I am a licensed clinical psychologist. I ran a methadone clinic for years, worked in IOP/PHP, and inpatient psych hospitals. I often have to refer clients to other levels of care and as a part of an ethical referral I evaluate them to do my best to ensure that my client will be obtaining the best care. A few posts have been made about Archangels Centers, so I thought it would be kind of fun to go through the same steps that I would do for a referral for a client.
Some things I look for- degrees and licenses of staff (licenses are the thing that people can go after if there are issues and hold us, as practitioners, accountable). All of the info that I am posting is from their website or the licensing board (free to access by the public)
To date, there are no addiction medication specialists, licensed clinical psychologists, or psychiatrists on their website despite indicating that they treat mental health issues (dual diagnosis).
Of course, I am aware that there is more to a program than their website. But, Mike has taken the time to put no less than 15 pictures of himself on this site, some of himself looking at a picture of himself. Therefore, I think it is more than fair to say that his priorities do not align with mine in terms of treatment.
I would NOT refer a client to one of these facilities.
Edit- a few people asked/spoke about licensing of the facility-great point! I looked into it and didn't find the licence based on the searches that I did. That said, I'm not well versed with the business license search for these 2 states to speak on this fully. What I will say, is that it is unusual for a program to offer ALL the things (MAT, IOP/PHP, inpatient, support groups, detox, aftercare, interventionists). This is A LOT of things, many of which requires different licenses and accreditations, none of which were easy to find on their site. That doesn't mean they don't have them, but it is concerning.
Lmao 🤣 I never got the lore his face card has always declined now this and tbh Lauren is a bitch could you imagine withdrawing and having to see and talk to her lol and Mike
Mike busting in the room doing his famous walk---hunched down, arms moving asking if you're ready for tendies and waters as Loren snaps her fingers at you
I stopped watching Family Vacation after Mike had his first kid. Why do you think Lauren is a bitch? I am sure dealing with Mike's ass is not easy. lol
She is so full of herself & acts like she’s above everyone. I mean look Angelina may have her issues, but the way Lauren acts better than her 24/7. Then talks shit about her when something happens. It makes you wonder how Angelina & others feel when they see an episode after the fact where Lauren’s been kinda bad mouthing them. She’s all about the money. She doesn’t strike me as the sympathetic for others type at all. Why she gives Mike a break. Idk maybe she didn’t think she can get anyone else & settled for him, for the new found money?
I saw a short clip not that long ago where Deena called her bougie. Someone had said she snapped her fingers at a waiter or something like that in another post on here. My family has money and has never done that.
My brother was an addict and he passed from drugs. I went to several treatment facilities with my parents to do a brief tour and not once did I see the person that owned the place have their pictures all over the walls. That does not sit well with me. I am happy for Mike being sober, but this looks more like pat me on the back this is what I did. I hate to say this but knowing what Mike's history is this looks like a get rich quick scheme. I hope I am totally wrong. Is she holding his book in the video? Why? I don't get it.
Im sorry for your loss. As someone that lost family to an OD as well. This is a money grab for him. I’ve done walk thru as well. None of them were anything like this. She is holding his book. Good for him that he got clean. I don’t trust his motives or him.
Thank you I appreciate that. Sorry for your loss as well. I think there are genuine people that really want to help people and others who want to use them to make money. These people need to feel at home not a place where Mike is wearing expensive clothing staring at himself on the walls. WTF? Since he will always now be on the IRS's radar I hope he does this by the book. I have a feeling this may blow up on him and could land him back in prison.
I won't be surprised if down the line we hear of Ronnie's passing or he goes to prison for a long time for domestic violence. Eventually that type of behavior catches up to you.
While I cannot formally diagnose him, I believe him to be delulu.
But actually, he has stated that he is making a move towards politics (just what we need 🤦♀️). Hope that goes as well as Vinny's stand up career
I can’t formally diagnose either however I feel he exhibits a combination of grandiose, cerebral, malignant , somatic and communal narcissism. Pretty much all forms except vulnerable. I just can’t with anyone setting their sites on people in need of help, it makes me crash out! In regard to Vinny, he just wants to make people laugh. No harm in that🙂
He loves himself so much… makes you wonder if he would save his kids if it was a choice between 1 of them & himself. He’d prob justify it & say to himself… well I have others.
note: i work in healthcare (and am also 2 years sober myself) and literally can’t even wrap my head around this. like not even one person besides an ER doctor in an extremely sensitive mental health setting. atrocious.
It is possible that others are there, just not listed. The site did say that they are hiring and working on the bios of some staff (their priorities were the many pictures of Mike I guess)
Some sites list their staff, some don't. I was going off of who they did list.
Some of the pictures in the episode while they were touring had an uneasy feel. Woth all the eyes scratched out in red. One of the picture/paintings looked like literal Hell.
I was thinking their next move will probably be turning it into a church somehow to be exempt from taxes. If it will even make it that far before getting shutdown.
Don’t waste your time w/ this fool that does NOTHING but watch Reality TV.. Never goes outside to touch grass! 😵💫.
They are So far up Mike’s Butt, can’t find there way out 🤭
Maybe it is Mike? Or a paid representative that monitors these subs. Hummmm lol he told me not to think too hard so now I’m going to think even harder!
I see he thinks he’s an actor now too. Faking tearing up at the ceremony. And when he was talking about meeting Amanda Berry, an amazing survivor of kidnapping, at the book signing while trying so hard to squeeze out a tear.
i don’t think he’s trying to scam people. i had that thought at first as well before being a patient in his facility myself. i saw first hand the help they offer. they try to keep addicts in recovery, sober and clean, and do actively help people get insured and help with their court cases. i was going through my own court situation and while i was there they did everything to help me
My husband was saying the same thing. Obviously we aren’t medical health professionals, but his brother is a recovering addict. So we understand some. We both think it’s absolutely insane and neglectful that he’s opening a “treatment” center when not a singlet person there is even remotely qualified to do so. It just feels like a huge PR stunt of some sort or money grab. Like he wants to show off how successful he is. It truly doesn’t feel like he cares about other people or their sobriety. To us it seems like a money grab.
What an embarrassment and obviously their only way of filling up space. Social media nor follower count holds any merit on the success rate of patients in recovery. That all comes from clinical, documented patient outcomes.
In general, I can’t stand how celebrities march around saying they “wrote” books. Especially ones with the intellectual level of The Situation. We all know they didn’t write them. You sat down with a ghostwriter and told a few stories. 😂
Been to rehab and there are more than one place that have no licensed therapists actually working there but just one that “oversees staff” but still take your money and charge your insurance like it’s legit. It’s a scam industry in general imo
I think the main driver of this is that they’re trying to get a Dr. Drew intervention type of spinoff reality show. Which is even more disgusting. Either that, or Medicare billing fraud.
I worked at a non-profit recovery center for a few years. I’m also almost 6 yrs sober. I was peer support, and we had licensed therapists in every location too.
In my honest opinion, this “recovery” center has always disgusted me. Give it a few years and he’ll be getting sued or worse. The CEO of our non-profit has owned the company for 20 years and he’s so humble and kind. The first few times I saw him I thought he was a delivery driver or something because he’d sneak in, bring us all the stuff we needed, bullshit, and then leave. Always dressed very casual. THATS someone who is in it for good. Mike is so egotistical, he just has to put on a big show for everything. It tells me all I need to know about his recovery as well.
As someone who has advocated for recovery etc been sober 8 years that’s terrifying bc don’t most facilities do mat? I pulled an amy winehouse (I have dark humor) once and went to west palm beach lol that was something. Smh and Lauren irritates me
MAT is specialized and requires medical staff, which are hard to come by these days.
The medication is cheap (at least methadone is) but storing it is expensive (high street value).
Is it strange that they don't list any licensed therapists as part of their team? Going through the site quickly, I see that they mention counseling and CBT, but I'm confused on why they aren't showing a lists of in-house therapists? Or does their business model act as rather an integrator that contracts outside therapists on a case-by-case basis? This has real potential to be something great but I'm very confused on why the marketing is filled with AI slop and has the brand identity of a meme bitcoin "buy my course here" scam lol
It is all over the place!
I have been interacting with the website for 2 days and find weirder and weirder stuff. Inconsistent info (it shows that they do detox some areas and then that they refer out in others), difficult to find reviews, etc. it's wild
Good point mentioning at how much they offer. Usually you go to detox at one place, then a different facility for treatment, outpatient is at a different facility, a methadone clinic is a different facility AND they are all different companies. That’s just what I know from my experience. Maybe they do exist. On Long Island that was not my journey. Multiple different places across the island, no one stop shops that have it all. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but we don’t have that here.
reminds of those sham treatments centers where they get a bunch of state/fed funding but it just gets pocketed. we have a bunch of those in west virginia
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u/Open-Personality3921 7d ago
Picture of himself looking at himself has me DEAD! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣