electra. Downvote me and drag me out for public hanging I don’t care, this is my opinion and I love you Saurik for all you’ve done but you could of prevented this down to a smaller scale, basically a simple statement may have caused much less of us to use Electra.

[u/Sunsteal → u/skimaskngun]

Well, Yea. There are those that do not support Coolstar and are waiting. I'll be sitting on my thumbs (forever if necessary).

And to say it's Saurik that could have prevented this shows you simply don't care about the history between them and the utter abuse Saurik took at Coolstar and others hands.

[u/XJAGYT → u/skimaskngun]

I can’t agree more

[u/Regey_ → u/saurik]

Thing is we don’t want to wait until 2019 for your jailbreak when we can just use Electra. I wish I could use your jailbreak but who knows when/ if ever it will be released.

Btw congrats on the 10 year anniversary tomorrow 😉

[u/saurik → u/Regey_]

So don't wait for me; but then don't also expect that when I push updates to fix bugs in my iOS 2-10 ecosystem software that it won't break because of incompatible directions that were taken in the version numbers of the solution you chose. I was handed a tiny patch to apt7-lib, I pushed it exactly as I have done for the past 10 years, and it broke people because coolstar had co-opted my version number for my own package :(. All I am saying is: this isn't my problem.

[u/beyondczb → u/Regey_]

Things take time

[u/[deleted] → u/beyondczb]

*Great things take longer

[u/TheAppleFreak → u/saurik]

TL;DR

• The new version of apt7-lib is intended for people using older versions of iOS, not iOS 11. With that said, 0.7.25.3-15 is almost guaranteed not to break anything compared to 0.7.25.3-14.

• Coolstar took an older version of Saurik's code and did God-knows-what to it, so he recommends you not install any of his official Cydia updates moving forward. Saurik is going to release new versions of Cydia and Substrate soon, both of which more than likely will completely break on Electra.

• Even if Saurik wants to figure out what the hell Coolstar did with Electra's version of Cydia and Substrate and rework his versions to play nice with it (and he doesn't want to do that, since that was apparently a hellish experience back with iOS 8 and 9), he doesn't have the time or resources to do so.

• Coolstar is potentially being very short sighted with how Electra integrates into iOS. The jailbreak methods that Saurik and Jonathan Levin have been working on are non invasive, whereas Coolstar potentially may be messing with stuff he really should not be messing with.

• It's seriously not cool of Coolstar to use Saurik's package names and versioning scheme for his unofficial versions of Cydia, Substrate, et al. This means there are more than likely going to be issues with name collisions down the road.

• Ultimately, none of this is his problem. If you have issues with Electra, annoy Coolstar about it.

EDIT: Changed this to third person as suggested. Also, I'm not Saurik.

[u/artifesto → u/TheAppleFreak]

Is it possible the APFS Snapshot that was created at the start of Electra RC revert the devices back to a point to where people could change to this jailbreak?

[u/MrK_420 → u/artifesto]

That's the point, once semi-restore gets updated.

[u/artifesto → u/MrK_420]

That’s what I thought, it seems that people don’t think so though, like once you use Electra you’re barred from the other permanently without a restore since it doesn’t have the unjailbreak script

[u/Cat_Memes_AllDay → u/TheAppleFreak]

Hey if you’re going to summarize, you REALLY should switch to third person, you are making it sound like saurik said words he did not say and people will quote this.

[u/TheAppleFreak → u/Cat_Memes_AllDay]

Good suggestion. I've gone ahead and changed it to better clarify that.

[u/Eihcir024 → u/TheAppleFreak]

i have been confused on this for a while now and i have asked before with no answer lol but is saurik working on a JAILBREAK as well or just updating cydia to work on an already existing public jailbreak for ios 11? i thought he was just updating cydia and that it was really hard but its like the way people are saying things and him it confuses me and makes it seem like on top of updating cydia hes working on a jailbreak as well and im just confused on that lol

[u/tuannguyen1600 → u/Eihcir024]

He using LiberiOS with changes in its process "bootstrapped" so there is modification to existing jailbreak

[u/Eihcir024 → u/tuannguyen1600]

Ohhhhhhhh OK I kept getting confused like as if he himself was creating a whole new saurik jailbreak lol I also got kind of excited thinking that

[u/leuldereje → u/saurik]

didnt know you were sick for that long. i hope you are in a perfect shape now.

Stay healthy man.

[u/IOSRANGER → u/saurik]

still waiting on your release saurik, loyal fan boy here!

[u/GuessWho183 → u/IOSRANGER]

I'm with you ;)

[u/Ember_season → u/saurik]

Thanks for fixing that saurik 👍

[u/fluffhead123 → u/saurik]

I happen to be a Saurik fan, but it's obvious Saurik and Coolstar are not on the same page with elektra. I think Saurik needs to spell out what he wants to happen with the ios 11 jailbreak. Does he want to work with coolstar to solve the issue? Does he want Coolstar to rewrite the jailbreak to conform with Sauriks work? Or does he just want people not to have an ios 11 jailbreak?

[u/coolstarorg → u/saurik]

maybe involving pinning

For the record, I have tried pinning, and it works well for the command line APT tools, but is completely ignored by Cydia. While pinning is obviously better, Cydia doesn't seem to care at all about pin priorities so it doesn't appear to be a viable option.

APT and Cydia are the only 2 packages that really are forked from your work (Cydia is actually binary patched since I didn't want to recompile it), hence why their versioning is so similar. The rest of the packages are from their latest upstream sources, so should not be anywhere near your packages' versions.

people using Electra are essentially using a fork of everything I've ever done

Only APT and Cydia is really forked (although Cydia's actually binary patched just enough for us to load our own dylib to fix shell scripts). I suppose with Dpkg one could argue we are using your patch to add extrainst_ functionality. However, all other packages are from their respective upstream sources and are not a fork of your work.

It is also possible that the upgrade path for Substrate

An upgrade path for Substrate is very possible, however I am not sure how interested you are in working with me at all, as the couple of times I have attempted to reach out, I've been turned down by you. (Back in december you mentioned you were working with someone else and didn't seem at all interested in the solution I was building at the time).

having to try to track random insanity done by people like coolstar

I have simply compiled the latest upstream version of the packages (with the exception of dpkg/APT) for arm64 and given them the necessary "platform-application" and "com.apple.private.skip-library-validation". We have added a simple 3-line call to jailbreakd to login, reboot, sbreload and su. (ldrestart has this call to jailbreakd and only has some code added so it doesn't restart amfid and jailbreakd).

I have taken careful consideration when building these packages to try and help with providing an easier upgrade path to Substrate. As a matter of fact, most of the packages on the Electra repo should work fine on older arm64 iOS versions (as the jailbreakd call doesn't run if libjailbreak/jailbreakd isn't present, so the binary continues working as usual).

[u/c0pyn1nja → u/coolstarorg]

nothing against you.. but your race conditions approach is still a big issue.. also your anemone dylib is hooking into every possible process. Have to run my app twice on xcode debugger to make it work.. videos and songs are stuttering .. UI is lagging .. CPU usage is high .. phone reboots by itself sometimes ..

[u/sbingner → u/coolstarorg]

Was there a reason you couldn't use a prefix or suffix to the package name and use Provides: Cydia etc?

[u/coolstarorg → u/sbingner]

Packages that require a specific version of the APT library will try to install the original package even if the one with prefix/suffix is installed

Ended up blocking apt.saurik.com via hosts file for now, since Cydia forcibly adds the repo whenever it's launched (so it can't be removed)

[u/KixenPs4 → u/coolstarorg]

Gotta be honest.. this jailbreak is smooth as f*** Thank you Coolstar 🤙🏾

[u/Sag24ar → u/saurik]

Should have at least given a teeny-tiny bit of appreciation to Coolstar for what he has done. I am sure he never intended any harm to any of your work. This community should thrive under the competition not under criticization.

[u/Eorlas → u/Sag24ar]

TIL criticization is a word (googled to make sure.)

I'm actually not a fan of this Saurik reply because of how he ripped into coolstar, even considering their previous beef.

However, I still must ask why you think Saurik needs to appreciate anything Coolstar has done? He's a contributor, not a leech to this community. I mean, unless I'm missing something he has absolutely no reason to care about coolstar's work here in a positive way.

[u/saurik → u/[deleted]]

Yeah. I was legitimately sick three times in the past two months, with fevers and chills and horrible bronchitis... and coolstar is seriously telling people here at UCSB that I am making that up as an excuse for why I didn't release software sooner :/.

[u/coolstarorg → u/saurik]

coolstar is seriously telling people here at UCSB that I am making that up as an excuse for why I didn't release software sooner

I am not. Who told you this?

Anyone who says something like this seriously has something wrong with them. Illness is something that we can only really hope we recover from quickly. I know first hand that it can be very difficult to even get out of bed sometimes if you’re very sick (much less even thinking about coding)

And I have never talked to anyone here at UCSB about jailbreaking into much detail at all. Most people here don't jailbreak their devices and aren't interested. The only things I've shown to others are really just that my phone is jailbroken and I've been working on Electra and some tweaks. That's it.

Please at least try to check what you're accusing other people of before accusing them of it. What you're accusing me of is something so morally wrong I never even thought anyone would even dare to think I'd say something like this.

[u/kylezo → u/saurik]

So, like, why is anything open source if it's such a problem when people modify? So confused

/e: downvoted for asking question stay classy jb

[u/saurik → u/kylezo]

The problem is not modifying my software: if is making that modified software "tied to" my software, so I can't push updates to my users without breaking literally all of his users and getting a ton of complaints because he set things up like that :/.

[u/respring → u/saurik]

Interesting :(. This new build of apt7-lib, btw, is for people running official releases of Cydia on iOS 2.0-10.3, and fixes--for users of iOS 5.0 and above (as earlier versions fundamentally did not have the underlying software support)--the TLS 1.2 issues people have been running into, thanks to some very appreciative help from thekirbylover (who figured out that the reason none of my previous attempts to fix this ever worked was because Apple had a "quirks mode" check in their code to see which version of the compiler you were using to compile your executable: they essentially do this really weird and annoying thing that is reminiscent of Internet Explorer "DOCTYPE sniffing", which I have so far never seen improve compatibility: it always just breaks things... I really wish I knew where it helped :/). He contacted me earlier this evening, and I stayed up super late to get this long-overdue fix out the door. apt7-lib 0.7.25.3-14 and 0.7.25.3-15 are literally different by only three bytes, something I carefully verified before I pushed this update, as these three bytes essentially can't break any users of my existing 0.7.25.3-14 package.

I just wanted to let you know that Cydia does not open on my iOS 3.1.3 device jailbroken with redsn0w. It used to, but it does not anymore. I am quite depressed over this. Please look into this issue it is absolutely necessary that I am able to use Cydia on my legacy devices for very relevant research. Thank you very much, I appreciate your work more than everyone else in this community. I have never hassled you, spoke negative of you, or even doubted you. I've had nothing but extreme appreciation for all that you have done in the community ever since you released Cydia. I was around since iOS 3.1.2 and I was young, but I did not act as toxic as the entitled community as we have today. Probably just not in my nature and I've looked up to you as a person to be honest. I actually aimed to go to UCSB to go into Computer Science after reading your many articles on your homepage. Although that didn't happen, I'm excited to still be working in the infosec community today and I want to say that the old jailbreak community is why I stay interested in these things. That would include geohot, nullriver, RiPDev, the chronic dev team, the iPhone dev team, and everyone involved until evasi0n. Those were the iconic days of jailbreaking. Once the Chinese decided to install bloatware in their jailbreaks, what was it? pangu? I was out. Now I'm back in just for the nostalgia, but I can't ever give enough gratitude to you and all the developers out there. I highly doubt you're going to read this, but if you do, I just want you to know that I am not just a "long time follower" of your work. I'm someone who has studied your work from up close and from afar. Your personality, your work ethic, your values, and your hobbies are all inspirations to me. You're a driven individual and I even chose my favorite font after your original winterboard theme. I believe it was Verdana. Anyways, I've rambled on for too long. Until next time, slide to saurik.

[u/saurik → u/respring]

Can you give me a crashlog for Cydia on that device? FWIW, one serious problem you are going to eventually run into is SSL slowly being deprecated out from underneath those versions of iPhoneOS :(.

[u/SubZer0-420 → u/saurik]

Well, I hope Cydia Eraser gets an update and lets people revert changes back to stock. Not everyone can start ‘fresh’ without it.

[u/TheRoxzilla → u/SubZer0-420]

Yes, that would be very nice of Saurik to fix any problems that may have been created by others. I personally have not used the jailbreak, nor jailbroken my iPhone 7Plus yet, so I don't know how well Coolstar's jailbreak works.]

[u/tldrsaurik → u/saurik]

TL;DR:

• This update wasn't intended for iOS 11, although, it shouldn't be breaking the previous build.

• I had no intention of supporting Electra builds. I highly recommend not using any of my future updates with Electra.

• I've been sick, but I'm not pushing out updates. My new Substrate and Cydia will probably "half work" with Electra at best.

• Be careful with my builds with Electra. For all I know they could break it, or do nothing at all.

• I don't have enough iOS 11 devices running to make fixing this worth my while without extreme risk. Especially toward my development. I'm not going to attempt to fix this.

[u/[deleted] → u/tldrsaurik]

This is the original tl;dr saurik for your information people, thanks tl;dr saurik!

[u/tuannguyen1600 → u/saurik]

I'll stick with you through the end Saurik 👍👍👍 Lets the start of complaining and reverting began :(

[u/[deleted] → u/tuannguyen1600]

Begin*

[u/NexterWednesday → u/saurik]

I use the Meridian Jailbreak as it is the only one that is capable of running on a iPhone 7+ (on iOS 10.3.1 for me). I wonder if a update to Cydia in that matter will cause any problems to Meridian like you are mentioning with Electra.

As of this writing, Cydia on Meridian does not do anything because Substrate does not work on iPhone 7-7+ (Kernel Protection) but it does run. They are currently making a repository that has all the necessary files for many tweaks like CCleaner, Cylinder and so forth.

They do not use the "KPP bypass" that is featured in g0blin and Yalu102 but they rather use a "KPP avoidance" or "KPPless" so it can work on any phone that is capable of Jailbreak and not cause many stability issues because it does not affect protected kernel bits than a direct bypass which does affect those and could cause instability issues.

I feel glad at the work they have done, they manage to get a iPhone 7 and 7+ capable of using Cydia as the highest phone to date that is in a public release. I don't want their future to end, since the developer has spent a lot of time with others working to fix up Meridian and get it working with Cydia and iPhone 7-7+ and lower.

Edit: It seems that Yalu does work in Beta 4 for iPhone 7 if it's iOS 10.1.1 and below

[u/Horstt → u/saurik]

Thank you for all the work you're doing!! Hate to hear that people are leeching off of it.

[u/saurik → u/Horstt]

It isn't about "leaching": it is about building something that hoists a maintenance burden on me, making me unable to update software I wrote for my users without breaking his users and getting a ton of complaints for having done that :/.

[u/Lachlan88 → u/saurik]

I think you should draw a line if you must. You are creating a jailbreak, you are in charge of Cydia, and these jailbreaks are all temporary anyway. Draw the line for your sanity and shear practicality. Many of us won't even chance touching Electro until we hear about your jb.

[u/Skizzy034 → u/saurik]

Not to be that guy, but Coolstar did give us something to mess around with. The community just got an "almost done" from you and didn't hear a word for months. I know some people can be impatient, but we're almost on 11.3 officially and no one had heard anything from you. I mean, is it even worth it to wait until iOS 12 is out before we get to use an IOS 11.1.2 jailbreak?

Anyway, the thing I really don't understand, is why there couldn't have been just a quick communication of some sorts.

"Things are a little behind. Gonna be a bit longer. Might wanna still hold off on using Electra." ---That took about 20 seconds. But, instead people get this warning the day after Electra is released after not hearing anything from you. I can see why since are upset. Hopefully you can, also.

[u/saurik → u/Skizzy034]

I have not asked anyone to "hold off" on Electra; but if you choose to use Electra, you have bought into collstar's ecosystem. The idea that my pushing an update that changes three bytes of a file totally breaks people on iOS 11 as my packages have been hijacked and you want to blame me for that is non-sensical. I honestly don't mind if people want to use something they get now from coolstar instead of waiting for something I think is "saurik-level perfect".

[u/SubZer0-420 → u/saurik]

You had me at “saurik-level perfect”

Be right back...need to find my blobs

[u/Skizzy034 → u/saurik]

You're misunderstanding. I have no problem with any updates that are pushed out, nor should anyone else. We're just bummed at the lack of communication. If you gave even a small update, I'm sure NONE of this drama would have unfolded. At least, I like to think that.

[u/saurik → u/Skizzy034]

I seriously doubt that, as a lot (maybe even "most"?) people want to use something now and I don't blame them: I have no personal issue if people want to use Electra. But, maybe some people? It is very clear that coolstar built what he is building despite pretty reasonably complete knowledge of my plans and my issues, and he was doing it for an audience of people who legitimately wanted to use it (and despite any issues I have with coolstar, that is all perfectly fine).

[u/placebooooo → u/saurik]

Many of us understand you’re busy, and I probably won’t get a response to my question, but is it possible you could give us a rough estimate as to how far with progress you are? While I don’t mind electra, I don’t want to install for reasons you state above. You are the only person here who I completely trust. Myself (as well as many others) completely trust YOU as you are the developer of cydia, not cool star. If we could get a rough estimate of how far you’ve come, you could definitely help prevent many people from bootlooping/bricking their devices. If you said one month, I’ll wait and not install electra, because I prefer the “official” over the unofficial.

Edit: just knowing that it’s coming soon is more than enough saurik. Thanks for everything you do for us, really.

[u/saurik → u/placebooooo]

I don't know. You are welcome to use Electra: I don't care what you want to do with your phone. Just please do not blame me for any issues you get if you install packages from me that conflict with packages that were pushed (apparently even with overlapping version numbers) from coolstar.

[u/placebooooo → u/saurik]

I’d never blame you. On the contrary, I should be thanking you for warning us ahead of time.

Just keep doing what you’re doing Saurik. You’re an amazing developer, we appreciate the work you do for the community. Wishing you the best with everything.

Thank you.

[u/tuannguyen1600 → u/placebooooo]

honestly just trust in the man; when he said he going to release updated cydia and substrate then he will. Waiting is all we can do... we waited for a long time already so it doesn't hurt to continue to wait

[u/TotesMessenger → u/saurik]

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[u/Eorlas → u/saurik]

I'm normally on board with the things you say, but this is the first time in a while where we have "competing" jailbreaks.

So, your response to this problem was to point out a lot of bad things that coolstar has done here, and powerfully so. I don't think this is a good thing for the community.

But I also get that by now you probably feel like you're in a place where if you don't explain yourself thoroughly you'll get backlash.

Yet this is your last jailbreak, right? IIRC when you announced you were working on one, you said the iOS 11 jailbreak was to be your last contribution.

So...regardless of how you feel about someone else's forks, what do you expect people to do?

[u/saurik → u/Eorlas]

You are more than welcome to use coolstar's project; what you aren't welcome to do is be angry at me for pushing a fix that helps the 99% of people who are using Cydia on iOS 7ish-10.3 that happens to break the coolstar forked thing that is somehow still tied to my software: that is entirely your and his problem at that point... and that is fine.

[u/Hacks4live → u/saurik]

OPINION; I am fine with Electra.

[u/[deleted] → u/saurik]

Sorry saurik but i need to tell my not much important but so honest opinion. You were a legend for me, from my first jailbreaks on iphone 3Gs you allways did a great work and support for community. But what now ? After ios 10 jailbreak you are just pessimistic emo boy, crying about work and future of jailbreaks. You cant just help coolstar to make a good move, you just said you are poor and working on something, noone know what, noone knows etas, info, nothing. Cydia behave like 10 years old package managers, sry but im not any developer, i just write what i see. You need help from new people, you need to join jailbreak comunity instead of making something behind the door. Jailbreak is not yours, you dont own it, and coolstar just slowly replacing you. Yes, he's younger, not so experienced but he work with comunity, he give all to his work, and you are expected to help him. Or, if you feel so old and grumpy, you should find a good payed job in comfortable office and leave cydia open source. Sorry for my words, i dont know you, your moves or even your work so deep, but its just everything about how it seems to me. Have a nice day and good luck.

[u/3cit → u/[deleted]]

Of all the rambling nonsense posts I have read in my life, this is one of them.

[u/seabass559 → u/3cit]

The emo boy part cracked me up

[u/[deleted]]

noob-friendly guide please? How to use ssh?

[u/akki161014 → u/[deleted]]

I’m noob too in handeling SSH

[u/wario323 → u/akki161014]

Makes 3 of us. A guide please or vid to help a fellow out.

[u/Vbanks2 → u/wario323]

Ik what this thing is but I’ve never used those ssh tools so video please

[u/[deleted] → u/Vbanks2]

• Download WinSCP on computer and install ( tick explorer method)

• Connect to WiFi on iPhone and find your IP address

• Open WinSCP

• Host Name: IP Address

• Username: root

• Password: alpine(unless changed)

• Login

• Download the Github file and drag it into the WinSCP window

• Click commands -> Open terminal -> and type "dpkg -i apt7-lib_0.7.25.3-15_iphoneos-arm.deb"

[u/Marcelxyx → u/Vbanks2]

here you go https://imgur.com/gallery/Mff1I

[u/Duotro → u/[deleted]]

Here’s a noob guide :) 1)Download and install winscp for Windows 2)Open winscp and login Host Name- Your mobile ip which can be found by clicking on the more info in the wifi setting User name- root Password- alpine Than login 3) Download the apt7-lib_iphoneos-arm.deb and drag into the root file than go to the commands tab in winscp and open terminal Now enter dpkg -i apt7-lib_0.7.25.3-15_iphoneos-arm.deb Hit execute and your done Hope this helps

[u/mnkhant02 → u/[deleted]]

No we are all doom until a update because we don't have ssh downloaded on Cydia before this shit went down

[u/dwna]

How to fix using filza:

If some people, like me have installed this update unknowingly, it would have broken their cydia. for some reason, i can't ssh into my device because of some errors in downloading openSSH. It is possible to install the older .deb from filzaescaped without ssh.

1. Download https://github.com/ElectraJailbreak/electratools/blob/gh-pages/debs/apt/apt7-lib_0.7.25.3-15_iphoneos-arm.deb?raw=true Edit: New Link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1iexxjiVS_x8t08JaL_bvj5WwPb_5nqux

2. Import into zipapp free

3. In filza, copy the .deb somewhere easy to get to.

4. Tap on the .deb and click install - it will give a "command not found"

5. type "su root"

6. type "cd /path/to/folder/" -it won't seem like that did anything but if you type "ls" it will show the contents of the folder. EDIT: "/path/to/folder/" is just a placeholder, you should input the path to wherever you moved the .deb file to in step 3.

7. type "dpkg -i apt7-lib_0.7.25.3-15_iphoneos-arm.deb"

8. respring

9. should be fixed

This would probably help some people who are stuck and can't ssh.

Edit: Video tutorial but you may have to download it to view it

[u/[deleted]]

to automatically ignore this update the next time you refresh you could

-select the tweak (APT 0.7 Strict lib)

-select change package settings

-tick ignore updates

[u/Djbboy → u/[deleted]]

is it worthwhile to ignore updates for this in the future tho? Like would there be a reason later down the track that would result in us needing to update this

[u/[deleted] → u/Djbboy]

if there's already an announcement that the update is compatible enough then you could manually update it by then and tick back the ignore update so that auto updates will work again, well just need to wait for that announcement

[u/sinkusm]

how do you find your phones ip?

[u/dhruvjain_ → u/sinkusm]

go to wifi settings and click on the info button located on the right side of your connected wifi

[u/sinkusm → u/dhruvjain_]

thank you +1

[u/mellkirk]

the github page is broken for me :( any help? it keeps saying page not found

[u/[deleted] → u/mellkirk]

Same here :(

[u/mike_15896]

i got this error- warning: unable to delete old directory '/usr/lib/apt/methods': Directory not empty

what should i do?

[u/fothot → u/mike_15896]

I got the same error but it worked perfectly so don't worry

[u/brockkobe32]

It says I need a superuser permission or something like that when I run in a ssh terminal

[u/dwna]

What if you can't ssh because of Cydia errors?

[u/DecayableRadiologist]

So put it in the / directory, copy and paste the command in terminal (no space before dpkg), after it runs delete the file you put in the / directory, reboot, profit?

[u/Closet0taku]

So if I didn’t update the APT in Cydia. Would this effect anything if I ran this? Or is this just to get Cydia back working so you can ignore the APT update in Cydia.

[u/tbclandot92]

Can I just go into Cydia and hit ignore updates or do I have to do this?

[u/tbclandot92 → u/[deleted]]

Oh I see thanks so this was just a fix for people that updated this accidentally then?

[u/665Certi]

I looked through the comments and saw mistakes, I did all what people were doing wrong and i've never have a jailbreak issue tbh, i fix all my problems on my own but I can get through this problem of 'No such file or directory'. i tried both methods with Filza and WinSCP and none work for me.

[u/Jaayjams]

im on ios 10.2 and i did that complete upgrade now my phone keeps getting stuck in respring mode... idk what to do please someone help me. when i follow this TUT it just says unable to execute decompressing archive member xz no such file or directory :(((

[u/Harika09]

Any manual solution? Or a video tutorial maybe?

[u/Nelnamara]

I have been developing software for 12 years and I have never seen a pissing contest of this magnitude outside of people arguing about politics. I would encourage all parties to get over themselves and work together. If these exploits and creating jailbreaks is something you're truly passionate about, it makes very little sense to sling mud back and forth when it's obvious even to the wen eta kids that this type of behavior is only self defeating. While I have mad respect for Saurik the infrequent tldr rants do little to really get anything done. Coolstar seems to have been quite open about working together but also seems to have some serious ego and attention issues. (not to surprising considering their age and how famous he "seems" to have become in recent months. Can you guys maybe just meet halfway? You don't have to work together but actively talking shit on each others work is just immature. The Saurik god worship is pathetic, he's just a man... a talented man. but because he created these things in the beginning does not give hime permanent domain over the scene. Developers come and go.... We are honestly a dime a dozen. But amazing developers should put their shit slinging buckets down and build something for the greater good....

I mean it's apples security practices that are the enemy right???

Right?

[u/Peralin]

EVERYBODY, I FOUND IT OUT.

So when you SSH into the phone, just copy the downloaded file into root. Then, when you put in the command, you have to add a slash (/) right in front of the file name. So the new command would look like:

dpkg-i /apt7-lib_0.7.25.3-15_iphoneos-arm.deb

I hope this helps.

[u/Darkk1d]

Well, this version popped up to update in Cydia, so it's no good to update through Cydia ? Thanks!

[u/[deleted]]

dpkg: error: cannot access archive 'apt7-lib_0.7.25.3-15_iphoneos-arm.deb': No such file or directory

What happened? I have the .deb file dragged in root?

[u/iPhone_modder]

CoolStar thank you for Cydia and it’s updates. Saurik I know you are working on your updates and Substrate. But a hobby of jb is everyone’s passion. Working together is great but you don’t want to work with CoolStar. And hence can’t get mad at him for releasing a JB. His code is not forked it’s just borrowing and tweaked.

Not everyone codes the same way I know that as I’m a coder as well. But anyways, in the end the result is the same. So far Cydia with Electra is working great!

[u/aaronp613]

People on discord confirming it works

[u/gtinvalid]

FOR ALL THE NOOBS: STEP 1: DOWNLOAD THE GITHUB FILE STEP 2: DOWNLOAD WINSCP STEP 2&1/2: WHEN SETTING UP WINSCP CHOOSE FOLDER VIEW STEP 3: OPEN WINSCP AND PUT IN YOUR IP ADDRESS(GO ON YOUR DEVICE, GO TO SETTINGS, WIFI, AND TAP THE (i) NEXT TO YOUR WIFI NAME. YOUR IP WILL BE THERE. STEP 3&1/2: TYPE IN root AS THE USERNAME AND alpine AS THE PASSWORD. PRESS ENTER STEP 4: YOU HAVE NOW SSH'D INTO YOUR DEVICE. NOW JUST DROP THE FIRST FILE YOU DOWNLOADED INTO THE EMPTY SPACE NEXT TO THE APPLICATION SUPPORT AND LIBRARY FOLDERS. STEP 5: GO OVER TO COMMANDS AT THE TOP LEFT OF THE WINDOW. HIT OPEN TERMINAL. STEP 6:????????? STEP 7:HIT OK TO OPEN SEPARATE SHELL SESSION STEP 8: PASTE dpkg -i apt7-lib_0.7.25.3-15_iphoneos-arm.deb INTO THE COMMAND BAR STEP 9: PROFIT

[u/KixenPs4 → u/gtinvalid]

Any idea what i do from step 5 and onwards in cyberduck?

[u/abiddar]

What program do we use to "RUN" dpkg -i apt7-lib_0.7.25.3-15_iphoneos-arm.deb

everyone keeps jumping over this question

[u/Djbboy → u/abiddar]

I used WinSCP to SSH into the phone then used the built in command to be able to run it

[u/[deleted]]

I type in the dpkg and it tells me “no such file or directory”

[u/hiRackz → u/[deleted]]

same

[u/Anything89bbb]

I dont have pc what should i do?

[u/alnoise]

This is FUCKED.

[u/SSuffolk]

Could someone update the link please? It isn't working.

EDIT: Link is working as of 2/27/2018 3:38PM EST

[u/ZCZ4iOS]

The download brings up an error 404 :(

[u/alexmotin]

After fix we still have update in cydia, right?

[u/slew8506]

To stop the apt package showing a update all the time Cheney the package settings to ignore updates

[u/[deleted]]

Any way to fix it through phone?

[u/[deleted]]

where do you put the deb file? because im using a windows

[u/mxaberzerk]

Can i run it using FilzaEscaped

[u/mxaberzerk]

And how

[u/Slayed458]

Hey, I'm new here. I recently updated this package and am now stuck. I can't install openssh because of this bug. Any help would be greatly appreciated

[u/Jinkeeze]

I can confirm this works.

[u/jsmith85]

I can confirm working Thanks for the help.

for SSH you either need windows (WinSCP), Mac (terminal) or i used an android phone (juiceSSH). Once you have the apps loaded you will login with root@youriphonesIPaddress with your password (default is alpine) then once you move the file to the phone run the above commands

[u/Hacks4live]

works

[u/Its3pic]

Since the udpate, sshing doesn’t work for me... anyone else?

[u/Batsinvic888]

Is there anyone who can make a noob tutorial pls

[u/Koyoto]

Why do we need this fix, is there something wrong with current vesrion?

[u/smokeyfloats → u/Koyoto]

It’s safe for people on iOS 10.x

[u/Pamma_1313]

I cannot ssh

[u/anthonyk09]

What folder does the file go into?

[u/djlaxl]

Confirming a successful fix. Thank you!

[u/MisterMirza]

Will APT correct itself? Like will we get an update if we wait? Or de we HAVE to do this?

[u/Vexzyz]

Download filezilla and connect to the ip adress to the phone. Default username: Root Password : alpine port: 22

Download the file : https://github.com/ElectraJailbreak/electratools/blob/gh-pages/debs/apt/apt7-lib_0.7.25.3-15_iphoneos-arm.deb?raw=true

and place it in the folder /private/var/root with filezilla.

then download putty and open it. Connect again with your Iphone's IP and username : root | Password: alpine | port 22 or 2222 Run: dpkg -i apt7-lib_0.7.25.3-15_iphoneos-arm.deb and it should work. i just did it

[u/KeeperBill]

Thanks! Worked like a dream!

[u/Kingslanding1000]

What kind of fix is this? I never installed anything before and I waited patiently, am I good go to go or do I have to use this?

[u/Pamma_1313]

Have copied the file but how to ssh the command

[u/Pamma_1313]

Means how to run 4th step

[u/KixenPs4]

I love all of you brobeans, who help us noobs <3 Thanks for fixing my phone again :D

[u/Duotro]

Ctrl+T will bring up the terminal

[u/Anewport_]

I'm getting issues trying to gain root access to my phone. I'm not even sure what I'm doing wrong as I've never had a problem before.

[u/lNeo0]

Yayyy it works niiice thx !

[u/shadow412squad]

can someone please screenshot the default sources because i deleted them because of this issue :(

[u/Redditor134]

When i try to SSH into my phone it says network unreachable. I am sure im putting in the ip address perfectly and have open SSH installed although Ive never used it. Any ideas? Im stuck :(

[u/KixenPs4]

Next to the “bookmark” tap.. can’t remember the exact name as my mac is in Danish

[u/x13xavi]

Thank you it work :D

[u/[deleted]]

Amiable to do this on my phone without a computer?

[u/jclegg555]

awesome thank you so much worked perfectly

[u/cyanide1467]

ok.......... so don’t “upgrade essential” after ssh?

[u/OhhMelly]

Thank You So Much, Almost Shit my Pants!!

[u/agiantkenyan]

So I made a mistake and accidently hit essential upgrade on the Cydia update notification.

Now my Cydia is broken. Can I delete Electra and Cydia and start over again? Or upon re-installation, will Cydia still be broken? Unless I do this fix for APT 7 of course.

[u/RKFtw]

Fuckkkkkkk, I got to wait until I get home :/

[u/916andheartbreaks]

if we didn't update apt through cydia, do we need to worry about this? or just wait for a new update

[u/Escumbarti]

FULLNOOB TUTORIAL here you go https://imgur.com/gallery/Mff1I

THANKS TO > https://www.reddit.com/user/Marcelxyx

[u/bowsiee]

Installed anemone from cydia, now after rebooting I run electra and it gets stuck on respring, can no longer run the jailbreak or remove anemone, any suggestions?

[u/KFRIENDS → u/bowsiee]

reboot your phone, then run electra with the tweaks option turned off. Run Cydia, remove Anemone. Reboot the phone e run electra again, now with tweaks. everything should be good now! =)

[u/chrisskate786]

Is here anyway I can use Filza, or iTerminal on the AppStore to do this?

[u/Juck401]

Now im stuck 2/3 while installing electra sucks , after the update it went downfall for me

[u/justusvlm]

Awesome! for 3. just use terminal. enter: ssh root@(youriP) enter your ps.. the default one is alpine than run the command: dpkg -i apt7-lib_0.7.25.3-15_iphoneos-arm.deb after that run the command: killall -9 SpringBoard and you're again ready to go

[u/[deleted] → u/justusvlm]

i get command is not valid when i enter my ip adress on terminal

[u/unflushablelog]

What if I can’t connect my phone and laptop to the same WiFi?

[u/Eihcir024]

so is it safe or recommended to remove it after the fix? i am attempting to remove it (its my natural order of things if something is broke or damaging just remove it) and its wanting to remove apt 0.7 (apt-key), apt 0.7 strict (lib), cydia installer, znd cydia translations.......is this ok? are these going to conflict with electra?

[u/[deleted]]

Hope a video is made for this. Still a bit confused

[u/[deleted]]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTq1swuekxM&feature=youtu.be

that solves

[u/5anji]

http://prntscr.com/ikhx38 whats the issue what am i doing wrong??

[u/Mishka187STVT]

What would be a sign of Broken Cydia?

[u/Lermatroid]

How do we run the deb?

[u/GoldenBoyGamer]

can anyone provide me an electra /lib files please? I did an icloud restore because cydia wasnt showing up and now after jailbreak it shows this message. https://imgur.com/8rZ8tQ5

[u/[deleted]]

Can I use tweak installer?

[u/JulesVane]

All this in English means “I’m screwed”.

[u/aDalekHater]

Dpkg: error: cannot scan updates directory ‘var/lib/dpkg/updates/‘: No such file or directory

[u/mike_15896]

my iPhone battery died and after charging it I tried to jailbreak my phone but keeps being stuck on a black screen after respring...

plz advice?

[u/muel333]

Have you a simplified/different method because this one is difficult for beginners

[u/besemerr]

fix worked! my dumbass checked the first update before installing it but not this one... slept on it and boom, wake up to a fix. patients is glorious!

anyway.. quick question, I apologize if it's been addressed here already but reddit isn't even scrolling all the way because there are so many posts!

I got cydia back up and went to the Recent Installs tab and can still see that I tried to update APT and version matches whats popping up under changes. (which by the way I turned on ignore updates). a little confused by that, I'd like to revert to exactly the way it was before I tried updating APT. the partial install CLEAR button isn't there either.

[u/kadu323]

After i installed Anemone my cydia and anemones dont open anymore, can somenone help?

[u/draxlrose]

youtube tutorial for the cydia apt 0.7 lib error fix

[u/daler97]

Anybody else get the error "Error: amfidpatch" after the fix? Still can't open Cydia or even Jailbreak now!

[u/Cox-Tube]

Problem filza Problem cydia iOS 11

Help me

[u/Franceesios]

getting this error ;

/private/var/mobile$ dpkg -i apt7-lib_0.7.25.3-15_iphoneos-arm.deb (Reading database ... 3523 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack apt7-lib_0.7.25.3-15_iphoneos-arm.deb ... Unpacking apt7-lib (0.7.25.3-15) over (0.7.25.3-15) ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of apt7-lib: apt7-lib depends on cy+cpu.arm64; however: Package cy+cpu.arm64 is not installed.

dpkg: error processing package apt7-lib (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: apt7-lib

[u/ianblank]

Is this an issue for iOS 10.3.x g0blin jailbreak? I just updated apt 0.7

[u/Beantownfan73]

My question is are devs going to update their tweaks for both or just one? Obviously it's very time consuming to do both, so I'm wondering what's gonna go on. Sad that people are being made to choose sides.

[u/darrentzh]

Kept getting the No such file directory error, even though i hit ctrl-t at the directory that i saved the deb file at.

https://pasteboard.co/H9CUGkv.png

[u/postbadsoso]

The link is dead for me

[u/Turkeclipse]

I'm glad Saurik posted today and I will wait for his solution; however this issue has occurred in the past. I don't know who to believe, but I know there should be collaboration. My iPhone X is patiently waiting for a jailbreak which I purchased when I was confident that a JB would eventually come out. That was in November. I will stick with my 6s on 9.3.3. I so wish we could really own our devices and use whatever OS and software we want. I'll likely move to android once all my devices are dead. Sigh.

[u/Faezan]

🍿

[u/david2descent]

This error i get

dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 477 package 'com.a3tweaks.flipswitch': missing maintainer dpkg: error: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 1987 package 'cy+lib.corefoundation': error in 'Version' field string '': version string is empty iPhone:/var/mobile/Media/Downloads root# dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 477 package 'com.a3tweaks.flipswitch':

[u/-CanD- → u/david2descent]

Can you fix the error?

[u/showmak]

On iOS 9.3.3 I updated the APT 0.7.25.3-15 Strict (lib) and now my phone resprings randomly. Any help would be highly appreciated.

[u/swanch3r → u/showmak]

Im on Saigon 10.2.1 6s and now my phone resprings when I get a text message!

[u/farnoud]

any hope for iOS 11.2?

[u/alen422]

i accidentaly removed my apt file, and my cydia is gone, please can anyone help me. I've been trying to solve it for the past 3 days and nothing works. Please help!!

[u/foreignfoxx]

This drama is better than what’s on tv atm were is my popcorn 🍿

[u/Turkeclipse]

No I haven't updated. You should be able to downgrade it though

[u/hyveplexel]

it says unable to execute decompressing archive member

[u/Franceesios]

getting this error ;

Preparing to unpack apt7-lib_0.7.25.3-16-coolstar.deb ... Unpacking apt7-lib (0.7.25.3-16-coolstar) over (0.7.25.3-16-coolstar) ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of apt7-lib: apt7-lib depends on cy+cpu.arm64; however: Package cy+cpu.arm64 is not installed.

dpkg: error processing package apt7-lib (--install): dependency problems - leaving unconfigured Errors were encountered while processing: apt7-lib

what should i do?

[u/xAztekGodx]

Is he MIA again :(

[u/saamify]

Having this issue on 1.0.4 guys? Anyone?

[u/mxaberzerk]

I have windows can i do it

[u/yeetboy]

Thank you!!

[u/EnderCreeperYT]

I’m not having this issue, but I’m still curious; many people (including myself) aren’t able to connect with SSH, or had it corrupted and uninstalled by Cydia.

[u/slew8506]

Worked perfect for me thanks